I wasn’t kidding I was busy, I needed soem 6′ of a 2″ cove in stain grade oak, so I whacked it out the old way ( sorta).
Table saw a 45 degree bevel and kerf away the waste
Flip and raise the blade one crank and nudge the fence over a tad or three..
Now snap out the waste slivers
More sawing coulda helped, or sideways feeding, but I didn’t feel like it today.
These oldies come in REAL handy..I have a bunch in good shape.
The kerfing keeps the chips smaller, plane don’t clog like a solid stock wood would do.
Thats the living room in the bakground..LOL
This mess is better than router dust and noise to me and the wife.
And then a foam block and 150 sandy paper cleans up any fuzz..
I think it took longer to post this, than it did to make the trim!
I don’t have a shaper, nor would have the right cutters, I do have 4 or so routers and sometimes, this way is just more fun.
With the right planes, any moulding can be had in a very short order, but I learned that with complicated profiles, knowing in what order to cut them, is very important, as is reading grain.
Hope ya like it, I am just posting mostly for those who have never made thier own, or think hand tools are slow.
Keep on making dust! Or shavings as the case may be..
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Duane,
Good looking work. The kerfs are a good idea.
I have made cove moulding on the table saw by clamping a staight edge on the near side of the blade at a 30' angle or so and pass the stock over the blade in many passes taking less than an eight inch bite each pass. I have used as small as a 4" blade to get a 2" radius.
I like that low angle block plane and love that rounded plough!
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Yeah, I have done that countless times, but the true radius is hard to dial in, what with a 10" blade. I know there is some formula for the angle AND add a blade TILT to get any profile ya want, and if I had a LOT more to make and be consistant enough to scarf to each other, thats the route I woulda gone.
Last eyeball of my planes I think I have about 40..from coffin style handrail planes to an old Craftsman Copy of a Stanley 55 with the various skates and irons and fences.
I have a few from when I experimented making my own, one smoother survived quite well, others checked or warped or just plain sucked..LOL
Red Oak is NOT my favorite wood to hand plane..that there cypress you are playing with is one, as is Sassafrass and some Walnut. The grain is so important to a good experiance planing, I'd not recommend anyone have at it without good lessons in how to read grain.
I've 400 sqft of SYP paneling from the house here, I am converting to flooring, it was on the walls and cielings, some is 20" wide, handplaned one side, and rough sawn on the back, hand planed T&G from 1800's. I'll give it a light clean up planing and rip the broken tounges off and lay it down just butted, I am not ambitious enough to re T&G it.
Somebody busted hump way back when...planing it allSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Thanks for sharing Sphere. Do you have a clearer picture of the finished molding profile? Maybe it's in there and I'm blind. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07
I can get one, my camera is smarter than I am, and I can't seem to get the close ups to come out right. Either the flash makes em washed out or they are out of focus, I tried the macro setting and that was worse.
Basically it's just a large cove, about an 1.5" Radius.
I'll have some finished installed pics when I can get the rest installed, maybe then it will be more clear.
Sorry about my, camera skills.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Maybe you can see..that hunk of cove is kind of lost in the grand scheme of things.
Here is how I left it for the day, I need to go back and finish plaster patch where the IDJITS insatlled the wrong kind of lights.
The cove is under the soffit type box...Greek Revival house, just kinda matching a similar detail in the room..all the upper stuff is purely "Decromental" or " Ornative" LOL , new words for extra parts.
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It's good to get it all outta my house/shop..I don'thave 11' cielings like this place does, this is the first time I have seen it all together.
edit: I didn't forget the scribe moulding, just ran out of oak long enough.
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Edited 4/19/2008 8:30 pm ET by Sphere
Cove not lost. Good looking bookcase.
What happened to 'No cabinets, just furniture'? I guess you meant that was for the kitchen redo only.
Once upon a time, when I had a Real Estate license, anything that was nailed in was permanent and anything that was screwed in was a removable accessory and was not included in the sale unless stipulated.
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Right, about cabs. OUR kitchen is getting all "kitchen furniture" not boxes..I hung way too many to be happy with standard cabs.
Boring.
For state sales tax in PA, if it was attached to the home in ANY way, it was part of the realestate , hence, non taxable. Free standing, and I had to collect sales tax. I had a customer that wanted me to nail his coffee to the floor..LOL. I said I don't think it works that way.
That bookcase aint going anywhere, hell the shelves alone ( 3@ 1.5", 2@ 1.25" and [email protected]" ) x 5' x 12" must weigh 200lbs. Add books and we gots a heavy box. I built a bench behind the 16" high baseboard that the box sits on, and tied to side studs w/trim screws. Majorly crooked house too.
Just glad it's outta my house!Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Thanx for the explanation. I like that the backs are plain sliced veneer and not rotary cut.
Do you have a shot of the finished unit?
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No other pics yet, I need to return to finish up last coat of cieling fix. Then do a good dust-off and add the scribes to the wavy walls.
Let's don't get me started on the extremly poor quality of chinese plywood. Face veneer of .009 thick or less, veneer not fully adhered to substrate issues..man I was fit to be tied.
I gotta find a dist. here that Allied or some other good suppliers deliver to..I am NEVER going to a big box again for stain grade ply. Ever.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Hey, Foghorn Leghorn just called.
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Ha! You should talk! I seen you on scaffold..LMAO.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Hey, I resemble that remark!The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
Thank you - that is fascinating. I knew it could be done that way, but seeing it step by step certainly makes it clearer.
I'm sure the purest hand toolers would eschew the tablesaw start, but starting from a sq. billet is mighty slow going. A few "relief" cuts and using the wood's natural weakness ( along the grain) to waste away the majority, is the way for me.
I always try to use the weakness of the material to an advantage. Splitting is a heck of a lot faster ( even if less accurate) than say, ripping with a saw. Actually, split or riven wood is often more desireable for certain uses, guitar braces, and any bent wood applications, off the top of my head. The continuous grain adds remarkably to the inherent strength of the finished pc.
Besides being not commercially available, the slight tool marks of hand made moulding, adds character to this bookcase that is living in an 1840's era Greek Revival home, that is also a B&B. Becoming one of my favorite customers, I re-did thier box gutters about a yr ago, and then refurbished almost 1/3 of the windows in the home..continueing w/that process through out the coming months.
They keep wanting more, so I keep coming back..we's all happy!
Glad you found the picts. beneficial.
Now how 'bout that puppy I owe ya? (G) Lil Stinkers are happy outdoors in their Puppy Palace, and we get the house back under control..oh..almost 20lbs ea. 10 weeks today.!Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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re hand tooling - I live in a 300-year-old timberframe house - lots of evidence of pride in craftmanship. The frame is chestnut - they aren't making that any more, but it sure did split nicely! I also have some chestnut floorboards from the attic - wide, rough, and thin. Haven't decided what to do with them, but I think it's going to involve hand planing, if for no other reason than that they are so old...
Puppy? What puppy??? I already have my limit...
Pullin yer leg about the pup.
Hey, Chestnut planes beautifly..dusty as all get out, but takes little umpphhh to shave it down. Sharp, sharp, and sharp plane is the only secret. Any dullness and the summer wood or really porous parts can get raggedy.
That there stuff is like gold, treat it well.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Hey Sphere. Always enjoy your posts, just wanted to say how much I appreciate your taking the time to share.wdb
No thanks needed, I just thought some folks might see the alternative to shopping for something that can be had in a few minutes.
Glad you enjoyed it.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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About the pup - I knew that! I do wish you luck in finding homes for them - they must be getting close to the right age.
About the chestnut - I have a couple of short pieces in the kitchen, where I feast my eyes every day. They were floorboards, & they have a hand-planed half-lap edge, about 3/4 inch wide, with just the faintest little tool marks in them. They are VERY rough...
9 weeks yesterday.
That chestnut was probably pit sawn or sash sawn, the circle saw wasn't invented yet 300 yrs ago! So yeah, it would be rough..LOLSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I know about pit sawing, & assumed that was how it was done. Tell me about sash sawing...
Sash saws were frame saws, like a window sash but the blade was tensioned vertically between the upper and lower rails.
Mounted in a jamb like contraption and mostly water powered , you can often see that the sawyer's kerf or tooth strokes are VERY consistant in the crossways scratches..they don't deviate much from each other b/c the saw is held in the same relative position. Where as a pit saw can often have the tooth angle vary, by the tilt of the handle above and the "Tiller" below.
llllllllllllllll would be sash sawn( or incredibly talented pit sawyer)
///////lllll//////llllllll////// would be pit sawn ( as good as I can do with a keybord).
If there was a mill race nearby, sash sawing was sometimes preferred.
Prior to that, rived and adzed or planed was the norm.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Thanks! I love learning new stuff, particularly arcane new stuff!
The studs, joists, & rafters look to be adzed - the posts & girts a combination of adzed & planed. The summer beams have a beautiful big fat bead, about the diameter of a broom handle, with lamb's tongue stops. One upstairs room - in the very oldest part of the house, circa 1690, has double lambs' tongues.
Unfortunately, I don't have photo capability (yet), or I would post a photo thread. I love this stuff! I feel so very fortunate to have stumbled into this house, my project for the rest of my life.
One of my homes in Pa. was Circa 1710 same detail on the summer beam, def. handplaned.
This log house is odd in that one side of the saddle bag is round cedar poles for rafters, the other side is split ash 4x4's
All of the logs were hewn with broad axe/hatchett, I don't spy any adze marks.
Makes me happy to be here too, like somethig I would have done, had I been alive back then.
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One of the things I often think about is the lives of the people who lived here - my late DH died in the room where many others went before - If I were living then, I'd be sitting in the corner by the fire, carding & spinning, as I don't see well enough without glasses to sew or read. And anyway, I would have long since died from an infected puncture wound, or, at best, have had my foot or leg amputated.
I love the crafts of earlier ages, but I'm heartily glad to be living now rather than then...especially given my preference for "men's work" rather than "women's work", and general uppityness, I'd probably been hanged as a witch...8>)
Always impressed with your skills my friend.
I had to do two rooms and a stairway of coved raised panel wainscotting, and I didn't have the bits or a sequence of bits to get the correct profile on the panels.
I did the panels on the table saw by feeding them through on a bias as previously mentioned.
I know some will cringe, but that sideways feeding works REALLY well on the RAS. Just expose as much blade as needed in front of the fence, and lower a bit at a time.
With care, you can do some amazing things with a RAS.
For years I made tradional raised panels on te RAS, I just made an aux. table tilted at 15 degrees and pulled the blade horizontally through a back fence...slide the stock by the blade and the wedge from the bevel waste is on top of the blade..it don't go flying away or anything, it just kinda flops away harmlessly.
Also made a huge pile of German Drop siding ( shiplap with a cove) just by sideways feeding. A dado blade cuts mo'better and was the right radius to match what I had to meet up with.
And for all the above methods, a quick swipe with a handplane or really sharp scraper is all ya need to get the teeth tracks erased.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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NO cringe hear,The first stationary tool I bought was a RAS. I used to rip my stiles and rails on it. Ran a molding head and Dado Head sometimes pivoted flat. It was a 10" Craftsman back in the day when they were made in the US.I donated it to that vocational high school when I closed the shop in '04. Seems nowadays folks buy a SCMS with double bevel. I am thinking about getting one for a job coming up. I know there are threads on it but which one would you get?Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with woodEdited 4/15/2008 3:22 pm ET by stevent1
Edited 4/15/2008 3:36 pm ET by stevent1
I started out with a 8.5" Hitachi Slider..sold it when hard times hit. Then had a Freud 8.5 ( I just recently gave it to David Hawks) not too bad, but not a dream saw.
I have had the bosch 12" duel bevel slider for 3 yrs, and I am eyeing up a Makita 10" duel bevel slider for site work, the bosch is a mean carry even on the Ridgid MSUV stand.
I want a 10" cuz I have more blades that size from my lil Delta Sidekick non slider.
If I were you (and I know how and what your work looks like), I'd get the Makita 10'' first choice and Dewalt as second choice.
You may score yours before I do..but soon I need to start shopping in earnest.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Thanx for the info.Here is a comparison By Popular Mechanics of 12" SCMShttp://www.popularmechanics.com/home_journal/tools/1273941.html?page=1I need to run about 400' of 2X8 construction heart redwood on some raised beds that are 5 sided. If it were ACQ I would use my 7-1/4" Makita and an adjustable speed square and wing it.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
They only had 2 or 3 12" saws.
If yer after a 12" I'd still go makita, I'm not that impressed w/the Bosch. The fence is warped ( this was bought from tool-king.com reconditioned) and it seems to have excessive blade run out and the weight issue.
You can cut them 2x8's w/ a 10" easily, if you have 10'' blades, thats what I'd consider.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Duane,
The 10" is a couple hundred cheaper too.
I got 100 or so 10" blades.
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Damn....wish I had seen this thread sooner.
Needed similar just yesterday.
Ended up bringing a sample to a local mill and having them make it up for me while I was making money on another job. Picked it up and installed it this morning.
Just bustin' em brotha.....real nice work!
I've never considered that method. I once did the "send it across the table saw at an angle to the blade" route......but your method looks much quicker.
Have to file that method for future use.
Thanks!
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Simple is as simple does..or somethin like that.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Bravo Duane.
How ya coming on the endless window project?
When ya coming back to NC?
David--NOT bringing you any pork butt from GA. <g>
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Hey David,
Windows are still going , like the bunny. As is a ALOT of structural work ( we called in an Eng.) and I am figuring how to set a 27' W4012 beam..yikes and joist splice plates..4'x 12" x 1/4" w/ bolt holes pre punched.
Wife may be down sooner than I , Dean has pit passes to a race in MAY, and DW may be headed to baby sit the grand son and deliver puppy.
I dunno when I can get away, too much going on right now.
I'll give ya call soon..I talk faster than I can type ..LOLSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Tell Deano he needs an experienced tour-guide and you know just the guy!The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
LOL..if he had more tix I'D BE GOING..(G)
Looks like it's Memorial Day weekend, according to the wife..I had no clue.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Correct.
Coca-Cola World 600. A Memorial Day tradition in Charlotte since the mid-60's.
Longest race of the year and all-around good fun for all.The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
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Very nice!
I'm gonna have to see if I can find some of those antique planes. I've never seen a cove plane.
Neato.