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I did a google on septic systems and got that response. I don’t have time to read 11 million sites.
I’ve got three lake lots that I’d like to build/sell. They will require septic and well. In that area, a two bedroom, one bath house would require 240 linial of field. I’d love to cut that down using an active system of some kind.
Anyone ever use a modern septic system that works? Any good websites that I could check out?
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The guy I routinely recommend is now using almost solely infiltrator systems. Cuts the length of drain field by a third. He's installing septic considerably cheaper than the stone systems of a few yrs ago.
They work fine.
PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
As Tom said infiltraters are great.
The best in my opinion is the simplest one
No moving parts, works on gravity alone
Best way to maintain it is to take a dump in it.
Do you look to the government for an entitlement, or to GOD for empowerment. BDW
The best in my opinion is the simplest one
No moving parts, works on gravity alone
Best way to maintain it is to take a dump in it.
Are you speaking of the one I mentioned there Bill?
Tim
My only problem with your solution was keeping the snakes out. Big ole black snake sticking his head out the hole definately gets your attention!
That big ole black snak never hurt nobody. <G>
Tim
"That big ole black snak never hurt nobody."
True, but my daughter (5 at the time) still didn't want to go back in there for a couple of weeks - LOL!
True, but my daughter (5 at the time) still didn't want to go back in there for a couple of weeks - LOL!
Ive got a boy right now 11 would have a hissy if that happened . he runs from waspers big time .
Tim
Are you refering to an out house?
That would be pretty simple.Do you look to the government for an entitlement, or to GOD for empowerment. BDW
Yes , lol. Seemed funny to me you described one.
Tim
One of the peat filter systems may (depends on your state and local regs) reduce the area required for the drainfield by upto one-half. Both seem to work fine, and require less maintenance than many of the other "alternative systems" (not as little as a septic tank and infiltrator, of course).
Here are links:
http://www.bnm-us.com/puraflo.html
http://www.abacom.com/~cetac/fiches_3/F3-08-96a.html
I've been offered a choice for a system to be put in:
either four lines 50' long, 9' o.c. This is your typical gravel installation
or: three lines 60' long using a pipe wrapped in a net with something like packing peanuts replacing the gravel. One less trench to dig. The installer will even take $100.00 less for this installation.
The Elgin system can reduce size iof the field by about a third. It is what I'd use for your requirements
http://www.indrain.com/designguide.html
http://www.epa.gov/NE/assistance/ceitts/wastewater/techs/eljen.html
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Here are a couple things you can consider to reduce the size of the drain field. If you want to use a conventional septic tank, install a sand filter between it and the drain field - you can evaluate whether it's more cost effective to use a single-pass or recirculating system depending on how much each will reduce the size of the drain field.
Another choice would be to use an aerobic treatment unit (ATU) instead of a conventional septic tank. An air injection system produces much cleaner effluent so the drain field size is greatly reduced.
ATU info - http://www.multiflo.com/multiflo.asp
Sand filter info - http://www.orenco.com/ots/ots_index.asp
Paul
Do you have any idea of the cost of the ATU units?
Don't know what the current pricing is, but you can contact our Wisconsin distributor at(608) 754-6472. They're located in Janesville, WI.
If your lots are side by side, consider one field for all three. Fellow developing four lots across from me at the lake installed one large field. Each house has it's own appropriate sized tank but all pump into the same field.
Ed
Had the infiltrator system on my last House. Built in 93 & still going strong. But its not cheap, back then if I recall each panel was close to $60. each, total system in 1993 $ was $8K which included 2 tanks, pump to up hill field and 3 infiltrator runs 60'
Presby system by Presby Plastics. Not sure if it's available in your area, they're in NH. It's almost all I use lately, although some tough ones get the EcoFlo Biofilter.
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No moving parts, works on gravity alone
AMEN, and Blessed Easter.
I want to thank everyone that has contibuted and wish everyone a Happy Easter. I'll be doing the research on those links and contacting the different companies for more info.
The locality that I want to build in has not had a very good history of welcoming "newfangled" systems. The lake is located in farm county and I'm not part of the good ole boy network. It will be a challenge.
My plan revolves around asking to get three 2 br homes built on the three lots. I'm 100% sure that I'll be rejected. As a compromise, I'll try to get three one bedroom cottages. I'm still sure I'll be rejected.
My second compromise will be to put two 3br homes on two lots and use the third lot for the septic areas. I'm sure I'll be rejected.
I'll then propose two 2 br home and that is my goal.
If they balk and demand too much "set aside" area because the technology is unproved in their county (of course it's unproved...they won't let anyone do it), then I'll propose to build only one lot and use only 1/2 of the other lot for the septic. I'll then escrow the other lot and a half and leave it vacant in case the technology doesn't work. I'll offer to leave it raw for five years or so.
I don't know if any of this will work, but it's worth a shot. Lake lots are expensive!
blue
Does it work? Can I get it? How much does it cost? If Yes Yes Yes then I think it's time to think positive and get ready for plan A.
Where are they? what state.
I'm going to visit my dad in Va in 2 weeks and have a similar . He has a lot across from him he want's to build on but it failed it's perk test. So I want to get into the details when I get back.
Keep what you find out handy for me if you would.
Let's see if I can remember Hmmm cut off saw table face remove blade guard ehhhemm am I close? Was blade brake part of that to?
Clay, I would never buy a saw with a blade brake. How would I do my intermittent sanding, chiseling and shaping with the edge of the saw if it kept stopping?
blue
If it's a lake in my area I can direct you to a septic guy who knows what'll work, starting from the least expensive (infiltrator). Generally the larger issue in Va is distance from water. 200' required from a stream. Probably the same for a lake. Every part of the system. And of course a neighbor's well can screw you too.
If it's only a soil problem, raised leach fields are acceptable. Then it's a matter of finding the right guy who knows how to do one.
A trap that the unwary often fall into is hiring a private soils co. That's what the Health Dept. routinely recommends. Then when you get your building permit you go to the Health Dept. to get the actual septic permit. The problem with the private co. is that if it's close, they have no reason to approve. Puts them at risk. You have to pay the Health Dept. anyhow, so there's little point in not going there first. All it requires is an application (not even approved) for building permit. Then you get the official word, and only pay once. Backhoe and operator required on site for the inspection. This is not something the Health Dept. will tell you about.
Good luck.PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
Hi, thanks for the info. I know he had someone do a 3 month monitor but it failed. I don't know the specifics but I was going to hunt around when I got there. It's not fresh water ? It's like one street back( water front lot,street,lot, then his house lot, street then subject lot). On the lower Potomac, Louisetta is the ? little enclave.
I appreciate your input, I need to get a little more focussed on that issue. It's been 9-11 since last visit and it's taking some to get my xxx together to take a month off.
Am I remembering right - that you're in the UP? If all else fails, you may be able to contact someone on the state level and get approval to install new technology on an experimental basis. The output would need to be monitored to prove how much better it works than conventional. Might even be able to work with a state university department that's collecting data on new septic technologies for future approval. The new ATU's and sand filters produce MUCH cleaner output than current conventional technologies so you need to get some clean water advocates helping you convince the locals that this is the way to go.Paul
I dont have pics yet but the best system Ive ever used for quick flushes on the lest amount of water used was an out house . This seems to be the cheapest system out there depending on building plans of course. For a one holer its pretty cheap though and Ill say 10plus for efficiency!
Tim
Blue - (from experience) stay away from the composting toilets. I tried that route once, never again...