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   Piffin | Mar 20, 2003 12:21am | #1

   You'll hear more, I'm sure, but if you also use the search button, you'll find that nobody here has a bad word to say about it. It's one of the few things I've found heree that we all agree on.

   Now, just watch - some joker will call me on it....

   .

   Excellence is its own reward!

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   FrankB89 | Mar 20, 2003 03:03am | #3

   "...some joker will call me on it..."

   Well, not this time!  Piffin got it right for once!  (Now THAT'S being a joker).  :>)

   Seriously, though, Penofin gets a thumbs up from my corner.  Try to match the tone with the wood you're using...for example, I always use Red Cedar Marine grade on WRC here on the coast. 

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   jimblodgett | Mar 20, 2003 05:48am | #4

   I've used a few gallons of various Penofin blue label products on Western Red Cedar and Redwood.  I like it a lot.  The red label is supposed to be even better, but I haven't tried that yet.

   The one serious criticism is that it's toxic.  Real toxic.

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   FrankB89 | Mar 20, 2003 06:03am | #5

   Ironically, I think its toxicity is what makes it worth using...and my understanding is the toxins come from the rosewood oil base.

    

   Edited 3/19/2003 11:04:22 PM ET by Notchman

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   ProDek | Mar 20, 2003 07:01am | #7

   Well here is the red label in action, and Jim is right, it really is some smelly stuff. I mean put on the respirator kind of strong. It is the best product for cleaning and re-application though.

   Another similar but less expensive product is "Superdeck" stain created by some ex employees of Penofin.I have been using it for years and am very happy with it.

   Bob

   "Rather be a hammer than a nail"

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   Piffin | Mar 20, 2003 07:08am | #8

   Never heard of the superdeck. Where do you buy it? Is it more of a local brand out west?

   Is that Ipe' you're putting it on?.

   Excellence is its own reward!

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   ProDek | Mar 20, 2003 07:15am | #9

   I buy it here in Seattle Piffin, here is a link to their website

   http://www.superdeck.com/index19.htm

   It runs about $90. for five gallons .

   In the picture we are putting the red label on IPEBob

   "Rather be a hammer than a nail"

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   poorsh | Mar 20, 2003 07:24am | #10

   Hi

   I have dealt with chemicals for many years and suggest you get a Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) with the product.  Reading and understanding them will guide you. If you have questions do not hesitate to phone the manufacturer. They do not want a call from "Dewey Screwem & Howe" legal firm.

   Mac

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   ProDek | Mar 20, 2003 07:48am | #11

   Oh I know those guys. I saw their firm looming over Harvard square. The name of the firm  is "Dewey Cheetham & Howe.

   As for the MSDS thing, I don't think any manufacturer of stain products spells out the dangers of combustion of their products.

   If you leave a terrycloth rag in a pile after back wiping the applied stain, it will ignite.

   I have seen it happen.

   My nephew stained a deck and laid his rags on a plastic wheel barrow to dry overnight. He got a call from the homeowner that the stain caught fire melted the wheelbarrow and the tire popped, which woke them up to a burning deck.

   Seems to me there should be danger warnings all over each can of stain.Bob

   "Rather be a hammer than a nail"

   
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   poorsh | Mar 20, 2003 08:18am | #13

   Hi

   Understand where you are coming from i.e spontaneous combustion.  Unfortunately my info GURU on these topics left on holidays and will be back at the end of March. I will have to defer until then. I still go back to the MSDS to understand what  is in the product. We do dangerous goods shipment by air and this is a necessary requirement for classification

   Cheers

   Mac

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   BillHartmann | Mar 20, 2003 04:53pm | #14

   I have no idea of what the law requires for the MSDS, but all of them that I have seen only cover the individual ingrediants that are in the product. Not the completed product.

   I have never used any one of those, but the cans of almost all of the oil finishes that I have used have had warning on the cans of spontaneous combustion.

   I looked on the web sites and it looks like Super Deck has it listed all over the place.

   On Penofin I only saw it on tips for interior stains.

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   ProDek | Mar 20, 2003 06:14pm | #15

   On "Superdeck" the front says DANGER! Harmful or fatal if swallowed.Combustable see other cautions on side and back panel.

   On the side in a little blue square with white lettering that I can't see without my 150 power glasses it says:

    DANGER! Avoid spontaneous combustion: Superdeck contains drying oils (LINSEED OIL & TUNG OIL) Rags, steel wool, roller covers, or any waste soaked with superdeck may spontaneously catch fire if improperly discarded. Immediately after each use, place rags, steel wool, roller covers, or any other waste in a sealed water-filled metal container.

   In my opinion it should be on a bright red diamond shaped label on the lid of the can.

   It seems there is more concern with people drinking this stuff than with the risk of fire hazards by the size of the print they use in their warnings. 

   Be safe out there folks!

                                          Bob

   "Rather be a hammer than a nail"

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   jimblodgett | Mar 20, 2003 06:31pm | #16

   Hey Pro-Dek...I was wondering...that is to say...well...why do you call it "Harvard Square" when the building front is round?  Is that one of those East coast things?

   The same people who make Superdeck, I think it might be "Duckback", or something like that, are the people who make that great line of stains for fiber cement siding that makes them look like wood.

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   ProDek | Mar 20, 2003 06:47pm | #17

   LOL Jim- I think it is an East coast thing. If you look close you will see a camera in that window. The Cop on the corner said it is like a traffic cam so you can see if there's a spot to "pauk ya cawr in Haavaad" ...............:-) Bob

   "Rather be a hammer than a nail"

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   Bruce | Mar 20, 2003 06:51am | #6

   Call me the joker, Piffin. 

   My only comment would be that, given the intensity of the sun at 7,000', and our 40 degree plus daily temperature swings, Penofin on a deck seems to do no better than anything else I have tried.  One season leaves a deck looking as if it had no treatment in five years or more.Formerly BEMW at The High Desert Group LLC

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   IMERC | Mar 20, 2003 07:59am | #12

   I'll call... and raise you......

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   BarryE | Mar 20, 2003 01:31am | #2

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   other than that it's a good finish as far deck sealers go. Needs continuing maintainance like all the rest.

   What are you expecting from the finish?

   Make sure you 2 coat the first time.

   Barry E

   
   

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   Edited 3/19/2003 6:38:05 PM ET by Barry E