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   davidmeiland | Jan 15, 2007 03:56am | #1

   The brand I can get here are Mission Rubber. The part you want is a K200. They have a website.

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   Jemcon | Jan 15, 2007 04:06am | #2

   I don't see them listed for copper on there site either. I going to my plumbing supply house tomorrow. I see what they have. 

    

    

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   davidmeiland | Jan 15, 2007 04:47am | #3

   http://missionrubber.com/Products/BandSealCouplings.php#K

   Go about 1/3 of the way down the page to "For Joining From 2" Copper" and part K200 is there. There is a separate section of repair couplings if that's what you need.

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   Jemcon | Jan 15, 2007 04:57am | #4

   Thanks, I waslooking in the wrong place. I did'nt look under specialty couplings. 

    

    

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   plumbbill | Jan 15, 2007 05:43am | #5

   Fernco¯, Mission¯, & Plumbquick¯ all make CTS ( copper tube size).

   Mission almost 100% of the time will have the solid SS shield around the rubber, Fernco & plumbquick have both shielded & non shielded.

   If the connection is within the building footprint then you need to make sure it has the sheild all the way around the rubber.

   “How many observe Christ’s birthday! How few, his precepts! O! ‘tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments.” —Benjamin Franklin

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   davidmeiland | Jan 15, 2007 06:14am | #6

   What's the reasoning behind that?

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   plumbbill | Jan 15, 2007 07:19am | #8

   Can I give the "dad" answer?

    

   Because I said so........

   Reasoning IIRC is protection of the rubber coupling, I'm not sure where it is exactly in the code, but I can find out this week at the IAPMO meeting.“How many observe Christ’s birthday! How few, his precepts! O! ‘tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments.” —Benjamin Franklin

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   Jemcon | Jan 15, 2007 06:58am | #7

   When you say with in the building footprint are saying anywhere in the building? Or is that if it's concealed in a wall or concrete floor? I'm guessing in the concrete floor. 

    

    

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   plumbbill | Jan 15, 2007 07:22am | #9

   According to my inspectors who use the UPC, it's anywhere within the building lines.

   I know I have gotten tagged trying to sneak one in, in the past.

   As I told Dave I can't remeber where it is ine the code , but I can get the info this week.“How many observe Christ’s birthday! How few, his precepts! O! ‘tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments.” —Benjamin Franklin

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   davidmeiland | Jan 15, 2007 09:01am | #10

   I'm guessing it has to do with protection during construction--it'd be pretty easy to drive a nail or screw into a rubber coupling inside a wall without the steel wrap.

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   Jemcon | Jan 15, 2007 03:35pm | #11

   Ok. So if it's code why do they even make ferncos with no steel banding? I know if you are burying a fernco it need to be steel banded. 

    

    

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   plumbbill | Jan 15, 2007 04:12pm | #12

   They are legal outside of the building line.

   And those flexible rubber fittings made by plumbquick that they sell at HD are not legal either.“How many observe Christ’s birthday! How few, his precepts! O! ‘tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments.” —Benjamin Franklin

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   Jemcon | Jan 15, 2007 10:52pm | #13

   Thanks David and Bill. I went to the plumbing supply house today and got what I needed.

   So you can only use those outside of the building but not under ground. I guess there are very few places to actually use them. Maybe a downspout or something. 

    

    

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   Jemcon | Jan 19, 2007 05:40am | #14

   Bill

   I have a copy of the 2006 IPC plumbing code book and can't find where the Fernco is illegal. In section 707, Prohibited Joints, I don't see fernco Flexible type joints listed. Any help would be appreciated. I believe what you are saying I'm just trying to find it

   Do most people use IPC or UPC code books? Or is it area specific?  

    

    

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   plumbbill | Jan 19, 2007 08:41am | #15

   Makes two of us.

   I know I can't use an unshielded coupling, but I couldn't find anything in the UPC either.

   My Iapmo meeting got canceled cause of weather.

   But I do have an inspection with the NW prez of IAPMO on monday I'll pick the Anal retentive--- uh er I mean really thorough inspector brain then.“How many observe Christ’s birthday! How few, his precepts! O! ‘tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments.” —Benjamin Franklin