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Once, when trying to explain the theory behind something, an exasperated sub grumbled at me “Whodoya think you are Jesus F***in Christ?” I can’t imagine what he would have said if I’d laid some of the stuff on him that gets discussed around here. Assuming of course that I could do it any sort of justice.
Equally humbled at times.
Hey Joe. . . what’s lol
-Patrick
Prescriptive codes don't address the connection at less common angles, so base the connection off more typical ones using bolts, structural screws, blocking, and steel tension ties.
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Once, when trying to explain the theory behind something, an exasperated sub grumbled at me "Whodoya think you are Jesus F***in Christ?" I can't imagine what he would have said if I'd laid some of the stuff on him that gets discussed around here. Assuming of course that I could do it any sort of justice.
Equally humbled at times.
Hey Joe. . . what's lol
-Patrick
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Patrick, LOL is laugh out loud. Took me a bit, as I was in the OSB, PVC, EMT, Low-E mode myself.
Pete, if you read this, I believe Martha S. is doing the Skyscraper from Household Items feature Saturday at 10am. Mauve with Ecru trim.
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A few months ago, I was walking a house to give the builder a cost for finish carpentry, when a "framer" (in quotes because I had to do my work after this guy) was bitchin' more than he was framin'. Apparently, he had the most difficult task of infilling above a door header with a 4 x 12. As he was on the ladder, trying to manuever his air nailer with the hose stuck under one leg of the ladder, he spouted off "I don't know why I have to do this, I ain't no G*ddamned surgeon!" Of course, I couldn't let this one go by, so I said, "and apparently, you're not a f***in' framer either, if you can't infill a header!"
The incident nearly precipitated into a floor joist tester, and I probably would have had the s**t kicked out of me, but sometimes I just can't keep my mouth from saying what I'm only supposed to think in my brain!
If that guy could only see what goes on within the confines of this forum, he'd be sayin' "whaaaa..." with a little curl of drool drippin' off the corner of his mouth opposite the one with a cigarette butt stuck to it.
*Gentelmen; Since the subject of what kind of people are responding to this discusion board has been brought up, I myself have wondered how many computer geeks, mad scientists, mother earth news drop outs, tree huggers and envirowackos areposting on this forum. I myself also wearcarpenter correct clothing with a cloth hammer loop on every pair of work overalls and pocketsin numbers and sizes to accomadate the constanttransport and storage of more tools than mostweekend warriors keep in thier toolboxes. I must admit I have met a couple of pretty fair carpenters that dont wear the most comfortable clothing ever made, but that I have a hard time trusting anyone that dosent wear bibs or have a beard. Those that dont use starret tools are far too common plying some sort of variation of the buiding trade. The hardest workers where I live dont speak very good english but will outworkmost two of the locals for any semblance of a decent wage. We pay everyone according to ability and production and dont take advantage of ethnicdifferences . I see very few that can accomplish any thing more than a simple rectangle these days and take my hat off to Joe Fusco, the man that knows where to find the answers. Thanks again Joe for breakingmy mental block on figureing the eliptical hips for the groin cieling. The cieling is ready to sheetrock as soon as the wireing and insulation is complete and realy turned out great. There was some confusion on the size of the room however,it was actually 30 feet long and 16 feet wide,the radial vault ran the long way with the three eliptical vaults running perpendicular to it.The rise from the collumns was 6 feet and 5 inchesand all of the vaults peak out at the same elevation. Will be able to have pics before long . The oval shaped dome came out real cool alsokind of looks like a turtle shell only its a little bit more symetrical, it is ready for lathe and the brick. The plaster man is a bit put off because I built the groin out of wood and am goingto drywall it instead of having it plastered. Just rambling a bit after a hard week of workblessings to all that will recieve them and good night.brisketbean
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This forum is an excellant example of the fact that the people with the most upstairs on a job are the carpenters.
As a bit of an aside don't you hate being called a framer. I mean, I frame, but after 17 years I know I have more self-respect than that.
Bean post your pics, I would love to see them.
A belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. May this year bring you no black thumbs and all of your fingers at the end.
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Just stumbled into your chat shack tonight. Loved reading this thread. I make my living as an arborist. Not a tree trimmer. All we would have to do is substitute some pronouns here and there and we would be talking about the same folks in a different trade. We have out share of pudding heads in my trade.
Keep up the Pride and Craftsmanship that our forebearers had!
Tom
Full time arborist and part time wood butcher
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"I myself have wondered how many computer geeks, mad scientists, mother earth news
drop outs, tree huggers and envirowackos are posting on this forum. I myself also wear carpenter correct clothing with a cloth hammer in numbers and sizes to accomadate the constant loop on every pair of work overalls and pockets transport and storage of more tools than most weekend warriors keep in thier toolboxes. "
"I must admit I have met a couple of pretty fair carpenters that dont wear the most comfortable clothing ever made, but that I have a hard time trusting anyone that dosent wear bibs or have a beard. "
I plead guilty to all the above. I do wear bib overalls, although not as much as my wife. I used to love Mother Earth News, many of our friends are ex-science teachers and even some of my undershirts have pockets. I've been called a rennasiance man, and have a IQ of 143 and was a member of Mensa. I'm an architect and general contractor and a bit of an artist and an inventor and keep a sketch book, do my own computer work, and have been active in environmental groups. My pockets are usually full of the tools I use, which aren't carpentry tools now. At any time they may include a 1/8"/1/4" scale tape measure, a couple mechanical pencils and pens, laser pointer, combination screwdriver, pocket daytimer binder, pepper-spray pen, measuring tape, and a calculator watch with database.
And yes, I do have a beard and glasses and carry a contractors briefcase with lots of pockets for tools including a speech recording 1" tape, and a 100' tape, flashlight and electrical tester.
*At the risk of writing a long diatribe/bio that would get archived in 3 weeks does anyone know how to create a folder named ....Oh, I don,t know.....something like "INTRODUCTIONS" that maybe wouldn't get archived? Will Sean read this? Can someone E-mail him with this idea? My E-mail won't talk to his.-Rob
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Gary,
Exactly what numbers and sizes do cloth hammers come in? Unfortunately my B.S. degree and 131 I.Q. do not allow me to grasp such lofty concepts. Please speak in our Densa terms!
*Wow! so....What's the proper way to vent an attic?
*Darrell, When you say "properly", do you mean technically, ethically,architecturally, or legally?
*nothing, it was a joke referring to another thread.
*Darrell, As a rather new poster to this site I am still trying to differentiate between the mad scientists,the pursuers of relevant knowledge and the jokesters. Be patient, I will soon learn.
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Oh is this a hoot. After spending the day listaning to a arch tell me that what is on the print will work and that his firm double checks all prints and his error time is almost none and that they spent hours checking and I must have mis read the print and he would stop by and show me how to do so......ect......ect.....ect I calmly asked how a side by side washer and dryer would fit in a space only 32 inches across?????
Now before you guy's jump to your keyboards and roast my behind I like arch and I have been know to say a few nice things about P/E's.But after reading a few posting here i wonder how these guy's ever get anything done. My wife things that I am a little over the edge about building things (always have time to check out something new) Who else would drive miles out of his way to see a storm damaged building.Do any of these guy's ever build anything? (Enjoyed the one about Martha's sky scraper)
*I think Playschool makes them. Brightly colored so you don't lose them. OSHA approved.
*OK Gary, so what's the use for the pepper-spray pen?You onto something new? Is it replacing the Tobascoshaker in many a toolbox? Tell us more...
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Dann, There are mouth breathers in all walks of life. I personally have known Generals and Professors, not to mention a lot of people who work with the tools. I deal with them differently. I don't use their language, and I ask a lot of questions. The first guy to lose his temper loses, and maybe learns a lesson. Many are beyond hope. If they can't immediately exploit it, eat it, drink it, or have sex with it, they're not interested. They are beyond help, they are ineducable. Distance yourself from them. Don't lower yourself to their level in any area of behavior. This is my friendly and well intentioned piece of advice, --Don't use or repeat their language!!-- It makes you like them, which you obviously are not.
Regards,
Buck
*Gary W. , I just read your list of credentials. Very impressive. Does your S*** stink or are you just slumming with us ignorant types here? Keep a sensce of humor,Stephen
*rob et al.y'all can put your own introductiosn into your user profile, which anyone can read just by clicking on your name (then they see whateve personal info you've made available, plus the last few messages you've posted). check mine out for an example of what i mean, at http://www.taunton.com/cgi-bin/WebX?224@@[email protected].
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Hi Dann,
>with a little curl of drool drippin' off the corner >of his mouth opposite the one with a cigarette butt >stuck to it.
Upon reading this I had to send along a bit a North Carolina buddy told me last week:
How can you tell if a South Carolina carpenter is well balanced?(I'm from S C)
The drool falls out of both sides of his/her mouth equally.
Good health, Weogo
*It just dawned on me what the difference there is between cowboy boots and carpenter boots. The bull skotta is on the inside. L.S.
*Pete, As a B.S. in biology I gave up the lab coat for jeans and dirt and BS. Buck, I always heard it as what ever they can't eat or f---, they piss on, but my grandfather might have been wrong. I think raising the bar won't make a huge difference, I think that trying is worthy. I will admit that having said that, the bar can get jacked sky high here by people not even trying to make a living at this. I bought one of those electronic levels when I was doing residential work and an f---in' plumber ran to the home owner and said my walls around a shower were not plumb. The electronic level showed one of the walls was perfect and the other was 89.9 with 90.0 being perfect. He was so good that he did not understand that his shower stall may have had some bow in it, and that setting it properly would eliminate this. Are there prima donna a--holes everywhere or are the building industries just blessed?I heard some one on the radio talking about Union Carpenters and how they were only allowed to have approved tools because any more might make them more productive and make incumbant upon the rest to get them. This was the radio and anyone can say anything so no flames, please.
*It just dawned on me what the difference there is between cowboy boots and carpenter boots. The bull skotta is on the inside. L.S.
*I'm not so conceited as to think it doesn't think.Actually I prefer conversing with working people rather than architects. Am more interested in craft and technology than golf handicaps, pressed slacks, family aristocracy, and fancy cars. Just as well as I can't afford them anyway. Not a fashionable "exterior decorator", probably should've been an engineer, but flunked calculus a few times and left college early to ride rail and see the world. But I did get listed in the 13th edition of Who's Who in California.Online conversations with carpenters is safer than starting a real fight in a bar or on a jobsite anyway. Got the police report to prove it.
*Self defence from transients and dogs. They're rather restrictive in California about carrying firearms. I sometime measure abandoned buildings top to bottom. From crawlspace thru attic and roof. Great way to learn about old buildings.When measuring jobsites I'll often also have overalls, dustmask, hardhat, a can of soda in warm weather and a camera with flash and date stamp. Have used a palmcorder video camera too, but it isn't working right now, and is a little too bulky. If its an occupied building, I save the dusty places for last, and often get pretty dirty. Often miss the next day's work because of sinus headache and fatigue, but I'm learning methods to counteract that.
*How do I do this? No one else seems to have done this either.
*Click "message center" at bottom of page. Maybe its "your preferences" - which has some cool options too. (Was this lost in the last outage?)
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Alright guys! I'm on to you all now. None of you are really carpenters at all. You're scientists in cognito. It all finally hit me while reading your posts under "pressure plans". Although, speculation had brewed within me throughout my history on this site.
My god! Who else would know all this technical mumbo jumbo? I can see you all now, building homes in your lab coats with the hammer hoop on the side. I can't wait for the book to come out from one of you "How To Build A 52 Story Skyscraper From Household Objects".
I am humbled in your presence. I am not worthy. I suppose it's time for me to go book shopping.
Meekly enjoying it all,
Pete Draganic
*I get the reverse comments about my engineering work. "Why are you trying to be an electrican / plumber / mechanic?" I think that people with practical skills make better engineers and that not enough engineers know which end of the screwdriver to hold. Likewise, tradespeople are more capable if they have a sense of design and can do some calculations.Would you hire an architect would couldn't tell a sheet of OSB from 5/8 CDX? Don't you want your plumber to be able to tell you the difference in operating costs between two heating systems?Of course this forum attracts the techno-dweeb gearhead geeks. Someone swinging a hammer just for beer money is probably not going to log on at 1 am to debate whether hot or cold water freezes faster. -David