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Finish, Brad nail holding power

BillHartmann | Posted in General Discussion on December 7, 2007 07:41am

I am getting ready to run a lot of trim. Mostly casing for 6 doors. but also a jamb for a passage way, a split jamb door, some baseboard, and shoe.

This is about 4 times the amount of time that I have installed at anyone time.

So I go the DeWalt compressor and gun kit.

It has a #18 brad (5/8 – 1 1/4″) nailer.

And a #16 finish nailer (1 1/2 – 2 1/2).

The casing is common 2 1/4″ colonial and 3″ baseboard with 1/2 x 3/4″ shoe.

I got 2″ finish nails for the casing into the studs and for the baseboard. I figure that gives me at least 3/4″ into the stud.

And 1″ brads for the shoe and the casing edge into the jambs.

That sounds like enough holding power to me. But never using a nailer before I am not sure.

I could get some 1 1/4″ finish for the casing into the jamb, but leary of blowing out the edge.

If there any place that need pulling in then adding a couple of hand driven nails.

And probably a couple into the split jamb door.

Also with the nailer is there anyway to put something up temporary so taht it can easy be adjusted. In the past I have use hand drive and just put the nail in about half way.

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    IMERC | Dec 07, 2007 07:51pm | #1

    how thick are yur materials yur nailing up....

     

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      BillHartmann | Dec 07, 2007 08:09pm | #2

      The base is 3/8"The casing if 5/8 for the part that gets nailed into the stud. And about 5/16 for the part that is nailed into the jamp.
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        IMERC | Dec 07, 2007 08:18pm | #3

        3/4" for the 5/16....

        2" for the 5/8...

        1-1/2" for the 3/8... 1-3/4 to 2 is more better..

        3/4" for the shoe..

        all nails / brads / pins to be placed slightly off of perpendicular...

        temp nail with 5/8 placed few and far between... 

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          BillHartmann | Dec 07, 2007 08:30pm | #4

          Thanks.It looks like I can get by with just the 1" and 2". But I will also pickup some 5/8" brads for tacking..
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          A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

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            IMERC | Dec 07, 2007 08:34pm | #5

            that slightly off of perpendicular is random directional as in up - down - left - right and a random mix there of...

            on the base you should be able to hit the base plate but if ya think hitting a stud is in question counter angle two nais near each other.. 

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            BillHartmann | Dec 07, 2007 08:43pm | #6

            A Tile floor has been added. In the bathroom there is some tile that comes down about 2 1/4" from the tile. So I will have to rip some of the BB down to fit.So I may or may not get into the plate.The place is a missmash. It had a fire and a repo (don't know the order) and it was being rehab, but the owner/rehabber got a job out of town and is moving..
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            IMERC | Dec 07, 2007 08:48pm | #7

            got it..

            clinch nailing it is at approx 12" centers...

            16 is pushing it...

            while yur at it think of nails as a "T" profile... cross grain them when ever ya can...

            estimate a 50% gain in how many nails you'll use... 

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          4. Snort | Dec 07, 2007 10:38pm | #8

            Bill, we temporarily tack stuff up with a nail shot through the fat end of a cedar shim. When you're ready to remove the piece, tug the shim, the nail stays put with head about 3/8" proud. Then use the shim to cushion the trim from your pulling hammer.This method is not always viewed as temporary, we've had painters caulk and paint the shims in<G> Winterlude, Winterlude, my little daisy,

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          5. DonCanDo | Dec 07, 2007 11:39pm | #9

            What's the reason for slightly off perpendicular?

            I usually shoot finish nails based on the easiest way to hold the gun.  If I get too close to the inside edge of the casing, there's a risk of splitting.  Otherwise, I haven't had any problems.

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            jagwah | Dec 07, 2007 11:51pm | #10

            Use the 2 1/2" for trim in the bathroom. Anything shorter won't reach the copper or pex in the walls. 8) 

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            IMERC | Dec 07, 2007 11:56pm | #12

            awwwwwwwwww paaaaaleeeeeezzzzzeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            you know yur suppose to use that Bostich trim nailer that punches 3 inchers... 

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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            IMERC | Dec 07, 2007 11:54pm | #11

            since the nails crush their way in splitting is limited if yur using the right sized nail...

            the little bit of angle tends to hold the piece yur nailing on better... 

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

          9. DonCanDo | Dec 08, 2007 12:03am | #13

            the little bit of angle tends to hold the piece yur nailing on better...

            Did you hear me smack my forehead as I said, "oh, of course!".

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