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   woodguy99 | Jan 09, 2005 06:41pm | #1

   That would be...um...interesting?

   While it might work, do you have a screw gun and sheetrock screws, or hand nails that you could use instead? 

    

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   Gunner | Jan 09, 2005 07:03pm | #2

   Try hand nailing with the proper nails.

   Who Dares Wins.

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   frenchy | Jan 09, 2005 07:38pm | #3

   I understand your thought process, It's simpler to hold something together with one hand and pull the trigger on the nail gun with the other.  Especially if you are workng alone..

     I don't think a 16 gauge nail is going to do a satisfactory job over the long haul but I'd do it to get everything in place and steady  and follow up with either hand nailing or sheetrock screws.. 

     (now watch the purists chew me out for even suggesting sheet rock screws)

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   Sphere | Jan 09, 2005 07:41pm | #4

   Just edit out that and callem "deck screws" and the world will be in harmony. 

   Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

   Watch out for the edges, it's really fast out there...

    

    

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   dinothecarpenter | Jan 09, 2005 07:47pm | #5

   Why not? 

    to hold in place my non-load bearing framing intill the pl-400 dries.

   Double the amount of nails and you be fine. you don't need the glue.

   Now...i'm in trouble.

   
   

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   Edited 1/9/2005 11:49 am ET by YCFriend

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   dIrishInMe | Jan 09, 2005 08:33pm | #7

   Another "bless my hack thread"? :-)

   Leme see - if I can get someone to agree with me then it will make it OK... 

   I think if you add some duct tape and some stratigically placed coat hangers the studs probably won't break free when you start attaching your wall covering... and when someone follows up behind you they will be provided a good smile... Yea - I'd say go ahead!  Hey - super glue will stick to anything... ;-)  

   Matt

   Edited 1/9/2005 7:07 pm ET by DIRISHINME

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   dinothecarpenter | Jan 09, 2005 09:08pm | #8

   Yea - I'd say go ahead! 

   Thanks Matt. Wait for blue now.

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   dieselpig | Jan 09, 2005 08:04pm | #6

   You can do anything you want....... doesn't make it right.   I guess it would work with the PL400, but that's probably gonna cost more than renting a dang gun for a few days, isn't it?  Do not take YC's advice and skip the PL if you're gonna use that finish nailer..... when those studs dry out and start to twist and bow in 3 months you'll be in a world of hurt.  And if you do end up using the finish nailer (and I am in no way recommending that you do) at least toe-nail as opposed to nailing into the endgrain.

   Right tool for the job goes an awful long way.  Worst case scenario, buy one on Ebay and then resell when you're done.... prolly end up costing you the price of shipping one way by the time you're done.  Another benefit of the framing nailer is that often times the studs have a slight twist to 'em..  With a framing nail you have the holding power to nail one end square to the plate and then force the other end square to the other plate..... and make it stay there.  Not gonna be able to pull that off with a finish nailer and some glue..... unless you plan on staying there until the glue dries.

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   dinothecarpenter | Jan 09, 2005 09:14pm | #9

   Dieselpig, This is serious now. Let's say we don't have a framing gun. can we use L brackets and small screws instead nails? Something similar to tyko?

   Edited 1/9/2005 1:15 pm ET by YCFriend

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   dieselpig | Jan 09, 2005 09:18pm | #10

   I really don't think it's all that serious YC, and I'm really not looking for an argument.  He asked for advice.... I gave my best.  I could push all my tools to work in a wheelbarrow and still frame a house..... doesn't make it the right thing to do.  That's all.  Sure, there's 100 ways to skin a cat.... some better 'n others.

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   dinothecarpenter | Jan 09, 2005 09:26pm | #11

   Now...i'm in trouble.

   I' knew that. I ask for it ....and I got it.

   Matt is going overboard. Duct tape?  

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   dieselpig | Jan 09, 2005 09:37pm | #12

   Now, duct tape..... that's totally different.  I give that my holiest of blessings.  ;)

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   Framer | Jan 09, 2005 09:43pm | #13

   I've been using crazy glue and duct tape lately especially on the 2x8 16' wall I built..............;-)Joe Carola

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   dinothecarpenter | Jan 09, 2005 09:49pm | #14

   Look's like Matt is not the only one around here. Crazy glue?

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   dieselpig | Jan 09, 2005 09:53pm | #15

   Nothing like the sound of duct tape tearing first thing in the morning...... love the sound of the jobsite.  I like the crazy glue idea though.... don't need to carry a cat's paw anymore.... just a bottle of nail polish remover for when I glue my fingers to the top plate.

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   Piffin | Jan 10, 2005 03:57am | #16

   Just git out the router and dovetail the fitts. No nails needed. Then pee on the joints to make them swell and the fit will really hold tight.

    

    

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   davidmeiland | Jan 10, 2005 06:09am | #17

   How about skip the dovetails? Just pee on the ends of the studs and the wood will swell and lock everything up.

   Man... what ever happened to just getting out a hammer and some 16d nails??

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   Piffin | Jan 10, 2005 06:18am | #18

   You mean carpenters still use hammers? 

    

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   Piffin | Jan 10, 2005 06:19am | #19

   U have to admitt, this is a very entertaining thread! 

    

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   Huckleberry | Jan 10, 2005 07:39pm | #20

   use light gage metal studs with framing screws

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   JDRHI | Jan 10, 2005 08:05pm | #21

    

   J. D. Reynolds

   Home Improvements

   "DO IT RIGHT, DO IT ONCE"

   
   

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   Edited 1/10/2005 12:09 pm ET by JAYBIRD

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   shariyf | Jan 11, 2005 02:12am | #22

   try it small greek island style.   bubble gum and spit, it does wonders.

   or like the caveman does,  hand 10's and a club.  also known as a estwing 28oz  waffle face hammer  just watch your fingers.  cut your studs tight, an extra 1/8"

   and slam them into place

    

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   skyecore | Jan 11, 2005 03:14am | #23

   WHAT A BUNCH OF LIBRARIANS! geeez.. The sheetrock holds it together just fine, all you gotta do is cut the studs a tiny bit long, whackem in so theill stay, then screw the sheetrock on!EDIT: hope you all dont take me seriesly-->
   measure once
   scribble several lines
   spend some time figuring out wich scribble
   cut the wrong line
   get mad

   Edited 1/10/2005 8:12 pm ET by skyecore

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   Treetalk | Jan 11, 2005 03:53am | #24

   Hey maybe he just finds toe nailing hard to do.So pin it with a few 2.5 finish nails so it doesnt skid around then really nail with the proper nails. Course I would use a kreg jig or my biscuit machine.Hey Im renovating a house where apparently the guy back in 1925 bought 2 kegs of 20 commons and that was the only nails he used for the next 75 years. No kidding even the 3/4 " shelves in the basment were made with 20's clinched over.!

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   skyecore | Jan 11, 2005 04:10am | #25

   ha! pretty funny about those 20s my house is like that too. I dont know how those old school carps(i know im showing my youth here) were able to hold everything in place whele driving those 'railroad spikes' in-->

   measure once

   scribble several lines

   spend some time figuring out wich scribble

   cut the wrong line

   get mad

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   Treetalk | Jan 12, 2005 03:11am | #26

   My dad gave me literally a keg of 20 P galv. finish nails about 15 years ago.Ive only used about a lb. The're great for hanging tools up but other than that.......a bed of nails?......

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   skyecore | Jan 12, 2005 10:49am | #27

   thats all you use them for?! geez! what about installing vynil windows? or decorative moulding? or roofing, or making decorative hardwood boxes?!Your letting those 20s go to waise!-->

   measure once

   scribble several lines

   spend some time figuring out wich scribble

   cut the wrong line

   get mad