Firebox stove pipe exterior alternatives
Firebox stove pipe exterior alternatives???
I need to some guidance on how to dress up my fire box exterior stove pipe on my roof. I am building a house (i’m the to be home owner) and my builder an I are stuck as to how best to handle.
There is a masonary fireplace outside the living area facing the exterior patio. In the living space to save money we opted for a framed firebox giving the “appearance” of a split masonary fireplace pushed through the roof. We wanted as real a fireplace as possible and went with this vented box that can burn gas or real logs. Absolutely gorgeous “but” the vent pipe is enormous and even though the real masonary fireplace outside will be in front of the pipe, you will still see it. The stud framing of the inside fire box will be faced with stone all the way to the cieling (which is vaulted). flooring is I-Joisted. The type box we ended up with was not properly planned for and they got real creative in pushing the pipe past the king rafter. We planned to wrap the pipe in brick but there is only osb that the brick would sit on right now.
We’re trying to figure out how to make this look good. I’m thinking we’ll have to suck it up and punch through the roof, reframe around it, and pour a foundation to hold the load.
I how this is clear. Any thoughts would be helpful.
PS – could any of these fancy chimney pots slip over this stack?
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I'll be looking at / for your further responses but my two cents
changed a flat troublesome copper 1912 roof to a peaked roof and reworked my chimney too w/ the notion of putting a gas vermont castings in to improve heating on that wing and almost maintain ambience of fireplace
did a lot of looking and settled on a chimney pot from http://www.englishantiqueimports.com / Elizabeth ( highly recommend ) but come to learn the stack for VCastings must both exhaust and provide air for the firebox of stove and must be open to elements for all to function properly - would think if yours only vents / exhausts you have a better chance
thanks. I am looking at these chimney pots as well and curious how it could be retrofitted to my need given they are not designed for this. Also, my exhaust pipe comes out the slope of my roof. I have close to a 10/12 pitch. this is new construction so exhaust only with the fire box vent coming from the side of the house next to the exterior masonary fireplace.
Could you frame-in an exterior chimney around this thing and then sheath it an cover with cultured stone? From what you explained, it sounds like this would also convey the appearance of the chimney being inside and out?
Maybe post a pic?
That's an option we're lookig into. Not sure how to handle the load and even that scenario would need some support. Because the type of box we went with was not planned, the king rafter and trusses had to be hacked to some extent and all that would be carrying the load right now is almost literally osb. To do it right you would really need to redo the roof trusses almost completely in that spot. Not sure if it's worth the expense at this point, hence this thread on what people may have done creatively.
I'm having a little trouble following your description. Let me see if I've got this right.
You are having a house built and a vertically vented metal fireplace is installed. Stone facing is/will be installed as a veneer to the interior fireplace framing to give the look of a real stone fireplace. The metal chimney pipe had to be bent around the ridge beam, so the pipe does not go exactly straight up.
The question is how to dress up the pipe on the exterior - on the roof. To complicate the exterior situation, there is an outside brick masonry fireplace that the inside fireplace backs up against, so the metal pipe cover needs to match, or at least go with that.
What I don't understand is when you say >> I'm thinking we'll have to suck it up and punch through the roof, reframe around it, and pour a foundation to hold the load. << , or maybe I read you to say that you have a stone faced fireplace facade with no support below other than the I-joists and subfloor, but now think you need to add real support under it to brick in the top of the metal chimney.
As far as support, unless the interior fireplace is faced with faux stone or very thin real stone, it needs to have support under it anyway - not just the subfloor and I-joists. Then, continuous support needs to go from the foundation up through the roof if you intend to brick the exterior of the pipe. I'd guess 12" OC framing would be called for on the entire interior structure. Still though, if you intend to attempt to "marry" the faux rooftop masonry chimney with the real exterior chimney, I don't think that would work too well as the outside fireplace has masonry support from footer to chimney top, where as what you are proposing would be supported by wood. The dissimilar materials would not give uniform support and cracking of the rooftop "assembly" would be almost inevitable.
Your idea of a rooftop clay sleeve, or similar might be the best option.
It kinda sounds like you are remodeling a house that is under construction...
Apparently I've described it well since you have it right. The stone veneer on the inside is the thin faux veneer that can be carried by i-joists. With what we had to do to pipe through the ceiling there literally is a layer of nothing between the inside fire place framing and the osb on the roof. Your conscious is leading you in the same direction as me.This link will show you the exterior prior to them pushing the vent through. You may also not the exterior fireplace that actually is to be laid this week. View the 3rd and 4th pic down. Definitley new construction. This issue has simply been a disconnect from the biginning. it was supposed to be a masonary fireplace all the way through.http://www.ricktruesdale.com/Whitethorne17.html
It will be quite a nice home. I can see how the problem/solution has been illusive though. What if you did use some kind of sleeve on the metal pipe and topped the exterior masonry fireplace with a piece of the same material? To me the house has somewhat of a European look and I think maybe they use/or did use those clay chimney topers over there - although only having been to Europe for a week in my entire life I really don't know.
BTW - I looked around a bit on your web page. Apparently you are a skilled woodworker. I too live in NC, Raleigh actually. I'm gonna make a guess that you are not a native of the area...
Edited 3/4/2006 10:59 pm ET by Matt
That's not a bad idea and coming to the realization that may be my only option. this house is in keeping with a more european look.
My hobby is building furniture and really enjoy it. the quasi attached one car garage with a room over it will be my office for the day job and below a workshop I've always wanted. Really looking forward to it. This house I'm building the island, closets, barn "style" door on workshop and timber framing around porch in back.
Though your right, why would you say i'm not from the area? curious.
thanks again for your thoughts!
>> Though your right, why would you say i'm not from the area? curious. << The way you use words is a bit unusual to me. Almost European or something... For example "firebox" and "king rafter". "Firebox" might normally be called a metal fireplace, a more commonly used meaning for firebox might be the part of the fireplace assembly where the wood (etc) is actually burned - the interior lining. The words "king rafter" I still have not quite figured out but maybe it is a faux ridge beam based on the fact that you also later mentioned trusses. Some of it I guessed was that you are not entirely familiar with building terms - Another thought was that you were one of those really intelligent guys who just speak a little differently - Last night we watched A Beautiful Mind with Russel Crow; not sure if you saw that one but it was absolutely hilarious when he tried to pick up the blond... Anyway, to tell you the truth, I had a bit of a hard time deciphering your initial description - that was why I paraphrased it back. I think that was partly because of the absence of the word "metal", which I decided was insinuated by the words "stove pipe". Also I still never figured out if you are going to use faux stone veneer, or real stone veneer to create a faux solid masonry fireplace look...
Anyway, as I said your home looks like it will be very beautiful and unique, although to tell you the truth I have no illusions of ever living in a house that has a name - as such. For some (like me) it's more just the opportunity, challenge and derived satisfaction of being a significant contributor to the creation of something like that while still riding on someone else's dime. Hope that came out right...
Back to your initial question, as someone suggested above my first thought was to frame a chase on the outside and add faux stone - though I see that that would not go to well with your exterior brick fireplace, but likewise, you might want to look into using a faux brick veneer that as closely as possible matches the exterior fireplace in color. Generally I love the faux stone but am not as much of a fan of the faux brick, although they have some that are actually just thin pieces of brick. Framing a chase is the normal way of handling one of these metal chimney pipes and the frame and faux veneer would be not much load at all, although admittedly the normal way to accomplish it would be to frame the chase all the way up through the roof. Still, blocking could be added above the already framed interior chase to allow the roof top assembly to transfer some/most of it's load past the roof to the chase framing below. Again though I'll say don't try to attach the faux rooftop chase to the real brick chimney as it won't work too well. Also, the top of a chase like this has to be carefully detailed as they are notorious leakers...
Edited 3/5/2006 10:26 am ET by Matt
Thanks all for the advisement as my builder and I work through this. As you have noticed I'm not a home builder, just a furniture hobbiest and given this is our second custom home I try to leverage the lingo I thought I had picked up to avoid any confusion. This may have not helped:)I have some updated photos for this week with pics outlining my problem area. If this is enlightning and you have any other creative ideas, I'm all eyes (ears).http://www.ricktruesdale.com/Whitethorne21.html
Nice pics... A few observations - yes - that pipe isn't too good looking... quite big too. At least it is on the back where all utility vent type pipes belong. Now I see that you don't have trusses, but a stick built roof, and a bit of a complicated one at that. It looks like at least a jack rafter is cut and maybe a hip rafter too - if that is what you call it on a clipped gable like that... You may want to take steps to insure that the roof has been properly supported at this point. That one vertical block looks minimal at best. Was the framing inspection before or after the metal fireplace chimney install?
BTW - based on your furniture making skills, the trim carpentry work may drive you nuts, especially if it is paint grade. Having had a house built before, I guess you know what to expect though. FYI - paint grade needs to have gaps - to let the caulk get between the joints.
Edited 3/5/2006 2:49 pm ET by Matt
man o man that is one monstrous pipe
interesting how in some pictures of the dwelling and site it does not appearcompliments on your house, breezeway, office/shop and guest house (?) in back? very nicely done - pipe definite oversight NO?If I'm following you correctly you are going to have a bricked fireplace for outside patio on the other side of the wall of your zeroclearance interior fireplace?may I interrupt my train of thought to ask you does that pipe have to go so high? Not so sure but here I think it is 2 ft, higher than anything ten feet away - from some perspectives that looks like eight feet taller than anything this side of Cape Canaveralto cut to the chase can you go ninety soon after leaving roof plane and come into new brick chimney servicing ext. fireplace
(make new chimney 2 ft. wider maybe to hide oversight above?)
Your understanding is correct. Also this was not planned for.
The pipe is supposedly at the required height (2 feet above anything within 10).
I have proposed pushing it into the brickfireplace and apparently this is not allowed. Not sure why but assume a code thing:)
Builder to this point has been exceptional and with my dangerous book and limited practice knowledge he has been a step ahead of me the whole way and exceeded what I would have deemed proper (and I can be meticulous). To thiis end he is still researching options and understands the pipe as is unacceptable (assuming options exist)
So let me get this straight - there will be a real masonry chimney rising next to this thing, right? That masonry chimney is to service the outdoor fireplace, right?
COuld you box in the existing pipe and cover in cultured stone in such a was as it will look like the outdoor chimney is actually through the wall? In other words, build the exterior chimney, but have a box around in the interior chimney pipe (coming through the roof) that makes the exterior chimney look larger.
Your correct and this seems to be the train of thought we're pursuing. We'll see if this is possible and there exists cultured brick that can marry up.
Well guys, here is what we're going to do. Framers are going to come out and reframe that part carrying the load to the fire place framing/boxing. We'll then be able to support the load the brick veneer will be required.As my builder Bob Cashion said to me on the phone (with an excited tone), "I can do this because I'm bob the builder:)"Needless to say I'm very excited as well!!!
definitely sounds like the best solution.