some pictures of a bay window on a remodel we are doing it took 2 of us 3 hours to get this far on this one we’ll sheet it first thing in the morning then build another one just like it on the other side of the door. some pics may not be in order still learning this picture thing.
Prescriptive codes don't address the connection at less common angles, so base the connection off more typical ones using bolts, structural screws, blocking, and steel tension ties.
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Keep the pics coming, Mike. Nice looking job. Is that my homeboy Angus, I see in one of those pics?
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nah! angus couldn't hang with the big boys to long so he went back to work for daddy. :) lets see if that gets him to actually post now. hey would you be interested when i put on my addition on doing the copper on my barrell roof and concave bays?
>>>>>>>>>>would you be interested when i put on my addition on doing the copper on my barrell roof and concave bays?I never say never. Especially when the framing looks good like yours does. It's tough to put copper on a bad frame and make it look good.http://www.grantlogan.net
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I'll holler at you when i get closer and see what we can work out hopefully i'll get started before winter
Finally got around to posting some more pics the whole job is pretty much finished now with a new one already dried in will post some of those as well.
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Mike,
Looks good. Thanx for sharing.
Chuck S
maybe someday chuck i"ll be a pro like you.
some before of the front and back
now during and after
WOW, y'all get some nice jobs.
And reward the HO's with nice work.
Keep it up Mike!The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
Mike,
That is some great work. Thanx for sharing.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck I got your email and I will have to check my pictures and see if i have any of them more finished than they are in my last picture post to you the outside has not been painted yet due to the weather but the rest of the job is complete.
Very nice!
6 man-hours to get to that point?
I'd say you're well ahead of the curve.
No pun intended.
What's the finish? Copper?
The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
Thanks David I've been inspired to start posting pics by you and guys like you.
yes the finish is copper i will post more as they progress
First, let me compliment you on the clean looking framing and effort.
Now, help me figure out what Im seeing. It's a five sided bay but I can only see three sides of a roof. Is this a cantilevered upper wall situation?
Bob's next test date: 12/10/07
Quote of the day: "...can't be done, it will take too long, not enough pipeline capacity, yada yada but yet they don't apply the same skepticism to their own "solutions" such as wind and biofuels"
Jim,
Look again at pic 1515. Starting from the right in the pic you have a common, a hip, a common, a hip and then commons.
Curved roof is for the push out bay on the front of the house and will go against the two story section.
pic 1154.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
I'm studying every pic hard and each picture blocks out the exact angle that I need to fully understand. I think you are right. So the two sides push the bay out about a foot. Interesting detail. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07
Quote of the day: "...can't be done, it will take too long, not enough pipeline capacity, yada yada but yet they don't apply the same skepticism to their own "solutions" such as wind and biofuels"
It took me a couple of looks to see the 5 sides. The bay roof is a 1/2 of an octagon.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Your right Jim the upper wall is cantilevred the stone under the bay did come all the way up but they tore it off before i got pics. i will be furring the lower wall out to meet the upper wall then the whole house and large rear addittion will get cedar shake.
if you look closely you will see five sides i will post more today after the sheeting is on maybe it will show up better
Edited 8/15/2008 6:01 am ET by mikeroop
Mike ,
Very nicely done.
What is the sheeting ? Two layers of 3/8" ply?
Looking forward to seeing more tonite.
Walter
Thanks Walter, always enjoy seeing your work as well yes the sheeting is two layers of 3/8 didn't get to many pictures today it's friday and i was in a hurry :)
the last picture is after they are dried in and the shadows make them look out of level
Looking really sweet !!
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Nice framing Mike, love the picts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pretty work... but why mess it up with copper? Crys for roll roofing<G> Now you see this one-eyed midget
Shouting the word "NOW"
And you say, "For what reason?"
And he says, "How?"
And you say, "What does this mean?"
And he screams back, "You're a cow
Give me some milk
Or else go home"
Nah, silver paint!Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations
You gonna play that thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Ln-SpJsy0
Don't let Bobbys near it !!
Hey Bosshog, this ones for you! Truss guy screwed up as usual. I know you guys always cringe when we do this,(cut trusses) but don't worry we have papers. this guy totally blew it on 7 differnt trusses that needed to hang from headers due to the wall height and window situation. it took two weeks for me, the archy, the archy's engineer, and the truss guy to get a design to work for every one. deflection was the biggest issue because the top is flat so as not to go over the existing ridge, needles to say it's been a nightmare but we're finally getting somewhere even if it is wrong. by the way it's on the back of the house of the bay windows
Edited 8/21/2008 9:32 pm ET by mikeroop
Mike,
Did you just cut those mending plates with that sidewinder? I've got to take some apart on monday where the truss designer saw a parapet wall on the print and decided to incorporate it into the truss design. Good idea, but of course they are in the wrong spot and the wrong height. So I was looking forward to taking them apart on monday when we set them. But if I can just cut through them with an old blade......John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
If you cut slow with a decent blade, it won't hurt the blade at all. If you push it, it will chip the carbide. I actually knew a guy that claimed that running it through the metal like that would sharpen it. He said his dad (a texan) would always be glad to find a piece of metal plate like that and intentionally run his saw through. I used to intentionally cut through all types of metal without ruining the blade but I went slow(er). If I was cutting at normal speed and accidently found a nail, it usually took the edge off...but didn't deter me. I had a two blade limit on myself on any rough.
WEAR SAFETY GLASSES! The plates send off little pieces of flying metal
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
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John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
I've cut through them myself before. It's definitely hard on saw blades.Safgety glasses aren't adequate, IMHO - I'd use fully enclosed goggles. Beats all heck out of taking someone to the ER with metal in their eye.
Q: What's worse than a giraffe with a sore throat?
A: Dolly Parton with a chest cold
I agree that safety glasses aren't really adequate, BTDT, and any more I like a full face shield, a scarf, and the sleeves down and buttoned, collar buttoned and gloves.
Them BB's do get where you don't want them .
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
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John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
Pretty Much ! ;-0
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
John ,yep but looks like you've already gotten lots of good advice.
Doesn't matter how good ya are - There are so many details it's easy to overlook one. I had a real tough house the other day. Got it all done pretty good, but had the corner of an LVL beam sticking out of the roof. Everyone got bent out of shape - They always look at one or two things that are wrong, and forget that hundreds of things are right.
How did they measure hail before the golf ball was invented?
yea, i know, but the truss guy had been on site several times lots of phone convos and the trusse hanging off the headers always seemed to arrive in conversation it just amazed me they came out wrong after discussing the issue so many times. oh well it's done now and all sheeted in will post some more pics next week.had a couple scab trusses deliverd today with almost all the plates on one side barely on at the corners and not touching at all in the middle
So who was responsible for checking the drawings before giving the truss plant the go ahead to build?
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
"So who was responsible for checking the drawings before giving the truss plant the go ahead to build?"
Interesting question.
In theory, I guess everyone should check them. But in my experience, no one wants to take the time or the responsibility.
Tyipcally the GC, archy, and engineer will put a stamp on the drawings that says they drawings are approved for "general conformance to the project", but they take no responsibility for anything.
Often the salesman at the truss plant will assume the truss designer has checked everything over carefully, and the designer assumes the salesman has checked it all over. That can sometimes mean that some pretty screwed up stuff can get delivered to a jobsite. Then the finger pointing begins.
Unless someone along the line is willing to put some effort into making sure things are correct, there's no reason to think that they will be. And that's often not the case.
Of all the things you wear, your expression is the most important
After our last truss package, I'm going to confirm every order myself. If I have to draw every truss in AutoCAD to determine if it's going to work, I will do it. A 5 minute (or even 2 hour) confirmation is better than a full day repair.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Jon, I don't know who checked the trusses on the complicated customs that we used to frame in MI but I know that I studied that package and knew everything about those trusses before I had the basement deck framed. I typically would start verifying spans as soon as the mudsills were laid.
With trusses, you pretty much have to start at the top and work your way down. I would imagine that the dimensions were even more critical with how you guys framed.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Yes, you are exactly right. To successfully preframe everything, we had to know exactly where everything was going to hit. The key was to know and establish the height of the fascia. Interestingly, I was delighted to see that Chief Architect thinks in the same way and roof planes can be manipulated from that datum point.
I love it when i show up and the trusses are already there things go way smoother!
We had it in our rough frame contract that if the trusses weren't there it would trigger and automatic $500 "early start fee". We rarely had to wait and the builder would always be worried about that clause. If we knew the builder, we'd give him one day leeway but he had to have all the specs onsite on the first day. I worked for two or three years with a guy. The two of us framed quite a few houses alone. His method, which I went along with, was to frame the basement deck and sheath it. Then, we'd drag the trusses over onto the deck and line them up on the end line. We'd mark out a few things if the trusses were split and get it all figured out...including the fascia lines and frieze lines. Sometimes, we'd mark out the studio ceilings, etc. It's all good if you have a plan...I saw some Texas carpenter today setting a LVL. It had a pitch cut on it's end, similar to what started this thread and I hope they the point wasn't the outside of the wall!
I should mention too that when I studied the trusses, I'd verify the span, the heel, the pitch, the projection and then verify that the actual truss matched the papwerwork. After I'd done all that, I would know what every horizontal line on the frame was starting from the mudsill to the top of the fascia. During the actual framing phase, we used the top of the fascia as our datum point and gave it a number in relation to the top of the wall. On really cut up frames where the top plates and floor heights wandered up and down, I'd calculate everything from the top of the finished floor on the main level. All this was necessary for us to place our headers and exterior trim properly since we did that before the trusses were set. One benefit of this study was that we identified problem trusses on the first or second day of the job and avoided the emergency rush job to get something fixed. It was not unusual for the truss company to send out a truss repair crew and they would cut and re-build the trusses onsite. Some truss companies would ask us for an estimate for us to do the repairs though. Sometimes they'd ship a new truss or set of trusses.
If you want to go over the drawings, see if the designer will sit down with you at their office and review them with you. They should be able to pull up 3D perspectives of the trusses, like in the attached file. Then can spin them around on the screen, zoom in or out, and even "fly through" the trusses. That way you can see if something doesn't plane out. They should also be willing to show you how they came up with heel heights and such. You can double check wall heights, overhangs, and anything else you want to. And they can print out any drawings you need on the spot. I would gladly do this kind of stuff with anyone, and I wish more contractors would take an interest in the process. But they seem to be more concerned with how fast and how cheap they can get the trusses. After they get them is when they start worrying about what they actually WANTED us to send them.
When you're in a hole, don't try to dig yourself out
I do and have done exactly what you are suggesting. On the commercial jobs I often bring along the framing sub or have the truss designer come to my job for a sitdown with the framing sub and myself and walk through every truss, elevation, attachment, etc. etc.. Which is why I asked "Who checked the Drawings" "A Stitch in Time"
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Well, like I said - I wish more guys would do that. I'm always happy to work with anyone who will put a little effort into the job.
If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of house payments.
Good question but as i explained to bosshog the guy had been out several times because hieght was such an issue and it said clearly on the plans hang trusses from header. I don't recall anyone giving the o.k. to build just remember the designer saying o.k. i got it now. i told the G.C. i don't think he does something will be wrong. but it all has turned out in the end :)
Hi Mike,
That is great stuff!
John Lazaro's big old band saw would have been handy for cutting those curved rafters.
All the best,
Brian
Thanks Brian.
Now I wish I would have payed attention in math class so I would be able to figure out stuff like that. In my defense I was trying to entice my future wife to a date.
Nice work.
some days i wish i'd paid more attention:) but those were probably the days i was chasing some girl that is not my wife!
I've got some pictures of the finished product i need to find time to post maybe this weekend.just brought this up for the guy looking for info on concave roofs this is not exactly what he's talking about but an idea.not sre how to post a link yet.
I'll be interested to see them. Thanks in advance.
Jim thanks for following along finally found some time to post some more pics well after digging around i could only find this one picture the front is finished now and the interior is being trimmed. now i need to find where the rest of my photos went
So far, so good. Don't forget to tape the Tyvek seam LOL! Did you do the copper or did you farm that out?
It gets farmed out .
Looks really good.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Hey Mike -
I can't tell from the pix how they radiused the seams. Did they cut thru them or crimp them?I wish the ones we get were framed that smooth. You do good work. It's easy to make the copper look good on a good frame.View Image
Thanks for the kind words! I'm not that far away ya know, i'd be glad to do some custom work down that way every now and then:) the roofer luvs me he crimps the seams in place.
Hey rez how do i link this thread to silvertip in his thread about curve roofs in construction technics thanks in advance
If you right click the post number ( you may wish to return to the first post) you can "copy shortcut" and then you can paste that in to your post.
Or you can highlight the post number and right click to copy............
Or you can save the original post to your favorites and then insert it in yourpost or send the guy and email with the link.
watch.............
Left click the mouse and hold it down without releasing it when the cursor is next to the 108402.1 in the message numbers at the upper right of the page:
108402.67 in reply to 108402.1
and drag the cursor across the number 108402.1 until the whole number is highlighted in blue then release the left click on the mouse.
That number 108402.1 is now locked in your browser and as long as you don't copy anything else or release it anywhere else it will stay in there
so you can then go to the thread and the post you are in the process of making which you want to impart that numbered link into...
place the cursor in the post you are making in the location you want to place the link
right click the mouse which opens a window
scroll up to the highlighted in blue word 'paste' and then left click on paste
which will deposit the link into the body of the message.
If the word 'paste' is not highlited in black before you scroll up to it then you lost the copy of the link somehow.
A bit overly detailed description but some might also be reading this that need the detail.
Cheers
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Thanks rez eric let me cheat he did it for me :)