Had an unusual architectural feature crop up this past week .
Big stone fireplace chimney directly in front of an arched top window .
The mason and builder had already flashed with lead sheet and the cedar shingles up to the back of the chimney .
I started making up a cricket on Friday . More pictures tomorrow night after the work is completed .
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Was the architect insane?
That chimney still has a lot higher up to go to clear all those ridges and get draw. I can imagine the dormer with the round top window being a nice decoration, but with just masonry to look at and only a sliver of light coming in, that is a waste of effort and resource.
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Paul,
I can't believe they wouldn't eliminate this one window out of the 6 that are built into the main roof .
I came onto this project late in the game , or I would have been more insistant that the stone chimney should be thru flashed , even without the added window unit .
The masons still have 18' to I think . They threw me this add on when I arrived to put copper on the arched window roofs .
I'll call when I'm done here to look at your project .
Walter
If you were to want to see it on google earth, it is at the end of Aldrich Lane SW side of the island. He owns most of that point. The particular house is on the west end of the knob.
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Paul ,
Just got home from the Folk Festival in Bangor .
Thanks , I'll get a chance to look at it tomorrow .
Walter
I have always enjoyed following your threads, but hey, how was that folk fest?
Had to check out their website.
Wow, Clinton Fearon, I saw the Gladiators at least 25 years ago. Legendary. Mike
Small wheel turn by the fire and rod, big wheel turn by the grace of god.
Clinton was the last act we saw yesterday .
QUITE exceptional in all respects . A truly great performer with a tremendous group of musicians !
Morning Walter,
How's this project coming along?
Hope the weather there is as lovely as it's been here this last week. Nothing quite so nice as the onset of Fall in my mind.
Best,
Steve
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Steve ,
I just got on line a few minutes ago !
That little project is done , coupled with a bit of swearing , and some cut fingers .
Theres no way that dormer and window should have even been placed there , but it won't leak . The window being trimmed added to the difficulty of getting the metal in place properly .
I'm on to the dormer roofs . This is a great stretch of weather we're having lately , in the best time of the year , by far .
Best , Walter
Yeah buddy, that was a ruff one from what I saw.
Lousy ##### carpenters.... LOL
I really try to make Grant's work easier when I build them eyebrows, knowing HOW the copper needs to be attached helps..we had one so far that both of us kinda dropped the ball, we were rushed and an archy got involved, and the damm window wouldn't quite work.
I like rewrapping existing dormers, but some of these from scratch ones can be a challange to get right.
Been making a jig that mimics the roof slope and working to that, but them big ones take up some space in the shop by god.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Duane ,
If the archy hadn't insisted on placing that window there it would have been better all around .
The carpenters did a pretty good job overall , except I wished I could have flashed into the wall under the window prior to window and trim going on .
Got to head to Bangor in a few minutes to try and find a guy to help this weekend on a slate strip / asphalt lay down , before I head to the Coast to work on dormers .
Walter
Good luck on yer search for help, I wish I could come up and play.
Grant said I have a cedar roof in the works, I'm saving gas money just to GET there.
I did sell a small bathroom remod with cherry cabs, all solid wood and Shaker Style..I love working with Cherry, makes the hou se smell nice...funny when the wood stove is lit and the dust settles, it makes ya hungy for cherry pie.
I just counted 17 coyotes circling the shed...might turn Malo and Ivory and Flan loose to run em off, but every time I do the vet bills get bad...Malo killed one, but he's taken a bad bite..jeeze, I feel like Michael Vick.
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Duane ,
I've got a project you might want to do for me -- from the comfort of your shop .
I need a base made for a large slate slab for my recently retired bride to use as a potting bench .
I'll take some pictures and get dimensions this weekend if you'd have an interest .
Walter
Walter,Oops, sorry, I meant the dormers, and not just this oddball one. Glad to hear all is going along smoothly. Aside from the cuts and the swearing. LOLWas thinking of you the other day, when reading about the goings on in Matinicus http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/us/23lobster.html?_r=1&scp=1sq=matinicus&st=cseNot too far from Vinalhaven it looks.And, yes, it's hard to beat the crisp apples and approach of Halloween for my money.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
That all went down when I was on Vinalhaven the last time .
A bunch of the fishermen there knew the parties involved so I got some insight in to what the backround was with them .
Just another 12 or 15 miles out , but I've never set foot on that Island .
Best , Walter
Your daugter is looking really cute in the other thread !!
The curved roofs are going fine -- swearing only behind the chimney !!
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Baby got ya up?
Coyotes after my chicken coop here, I hate almost full moon.
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Is there any steel going in that chimney?
I'm not sure what you're asking ??
he's looking for rebar for some reason
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Paul ,
Thats what I thought , but it's not my project -- so I don't know what was specced .
I do know that it would have been much better if I'd thru flashed it .
Walter
Yes on the thru flashing esp in that kind of location where snow can drift in and pile up. I would have wanted to take that window out too, and run in under it.but one advantage of this is that it will divert flow of water from above
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Hey Walter -
Don't want to hijack, but this doesn't warrant a thread of it's own:
I was kinda pumped up today. Went to look at some work on a Frank Lloyd Wright designed home. They wanted to replace a portion of the roof with copper. When I got there I found a 100 y/o flat seam terne roof in excellent condition with a hole in it. We're gonna patch the hole. The owner about had a heart attack when I told him I wouldn't tear the original roof off and put new copper on - that there was lot's of life left.
But, I got a free tour of a really cool home and made friends with a really cool home owner.
I couldn't get a good vantage point to take any pictures from outside and I thought it might be rude if I started flashing away inside. But we'll be back. Looks like we've got the job as the caretakers.copper p0rn
Grant ,
I'd love to see some pictures of whatever you're able to photograph !!
Super that you were able to do a job for way less cost than an owner anticipates . Makes you look like the savior in their eyes .
I'll post some pics in a bit of the copper roofs I'm starting to install .
Best , Walter
Just wondering if they are putting vertical rebar in. Looks like ( can't remember now,it was yesterday) thin
paver type blocks set vertically around the flue. It's just that you don't see to many honest to goodness
stone chimneys anymore. I was wondering if the steel was required.
Thats not something I deal with often . I doubt if there is code requirements for that . Flue sizing and air space are things the State would deal with , but iron -I'm not aware .
Steve ,
Here are a few of the dormer roofs going on .
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Heres the treatment the carpenters are using to flare the lower courses of the white cedar wall shingles .
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their siding looks better than their curved trim on the dormers.
and as always the copper looks good.
Mike,
Thanks for looking in . You're right the flare for the shingles looks and works really good . The window trim is weaker .
I'm learning a lot with the copper installs . When I get on the front side I should be up to speed .
Walter
It's been perfect weather for that kind of work - finally!ask the carps what they are using for the curved fascia fronts on those barrel dormers over the windows.
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A few from the front side of the house .
Paul ,
They used primed select pine , but they didn't biscuit the pieces together .
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Walter, Thanx for posting this job. The wood trim is a bit lacking but your work looks good, as always.I am surprized a trim package was not ordered with the windows. I have found, over the years, it is cheaper and more accurate to order trim than to site build.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck ,
I was as surprised as you are . The balance of the project is really well done , but that facet is weak .
Thanks for checking in . Have a safe and happy weekend .
Best , Walter
Yeah, the way that joint shows, it will get worse with time.
But most of their work looks decent, some even overkill.
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Back to the Coast today to keep working on this copper eyebrow project .
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Looks good, Walter.
You love to solder, dontcha?copper p0rn
Grant ,
I'll be leaving a lot of those seams barea**ed !
I'll solder the back seams and patches and the top narrow panel seams , but leave the rest .
It's got Grace Ultra underneath , and quite steep on the sides so as a wise sage from KY once told me -- no worries mate .
Thanks for your ear from time to time . Took these at $ 2128 and will do just fine !!
Best , Walter
I was talking about the valley where you have those missing triangles. I lay a separate segmented valley instead of forcing the roof across the valley. Probably equals out - more folding for less soldering.copper p0rn
I'm a slate man trying to teach myself how to do copper work .
I'll only need to solder up 3 to 4 inches on those seams , since they are going to leave only 3/4" of copper showing when they put on the red cedars .
I thought I might do it like you said , but I started this way and I think it will be fine wy=hen completed .
Walter
Oh. I wasn't being critical. I just hate solder and will spend all day figuring out how to do a fold that doesn't need solder.copper p0rn
Grant ,
I need to spend a week with you and work for a trade for all the knowledge I'd get . Maybe this Winter if you could stand to have an old griz around !!!
No I knew you weren;t being critical , we use different approaches most of the time to axchieve good results .
Walter
You're welcome any time. Not sure you'd learn much, but we'd have some fun.copper p0rn
Thank you !
Pick a date. I'll get some beer and a video camera, and we can record the first episode of 'Crick and Crack'.Figure between Maine and Kentucky, the accents ought to be as amusing as those Bostonian fellows, no?Sphere can contribute the Puzzler.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Don't solder like my brother.............copper p0rn
See? You('re) in the swing of things already!'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve ,
I've already got a nice Sony we can use .
Bostonians don't have accents - they just talk funny . Mainah's have good accents !!
We'll have to have some O' Douls for me though !
Walter
Walter,We'll give you a couple of lobstants that you can wave around when you need to make a point ;)Best,
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Neither Grant or I really sound like most Kentuckians I've met. But to further the cause I'd be willing to fake it..LOL.
Puzzler huh? Izzat what they call a left handed compliment?
Anyway, you'd have hard time keeping me away from meeting Walter, just about anywhere. He'd also be very welcome to visit 'Villa Panola' if his travel allotment allowed.
I just gave away the three worst roosters this morning, you can actually hear yourself think again around here. So, I guess we can have visitors now. (G)Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Can you say COPPERFEST !!
I'm 45 mins away , next county down the interstate. Thats a BIG fest!
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Copperfest in kentucky?
now thats and idea!
how about it boys?
count me in!
Don't be pushing that too hard, of the 3 of G, G, and me, I'm the only one with enough property and location to do it. And I ain't ready for THAT much company yet. Willing? YUP! Able? Not quite.
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Getting some of the dormer roofs ready to be soldered up .
First pic shows my acetylene heated iron heating up .
Second one shows the soldered seams where roof and dormer meet .
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Finished one side today . Got two others on the back side installed , but not yet soldered .
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Yea, the starlett (Ms. SeeYou) is prettry and all, but Mr. Dormer is WAYYY ugly in that scene.
That Arch is just trying to make the place look wrong.A La Carte Government funding... the real democracy.
Walter not to take away from your work,
which is awesome by the way,
but could you get some pics of that gable and maybe a few of the finer details of that house.
if you have the time.
thanks mike
Mike ,
I'd be happy to do that on Tues . Working in Bangor on Monday , but will take a bunch of pics and put into a Shutterfly album and put a link to it in this thread .
Thanks for the interest and the compliments .
Best , Walter
Thanks for posting so many pictures. They are one of my favorite things to see on Breaktime. Fascinating stuff for me to see. I'd like to see your work published in a book someday.
Thank you very much !
I also enjoy and learn from the photo threads . I wished more folks took the time to document their work and post it .
Maybe Mike Smith will start up another one soon . Seeyou and Sphere are just starting a complex copper job too .
Walter
I wished more folks took the time to document their work and post it
you know, I've done some really interesting jobs and thought boy I'm gonna take lots of pictures on this one and post them.
well time seems to get away and I'm finished before I realized that I was going to take lots of pics.
and the little i have posted does take alot of time
so thanks again
to me a picture is definetley a thousand words!
Mike ,
I don't have time tonite to upload to Shutterfly -- I'm packing for a trip to my favorite Island for the rest of the week .
When I get back I'll post them in an album to link here.
Took just a couple of the carpenters starting the cedars around the copper dormers .
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Walter,Thanks for keeping the photos going on this thread. Nice work on wrapping those dormers.If you get a chance, can you take a shot or two of what you see from the house? Looks like a nice setting.Have fun on Vinalhaven.Best,
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Snext time back there teve,
I'm on the island now . Ate 3 soft shells last nite.
I will take a picture of Blue Hill Bay from the house next time back there .
Tonite I'll start one " from canvas to copper "
Best ,
Walter
Walter,No rush. Enjoy your stay on the island!I'll look forward to the new thread.Best,
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Steve ,
I was there today but didn't get any shots of the Bay yet .
Heres a few of the barrel dormers with the red cedars in place .
Going to meet Piffin in the morning on his Island .
Best , Walter
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Thanks Walter,Looks nice as always!Boy, Piffin's got his own island? He must have been around for some time. Maybe he traded some wampum for the land? LOLHave a great time. Thanks for the update.Best,
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Next and final time in Blue Hill I will get some scenery shots and I still owe Mike Roop some detail pics of the building .
Best , Walter
don't woory too much about me walter just make all the money you can while it's there to be had. :)
one question though just noticed in you latest photos all the oil from your hands discolored the copper how long will you be able to see that and is there something you could use to wipe it off. or does it just go away? or nobody cares?
here most everyone i've seen wears gloves to avoid that
no biggy just curious
Mike ,
I did take a bunch of house pictures that I'll put up soon .
I was away on another Island last week , so kinda outa sync with my picture posting .
In a couple more weeks when we have some rain those roofs will all be turning brownish and hand prints won't be detected then . If it were ogee gutter on a ranch down low I might take more precautions , but when the HO returns at Thanksgiving it will look brownish and blend with the cedars quite nicely.
Walter
With all the request for more photos from Stateman....
....maybe we should take a collection for batteries and larger memory cards???
Photos from Stan Foster and Walter are the high lite of my morning coffee.
thank you men!
Don't forget the camera!
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I'm packing 6 ladders and three cameras .
My buddy Dan from Vinalhaven will meet me too to help with documentation !
I've got an hour at the end to solder base flashing on his ladys dormer roof of slate .
I'll be pleased to meet him too.
Is that the little one you were doing up-island last spring?
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Yes thats the one .
He's met your daughter I believe . She is on Island isn't she or was Dan mistaken ??
Yes, you have now met her too.Shall we keep it a secret how you managed to get over here earlier than the ferry runs? That little magic trick should add to your mystique value here at BT.Thanks for coming out. I finally just now sat down to relax again. Got a slice of pizza and up to that other job for a while and rounding up tools and materials they needed....running back and forth the island length since 7:30 this morning
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do you live on an island? and how does the cost compare to the main land? with fairy fees and all?
I refuse to comment until I can come up with a return worthy of "fairy fees";)
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I thought you might like that ! :)
The masons have finally finished the stone chimney and I'm able to roof the dormer directly behind it .
Heres the finished stone monolith !
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Walter, can you remind me the reasoning for putting mount rushmore in front of the eyebrow?
or to put it another way............why put the eyebrow behind that big masonry?
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Simple Cal -- an architect designed it that way !!
I tried to get the builder to remove it and sheathe it in , but whadda I know I'm just a dumb roofer !!
Walter, I've got a friend who had a house framed. No one thought about skylight placement-except for even distribution across the ceiling. One over the center of the living area, one in the center of an adjacent sitting area and one in the center of the dining area (all in a vaulted greatroom).
Two have a sky view. One you can see if the smoke is coming out the chimney.
Used to be showing up was half the game.
Now I guess you have to add planning to the mix.
I was just hoping there was a ''reason". Or that someone owned up the the goof.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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No, no. Actually a high compliment! You'd be great at coming up with the puzzler.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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I am a puzzler, so I'll get right on it.
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Don't cha hate that all this fancy stuff...
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Will wind up being covered up?
Looks like you are making origami there...LOL
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Duane ,
Actually looking forward to soldering up this stuff so only the panels show !!
I'm starting to get the hang of these curved roofs . The next bunch will seem routine after these 6 are under my belt .
Walter
Walter,A belated thanks for posting the photos and for always taking the time to answer my inane questions! Always much appreciated.Hope you have a great weekend with no Laboring.Best,
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Steve ,
It'll be a great weekend , but there will be labor .
Gonna strip 8 sq's of slate and put on archy's over the 3 day weekend , then back to the Coast .
Your questions are always insightful , not inane . I'm always glad you and Chuck chip in to keep the thread alive .
Have fun , Walter
I don't think I have ever seen rebar in a chimney.But I have seen some tall ones sway in the wind!
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Perhaps I'm thinking of the NW with all the earthquake codes. Nothing like sitting around waiting for the inspector to
look for carbon deposits.
Hi Walter-
Wow- can't believe how close to the chimney that dormer is...
All's well out here.
Dan ,
Heading back down there in the morning . Finished my little side job today .
Looking to come out to your Island the middle of next week . Joe moore needs copper on his bay , and if you're here we could line that back section of gutter .
Best , Walter