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   Framer | Nov 12, 2006 08:43am | #1

   >> Garry is pretty funny guy...but boy did they beat up on the Framers! <<

   What did he have to say about Framers?

   Joe Carola
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   alrightythen | Nov 12, 2006 01:39pm | #3

   He and Jed were making fun about "framers" tolerances. it was all in good fun. specifically I recall Gary joking about how "eye balling" was for framers - then later in demo he goes to do something and "eye balls it".

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   davidmeiland | Nov 12, 2006 08:44am | #2

   I dunno... I didn't watch for long, but it appeared that the dude demoing the roof and dormer framing stuff was throwing down. Maybe Gary feels the heat and has to talk some smack.

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   woodguy99 | Nov 12, 2006 03:41pm | #4

   Every trade beats up on all the trades that came before.  Framers complain about the foundation, the architect and engineer.  Sheetrockers and finish carps complain about the framers.  Finish carps complain about the sheetrockers.  Painters complain about the finish carpenters.  Painters complain again when the have to touch up after floors are done.

   I mean, not on my jobs, everybody's happy, but on other jobs :-)

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   Timuhler | Nov 12, 2006 07:12pm | #5

   Yeah I noticed that.  Friday morning he was making cracks about framers ripping material and being within 1/4", then 1/8".  Matt, Alberto and I were sitting in the front laughing and Gary said that he can tell who the framers are by their size :-)  I took that as a compliment.

   I talked to him a bit about being a framer and he was really nice about it.  He probably thinks I'm a framer with finish tendencies :-)

   Were you there on Friday when he did the durable exterior trim?  That was our crew and my family in the front row asking all the questions.

   Matt and I were at the Wed class too.  I love it when the beat up on framers.  I was going to stand up and say that Matt and I would take on all y'alls, but chickened out :-)

   
   

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   Edited 11/12/2006 11:14 am ET by Timuhler

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   Gunner | Nov 12, 2006 07:19pm | #6

     EZ Dino almost got tackled at Tipifest for framer cracks. Diesel pig was getting close. LOL Not really but it was funny to hear Dino do his little framer quips then listen to Diesel cuss and threaten him under his breath. 

    

    

    

   Pardon my fat fingers.

    

    http://www.hay98.com/

    

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   Mooney | Nov 12, 2006 07:32pm | #8

   You watch our game last night ? 

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   Gunner | Nov 12, 2006 07:48pm | #9

     What game?

    

    

    

   Pardon my fat fingers.

    

    http://www.hay98.com/

    

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   dieselpig | Nov 12, 2006 07:30pm | #7

   Funny thing is I think Jed Dixon started out as a framer, if I'm not mistaken.  He's one of my favorite Construction Super Heroes.  He's got the right attitude and mad mad skills.View Image

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   alrightythen | Nov 12, 2006 08:11pm | #10

   I think I was at Jed's clinic during that session. Mostly I was back and  forth between Jed's and Garry's. with some filler stuff inbetween.

   Jed'd big deal was about the sawzall being one of the stair trim carps main tools cuz of the framers.

   really knowledgeble guy, he also offered to answer any questions we might ever have via e mail.

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   Framer | Nov 13, 2006 12:28am | #11

   >> I was going to stand up and say that Matt and I would take on all y'alls, but chickened out :-) <<Tim,Next time I'm going and we'll have to beat up on Gary a little bit and show him how tough us Framer's really are and hit him with a Framer's elbow and knock him out of plumb 1/8".................;-)Joe Carola

   Edited 11/12/2006 4:31 pm ET by Framer

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   Timuhler | Nov 13, 2006 03:21am | #12

   Yeah, that sounds good to me.  Although he can spot framers from a mile away because we are bigger than trim guys :-)  or at least I am

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   dieselpig | Nov 13, 2006 03:29am | #13

   I'd bet it was your big purple thumbs that gave you away.  ;)View Image

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   davidmeiland | Nov 13, 2006 03:32am | #14

   Over the next several thousand years, evolution is going to cause framers to get smaller. You guys are using too many forklifts and lightweight hammers. The days when a guy could carry a big 4x12 up a ladder and nail it on with his 28oz hammer are over. Where are the REAL men among you?!

   Trim guys, on the other hand, are lugging around all these giant miter saws and "portable" table saws, while we hang these huge doors that homeowners all want. In the future we'll all be at least 6'5". Watch out who you tease!

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   BKCBUILDER | Nov 13, 2006 05:11am | #22

    I don't know about the rest of you, but when I see those huge 10" and 12" miter saws (as the other guys eyes are glazing over in some halucinagenic erection) I look at them and my back starts to ache.

    I have my original Rockwell, Sold the delta that came after it cause it was to heavy, then kept the 10" Makita miter cause it's light, and the 10" Makita miter/bevel cause it's light to, and also have but rarely use the 10" Makita sliding bevel. They are all TINY by todays standards.....and most of them stay in the shop.

    Ever wonder what they did before miter saws.......skill baby....we suck compared to them, but make more money faster, and if they had the chance they would have used our stuff to.

    But we still suck. And I'm man enough to admit it.

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   davidmeiland | Nov 13, 2006 05:48am | #24

   You're not kidding. With all the really good modern tools I use every day I can't do squat with a handsaw or a hammer. So much for real skills...

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   AaronRosenthal | Nov 13, 2006 06:03am | #25

   I was looking at the Bosch electronic protractor when all the other dudes were dropping the drill. Just as an aside, I noticed how often the drill broke and had to be fixed - now, if I owned a Bosch drill would that guy come with me to the job site and fix the drill ir it fell and got bent......
   Anyway, I looked at some of the other stuff, like the 12" chop saw, and the salesguy starts telling me how great the unit is, until I tell him that if my 10" Hitachi dies, I'll get another one, or a DeWalt.
   Why? he asks me, this is such a great tool.
   Yea, says I, but I'm not buying a forklift to get it in and out of my van.
   Didn't get the protractor, either.Quality repairs for your home.

   AaronR ConstructionVancouver, Canada

    

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   woodguy99 | Nov 13, 2006 06:08am | #26

   I'm working with a guy who has the 10" Bosch.  Nice saw, but HEAVY.  I'll stick with my 10" Hitachi (with laser), thanks!

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   KirkpatrickFramer | Nov 13, 2006 06:16am | #27

   All these little trim guys complaing about 10" mitre saws. Heck, just set em up and that's it. Look at Tim holding that 14" bigfoot wormdrive straight out in front of him. Who's gonna give the beating, huh ?

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   woodguy99 | Nov 13, 2006 06:30am | #30

   Hey, I'm pretty strong for my size, 6', 190lbs.  But at 33 my back is already tweaked, and I want to do this a while longer.  I can carry two sheet of sheetrock at a time, carry my thickness planer with one hand, lug 40' ladders and 20' pics all the time.  But I'm starting to notice when things are heavier when they need to be.  Like bigazz miter saws that I have to carry back to the trailer every day.

   PS I'm sure Tim could kick my arse!

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   junkhound | Nov 13, 2006 07:12am | #33

   But at 33 my back is already tweaked

   Wait till you are well past 60!  About to start a small 1500 sq ft addition with 42 YO son, and he just got diagnosed with herniated disk, so I'm guessing who get to carry the heavy stuff.  Oh well, maybe I'll lose some weight (6ft and shrinking/expanding, 220#).

   Could carry 6 sheets or 1/2" drywall when in 20's, tend to only carry one at a time up stairs at a time now.  Did help in explaining to DW why I needed to buy a set of forks for the front end of the backhoe though <G>

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   Timuhler | Nov 13, 2006 07:25am | #37

   uh, that was the 10".  Still working on my grip so I can hold the chainsaw out in front of me. 

    

   The new all magnesium Big Foot 10" is easy to hold out in front, but don't tell anyone.

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   basswood | Nov 13, 2006 06:20am | #28

   I am another fan of the Hitachi 10" slider, but I don't need no stinkin' laser. ; )

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    woodguy99 | Nov 13, 2006 06:25am | #29

    Then you haven't tried it.  Everyone who tries it comes to like it.  But I'm not going to convince you.  You just have to try it.

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    basswood | Nov 13, 2006 06:48am | #31

    I was just kiddin'...my old Hitachi pre-dates the laser, if it ever dies--I will consider it.

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    alrightythen | Nov 13, 2006 06:52am | #32

    how do you like the laser?

    I was standing there when a guy was asking Gary what he thought of a laser. again he felt lasers are for framers.

    seriously...his point was the laser is so wbig compared to the little tik mark on a trim piece that gets cut, it blinds the mark so its hard to see. while lasers used in a framing capicty are quite useful. ( I guess for us framers- we need one)

    Edited 11/12/2006 10:55 pm ET by alrightythen

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    Timuhler | Nov 13, 2006 07:22am | #34

    I don't believe in evolution.

     

    But I see your point :-)  That is what my mentor Dave always said.  As soon as we got a forklift, he said we would atrophy.  The thing is, we still expend the same amount of calories and lift the same amount of weight, but we do it more safely and productively.

    Plus I still lift weights :-)

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   Shep | Nov 13, 2006 04:00am | #17

   I don't know how big you are, but I'm 6'2" and 250 lbs. and I'm a finish guy.

   But in my defence, I am gettin' too old for that framing stuff<G>

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   Timuhler | Nov 13, 2006 07:23am | #35

   5'7" and 206, but in my defence I'm a pretty decent point/shooting guard at the gym, although I haven't played in awhile.  I could grab the rim at 200 :-)

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   ClaysWorld | Nov 14, 2006 07:07am | #39

   Ya but everybody knows you guys only trim out the 9' ceilings and up McMansions.

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   Framer | Nov 13, 2006 05:09am | #21

   >> Although he can spot framers from a mile away because we are bigger than trim guys :-) or at least I am <<Tim,I think we might be thicker and stronger, but not taller......I got you by 1" little man........I'm Stallone's height and your Tom Cruise's height and don't forget I beat Cruise when I wrestled him in high school..........;-)Joe Carola

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   Timuhler | Nov 13, 2006 07:24am | #36

   Man, I don't like Tom Cruise and I'm pretty sure I could take him.  I'd fight dirty :-)

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   fingersandtoes | Nov 13, 2006 03:53am | #15

   Every trades that comes in before you are the idiots, and the ones that come after are the whiners.

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   dieselpig | Nov 13, 2006 03:58am | #16

   LOL... that's pretty much it, right there!

   I once heard that "everyone driving slower than you on the highway is a 'complete idiot'.  And anyone driving faster than you is a 'f#$king maniac"

   I guess it's all about perspective, huh?  View Image

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   danski0224 | Nov 13, 2006 02:52pm | #38

   What do you call a basement full of electricians?

   A whine cellar :)

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   Hainesportwoodworker | Nov 13, 2006 04:02am | #18

   Does it really matter? All the framers I see now don't even speak any english so the insult went right over their head. The framers that did speak english are now trying to keep afloat as finish carpenters

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   dieselpig | Nov 13, 2006 04:13am | #19

   LOL.... what a jackazz.  First you spoil a perfectly good thread with that crap.  And then in the process are dumb enough to conclude that they couldn't and aren't just as easily doing the finish work as they are the framing. 

    Did I miss the part where people who speak a language other than English are incapable of doing finish carpentry?

   Look, there's plenty of threads going where you can chime in with your infinite wisdom.  But this ain't it brother.View Image

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   mike585 | Nov 13, 2006 04:23am | #20

   Dude, You gotta the get the feel of the thread and go with it. We're not on that topic. We're talking about Framers vs. Trim guys, and who's tougher, and stuff like that. We're having fun.

    

    

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   alrightythen | Nov 13, 2006 05:20am | #23

   the framers we get from south of our border are americans and speak english just fine. ( cept when they say roof) ruff is what a dog says  :)

   Edited 11/12/2006 9:23 pm ET by alrightythen