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   briankeith | Mar 04, 2004 05:48pm | #1

   The first one is your octagon table, and it is magical.

   and the second is the essex board meassure table. Not nearly as important in today's price it by the board world.

   If you need more info on the Octagon table, let me know.

   If you need to figure the dimensions of an octagon, try this baby

   http://junior.apk.net/%7Ejbarta/octagon_layout/

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   rasconc | Mar 04, 2004 06:30pm | #2

   That's cool.  If you backtrack that link gets you to a free tutorial on how to build your own website at link below.

   http://www.pagetutor.com

   But try this one first:

   http://www.pagetutor.com/idiot/idiot.html

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   briankeith | Mar 04, 2004 06:44pm | #3

   I finally caught that little sucker.

   Thanks it is a rain out here in Missouri. I needed that extra something to do.

   Java is one of the things I have never messed with very much, except by the cup, that is.

   But you can do so pretty cool stuff with it.

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   BillHartmann | Mar 04, 2004 08:42pm | #4

   I see that you are a web page spy like I am.

   Whenever I see an interesting link I work up the chain to to see if there is more.

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   rasconc | Mar 04, 2004 08:51pm | #5

   I guess that's why my favorites list looks like the index to the encyclopedia.  I have to figure a way to move some of them around within the folders.  I have so much crap in there I can not remember what most of it is.

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   CapnMac | Mar 04, 2004 09:18pm | #6

   I have to figure a way to move some of them around within the folders. 

   Depends upon the browser.  Under IE, there is a kluugie way by clicking on "Organize Favorites" (it's under the "Add to Favorites" button).

   You can also Use My Computer and follow the links into Windows and into Favorites, where you can then drag-n-drop the links as needed.  A very good folder to create in one's Favorites is "Everything Else."  Absolutely do not forget that you can create folders within folders.  My Favorites has a folder called Construction.  In that folder are foldres for hardware, catalogs, Doors & Windows, etc.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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   rasconc | Mar 04, 2004 09:48pm | #7

   Thanks, I am usond MSN Explorer 7.  Will try to tree them a little more.  I use the organize function. Have folders, homebuild, handy stuff, forums, tool mines, on an on.  Gets so deep might as well google, have trouble remembering what I named sites.  CRS is rampant. :->

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   CapnMac | Mar 04, 2004 10:53pm | #8

   Gets so deep might as well google, have trouble remembering what I named sites.  CRS is rampant.

   Carefull, Marty will have to send you some CRS cure . . .

   More pratically, one of the thing you can also do is use the "Find" or "Search" feature sitting on the Start button.  This can also be a way to find that you have bookmarked the same site 3 or 4 times in different spots . . . Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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   rasconc | Mar 04, 2004 11:21pm | #9

   Thanks, I just begun to find the wonders Bill Gates has made for us :-).

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   toolbear | Mar 05, 2004 07:32am | #11

   Bee -

   If I understand you correctly, the  5 oooo 10 scale is for octagons and the 1-4, 1-6, 1-8, 1-10 is the board foot table.

   How do both of these work?

   TBear

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   briankeith | Mar 05, 2004 08:40am | #12

   Okay, I'll give explaining the two tables a shot.

   Bear with me, you will soon understand why I am not a teacher.

   First the Octagon table;

   For the sake of this we will make an octagon from a 8" x 8" square.

   (this is a full 8", okay?)

   Split each side in half, by making a mark on the edge at 4"

   Now using a circle compass or dividers or a tape measure(for the larger octagon) measure 8 dots. make marks from the on the edge center marks in both directions and do this on each side of your square.

   Connect the new marks and you will have an octagon.

   The table has a total of 65 dots, this allows you to make an octagon from a 65" square.

   I know that will be hard to follow, sorry.

   I will get out a square, a compass and my digital camera and get you some pics, tomorrow.

   The Essex Board measure table;

   This only works for 1" material, for 2" boards you must double your answer.

   This one is easy.

   The regular inch marks on the back of the body of the suare indicate the width of the board, so for a 1x8 we go to 8".

   Now go down to the 12" mark and below that you will find the numbers

   8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15 these are the numbers that you use to indicate the length of your board.

   So for example lets figure a 1x8x14.

   Go to 12' then down to 14(for the length)

   then follow that line back to the 8 (for the width)

   and we get an answer of 9/4

   that is 9-4/12 BF

   on the left of the vertical line is the whole numbers and on the right

   are the 12th of a BF.

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   Sphere | Mar 05, 2004 03:26pm | #13

   "Teacher!!!  Teacher!!!"  (hand waving wildly in the air)...What do we do with the "Hundreths scale????"  Do we need to use our compasses to clean the dirt outta little grooves and then file our nails?.....

   Actually I know..but you were doing so soooooo good...care to expound?

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   briankeith | Mar 05, 2004 05:55pm | #15

   I have always found the framing square to be a poor replacement to a fingernail file, so hard to carry in your pocket.

   We have to remember that the old framing square has been around a long time. There was a time that carpentry was a much more labor intensive trade. A fellow didn't need to be a math wizard to do the job.

   If you needed to know what .37" was on your wooden six foot rule, you could just go to the 100ths scale and measure it.

   Like the Essex Board measure table, just something to help the tradesman cheat a little.

   Been watching your progress on the homestead, looking good.

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   toolbear | Mar 05, 2004 04:14pm | #14

   Thanks very much for the explanation.  I think I have it.  Just in case, I have the print out.  Thus armed, octagons are toast!  Gazebos!  Board feet:  reach for the construction master 4.  They do want me to figure board feet of lumber in a 4 BR house, but I think I will build the formula into a spreadsheet.

   (Just tell Sphere to clear his desk and take out a clean sheet of paper for a pop quiz <g>.:  "Compare and contrast the foreign policy of Louis XIV to that of Charles II."  That question usually quiets them down a bit.)

   ToolBear

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   briankeith | Mar 05, 2004 06:03pm | #16

   "octagons are toast"

   Tear them up, Toolbear.

   The link in my first message to you is the greatest octagon toaster on the market.

   I will go ahead and make a couple of drawings to help explain the octagon table. The old saying " a picture is worth 1000 words" is certainly true here. Maybe 2000 of mine.

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   CapnMac | Mar 06, 2004 02:17am | #17

   to that of Charles II

   Can't resist asking:  Which Charles II?  England, France, Spain (pre or post Franco)?  My European History is a bit vague, but Beligium may have ad a King Charles, as well (and not the one in Paris or Madrid, either).

   <grin>

   Bit of royal trivia:  if the present Prince of Wales ascends to the throne, there is some thought that he cannot be Charles III Rex without offending Scottish nationalists. Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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   UncleDunc | Mar 06, 2004 03:17am | #18

   Offending Scottish nationalists strikes me as a remarkably attractive idea.

   Actually, Scotland has its own parliament now, and I think I heard somewhere that they are considering or have already started issuing their own currency. Maybe after 400 years it's time for the United Kingdom to wind up its affairs and disunite.

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   CapnMac | Mar 07, 2004 12:32am | #20

   Offending Scottish nationalists strikes me as a remarkably attractive idea.

   Not sure you could get Edward I to agree to that <g>  It only took two major uprisings and around 50 years to get "over" the problems of the sons of Jacob I Rex . . .

   Maybe after 400 years it's time for the United Kingdom to wind up its affairs and disunite.

   That would certainly solve part of the "Irish" question <g>.  Always struck me as slightly sad that the last truly united King was James II, able to legitimately sit on either throne.  Though Louis Mountbatten was a decent enough highlander in his way, even for being a Hessian <g>.

   I seem to remember the British Parliament saying that devolving a Scottish Parliament would save British money.  I do remember the furor of the opening of the Scottish Parliament, everyone was so overjoyed to have home rule, it seems doubtful if any one asked what it would cost . . .  Why, just the cost of printing up the ballots for the Slightly Silly (Scot's) Party alone could add up to ridiculous sums <sorry, had to say it, the pun was irresistible>Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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   toolbear | Mar 06, 2004 06:55am | #19

   Louis 14th's contemporary, Charles 2 of England.  It gets better.  Louis was paying Charles what is politely termed a "subsidy" (bribe, retainer) to make nice.  Charles did not have the money to not make nice.  Wars cost $$.  Parilment was not about to buy in.  It's nice to be paid for what you have to do anyway.

   TB

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   CapnMac | Mar 07, 2004 12:40am | #21

   Louis was paying Charles what is politely termed a "subsidy" (bribe, retainer) to make nice.  Charles did not have the money to not make nice.  Wars cost $$

   And being directy related by blood to the Tudors, Charles could have pressed the claim to Brittany, paid for in blood by two Edwards and a Henry.  That is, if he had a farthing or sou to his name to do so.

   Cool name trivia.  When the Stewarts found themselve in France, they had a dilemma, there was no "w" in French.  Thus, the name was restyled as "Stuart."Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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   toolbear | Mar 07, 2004 04:24pm | #22

   YOu might enjoy a French book about the 100 Years War entitled "Henry V - Scourge of God".  Their view on him is a tad different than the English one. 

   TB

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   CapnMac | Mar 08, 2004 12:54am | #23

   Their view on him is a tad different than the English one. 

   Would not surprise me.  They were still mad about Edward III using archers to mow down the french peerage as Plecey.  Then to have his grandson, with troops worn out from marching and disease, stop and take a stand.  Then to inflict something on the oder of 200 to 1 casualties, including a tussle of princes, on a well-rested french army.  Yes, that would want to be written from a differnt perspective.  Probably would want to feature how the diplomacy of marrying off one of the younger princesses "defated" a brash, young, English King (who soldiered from the front, so the soliquet before Agincourt was probably not so colorful as in WS's play . . . )Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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   JeffBuck | Mar 05, 2004 06:53am | #10

   I can use my farming square to build a web site?

   Wow ...

   I am underestimating that thing .....

   Jeff

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