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   BobKovacs | May 04, 2005 03:06am | #1

   I'd say it depends on  "why" they froze.  If they froze because you placed the shower control in an exterior wall without adequate insulation to protect the piping, I'd say you owe them a repair.  If you ran uninsulated lines in an open crawlspace, same thing.  If, on the other hand, they froze in an interior partition in a freak 100-year cold spell, that's a different story.

   Bob

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   JFK | May 04, 2005 03:14am | #2

   The pipes froze in an interior partion wall, however there are cabinets on one side of the wall and a closet on the other ie: indirect heated area. The winter was mild but the incident occured on the second day of a two day period of temeratures in the single digits and teens.

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   DanT | May 04, 2005 04:03am | #3

   Pipes typically won't freeze until about -20F unless there is a draft.  I can't imagine pipes freezing on an interior wall unless there is an unblocked opening into the attic space and into say a crawl space below that allows a draft to occure and thus freeze the pipes. 

   The insulators in our area always foam seal these opening in new construction to avoid just this type of issue.  DanT

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   DanH | May 04, 2005 04:58am | #4

   Something's dreadfully wrong there. No interior pipes should be freezing, period, especially not in balmy above-zero weather. Sounds like there was some sort of draft down from the attic or some such.

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   JFK | May 04, 2005 02:35pm | #5

   Thanks but I'm not looking for solutions (it is taken care of, hopfully). My question involves responsibility. Am I wrong to assume that this should be warrenteed?

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   TMO | May 04, 2005 03:33pm | #6

   What part of 'it depends' don't you understand?(Sorry for the tone but I'm not quite sure hbow else to say this)

    

   If you built it and think it should be warrantied then warranty it. If you're a homeowner pretending to be a contractor to get the inside dope it doesn't matter. It depends on what was wrong. Argue it out with your contractor.

   Edited 5/4/2005 8:33 am ET by TMO

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   stonefever | May 04, 2005 03:39pm | #7

   Well, my level of integrity tells me that the plumber has nothing to do with temperatures.  That's the responsibility of the carp/insulator/sider,etc. and the contractor as overseer.

   Even considering to get the plumber to cover this speaks more of the person.

    

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   maverick | May 04, 2005 07:04pm | #9

   First off, the problem in the eyes of the HO is shoddy workmanship. That reflects on you. 

   I dont understand why the plumber should be mad at anyone unless of course you expect him to fix it on his dime. Was'nt the plumbing done to code and inspected by the powers that be? If so its a heat loss/insulation issue that should have been overseen by the GC.

   Around here (CT) you are required by law to warrantee work a minimum of 1 year. To keep your good name you might want to take care of the problem.

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   DanH | May 04, 2005 07:15pm | #10

   It should be covered by someone. Who left the holes that resulted in the problem? Is this new work or remodeling?

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   MikeSmith | May 04, 2005 07:21pm | #11

   lessee.... it went thru one winter no freeze...

   it went thru a 2d winter , no freeze..

    then .. it freezes in the third winter ?

   why ?.... did they turn the heat off.. keep their thm'stat too low?..

   what made it freeze ?....

   that's where the responsibility lies...Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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   RichBeckman | May 04, 2005 05:01pm | #8

   Taking your post at face value.....

   "Now the plumbers mad at me because I warrenteed the repair even
   though he was compensated. Any thoughts?"

   If you paid the plumber, but didn't charge the homeowner, why on earth would the plumber be angry??

   "How dare you stand behind your work?!!"

   Rich Beckman

   Another day, another tool.