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   GHR | Apr 22, 2003 06:55pm | #1

   Clipped head nails meet the perscriptive codes.

   You might look for a document called "NER-272".

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   MikeCallahan | Apr 22, 2003 09:07pm | #2

   The rumor that clip head nails are not code is just another internet rumor perpetrated by amatuers dispensing unqualified advice. There may be a few misguided towns that have banned them but I have yet to see any real documentation. Someone on this forum said they were banned in California but that was a complete crock of s---.

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   CAGIV | Apr 22, 2003 09:10pm | #3

   While they are not against code here, I know a few inspectors that have frowned upon them, fallen way short of failing an inspection because of them, but they always comment, lawrence ks.

   But I suspect its the new inspectors getting on a power trip

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   AlanRoberson | Apr 22, 2003 09:34pm | #4

   Well, if you're worried about it, paslode does make roundhead nails (Roundrive brand) that fit into their clip head gun as well as any other 30 degree clip head gun.

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   Qtrmeg | Apr 22, 2003 09:34pm | #5

   They are required in some places, but mostly not.

   What is going on with the Senco thing is they have a promo, and their sales pitch is round heads are code all over. My brother just fell for this.  He called and asked me what was a good framer, and before I got back to him he had bought the Senco.

   Too bad, I am done buying Senco anything, but he got a "free" brad nailer. Too bad he won't be able to buy nails around here to save his life...

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   alecs | Apr 22, 2003 09:58pm | #6

   According to the amazon / toolcrib website, you can buy the 601 clipped head (really it's more notched than clipped) or the 602 round head and get the brad nailer free with either.  That's what I originally wanted to do.  However, the brad nailer they give you "free" only shoots 1.25" brads, which is too short for me. 

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   alecs | Apr 22, 2003 10:01pm | #7

   I did a little more research on the NER 272 document that was mentioned in this thread.  It's available at Senco's website.

   My question is, this whole clipped head / full head dispute, if it even exists, does it pertain to structural sheathing only, or to all manner of stick framing as well

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   slash | Apr 22, 2003 11:06pm | #8

   Alecs:

      The bottom line is ask your building inspector how he feels about clipped head nails. It really should not be a problem since nails are mostly used for shear, not pull out strength. Over-penetration is the problem with sheathing. Another topic of discussion with the building inspector is nail guage vs # penny. Shank diameters of nails driven by pnuematic nailers are not the same as hand driven nails.

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   GHR | Apr 22, 2003 11:45pm | #9

   If I recall, toward the bottom of NER-272 there are perscriptive nailing schedules for your typical framing situations. (I like the cute pictures.)

   If you need to do more extensive engineering the NDS for Wood Construction is a good source.

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   IMERC | Apr 23, 2003 03:45am | #10

   Teller and Elpaso counties Colorado. CH no. FRH yes.

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   KenRubin | Apr 23, 2003 04:51am | #11

   Our local code in Savannah, GA calls for round heads for new construction and authorizes clipped for anything else.... It's sillier than it sounds... But we are some 15-20 years behind on normal thinking here in Savannah..... Someone had too many mosquito bites I guess....  Call the inspections office in the city / county.  They will let you know what they are looking for... Probably not why !!

   Ken in Savannah.

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   ahneedhelp | Apr 23, 2003 05:30am | #12

   There is such a thing as a offset round head nails that can be loaded in Senco and Paslode.

   Ordered a box of stainless ring shank 30-deg nails from Swan Secure.

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   Taylorsdad | Apr 23, 2003 03:41pm | #13

   I can't answer your question about the nail head type code.

   But I can tell you that the experience I had at a Woodworkers Warehouse was similar to yours and at 2 different locations!  Moving forward, they would have to be the only game in town for me to ever step foot in one again.

   Bill

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   NickNukeEm | Apr 23, 2003 03:59pm | #14

   On the nail head issue, I recently picked up a new framing gun and chose a round head type so I wouldn't have to worry about some inspector's idiosynchrocies.

   On the Woodworkers Warehouse (Treadlines prior to reorganization) issue, we have 2 of them within 20 miles of my house and I visit them, more frequently than my DW would like.  The salemen (never any saleswomen, BTW) are always available and willing to help; I've never had the experience you described.  They are willing to lower their price if presented with a ligitimate offer from somewhere else.  My wife shops there at Christmas using a list I give her, and she has talked them down in the past.  But then, my DW could talk a glass of ice water from a person frying in he!!.

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   JDRHI | Apr 23, 2003 05:26pm | #15

   I think you`ve gotten your clipped head nail question answered....as for the Woodworkers Warehouse....I`ve been very disapointed with them lately....seems all they are interested in is competing with HD. The one in my locale no longer carries Bostich tools because they claim returns are a problem when dealing with Bostich. Overall their selection seems to have diminished....couldn`t purchase a "pistol grip" cordless drill there recently. They didn`t carry the Supersawzall. They used to concentrate on the pro.....not so any longer.

   Most of the power tools I buy now, I get from Amazon...prices are good and they seem to have everything. Unless I need it today, I order it online.

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