started a new job this week…… house built about ’85….added onto about 2000
new owners have 3 chilluns… so they need more bedroom space
here’s the exterior elevations
looking north…from the curb
to the right of the garage is the main entrance… again looking north
the entrance is into a Great Room….. here’s the right side…the East gable….with a 7/12 pitch
here’s the scene of the crime…to the left of the entry….looking West
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here's the south gable end wall of the area we are going to enlarge
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here's the north side ... the front of the new gable dormer will be hidden from view by the chimney
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inside... we enter thru the Great Room ...thru french doors , into the living room...looking up the main staircase... the narrow cathedral ceiling area to the left of the stairs is the back wall of the storage room we are going to enlarge
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here's the upper hallway....bedroom straight ahead... storage room to the left
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this is the garage...with the main beam... and a pull-down stair that will give us access without going thru the house
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day one was a half day... we mobilized ... moved our trailer.... oriented the guys
day 2 we started demo....
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the wall to the left is a main bearing wall... it extends into the attic and supports half the roof...... you can see the top of this wall in the pic below to the left.... where the insulation turns up
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here is how the change in roof heights was framed
on the other side of that is the north wall of the storeroom we are going to enlarge
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some more of the demo pics...looking south... the garage attic behind,,, you can see the pull-down stair opening
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and the high bearing wall ... the attic is behind this wall at the top
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we finished the demo and started the exterior framing
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just on the other side of the walk plank.. we stripped the shingles,
set our saw at 30 deg, snapped a line and made a saw cut for the front of our dormer
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we've stripped the shingles from the area where the south wall will start
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here's the gable end wall....( South Wall of new dormer ).... not pretty what water and cedar shingles do to Tyvek
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another pet peeve of mine.... lot's of builders insist on bringing the siding and trim right down onto the roof... the capillary action keeps everything soaked long enough to create rot
here the bottom shingles are all rotted.... i see premature siding /roof failure all the time because they won't hold the bottoms up 3/4"
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here's the north wall... setting on top of the roof extension
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Looks like a fun job I will be following along to see the finished product.
cool , Mike.
Friday we established our layout lines and started framing
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setting common rafters
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on the right we had to clip our commons because of the vertical gable end
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the forecast was favorable so we left the frame open for Friday night
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Its always interesting when you get a larger job.
Keep the shots coming.
Family.....They're always there when they need you.
the guys rearranged their schedule and we got back at it for Saturday morning
started sheathing so we could get some protection before 1 pm when they both had to leave
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we're sheathing with 5/8 T&G Advantech... the t&g is the easiest way to comply with our design wind load of 110 mph
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i'm thinking of pulling this roof all the way across the gable,,, for visual interest and to protect that gable end window
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we had a 20 x30 tarp to button up the job
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good view of the overlay rafters... we stopped here because we ran out of time... and the ridge area gets a little complicated... i gotta put my thinking cap on
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get back to it tomorrow, weather permitting
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Nice shots.
I hope you're going to fix that insulation while you're in the attic. A good overblow of cells should help a bunch.John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
it's in the specs... we're going to build a 12" high catwalk and blow 12" cells over the topMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I like the idea about extending that roof line across the gable end. It'll help the new dormer blend in and look original.No Tag
well, that clinches it for meMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I like the idea too but want to know how you will finish the roof line where it runs into the other end of the gable roof line because the lower one comes out farther than the main gable roof. Just curious of the way you would finish it, cant really see how to make it blend togeter, could see it if new roof overhang was the same or shorter, but not when the new overhang is longer than the one coming down from above. Anyways would love to see what you come up with, maybe its not a big deal?
i don't know yet.... talked to the Owner... she said she'd leave it up to me
here's a better pic of the whole gable
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then up on top ... the north pitch would dump into a damming situation... so we are pulling the higher roof over onto the pitch to bury the valley
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here's the hip off the new peak
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and one of the ladders for the gable overhang
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and a view at the end of the day
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i don't know yet.... talked to the Owner... she said she'd leave it up to me
here's a better pic of the whole gable
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About 2 ft to the left of the window might look nice.............
gorgeous day... Helen & i were at the polls at 7..always see a few people i haven't seen in years
then back to work..... time to open the roof
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we stuck a temporary strut under each rafter...then chopped it out
here you can see the ceiling of the bathroom below
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a closer look at the ceiling area
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here you can look down into the family room
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we stood a sheet of plywood up in each corner to make a shear panel
and the horizontal sht is holding up the rafter ends now... we'll frame the gable wall tomorrow
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here's the north corner....same detail..... but this one is notched around that raised gable end
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here you can see the rake ladder
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here's the East elevation at the end of election day, you can see the ply sheets we'll turn into shear panels
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and the SE perspective.... you can see the overlay valley
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eric... still thinking about this...
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You're thinking of bailing I think.
Can't see how you would pull it all the way to the rake.
2ft to the left of the window. Fishscales above?
Quite a mess down below with that shed thingy there..............
I like the shed roof in gable idea. I think it may help hide the fact that the window is off center in the gable.John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
another good pointMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I'm curious/alarmed about the Tyvek pic...do you suppose ALL the cedar shingle walls are in the same shape as the area you pulled above the roof/wall intersection?
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notice they didn't get the tyvek up under the rake trim.... so that's bad installation...
i don't like Tyvk... but i think the installers don't help the situation either
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today was gable end frame so we can close this gaping hole
ran a triple stud under the ridge to help give it more rigiidity... also give us 4 1/2 " between the windows
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and the sheathing
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and papering in with 15 lb. felt
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Hey Mikey -
What are you drying the roof in with? Looks like titanium.View Image
it's called Rex......Titanium is better
i still like RoofTopGuard II.....but it seems hard to getMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
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Mike,
Looking at this photo now, I am curious as to why you did not just run the fascia on the left into the rake on the adjoining gable? Just push back the dormer wall a bit?
i was worried about bearing paths if i pulled the wall to the left... i knew i had good bearing by just continuing the existing gable end...
and they had zero trim overhang on their gable rake trim... i like a lot of overhangMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
That makes perfect sense. Has I taken the time to study the problem a little closer I should have been able to figure that out.
Maybe it's time to re-do all the rakes on the house.
Looks like most of the shingles are in pretty bad shape.
Complicated little project you have there. You seem to have a good crew.
Mike,You just gave me some inspiration. I have an addition on the drawing board right now. The house is a cross between a colonial and a cape (and not a very good cross at that). They want a garage with living space above, and I'm wrestling with the fact that the existing has no rake overhang. I think the addition's massing will be appropriate with an overhang and I like it from a durability POV.I see that you're doing the same thing, so I'm going to be brave and go for it!
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Dumb question. What is that tapered metal beam running across the front? Thanks. Looks great, by the way.
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Maybe I need to get out more, but all AL walkboards that I'm used to seeing are and even ~6" thick. Mike's looks like it is thicker in the middle.Am I optically deluded, or do I just need to get out more?
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It's probably pretty old. I had one a long time ago that was fat in the middle like that. IIRC, it was about 3" at the ends and 5" in the middle. Pretty strong, but lighter than comparable picks. PITA to haul.View Image
http://planks.scaffolds.us/aluma_wood_planks.htmlApparently they are still made.
Can you imagine that 24" x 32' MONSTER???
175 lb.
WOWThe best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
yes... it"s a Stinson 24' ... i think it's rated for 300 #..... so we watch what or who we're putting on it...
it's very light so it's great for hauling into hard- to -get- to locations
it's probably about 25 years since we bought it new
we store it indoors whern it's not in useMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Interesting. AL channel structure with wood deck?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
yes , they make them like an aircraft wing
the ply is marine plywood... the joint was delaminating ... so we fiberglassed it about 10 years ago
they don't take the abuse that the heavy aluminum ones taks... and you can't loa them up... but i can't handle out 20" x 24' alum-a-pole planks by myself.. but i can pick this one upMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I'm with you mike,I would never put tyvek on my own house
Clearly, the tyvek is stained, but does that mean that it's lost its ability to repel water?
I don't want to resurrect the tyvek vs cedar debate, but I thought you might be able to tell if this particular tyvek would no longer be doing its job. Also, this tyvek is either 8 or 23 years old (house built in 1985, addition in 2000). Do you know which?
this tyvek is either 8 or 23 years old (house built in 1985, addition in 2000).
They been making Tyvek that long? Jees, I'm getting old.
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Didn't Chief help you figure what to to with that roof return? ;-)
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"A stripe is just as real as a dadgummed flower."
Gene Davis 1920-1985
i haven't gone back to the plan... i'm working on another plan for a different job
but , yes... Chief would be a good place to work it out
or ... now that we're there.. we could just build it
how you doing with Chief ?Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Professor Smith,
Thanks for making me learn what a rake ladder is.
Question about yours. Is the last rafter spacing a bit wider by design, or is that an optical illusion?
Thanks,
Steve
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'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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steve... good catch
i laid out from the edge of the plywood... the rake was 12" overhang from the gable end rafter
so my first common rafter was 32" from the outside... then i laid out at 16" oc
so that first bay is what , 20" ... using 5/8 T&G ply roof sheathing , i didn't have a problem with 20"
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the plywood wall, bottom right, is supporting the rafter ends that were cut off
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on the other side it looks like this
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and... back inside, it now looks like this
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that roof underlayment ..... Rex....here's what it looks like
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most of the excess plywood sheathing has been cut back
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the bearing wall is being extended up to the new rafters
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cutting off another rafter
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laying out the cathedral ceiling / collar ties
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and it's mate...
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Roy is certainly looking svelte.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Thanks Mike.Keep up the good work. I learn more than you can imagine from threads like this.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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finished cutting out the excess roof and started framing the cathedral ceiling... ran a false ceiling ridge and tied the ceiling joists from wall to the opposite roof rafter
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the ceiling joists are further supported by the 2x4 hangers from the rafters
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the ceiling will end at the bearing wall
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Mike, I'm curious
when you put in a ceiling like that, do you have an engineer OK it or you do you just go with what you feel will work? Not challenging you, just wondering. In other words, how do you know that design is just as dependable as typical rafter ties would be?
the ties are nice, but not needed.... there is a structural ridge
if it were more complicated, or it raised a red flag.... the BI would make me get it engineered
lot's of things we do are based on previous jobs that had engineeringMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Will this job get Mooney'd?
Nice work as always. I like that you built over the old and then removed the old from inside.
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
yes.... we're going to do some 2x6 mooney on the eave walls... should be funMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I like how you framed the bearing wall to the rafters. Never seen it done that way before. It's fun to see differences in how things are done!!!!!!!
Mike, I am enjoying this thread, even though I haven't commented before!!
yes... i was reviewing some things the owner wanted after a meeting yesterday...
i might get into the third layout .. of what to do nextMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
cool
yesterday the guys started running the roof trim... 1x6 Miratec... with an Alcoa ProBead vinyl soffit / rake
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and we stripped the area over the gable end window so we can frame the pent roof tomorrow
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Chuck worked on the window / pent roof
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and Roy worked on the boxed cornice returns
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After viewing these photos, all I can say is, wow! And for putting so much work into posting, may I be among those who send a tip of the hat to a consumate professional. Love your work. Love your post. Thank-You!
Roy & Chuck finished the roof trim / soffitts
here's the south gable with the new pent roof over the window
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furred out for the soffit
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we use 1 1/2 " clear so the trim will finish about 3/4 ' off the asphalt shingles
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here's the main gable
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and a detail of the cornice return flashing
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Keep it up Smitty and yu'll get the boot too, I'm warning ya..no more embedded pics! The dial ups own us now.. (g)Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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They kill Prophets, for Profits.
Hey Mikey - I've got a cornice return detail for you that will make your life easier and keep you from face nailing. I'll post a sketch latter when I get down to the office.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
good -o.....that one was Roy's version....
mine would be different..bet yours will be the cat's whiskersMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
it is looking great Mike.No Tag
I've heard of contractors leaving their levels on the job almost as a dare to the homeowner to have them pick it up and see just how good the contractor is at getting everything plumb and level.
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why , that Roy !... wait'll I see himMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
OK Mike - had 6 people off today - had to do some filling in here and there. Rain started about 3pm and got me off the hook.
Here's the blank for the return roof:
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Use standard "off the shelf" drip edge to match your coil stock or copper. Install it to the side and bottom 1st.
Bend the red down (1/2") and under and lock it to the flange on the drip edge. Bend the blue up (2"+-) 90 degrees. Bend the purple up (2"+-) to match the angle between the primary roof and the return roof. Nail to the wall.
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yes... exactly...
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So, you guys taking the week off?http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
funny you should ask... tonite was date nite..
yesterday we framed some partitions then went to build a desk top at another job
kinda cold yesterday, but not bad
here's the partitions... we moved the hall wall
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and built the new walk-in closet
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today was bitter..... we went from 50 on Sunday.... to 28 and windy today
Window day.... here's Chuck taking down the poly...
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and checking the operation and margins
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while they worked the windows, i started ripping mooney... bought culls from my lumberyard... 2x8.... 8/24' for $40
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we've tried lot's of ripping methods, tablesaw..... wormdrive 8 1/4... but a small sidewinder with a good blade is as fast as we've found
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hey... there's the permit !
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and here's the mooney installed... the eave walls are 2x6.... first time we've done 2x6 mooney
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and the mooney on the other walls, the gable is our usual 2x4
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'nuther dumb question...What's "mooney?"
eldan.... you can google "mooney wall"...
anyway.... we nail 2x2 horizontally..... staple & glue insulmesh to it... then blow dens-pak cellulose into the space... it gives a very small thermal break
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named after the late , great, Tim MooneyMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Um...Mooney's not really late, is he?
um, no.....but he is among the missing...
dratMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I don't think he is booted or missing.
Spotted in the days since the change began.
Phew, I was hoping that's what you meant.
yesterday was occupied bedroom window day...
we're adding a triple casement to the south wall of the first floor bedroom...stripping the exterior
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open up the drywall
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grace pan on the sill
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made an access hole so we could get our gun nails into the header thru the king stud
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here's some of the foam / nailer... there's a 2x8 header above this.... held to the inside... 2" of foan on the outside....... these 2x2 nailers pad the header down so this window is the same ht as the west winsow
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and 2:30........done !
so we can pick up our drop cloths and put the furniture back
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Getting decent breaks in the weather as planned?A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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dancing between forecasts...
gotta go to a zoning meeting for another clientMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Good deal Mike. Part of the experience, knowing when you can open the bedroom up to the world.
figuratively speaking.
Mention to Helen, Joyce got the string curtains.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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tuesday was Insulmesh day...here's the cathedral ceiling at the attic side...staple up... then fur
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and the gable end....
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where the 4 windows are meeting , we used 1/2" ply extension jambs with 2" foam
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the board hangers can fasten the rock with long screws
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the mooney forms a sub-sill... and the grace has been turned up into a pan
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I can't remember exactly, but doesn't the insulmesh on the Mooney wall go over the furring? Any reason you put the furring over the insulmesh on the ceiling? No thermal bridging to worry about, more concerned about keeping all the insulation in?
yes...on the mooney WALL, the mesh gets glued & stapled to the mooney stripsbut on a ceiling / attic the urring helps support the mesn / insulation...it also gives us a 3/4 space for the mesh to sag before it interferes with the gypsum boardMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
'nuther dumb question...What's "mooney?"
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Wednesday , Roy & Chuck blew the attic.....
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and here's the dam we built around the air handler
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then they glued the mesh so we can blow the walls on Friday
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the way they like to do it.... roy runs the nozzle, while chuck runs the hopper
this our 1980 US Fiber machine with a Hurricane blower and 100 ft. of hose...we need two separate circuits to run this
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Friday they blew the cathedral ceiling... that's the ceiling fan box
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we blew the ceiling 24" thick / deep
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for the Mooney walls we use a 45 deg one inch copper bend to reduce the nozzle, when you pull the nozzle out of the wall, all you have to do is put your finger overit to stop the flow
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btw...in the attic, we didn't have enough hose to reach all the way, so roy stuck our 1 1/4 " vacumn hose on the end....worked great...atta boy, Roy !
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this is our first 2x6 Mooney wall.... worked fine, just used a lot more material
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had this job figured for 108 bales, but we have to buy it in 40/bale pallets... so it looks like when we finish on Monday it should be about right... the last wall is the one we led the hose thru.. so we still have to close it and glue the mesh
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Mike,
Thanks for another great thread. I have the same Giesken Cellulose hopper as you, same blower, too, except mine has two blowers if you want to run two guys at the same time. I recently did a large building with 2x6 and mooney walls. To speed up filling and ensure complete filling I tried different nozzles and methods. I have settled on this:
Regal sells a 2" x 48" aluminum tube nozzle with a 45 deg slice on the discharge end. Fits standard 2 1/2" hose. The cut end of the tube is sharp enough to easily pierce thru the insulmesh wherever you want to while you are filling. No pre-cutting the fabric. The nice thing about the 4 foot tube is you can poke it in and slowly withdraw it as the cavity fills. It seems to require fewer holes than a shorter nozzle. Easy to get total dense packing in all locations of the cavity. The cells do not leak out of the insulmesh where the tube has pierced while you are filling. The downside compared to your hold-your-finger-over-the-end method is that we have to turn off the blower at the end of each filling (typically once each stud cavity) I have remote control switches mounted on the hose end of the tube. You do have to wait for the blower to spool down for a few seconds before you pull the tube totally out, but it is not too bad.http://www.regalind.com/techPDF/regalwall_installation.pdfAlso, for attics, I typically use a line laser on a little adjustable stand I built to make the filling easier and more uniform, especially hard in dark attics. Set it up at the "escape" point, a horizontal laser line 20" or whatever above the ceiling below, start filling at the far end, fill till the cells light up red, then advance toward the laser. Works great.
Dick
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dick.....good info !
were your mooney walls 2x6 or 2x4 ? this was our first 2x6 mooney...i was impressed...easier to get higher density...and we're calculating a true R-25
... a while ago we were discussing 2x8 mooney (R-32 ) in talking about super insulated houses
... for new construction , i'd push hard for it... i think i'm going to push for 2x6 mooney as our standard for additions
do you do insulation for your own jobs or for other contractors ?Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,
This was a 2x6 wall. We used 1x3 strapping horizontally. With the 2x6, there is less justification for the 2x2 and the labor to rip them. I think this is a good compromise, all things considered. We only do our own projects (would go broke working for others!)Dick
we still think the benefit of the 2x2 is the greater thermal break...in or 2x4M, we get 5" ... in our 2x6M, we get 7" ... and in the 2x8M.... 9"
i know what you mean about doing it for others... i can't conceive of insulation companies going to these extents... i'll do some material / man-hour costing and see how it compares to your numbersMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike
This was out first Mooney job. I will use it again every time it makes sense. But it is labor intensive when you add it all up (dealing with electrical boxes, extension jambs,insulmesh stapling and gluing, etc.) but I like doing the best job possible and having it under my control. I have to admit I planned to rip up some 2x2s for this job, as you have shown in your previous great discussions, but the day came, the table saw was on another job, this big pile of nice 16 ft strapping was right there, ... In any event, the walls ended up nice and straight for drywall; 2x2 could have been tougher.I look forward to your analysis, but it seems we are pretty far up into the diminishing returns when we use 2x6 walls--depending on the other building details, especially windows. Whether the cells are 5.5 +.75= 6.25 with strapping or 5.5 + 1.5= 7 inches with 2x2 may not be very important. On some jobs it may, depending on the owner's objectives and budget.By the way, the thing I like about the Regal tube is you can fill the 2x6 walls faster, esp if you play with the blower's mixture setting. I think by being able to withdraw the tube as the cavity dense-packs, you don't need the high airflow/lean mixture which takes so long to fill.Take care,
Dick
MikeI enjoy the pictures and the commentary. The strapping on the walls is placed over the insulmesh? My eyes aren't what they used to be.The 2 x 6 walls finish off at what r value?The 24" in attic finishes off at what R value?Could you fill a 8" wall 16" wide by 20'? Would it settle?Have you had any problems with moisture being absorbed into insulation?How difficult is it to blow this in?Could you blow walls with insulmesh on both sides, or do you need one wall sheeted?ThanksGreg in Connecticut
well, the 2x4 walls are 18... so add 7 to that....R-25the 24" settles to about 20" ( it's not Dens-Pak ).... so figure R-60 to R-70as to a 2x8 wall.... ( 16" oc )...... after blowing te 2x6 wall, i have a lot of confidence that we can do a 2x8 wall.... which will be R-32there is a guy in Vermont that blows 12" walls and says no settling..you can blow walls with Insulmesh on both sides... but you will have to be more careful with patting it flat before you hang boardand no problem with moisture.... just as long as you have no leaks and don't overwhelm the system... as with any insulationblowing cells is not difficult, but it is a 2 peson job.... and the preparation is keyMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
MikeI appreciate the quick reply. I have a metal building I am interested in, that is insulated with fiberglass batts covered in a white vapor barrier. If I add a 5 1/2" stud wall, then blow in insulation, my vapor barrier will be in between the insulation areas. This is going to be a shop (office), and I do not anticipate a lot of additional moisture. Does this sound like a recipe for disaster?Greg in Connecticut
just quick thinking here... not a deep analysisthe vapor barrier is too close to the dew point area of the wall..
the thing about cells is they can absorb a lot of moisture before they become a condensing surfaceso they will absorb during high moisture periods and release moisture during low moisture periodsa condensing surface buried in the wall will not absorb anything. it will just condense.. then the moisture will dribble down the vapor barrier and lay on the sillMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
the guys keep a bale count for each different section...
on the 2x6 Mooney South wall we got 3.0 lb/cf.... better than we usually get with the 2x4 walls
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on the 2x4 Mooney gable end we got 2.7 lb/cf....the plaster estimator was here today.... we determined that we can boom the board in if we take the stops off the Andersen casements
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here's the west / attic wall... the to of the cells are 12" over the 2x8 ceiling joists....the top of the cells is even with upper horizontal framing.... right below that future access panel
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that old closet bearing wall is 3/8 out of plumb.... however, the butts of the ceiling joists are plumb... so.... we shimmed the studs with shingles to help the board bridge the gap
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outside, we're stripping to get ready for new siding
looks like the old vent was leaking over the years
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that's our old 14" x 24' Stinson walk plank
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Mike, does the homeowner like that new little roof over that window? Just wondering.
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yes, she loves it
josh.... we left the tyvek on (fullof holes ) , except where we wanted a bond with the GraceMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Roy & Chuck shingled around the new first floor window.... no trim ..to match the other window nearby
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and then trimmed the windows on the gable end... different view .. i always prefer to case the windows and install false sills
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while they were doing that i started shingling the rake
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and Friday morning they started shingling the gable
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Hey Mike - if you get a chance, post a pic of the cornice return roof and shingle junction. That detail seems to confuse a lot of carps around here, especially the "keeping the water out" part.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Grant,
You'll get a kick out of how the vinyl crew is " keeping the water out " of these returns !!
Putting on a standing seam roof on a bay area on this new house.
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I see a little bare wood there don't I? They need to go back and retake Folding 101.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
The only thing they care about folding is the green .
End of hijack Mike
Besides the OBVIOUS no-no's is that a NAIL in Pic 2 ? out towards the front corner?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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2 things immediately jump out at me.
The bottom of the rake metal in pic #1 looks like it was cut with a chainsaw.
In that inside corner, might as well stick in a funnel.
Thanx for the chuckle.
DavidThe best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
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you're scarin me now.... hope we get it rightMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,Great work as usual.Question for you. How come cedar siding doesn't get the same breathing strip backing that roofing requires?Thanks,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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steve... i don't understand your question... "breathing strip backing "?
are you talking about the underlayment vs. the 15 lb felt ?Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Could be that I'm confused. I thought cedar roof shingles were fastened to a lath-like strapping so that they could dry from below. Wondered if that same principle applied to sidewall shingling as well.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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this roof will be asphalt architectural shinglesif it were cedar roofing, i'd spec either "cedar breather" or skip sheathingsome apply cedar sidewall on the same system...but i've never bought into that in our climateMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Thanks Mike,Now, what makes the idea of breathing behind the roof different than the sidewalls when dealing with cedar? Less moisture accumulation on the vertical plane?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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in our climate.... cedar roof shingles , especially at relatively low pitch roofs ( say 6/12 )... spend a lot of tme wet... and get wet all the way thru... it's only wood, after all
if they have the ability to dry to the back , as well as to the front... they will get dry enough, for long enough periods to not support rot
sidewall shingles shed water so fast that they don't get wet all the way thru...
one exception is where sidewall is in contact with pitched or horizontal surfaces... they suck up water by capillary action and rot out fast.... always perturbs me when i see it.... usually done by well meaning carps who think that's the way it's supposed to be
we always make our flashings high enough so we can hold the butts at least 3/4" above the surface.... others do this too... but get criticized because everyone can see the shiny silver aluminum....to avoid that we cut all our flashings from colored coil stock, which has the added advantage of being more corrosion resistant and a thicker guageMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Thanks. That gives me a clear understanding. Appreciate the patience in answering my questions!'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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it helps me to keep my thinking straight and anticipate the next problem..... so, thanks for askingMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
"we always make our flashings high enough so we can hold the butts at least 3/4" above the surface.... others do this too... but get criticized because everyone can see the shiny silver aluminum....to avoid that we cut all our flashings from colored coil stock, which has the added advantage of being more corrosion resistant and a thicker guage"
Well, since you mentioned it ... when you get a chance please post a picture of this detail.
As always, great work and great thanks to you. I always look forward to your "blog" posts and pictures.
Phil
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
one exception is where sidewall is in contact with pitched or horizontal surfaces... they suck up water by capillary action and rot out fast.... always perturbs me when i see it.... usually done by well meaning carps who think that's the way it's supposed to be
we always make our flashings high enough so we can hold the butts at least 3/4" above the surface.... others do this too... but get criticized because everyone can see the shiny silver aluminum....to avoid that we cut all our flashings from colored coil stock, which has the added advantage of being more corrosion resistant and a thicker guage
another great thread Mr. Smith...
regarding the cedar butts above roofing, here in B.C. it is code to
raise any organic siding 2'' above the roof surface...
this code is often ignored here as well...
I would think it would be code (mostly ignored) in your area as well
as are codes are more the same than different...
regards
I've never used cedar for siding or shingles, but I can kinda spot the new vs the old
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LOL, you're lucky you didn't have a picky HO. They might have requested you pull all the old ones and alternative new and old.
How long for the new ones to pretty much blend in, 6months to a year?
jt8
A year from now you may wish you had started today. -- Karen Lamb
far as i know.... they never do...
part of the "charm " of old white cedar ( and red cedar , for that matter ) houses is they all have that calico lookMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Looks good Mike.
Phalen favors Helen I think.
fine looking lad
happy and prosperous new year to you and yoursNo Tag
chuck took a long weekend.... but roy kept plugging away at the built-ins.....
corner with desk
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the mooney allows us to pocket screw the uprights
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chuck got the task of figuring out how to make the flip-up stair section work with piano hinge.. the owner really wants storage access under the platform
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and flipped up..... looks like it'll work great
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Is that where they go to hide from the inlaws?
jt8
God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. -- Voltaire
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got the stairs done with the flip-up section....here's the owner and her assistant, Jack....checking out the operation
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and the opening
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here's the corner unit
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I've been a member here for years but have not logged in for a year or so (at least). I have had some huge life affecting changes in my life the past few years.
As always your works looks great Mike, I've always admired it.
I just finished framing a house right next to one of yours that you blogged your way through here and got the chance to go by and check it out (from the outside). I was the lead on the Bishop's boat house, something which I was almost shied from saying. Great house / building, bad circumstances. Needless to say I do not work for that contractor anymore.
This was the construction stage when I quit...
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It's good to be back in the breaktime forum, sometimes I feel like I waste too much time online but can legitimately say here I do not feel like I am wasting any time.
nice looking job.... i drive by it often.. that was a good street for me... i had 3 different jobs on that street
the last time i got to quote work on the bishop residence is when the former owner had it... ramsey wetherill
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I really had my work cut-out (excuse the pun) on that project.
For the longest time I had one inexperienced framer / helper and that was it! He is a good friend of mine though so he got to learn a lot. The other house going up at the same time (the "summer cottage!!!") had countless subs and helpers and went up much much quicker. They also didn't have to deal with the architectural and engineering changes I had to deal with though. When I finally got more help I was sent another good friend of mine who worked for the same company (he still does). We share very very different ideas and ethics when it comes to work. That lasted a while but was the last straw for me and I left the company to save my sanity and friendship. As I said, I learned a lot there. WIsh I could've seen it through to the end though.
Oh yeah and I seen you drive by a bunch ;-)
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Chuck brought in his boy's new wagon to show off what his step-father built for Charlie & Dylan..... this has dual wheels in the back and spring shock absorbers on each wheel.... those dark streaks are in-lay work
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thursday , the painters were inside.... so "we" went down in the basement to dig and install a sump pump........outside on Friday
here's the piping.... tied into a 4" drain line that will also take the downspout that was puddling this area
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and the drain-to-daylight only had to go about 20'.... luckily, the frost was only about 3"
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the original Bilco had rusted thru.... so we're replacing that......here Roy is applying butyl tape before we set the frame
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and all that's left is finish paint and shingling
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inside the painters were priming the new built-ins
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some more of the painting.....
northeast....
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by Saturday..... most of the snow has melted off the roof....looks encouraging for roofing next week
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then, of course, Mother Nature has other plans..... this is 10 am today ( Sunday )..
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oh, well..... got a basement to remodel on Tuesday
sure is hard to putt on the greens in this stuff
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Hey Mike, it's 18 here and dig this..........
not snowing.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
You just need a few of these
http://www.bimbambanana.com/index.php?p=golf_gadgets_flashing&side=visProd&prod_id=347Question on your desk setup there. I'd be afraid of banging my elbows with the desk surface set lower than the cabinets abutting it. Is there more room in that corner than appears in the photo?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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i got two of those flashing balls in my bag.... we always find a few after the glow-ball tournaments
whatssa matter, you ain't got elbow pads ?
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Sounds good. I'll be curious to see them. I have some funny-bone memories of banging my elbows on a corner like that. Guess I shouldn't treat office time as hockey practice.Platform looks nice. Just spent a week on a similar set up and it was quite comfy.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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I have some funny-bone memories of banging my elbows on a corner like that
That was in the old days. Nowadays that modern dee-vice called the comp-you-ter (you wouldn't know anything about that, tho', would you?) sits on the desktop, and the keyboard, where all the elbow action takes place, sits on the pull-out tray. Just my guess, anyway!"...craftsmanship is first & foremost an expression of the human spirit." - P. Korn
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here's what the sump looks like....
that's the "clunkless check-valve"
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when we dug the sump....we found ground water at about 10" under the floor..... and there was a good interior 4" drain system set in crushed stone..... so... as long as the pump works, we should be good-to-go
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I thought our weather was bad. I don't know if I could live up by you guys.
Project Looks like you guys don't waste a min when there.
I just found this thread this morning.
October 17th, 2009
Jeremy and Lisa
Was there ever any doubt?
Do you ever have problems with an exterior sump freezing in your climate?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
not if it's below the frost line..... but this sump is in the basement.... so freezing is not in the cardsMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Another interesting read about one of your projects.Just out of curiosity, would it make sense to have a cleanout of some sort in the drain line since it serves both the downspout and the sump pump? Would hate to have a sump pump line back up because of some leaves in the downspout.When I tied one of my downspouts and a drain on my patio into underground drainage piping, I used one of NDS' pop-up emitters at the outlet. Has worked real well so far in the 8 months it's been installed. Keeps the outlet pipe from being a tripping hazard and source of erosion since it just sits in the lawn.http://www.ndspro.com/cms/index.php/6-DRAINAGE/POP-UP-EMITTERS.html
that would be a good idea.....
here the outlet is open and only a 20' run.....with a plastic strainer on the endMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
went away and did a basement remodel... while we were waiting for the snow to clear the roof
came back and finished the Bilco...
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then went back to the south gable
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finished it up ......
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so here's what the outside looks like now.... talked to the roofer today... he's hoping for a thaw and a late week start
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inside.... the painter is just about done with the new room... the owner decided she wanted the wall color to carry thru the back of the built-ins
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Mike, can't your roofer just sweep the snow and go to town. If we waited for thaw, we would loose half of the year!!
Looks very nice!
he does that all the time on 4/12......6/12
his choice.... i'm in no hurry..... i'm here until the painter gets out of the way of the carpet guy....
if the roof gets done before the carpets then nothing is being held up
this house is VERY occupied.... very hard for the painter and carpet guy to work
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roofer finally arrived....in spades.....14 guys..3 trailers
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stripping....and reroofing
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and ice & water and clean up and flashing and underlayment and shingling and....
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unbelieveable....
yet everyone seemed to know exactly what they were suppposed to be doing....these guys were pretty eager to get to it....
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a couple had been plowing snow with the company trucks but most had been laid off
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the ground guys were running heaters to thaw the shingles....
and passing things up and down
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that's the boss in blue...i think he's 42..... been in the business about 6-7 years
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seem to all work well together
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one of the neighborhood dogs inspecting the equipment trailer
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and some last minute clean-up...
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so....that's it...... 39 sq.......strip & reroof.......2 days
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NICE!!!!
Get-r-dun!!!
one of the neighborhood dogs inspecting the equipment trailer
Just as long as the neighbor hasn't trained the dog to carry off tools ;)
jt8
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Everything looks real nice Mike.
Like the pent up roof.
Bakers' dozen of roofers? that is a lot of azzes and elbowsNo Tag
That's all that matters then, definately not my opinion since i'm not paying the bill :) your work looks good as usual.
12 degrees this am
Chuck was waiting for the trim
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that Roy was cutting and priming
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here's our tablesaw
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Sitting on an AL pic is a good way to cool off on a balmy 12° morning.
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also yesterday was board day...
the plan was to bring the 12' sheets thru the window ...we knew we had 49" diagonal if we took the stops off
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but the 12' sheets would't come thru the winow in a 10' room.... so they brought them thru the front door
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and up the stairs.... lucky it was only 32 sheets
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they were all hung before noon
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this is the same board crew we worked with on our last 3 jobs... they had the board upstairs by 10.... and were down the road by noon....(32 ) 12' sheets....5 guys
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box-out for the ceiling fan
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and the gable window wall
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Really loving this thread Mike. Thanks for an early Christmas present.The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
Been enjoying this post from the start. Nice work. I'm sure the owners are getting excited now.
Just one criticism though. That box-out for the ceiling fan...it might look better if you just extended the horizontal part of the box up to the ceiling so instead of a box sticking out, you would have a prism tucked into the peak.
stoopid question from a California guy - how the heck to you prime in 12 dgree weather??? with a trowell?
it's an oilbase primer... and the choice is prime in bad conditions....or don't primeMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
today started cold but got up to 53 by lunch...back to shingling the gable end
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here's the cornice return
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here's the black coil stock.... the shingles go behind ..and over
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there is also grace under the coil stock and over the top... flash / counterflash
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here's a closeup of the breakflash and the butts held up 3/4.... the Trex sill, and the Miratech trim
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we use this 7/8 J-channel , the Alcoa vinyl Pro-bead soffit a lot
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here's a long view ...
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inside , the plasterers were putting on the scratch coat..
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and....
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New saw ehhh?
I'm going on five years with my Bosch, still going strong and as accurate as the day I bought it... though a bit worse for the wear.
Things are looking good as usual Mike.
think we got it about a year ago to replace the PCMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Awesome as always, I really enjoy reading your posts and seeing your pictures.
plaster was finished yesterday
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and the other part of the room
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guys were staging the high gable
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Rain kept threatening... finally at lunch we went over to my house to add some more insulation to the attic
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this attic has a center cupola.... and catwalks thru the trusses... chock full of 20 years of memories
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first step was getting everything out... including my old army gear
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the old catwalks were chock-a-block.. but we got everything out
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building new storage areas and extending the PropaVent so we can add about 12" to the existing 12" we installed in '85
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some people just have to try everything on that comes out of the attic....especially my old helmet liner..... like Phalen
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even Helen
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Green is not Helen's color!>G<
rain all day again....so we finished reinsulating my attic....lucky for us...this US Fiber machine breaks down into 2 pcs small enough to thru a 2/4 door
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we used 40 bales (25 lb. )
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before we cleaned up....looked like this
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after...all cleaned up...with our new storage areas in the trusses....back to the gable dormer tomorrow
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Mike, you run out of drop cloths?
Where's Helen?A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
drop cloths from the attic down....everything is cool.....as long as i throw out some of my old fatigues.... WTH.....i don't have a 28" waist anymore nohow
still starched enough to stand up by themselvesMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Then someone must have sneezed going down the carpeted stairs.
Man, you must have been quick with the vac.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Chuck was off for a day of training on Envisioneer ( CAD )... so Roy started putting the bed platform together...
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trying to build it so we can maintain our options for how much built-in storage we may create later
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14" ... so we'll have one tread / 2 risers
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designing some built-ins for this room as a change order.... so about the only thing we can do here is put our sill in and the extension jambs.... the mooney allows us to plan our nailing for the extension jambs exactly
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caught Jack sleeping on the couch again... hard to see a black Lab sleeping on a navy blue couch
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this door is a recycle from the bedroom... the painter just shuddered when i told him it is going to be white
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Friday we were trying to beat the snow storm ..... finished the East gable
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and started on the South
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Hope you finished!
We got 10" with another 8 expected today, unless the lake effect gets going, if it does all bets are off!
Mike, The snow did come in a big way! Didn't it?
Hope you all had a good Christmas
Lou
As the twig bends- So grows the tree!!
working the weather on the exterior.... just about finished with the south
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another view of the east
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and the SE
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inside we hung the mirrored bi-folds
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and trimmed the windows
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and started the built-ins..... bookshelves, drawer units, and corner desk
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Looken good
Nice project - I envy your crew. A good one of those is harder to build than a house! "...craftsmanship is first & foremost an expression of the human spirit." - P. Korn
bakersfieldremodel.com
Mike,
It doesn't look like you have the permanent roof on the addition yet ? or my eyes not seeing well?
Walter
my roofer is running behind
this is a strip and reroof.... probably next week........2009 !Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Are you taking the Tyvek off before the felt?
Psssttt... Mike,
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while the electrician was roughing in, Roy & Chuck went off to swap a sliding door and i worked in the attic to prep it for adding 12" of cellulose....
which meant we need a catwalk so the a/c equipment can be serviced
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and the air handler.... built some dams around it
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the rest of the dam will be this 16" duct
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Is the dam to hold insulation in or out? I know it is great to blow over ductwork, but what about the air handler?John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
the air handler has a condensate pan under it.... and...
i can picture some HVAC guy cussing me for burying their equip...
so the dam is to keep the insul outMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I could see the cussing too. What do you think of building a box with a lid around the air handler so that you could insulate all the way up to it, cover all the duct work, and essentially get it into conditioned space? I've got a furnace in my walk-in attic that has frozen the condensate drain twice on me and thinking I'm going to build a closet around it this year.
As an aside, I just completed a commercial building for a local copy place. I told the guy I would build him a building that would take minimal energy to heal and cool. I'm having a problem now that the temps are dipping in the 20's and 30's. His furnace has not run at all and the heat generated by his two copiers is keeping the building at 76-78 degrees. I was working in the parking lot yesterday installing light poles and the temps were in the low 30's and they had the front door open. I need to come up with some type of a vent that draws in cool outside air and exhausts the warm air inside so that he doesn't have to run the AC in the winter. John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
eeee... such a problem
i would think one of those ERV / HRV things might be just the ticketMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I thought about that, but the thing is that I really don't need to recover the energy/heat. In this case, a simple vent fan would do the trick mounted at ceiling level or even hooked into the return air.John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
just so long as you don't create a negative pressure...you want it positive or neutralMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
That was my quandry. I was trying to think of introducing fresh outside air vs. exhausting hot inside air. More thinking to do.
I think Honeywell has a fan that may do the trick. I like ERV/HRV's but in this case I don't want to recover the heat.John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
I would install a Honeywell dampered fresh air intake with a Tamarack exhaust damper.
You will connect the Honeywell unit to the return air plenum, and put the damper outlet in a convenient location (or *possibly* depend on the exhaust fans if any are installed).
Many thermostats will allow you to run the fan for circulation only, with a little dialing in you should be able to train the client to use this effectively.
Will you have a bigger problem in the summer with such a high load from the copiers?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Kind of what I was thinking. The space is only about 3000 sf and has I think 8 tons of cooling. We twinned together 2 4-ton heat pumps. Summer will be interesting.John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
Hey Mike, I've got aproject that calls for a double casement window like that. Is that a 200 or 400 series andersen?
it's ( two ) 400 series C24Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
You should have typed that upside down !!!
Mike,
Just curious as to why the pent roof does not go all the wall across the gable and tie the 2 fascias together? I've never seen it done that way.
Looking good! Keep the photos coming.John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
the fascias are two different hts....or i would have
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I was kinda thinking you were going to say that. Just playing devil's advocate but was the height difference significant or could you have increased the overhang on the right side and thus the pent roof to align the fascias?John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
it's about a foot difference... the new roof already has a 12" overhang
so.. at a 7/12 pitch.... to get a foot in ht... the overhang would wind up close to 3'Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
that would be some considerable shade :)John
J.R. Lazaro Builders, Inc.
Indianapolis, In.
<Keep up the good work. I learn more than you can imagine from threads like this.>
Yeah, but I can imagine more than you can learn.
Forrest
Are you one of those brains in a vat that Professor Rorty spoke of?Or are you just daydreaming whilst in the midst of one of those five martini lunches.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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His boss thinks he's working.
jt8
The creative individual has the capacity to free himself from the web of social pressures in which the rest of us are caught. He is capable of questioning the assumptions that the rest of us accept. -- John Gardner
tut tut, look at all that uninsulated duct work...
jt8
The creative individual has the capacity to free himself from the web of social pressures in which the rest of us are caught. He is capable of questioning the assumptions that the rest of us accept. -- John Gardner
it's insulated on the inside ( fairly common )
but when we get done it will be buried in cellsMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Its looking good so far. What was the homeowner's reason for building the dormer? Are they thinking of making livable space out of the attic? This the reason I like this website, but I don't see enough of it. Keep the pictures coming, please.