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Yeah! You have any of the ones he showed of those old timers moving a house with horses? I'm pretty sure it was Doud, but it was a while ago.
Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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No horses, but whoever posted this one sure made my day.PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
The EZ Log can straighten those logs..."The truth, when told does nothing but bolster a mans character." -Big Cal Stew 2006
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heh heh That was one of mine.
I have the original photo of it and I'm guessing it was out west as it was mixed in with a bunch of old California pics.
Jim- not that I recall but I'm betting they are buried in an old thread here somewhere.
The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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"there's enough for everyone"
Yeah, that's the one. Thanks, Doud.
(heard anything from New England lately?) Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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Look at the width of that sawhorse.
What were they cutting that needed something so wide?
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dunno -
maybe a stack of sticks in the middle and a sawer off each side?
just how much longer do you think it would take to saw by hand instead of by power?
thinkin' you'd have to factor in getting out the generator, untangling the cords, curse the plug, start the gen (more cursing?), etc..."there's enough for everyone"
I don't know this, but I bet there was at least one "sawyer" on a job that size, that all he/she did was saw.
Came back to say - you ever read about those "pit saws" they used to get logs down to a managable size?
Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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Edited 9/21/2006 9:19 am ET by jimblodgett
you ever read about those "pit saws" they used to get logs down to a managable size?
ya - I've got most all of Eric Sloane's books - not to mention Roy Underhill - viewed the set up at Williamsburg, but nobody was working it -
I've never seen any evidence of it in the midwest - lots of hewing to a line and post and beam construction, I've seen hand split lath, and rived purlins/sheathing but no hand ripped material -
whadda nasty job that musta been -
(heard anything from New England lately?)
DSD has her 24th this week and is coming home for Purdue's homecoming tomorrow - I've covered all the fruit sales events for sat (I hope...) and plan to meet her at PU, set in the thunderstorm, watch the football team struggle, watch the band perform, and generally have a good time -
..."definitely had a good time monday night - had tania, meg (a chemist) and charlie(her bf), emily, aaron, shannon, russ, rachel and jess (all aaronsroomies/people from that circle) out at a tapas restaurant that was reallygood. meg and tania got me creme brulee dishes from pier one, shannon got me ahibiscus plant that i'll try really hard not to kill, russ made aaron and i'team science' (that's what they call us at their house) shirts with aphotoshopped pic of us dresed up in lab coats, and aaron got us tics to see theboston symphony orchestra in october. oh yeah, shannon also brought homechocolate covered canolli from mikes... delicious!a long day yesterday though. i really need to start seeing my compound. i'mgonna work some with the synthetic postdoc who made it today. hopefully we canresolve this. makes me all twitchy that its taking so long.looking forward to the break though. it'll be good to see everyone.hope all is well"...
how about you? campus life aggreeing with your progeny?
"there's enough for everyone"
"DSD has her 24th this week and is coming home for Purdue's homecoming tomorrow..."
I'm jealous. We have to wait until Christmas to see our gang again.
"how about you? campus life aggreeing with your progeny?"
Apparently. He's pretty much at home wherever he is. Life's easy for him that way. Sure wish he was here to give me a hand though. Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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in this pic , i see two axes & three saws
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in this pic , i see two axes & three saws
and no speed squares!
blue
axes: double bit, single bit, and the kid is holding a hatchet.
I've a fine old squaring broadaxe, with offset head/handle. Made in Charleston, WV. I wish I knew how it made its way to British Columbia.
pit saws.... in the 1980s saw two men ripping a beam at a pioneer village. Sweaty sticky work. You don't want to be the guy in the pit that's for sure. ;)
"pit saws.... in the 1980s saw two men ripping a beam at a pioneer village. Sweaty sticky work. You don't want to be the guy in the pit that's for sure. ;)"
Holy smokes man. First time I read about those pit saws that was my first thought. Probably where the term "the pits" comes from, huh?Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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Maybe gang cutting rafters... but they used handsaws.
Prolly for holding a couple beams as they were being prepped.
Looks like that scaffolding was before OSHA.
every once in a while my aunt will find a photo and send it along
here's my Grandfather: AJ Smith and his crew , building one of his barns in 1910
I think this is Capac, Michigan
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and the same crew assembled ...
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that's AJ, 2d from the left
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got to love it.
be keeping them comingThe bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
Yeah, awesome Mike.
Hey, any chance you have the negatives for those photos?Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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no... no negatives.. but some of these digital places can produce some pretty slick copiesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
which ones A.J. ??,," Crea la mitad de lo que usted ve, y nada de lo que usted oye."
So your grandfather knew Vincent Van Gogh ?
(Second from the right) ;o)
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I bet before you know it, babies will be sent home with a sticker warning them that living causes death~piffin '06
Hey Mike, could you post a large res of those pics here?The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
I'm pretty sure that's a young Bobby Dylan kinda hangin' back on the left. ; ^ ) Mike
Trust in God, but row away from the rocks.
Man! Those guys look like CARPENTERS, don't they?Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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meanwhile .... back on the farm
Mayme Josephine ( Phalen ) Smith is taking the young 'uns out for some fishing in one of the dredge canals... based on my dad on the right... i think this is about 1923 or so
Jack ..... Grandma ( Mayme ) .... Marie, Joe... & Mike
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ok.. how about this one
Mike Schmidt
Albert J Smith
Michael Phalen Smith
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Is Michael Phalen Smith wearing a dress ???
I bet before you know it, babies will be sent home with a sticker warning them that living causes death~piffin '06
near as we can tell... you bet... i think it was quite common then ( he was born in 1917 )Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Um Dad? Are dem cowboys?
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Well, dey duz all have hats on.But look at dem aprons. I tink bout half ob dem must be cooks.
I bet before you know it, babies will be sent home with a sticker warning them that living causes death~piffin '06
added one more to the stack...
Mike Schmidt
Albert J Smith
Michael Phalen Smith
Mike Smith...
gotta get Phalen added to the gang
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Edited 9/22/2006 7:57 pm ET by MikeSmith
Mike- I notice the lapel pin. What the diffrence between the Lions , as opposed to lets say The Elks , Shriners , Masons , etc. . Is it a community business based , or do they all diffrent community service duties ?? " Crea la mitad de lo que usted ve, y nada de lo que usted oye."
Lions are International.. clubs are not allowed to own any property.. world's largest service organization
and one of their primary tasks is to care for the blind
Helen Keller gave them that charge years ago
for about 20 years now, Lions has opened the club to women also..
lot's of friendly rivalry between Rotary & Lions
good group of people...
Boss Hog is a Lion
it's not business related at all ( like Rotary is )...
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 9/22/2006 9:02 pm ET by MikeSmith
"Lions are International.. clubs are not allowed to own any property.."
Either that's wrong, or we're out of line. We own some equipment storage buildings that we keep our carnival equipment in.
I know fer sure that we have to get a separate insurance policy for the stuff, as the Lion's International policy won't cover it.
But I've never heard that we weren't supposed to own any property.
When we are young we try to hide our poverty. When we grow older we brag about it.
Your the first Smith to smile in a picture.
The final answer is maybe. And that's definate.
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Sometimes.Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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Mike: "Don't slosh the beer."
The final answer is maybe. And that's definate.
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"I said get the He11 out of the way of the keg!"
jt8
'Grandpa used to say "know your role and shut your hole." ' --Stilletto
Great stuff here. I love the hats they wore then.
1956?The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
hmm...
might be indeed -
still have the truck -
"there's enough for everyone"
David, I have to say that I disagree with your marketing guy about the "old fashioned" approach. (You say he said "old fashioned" doesn't sell fruit.)I honestly think that a web site with the old fashioned approach would do as well as, or better than a "more modern" one. Most especially if you are going to be taking orders and shipping fruit.Anyone can be modern. But not just anyone has been around for a long time, and has the pictures to prove it. Your history is part of the proof hat what you sell is of the best quality. I think you should be proud of it, and use that.In addition, I honestly think that a website with the old fashioned approach that you thought of at first, is much more likely to bring you the kind of customers that you want to deal with anyway. And not just anybody off the street looking for a bargain and a flashy sign.Ok, I've had my say, now you can tell me to shut up. LOL
I bet before you know it, babies will be sent home with a sticker warning them that living causes death~piffin '06
Hey, that kid's not sitting in his child's seat. ;)
Ron's thread on harvest got me thinking about the historical farm picts -
here's the way it used to be done...these photos pre-1900
corn:
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potatoes saved the farm one year -
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hay:
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after the turn of the century, apples became the main crop - during the WWI years, the Doud Brothers owned and leased several orchards in the area and made good money exporting apples to England -
the years are between 1915 and 1920 -
ladders in the tall trees:
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field grading and packing into 3 bushel barrels - grandpa is second from right -
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accumlation area - the leased 'Miller Orchard' -
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another year and they've moved out of tents and into a new building -
here's a wagon load of 'Ben Davis' apples ready to enter the packing process -
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this view is inside the same shed, the apples roll down the chute and thru a sizer to be packed into the barrels -
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the people - my father (who will be 91 in three weeks) is the small boy perched on the barrel - my grandfather and grandmother to his left (our right) -
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Man, those pics are precious.
Here's a hat in the ring...
The year might be guessimated around the 30s or 40s.
A small brook in the backyard flowed into an underground culvert that joined an overflow pipe from a large pond on the adjoining property and ended at Lake Erie.
With no grate covering the culvert pipe it is surmised that a large log got crossed at the interior junction and material plugged the drain completely.
Thus the ensuing backflood filled the basement and the neighboring yards before drifting over the road on it's way to the lake.
The story passed from an aunt that was a child at the house at the time was of the dog which was found howling while floating on a log amidst the debris.
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"When we build, let us think that we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone." --John Ruskin Laminate is just a picture of hardwood printed on countertop for your floor.We can imagine something that only exists in our heads, in a form that has no measurable, tangible reality, and make it actually occur in the real world. Where there was nothing, now there is something.Forrest - makin' magic every day
my father (who will be 91 in three weeks)
Wow, that reaches back quite a ways. If Dad is nearing 91, when was grandfather born? How old was grandfather when he passed?
jt8
"Most of the shadows of this life are caused by our standing in our own sunshine." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
If Dad is nearing 91, when was grandfather born? How old was grandfather when he passed?
Grandpa was born 1888 (died 1959) - dad in 1915, myself in '54, our youngest in '85
no five generation pictures in this family -
"there's enough for everyone"
So your Grandpa was listening to civil war stories as a child. Then lived through an amazing time. Two world wars, the electrification of a nation, automobiles, the great depression, etc, etc, etc. As the United States made the journey from rural 2nd world country to urban super-power.
And your Grandpa's grandfather was probably listening to Revolutionary War stories from the oldtimers.
200 years just sounds like a long time. jt8
"Most of the shadows of this life are caused by our standing in our own sunshine." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
David
Those are some cool pictures, thanks for sharing them.
Doug
Ditto what DougU said.
Your family coopered their own barrels or bought locally made ones? Those are neat looking barrels, with 'flat' sides it seems.
The WW1 era orchard shot shows apple trees in need of pruning. Prolly because there was a labour shortage due to the war?
Ya, look at the size of those ladders.
I'm thinking there weren't the dwarf varieties back then and sprays were limited so they did with what they had.
"When we build, let us think that we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone." --John Ruskin Laminate is just a picture of hardwood printed on countertop for your floor.We can imagine something that only exists in our heads, in a form that has no measurable, tangible reality, and make it actually occur in the real world. Where there was nothing, now there is something.Forrest - makin' magic every day
Edited 10/9/2006 11:11 pm ET by rez
The WW1 era orchard shot shows apple trees in need of pruning. Prolly because there was a labour shortage due to the war?
probably not - more likely ignorance of fruit culture - actually 'ignorance' is a poor word - trees were planted far apart and grown big - the way it works it the tree grows like a weed for several years, then it decides to bloom and fruit - the crop then bends all the limbs down - not much pruning was done till then - archaic from our viewpoint, but it worked for them -
I cannot identify the location of the pict, but believe it to be one of the rented/leased orchards - this happened to be a time of small farms and if someone planted apple trees, everyone else did too - some of the other picts have better managed trees in the background -
Your family coopered their own barrels or bought locally made ones? Those are neat looking barrels, with 'flat' sides it seems.
I find no pictures of barrels being assembled - I imagine they were puchased - In Peru (IN), right along the train line, is the 'Redmond Basket Factory' - I'd bet a small sum of money that the baskets and barrels came from there - the company still exists in the same buildings, tho China has changed there business from manufacture to distribution -
I originally thought this pict was of making barrels, but close examination reveals the apple sizer, and it's another picture of packing, the tree is the same one as is in the 'accumulation' pict in a previous post, in that pict there is a tent of sorts over the sizer -
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Every time I read through these threads with old photos I think about trying to document our lives today so future generations will have something similar.
Problem is, nothing we do day to day seems noteworthy to us at the time, it just seems like day to day stuff. It's only in retrospect that the common becomes fascinating.
Anyways, thanks again, David. I'm jealous of your heritage. Like John T8 said "200 years only SEEMS like a long time".Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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Every time I read through these threads with old photos I think about trying to document our lives today so future generations will have something similar.
so much now is fleeting electrons - much of my recent history is related right here - unlikely to be around very long - and we're thinking of getting a new ISP - there goes the 6 years of the emails with the kids (and there's some great ones), unless someone does something - (fortunately, many have been printed and sent to the St Louis grandparents, so have a corporal existance there)
I'm setting on a bunch of pictures from the last several years that are on floppy disks - they're deteriorating and the next computer (this one is making noises....) is unlikely to have a floppy drive -
Problem is, nothing we do day to day seems noteworthy to us at the time, it just seems like day to day stuff. It's only in retrospect that the common becomes fascinating.
well, you can always get a court record <g> -
"A particular court on feb 7 1649-50, tried another military case. Henry Doud was charged by John Hodley & the Lieutenant & serg't JONES with; ""Not obeying the lawful command of the chiefe officer to give fire on a training day & slighting, or scoffing at ye sergt, telling him, in a deriding way, he was reproved for unmannerly behaviour in sitting before ye chiefe officer with his hat on."" ""YES i will reverence you, Sergt."" or words to that effect. ""The defendent claimed that he failed to fire becuase he had forgotten his powder and that he so spoke to Sergt. Hodley himself & therefore, he so put off his hat to him & bowed & SAID, Yes, i will put off my hat to you, Sergt. He only acknowledgedeth that he was in the heat of spirit; but sees no other evil in his speech or carryage. At Henry Doud's request the case was postponed to May4, when he confessed that he was wrong and was let off with a promise to make a like confession publicly on the next training day."
"there's enough for everyone"
Well, you know you can have negatives made from digital images, right? Then if you save the negatives any descendants will be able to print them whenever they want.
Seems kind of old school, I know. But it works. Who's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about?
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and we're thinking of getting a new ISP - there goes the 6 years of the emails with the kids (and there's some great ones), unless someone does something - (fortunately, many have been printed and sent to the St Louis grandparents, so have a corporal existance there)
David, I usually suggest folks get a Yahoo/Hotmail/etc email address. That way you can change ISP's without it bothering your email address. Otherwise I've seen folks who stay with a crappy ISP just because they don't want to change their email address.
Or, if you want a little more panache, go find a domain name and use an email address from that. Hmm... give me a sec... "doudorchard" .com is available (so is "doudorchards"). Kinda surprised. A website is two parts: 1. get the domain name (ie http://www.taunton.com) 2. find a company to host it for you (about a million companies out there).
The reason I'm dragging websites into the picture is that when you do web hosting with someone like Yahoo (around $10/mo which includes both domain name and hosting), they will include 1-200 email addresses. So if you got http://www.doudorchard.com, you could be [email protected] (don't click those two links, they won't do anything). You could give each of your family members an email address at "doudorchard".
And that would also allow you to put up a website (if you wanted to). If you don't have one already, I think you're in need of one.
As to the pictures in the old emails, you can always save them to your hard drive. And then burn them onto a CD. A CD can hold 700mb (about 500 floppies worth). Or a DVD burner would let you burn 4.7gig DVD's (4700mb or about 3300 floppies worth). Blank CD's cost pennies each when you buy a spool on sale. I've bought blank DVD's for as little as 20 cents each (on a 50 spool).
jt8
"All the knowledge I possess everyone else can acquire, but my heart is all my own." -- Goethe
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