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Granite tile layout question

Heck | Posted in Construction Techniques on September 12, 2007 03:34am

Maybe I’m just too tired to see the obvious, but I have been trying to layout a 90 degree inside corner, using bullnosed granite tiles.

The tiles are 13″ x 12″ , the 12″ matches the 12 x 12 field tiles, the 13″ side is the bullnose portion that hangs over the edge of the counter.

The counter has a peninsula at the left, 3′ wide, and then turns 90 degrees to the right into a 2′ top.

I have double bullnose tiles to start at the outside corners, so layout must start there. Using this start, the edge bullnose marches on until it reaches the inside corner, where the tile would have to be cut to about 8″ to fit.

So, should I miter this inside corner, and start with a matching tile on the right? Seems like the only way to turn the corner. This starts a diagonal cut line that then goes where?

This gets everything out of sorts with the field tile that is following the bullnose along the outside edge of the peninsula. Should I continue this ugly diagonal cut all across the corner?

What am I not seeing?

Wish I could use a program to draw what I am talking about.

                        

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    EricPaulson | Sep 12, 2007 03:51am | #1

    Tough to discuss this with out pics, but you are on the right track.

    Draw it out on the counter,

    Just do the 45 on the bullnose tile the field the rest. You may end up with some smallish tile at the back of the mitre.

    I want to find a recent thread that Mongo posted so you can see his step up to the shower. i think it had what you are describing.

    [email protected]

     

     

     

     

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      FatRoman | Sep 12, 2007 04:18am | #4

      This the one you were thinking of?

      http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=94238.6

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        EricPaulson | Sep 12, 2007 05:04am | #7

        yup!

        Thanks[email protected]

         

         

         

         

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      Heck | Sep 12, 2007 04:29am | #6

      So far that is what I came up with, I don't have the tops roughed out yet so that I can draw different layouts on them, just trying to see this in my mind - it's hard with all the rust, and cobwebs.                        

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        EricPaulson | Sep 12, 2007 05:05am | #8

        Look back a couple of posts............the one from Fat Roman to me.[email protected]

         

         

         

         

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          Heck | Sep 12, 2007 05:21am | #9

          Eric, I went to read that thread. Beautiful work, but not the same problem.

          I will try to post a diagram later.                        

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            Heck | Sep 12, 2007 06:00am | #10

            Let's see if this helps.

            View Image

            This is a solution, but I don't like it. Should I continue the miter?                        

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            IMERC | Sep 12, 2007 06:12am | #11

            shift the 36" leg left till a full tile meets the inside corner....

            cut the tiles to fit the left end...

            do the return in full tiles...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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            Heck | Sep 12, 2007 07:32am | #12

            Can't do it.

            I have to start on the outside corners, have double bullnose tiles. All layouts start with an outside corner with these tiles.                        

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            IMERC | Sep 12, 2007 07:45am | #13

            full miter on the inside return...

            done yet???

            let's do some coffee...

            meet ya on the park bench at the truck stop...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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            Heck | Sep 12, 2007 07:49am | #14

            Good spot, huh?                        

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            IMERC | Sep 12, 2007 08:00am | #15

            yes it was....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

          7. calvin | Sep 12, 2007 01:12pm | #18

            James, take a look at the above suggestion.  Keep the corners full tile and make up the difference in the run by cutting a field tile.  (mitre the inside corner if you wish for looks)

            Its the method used under window sills (splash) to keep full tiles running both directions from the window.

            The grout lines on this top are going to be tight?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.

            Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

            http://www.quittintime.com/

             

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            Heck | Sep 12, 2007 04:00pm | #20

            Hello Cal, this place is a treasure trove of talent and ideas. I have considered cutting the fields to fit. What I am worried about is cutting off the factory eased edge, as this will be a tight installation, or, at the most, a 1/16" set.

            Possibly I can make the cuts, and then ease the edges myself.

            As always, there is the conflict between wanting to do a perfect install vs the budget.

            You should see some of the installs done around here. They leave a lot to be desired as far as quality is concerned.

            Nice talking to ya.                        

  2. Tomrocks21212 | Sep 12, 2007 03:54am | #2

    Why not just miter the overhang and leave the rest of the tile intact? You'd wind up with a square tile adjoining them, and lining up with the rear edges.

    Just clip off that 1"x1" triangle and you should be good to go, with a square layout from there.

    Unless I'm not getting the problem. And I'm no tile guy.

    1. Tomrocks21212 | Sep 12, 2007 04:06am | #3

       

        Just reread the OP. Not a clue without drawing it out.

      Edited 9/11/2007 9:17 pm ET by Tomrocks21212

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        Heck | Sep 12, 2007 04:27am | #5

        I think you had the right mental picture, I will try to draw this out manually and post it later, got supper cookin' right now.                        

  3. dukeofwsu | Sep 12, 2007 08:14am | #16

    When a granite slab installer miters an inside corner, he/she cuts the depth of the slab off and leaves the bullnose 45 protruding. The next slab has 24 to 26 inches of bull nose cut off, and returns to a 45 at the bull. If your bull is appx one inch deep, it would make sense that that's why they're cut with the extra inch to work with.

    Hope that helps.

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      Heck | Sep 12, 2007 04:02pm | #21

      I understand what you are saying, the same method theoretically could be applied to tiles as well as slabs, wouldn't look good on this install.                        

  4. Kgmz | Sep 12, 2007 08:29am | #17

    What brand of tile are you using?

    We have used Benissimo quite a bit and have never seen a counter than matched the tile exactly.

    http://www.benissimosystems.com/

    Does your brand sell inside corners like the Benissimo tiles?

    You should never mess with any of the inside corners, and should lay your outside and inside corners and field tiles. And them make your cuts on the tiles inbetween the inside and outside tiles.

    Your choices with the 8" you mentioned are to cut one row of tile to 8" or to cut all the tiles inbetween down equally to get the dimension you need. For example you have 47" inbetween your inside and outside layouts, you would cut all tiles 11 3/4" to get the 47" (4 x 11.75 = 47).

    This will look a lot better than some mess with miters and odd sized tiles in the inside corner.

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      Heck | Sep 12, 2007 03:53pm | #19

      I actually don't know what brand I am dealing with here, I will talk to the supplier this morning about inside corners.

      I am considering your idea to cut the run of tile to make the corner work. Thanks for the link, as well.                        

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