I’ll have quotes soon, for a turnkey job, furnished and installed. See the pic for detail. Painted galvalume standing seam, chimney penetration as shown, 4.5:12 pitch, 62 sqs regular, 1.5 sqs curved over the eyebrow porch dormer, curved valleys adjacent.
Where do you think the numbers are going to fall?
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Standing seam like factory panels, or hand formed on site? Painted after seamed or factory finish?
Price over the edge, along with the picture.........
Joe H
Factory painted, factory rollformed, snap-rib type. The curves can be done with curveable pans from the factory, and curved snap-on ribs.
Material cost with all flashing and accessories runs about $175 per square. I did a simple one last year with Fabral's 24 gage 1-1/2 x 16 SSR panels.
I am waiting to see what the pro roofers that do this stuff regularly will quote.
I just got a quote for $268/square for labor only to install the 2 story, 6/12 pitch, gable end, exposed fastener, rib and valley style, metal panels on my roof. That is $4,550 for just under 17 squares.
MBCI 7.2 panels to be specific - similar to a U-panel on a bigger scale. It is 7.2" between the uniformally spaced ribs.
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Here is the pic. Sorry.
Around here a roof like thta would be in the $30K range. But that's just a guess...........
I'd have to have around $300/sq labor for a cut up roof like that and that might be a little cheap. Keep in mind that real roofers are paying 30%-40% worker's comp while you carpenter type cats that do an occasional roof are paying 10% or less. I couldn't begin to guess the material costs since I only use copper, but the last couple of pre-finished steel (spec'd) jobs I've bid on, I was cheaper with copper.
FYI, I pay my subs $150/sq to install standing seam ( walkable, one story, straight gable) with the price going up for hips, valleys, dormers, pitch, height, etc.
We got a quote a couple of years ago for a similar roof for $28k. I guess it would be $32k now.
We pay about $500.00/SQ. labor and materials. About 50 50 on materials and labor.
tim
Depends on your market and availability of skilled help in the neighboirhood and what Work comp rates are in NY.
Range of 32-40K
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And if that is too salty for the client, and they wish to roof with some high end architectural shingles, how would you propose doing the eyebrow dormer?
Shoot! I was just out in Chicagoland where there are lots of roof shapes like this one, if you drive through the new highstyle neighborhoods, or the old glamour places with the original Wright homes. I'm sure they aren't using standing seam metal left and right. Whaddya think they are using?
The little SS steel I did myself late last fall, with a helper, me on the ground with the cutting tools, and him on the roof, we did 6 3/4 squares in two days, one complex valley, no hips, and half all the drip edge ends were ending on a roof edge shaped like a big sweeping ogee curve.
Let's see, 6.75 times maybe $200, a little more for the ground man doing the thinking than the grunt on the deck, hmmmm . . . the pay is OK but not great. But, I was bias-cutting half the sheets, each one a different length as the curves came and went, and I'll bet we could have finished two maybe three times the quantity of area just popping on precut sheets on simple roof shapes.
Many many moons ago, I did metal roofing sort of for a living. I had a job as construction super for a big metal forming outfit that did F&E walls and roofs on commercial and industrial buildings. My first job with them was to put the roof on the brand new (at that time) Texas Stadium. The stadium dome with the big hole in the middle, over the playing field. Not cut up at all. One eave detail around the perimeter, and plain trim for the doughnut hole edge.
you could do archie shingles and put ss copper roof on the barrel and make it look outstanding!
As for arguing cost, like I said, a lot depends om your local market.
I remember a state highway barn that I re-roofed. When I wasinvited to bid, I had plenty of work already and almost declined, but I talked to me junior partner and we decided to put one in and find a way to get it done if we won the contract.
Since we really didn't need the work, and we knew that all the competition in the area was plenty busy too, we marked things up two or three hundred percent. I beleive that our bid was about $27K and only one other bidder showed up, with a bid for $80K. we got the bid of course and I pocketed seven grand for three weeks work, plus settup and planning time previous.
The following year, since I was now on the State's list of approved contractors, I got an invitation to do the same roof on the same building in another township ninety miles away. I reflected some travel costs in the next bid and upped it at about $28.5K.
The wining bid came in at around $19K, which probably allowed them some change for profit after overhead.
Difference this time wasthat the state economy had slowed down, especially in that county because the largest employer, Climax Mining, had shut down their operations for a time.
So there is an example of how timing the market for difficult or specialized work can change the price paid from 19 to 80
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It is looking like about $29K, but we will see if the owner would like to go with some architectural shingles with the copper eyebrow. Prices are from well qualified guys from far away, using 26 ga prefinished galvalume, 24 wide coilstock machine-formed on site to a 1 x 21 pan. They have stretchforming rigs to handle the eyebrow details.
You are very experienced with roofing and materials, so tell us, what kind of archies would you recommend here?
I have a yard in town, and three competitors of his within thirty miles. All four consider my location their prime territory, and not one of the four stocks anything but the IKO brand. So, you want architecturals? That's "Chateau."
The claim is that in our particular climate, with a lot of snow and ice, that nothing other than an all-asphalt shingle will work. No fiberglass allowed. I think it is BS, but that is what they all believe, and thus anything else anyone wants to use is special order.
And we all know what special order means.
Out West, I prefered the GAF over the Elk brand, but around here, IKO is the standard offering. The Chateaus are good shingles. I've used them more than any other architectural shingle here in Maine and never had a problem with them yet.
Celotex makes some decent high end asphalt shingles too.
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We obviously have the same problem in terms of shingle brands though, like pippin, I have never had a problem with the shingles. My biggest beef with them is that, come winter, they are invariably frozen together and tear chunks out of each other when split. It is either that or they are stack three pallets high for months and have melded into each other.
Last winter the owners specced a fiberglass shingle and I asked our roofers why they were not used more often. They told me that fiberglass shingles were not recommended above the Mason-Dixon line because fiberglass shingles did not handle the temperature swings as well as asphalt. I know they were a lot nicer to use in the winter because they were a lot more flexible in the cold. Too bad for us.
the only organic felt shingle we get is IKO.. but i haven't used them in about 10 years..
strictly fiberglass mat for us now.. the old problems with fiberglas mat are GONE..
the new testing instituted after Hurricane Andrew pretty much sealed the fate of organics..
my opinion, if i had one, the modern asphalt shingle no longer needs an organic felt base.... and the both install and perform well in cold climatesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore