guess the weight of garage?
getting ready to move a 24×24 with 8′ walls. starting jacking up today and i’m surprised at how heavy it seems. my guess was 5500 lbs,but seemed heavier than that.there is 50 sheets of 1/2 osb [roof and side walls] 2×4’s x8 on 16′ center [approx 75] 300’of 2×4 top and bottom plates,16′ 4×12 header, 7 sq of 3 tab shingles [240 a sq.] roof rafters are 2x6x 16x26pcs, 5 2×8 ceiling joist.16′ steel o/h door. 750 sq of vinily siding. anybody got a good guess on this. i was planning on putting this on a car trailer and relocating to another spot in the yard, but before i bend the frame and blow the tires [both tires and axles are rated for 7000lb,but i feel there is some saftey factor built in]i’d like to know what this thing weighs. any suggestions onmoving [i’m only going 100′] ought to be fun times! thanks larry
hand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.
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Here are some generalized numbers to plug in for your calculations.......
235# shingles & felt 2.5# per sf
1/2" sheathing 1.5# psf
2x4's 1.4# per ln ft
2x6's 2.2 # plf
2x8's 3# plf
4x12's 9# plf
vinyl sdg 35# per square
16' oh grg door ~ 200#
Roughly figures about 7400 # and add in some misc stuff unaccounted for and you will be pushing 8000#.
If the timbers are full sized/sawmill lumber or a species other than "white woods" then add another 20% to the dimension lumber weights
Two 7K axles can handle it if the load is balanced and the tires are rated for it!
Send pictures is it doesn't!!!! ;>)
..................Iron Helix
i think balacing the load is going to be the important part,i only have to move a hundred feet and am going to use a bobcat for tow vehicle. i'll have to take pics just so i'll have something to laugh when it falls off!!!! thanks for your weights the look pretty much on the mark. larryhand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.
How level is the terrain?
Could you roll the structure on 4" pipes?
How were you going to move the garage on a 8'(?) wide car trailer.
A big crane would be easy but expensive.
Jon Blakemore
i live in ks,it's flat......except for that bump coming off the pad. yeah a 8' trailer,actually bed is 6'8" wide so i'm going to have to use 2x12 x 18' hanging off each side,thats the part about the weight that bothers me. thanks larryhand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.
How in the world are you going to support the 24'x24' 7-8000# load withsingle 7'x8' trailer and some 2x12-18'? I thoughtthe garage was 24' not 18'.
4 ton of weight on a 2x12's will surely cause quite a bow, if not a snap!
Is the trailer's light metal perimeter railing going to hold such a point load?
And I assume the skidder is hooked to the trailer inside the garage as you pull it the 100 feet? Hope it has a tough crash cage!
Tell me your design plan...my head is full of red flags.
...........Iron Helix
No wonder he's "always overbudget"...
DW just reminded me of my neighbor's escapade of a few years ago.
It seems he was given a rather large commercial metal storage shed.....16' x 24' or so, but he had to move it ASAP. He opted not to take it apart but move it whole!
He is notoriously tight and managed to find and borrow a small trailer much like you have described.
He cribbed and jury rigged it on a the trailer. He had about a mile to pull it and as he made the final slight turn to cross the top of his pond levee that leads to his house the cribbing broke loose and the metal building somersaulted down the side of the levee.
I still can see it today, like a crumbled tin can along side the hardroad. He never cleaned it up!
............Iron Helix
first i tell you about the trailer,built out of 8" channell iron with tadem axlesrated at 3500 each.no worries about trailer frame,question the tires and axles alittle. i'm going to jack garage up about 16-18" in the air and have sitting on cribbing.thengoing to back trailer in to center of garage [has a single 16' door] going to stop the trailer approx 2' from back of garage. with tounge and trailer length of 19'6" that puts the hitch about3' inside front edge of garage. then i'm going to take 6 -2x12 x 18 and bolt them together so that i have 24 length,that lets them lap abour 12', stand them edge ways and bolt each end to a stud,will probably strap them with 2x4's so the don't want to roll flatways on the trailer.then take 2-2x12x18 and run them length wise on the trailer and pick up a couple studs on the back end where the trailer is 2' from wall. will have to bolt this to the 2xs running crossways on the trailer,plus secure the front edge of these 2x18' so they don't teter toter[unsure how thats going to happen] then on the front of trailer run a couple 2x4s up to the rafters to help hold that front hangover.remove cribbing and set down on trailer. bring bobcat in with hitch and hook up, i first need to move straight back about 30' and i'm not comfortable with it bouncing off the old pad, but i'll back fill it and get it as level as possible.then i have to turn and move forward about 40'square it up and go straight back about 50', hopefully it's in one pc whenit hits new pad.so should i sell tickets or record it for funniest video,hey win 10 grand build new garage! i wouldn't think of hitting a street with this but basically i'm moving abour 40 to the southwest with it. tell me what ya think larryhand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.
Maybe you should roll it on pipes: safer, cheaper and maybe even faster. Just be sure to bolt some cross member where the door is to keep the garage from spreading out.
Get it cut loose and jacked up on cribbing. Then get a house mover to do the actual move. They have the stuff to do it right, and do it quickly enough that it shouldn't be too expensive. At least get a bid.
-- J.S.
What a riggin'!
Eat your heart out Rube Goldberg!
A plan is at hand....only the result is in question!
Yup....lots of pics for the gallery. Maybe it wil outdo Imerc's basement.
Good luck!..................Iron Helix
PS....still see red flags.......be careful, you may not survive a garagectomy!
won't be as high as imerc basement lolhand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.
Okay, so now we're up to:Garage- 7400#
2x12 supports & bolts- 600#
Your trailer with 8" frame- 1000#?All this on two 3.5k axles?How much is the trailer worth to you if it breaks? How much would it hurt you if the garage was damaged in some way in transit?I still think a crane is the easiest.Once again, please take pictures.
Jon Blakemore
oh, c'mon Jon - - the 3.5K is just a suggestion....
"there's enough for everyone"
well i'd be really p.o. if the trailer folded,the garage is only 4 yrs old and was one of those preassembled,bring it out and nail together.lose the garage oh well,it's built so cheaply i wouldn't cry. ok i'll bite on the crane deal, what would your suggestion be to rig it for a crane lift.all i can think of is run 2 beams maybe 32' long through the sides at the top plate, then nylon straps up over the roof,balnce would be very critical with this setup. suggestions ?thanks larryhand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.
Larry,My first suggestion would be to get a hold of the local crane company and ask them to send a salesman out. They will have the experience to apply their available equipment to your problem.I would guess that if they the right spreader bars you could just rig up some supports, strap it and go. What is the exterior wall sheathing? They pick up modulars all the time in a similar fashion. The modules are narrower but I don't think that's an insurmountable obstacle.I'm sure you could do this very easily with the right equipment. Whether that equipment is available to you for a reasnable price is another discussion.
Jon Blakemore
Ain't no way you'll balance that. It'll be like trying to push a car around on a skate board. Get a bigger trailer or rent the crane. Better yet, have someone who knows what they're doing move it.
Thats what I thought.How are you going to balance a 24' square structure with 18' long boards?I think a crane would by far be your cheapest (and easiest) route.Something like this:
Jon Blakemore
Unless you have absolutely no overjhang at sofits, you have more shingles than that, and with paper and nails it comes to 260#/sq so there is over a ton just in the shingle portion of the roof. Abnout the same for all that osb brings you to close to 4500|#
All the rest is sure to get it up over seven thousand pounds easily - dry. Yolu'll be maxed out so drive slow.
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I have to agree with Jon.
For that short of distance pipe or polls would be better. You wouldn't have to lift the building up so high and can have better support under it as you move it.
The house that we own in Richmond, VA was moved once around 1901 and again between 1925 and 1928 using polls and horses. The ground wasn't level either.
and as some one else asked ...........Get Some Pictures Of It As You Move It..... we would dearly love to see how you went about moving it.
Dane
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"there's enough for everyone"
that would do it
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I had an uncle once who bought some houses that had to be moved because of a dam project. Along with the houses were some one car garages. He had a unique way to move them. He loosend the plates, backed in a flat bed, let the air out of the tires, nailed braces across, inflated the tires and drove off with the garage. He didn't have to go far and the sills scraped the road once and a while but I thought it was pretty slick.
When I built my new garage, I had to get rid of the old single stall garage that was there. I sold it to a house moving company (actually, I basically gave it away, but it was better than going to effort and expense of tearing it down and throwing it away.) The moving company basically did the same thing - they lifted it up about a foot, backed a flatbed truck in, bolted in some crossmembers, let it down on the bed of the truck, and drove off.
They took it away at 2am so they would avoid traffic. The next day, I was talking to the neighbor kid; he had been out to the bar that night, and he was pretty drunk when he got home. He was sitting on the couch watching the late show on TV when he looked up and saw my garage passing by the window...for a minute, he thought he was hallucinating.
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