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Gunners new crib. (maybe)

Gunner | Posted in General Discussion on June 15, 2007 02:38am

    So my wife and I are finally coming together on what we want for a house. I’m getting my head wrapped around it anyway. She’s always been gung ho.

   We found a lot, and a builder. We are pretty close to the plans for the house we want. The sub division is upscale which isn’t a bad thing. We are building this with re sale value in mind. We are getting a killer deal on it. My Mom, sister and bro in law work for the developer/ builder. They used to do tract homes, now they are getting into  custom homes. Actually they’ve been doing both for a few years.

   My Mom and Bro inlaw are real estate agents for the guy. My sister is his broker and construction manager. So off the top we get don’t have to pay any commissions on the sale of our house and we get their commission knocked off of the one we are buying. Six percent savings right there, on both houses. Plus we get a family discount through the builder. We also get to pick our subs. Big plus there as he has some pretty good ones and some pretty bad ones.

   The lots border an old farmstead. The one we picked backs up to a wood lot with a creek. It’s on a cul de sack. I like that. My sister and her husband are working on getting the one next door that’s already under construction. It will be a good deal as we live just a few doors down from them now and get along great. They are good people.

   One of the pluses to being “connected” is I can do my own upgrades and like I said pick my own subs, from their subs. The super that will be assigned is pretty anal but also communicates well with the homeowner. Big bonus.

  As far as tricking it out, I’m going to pre wire mine and my sisters for future home automation. Theme lighting all that. Last night we laid out future wire chases in their house. We’re going to pull all our own cat6 and cable.

  I don’t think I’m going to do my own electric. They have three subs to choose from. One of them is a guy I know from high school. And his lead man is the guy that got me started in electric. It’s in good hands and I should be able to add some of my own stuff on his permit. Like down lighting from the eves. Receptacles for Christmas tree lights. That kind of crap.

   We are adding a walkout basement too. That’s my man space. Wood shop and workout area. I’m also going to frame in one room for media and utilities.

  What do you guys think? Tips? Ideas?

  I’ll attach the plans in the next post.

 

 

 

 

I’m Huge in Japan!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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    Gunner | Jun 15, 2007 02:44pm | #1

       We are goping to do one of these two. We are going to turn the garage sideways, and add a walkout basement.

    http://www.dogwoodhomes.com/links/floor_plans/fp_com_savannah_a.htm

    http://www.dogwoodhomes.com/links/floor_plans/fp_com_savannah_b.htm

     

     

     

     

    I'm Huge in Japan!

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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      Gunner | Jun 15, 2007 02:56pm | #2

         This is the development. They doubled up some of the lots, so it's only going to be 30 lots instread of 49.

      http://www.dogwoodhomes.com/links/communities/com_old_springhouse.htm

       

       

       

       

      I'm Huge in Japan!

       

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

      1. TomT226 | Jun 15, 2007 07:44pm | #11

        Looks good.  Might want to check the flood plain info and see how your elevation is, and if it's considered 50-100 year cycles.  Check the plat for your PUE's since you have all UG utilities.  No flight paths over ya'll I hope.

        No gardens? How you gonna feed the varmits? 

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          Gunner | Jun 15, 2007 07:51pm | #12

             It's built up enough to not flood I believe. I'll take some pictures of the lot next time we go out.

             What's a PUE?

           

           

           

           

          I'm Huge in Japan!

           

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          1. TomT226 | Jun 15, 2007 07:59pm | #13

            Public Utility Easement.  Usually where your electric, cable, telephone, etc are buried.  Some lots have PUE's on all sides, usually shared 5' width which allows access to junctions and lines.  Your sewer and water generally don't follow those, as the sewer must be installed on grade from your outfall. 

            You know, all that plumbing sh*t.... 

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            Gunner | Jun 15, 2007 10:27pm | #14

                I gotcha now. All that is already in. One bonus is we are going to have the same electric company as we do now. That's a bonus because they are much better then the other ones around us. Great service and few outages.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          3. TomT226 | Jun 17, 2007 01:00am | #72

            Been considering our 25+ years of development out here, and have come up with a few tips.

            Pour an extra slab or footer for a BBQ/greenhouse/utility/recreation structure when your house slab is poured.  Go ahead and bury an AC drop to it also.  You can just let it sit until you have the time and funds to build what you want.  Since you're a welder, you can use 3" square tube for the structure and dry it in like the house so it'll meet your HO rules.  Maybe 12'X24'.  With sidewalk.  Your girls would love a place to party with their friends and get'em outta the house.

            It's a lot easier to do it now than later.  Just a thought. 

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            Gunner | Jun 17, 2007 01:12am | #73

                That's a great idea. I want to plant my yard once and never again. I've also got to figure out how I'm going to incorporate my recently accuried steel ATM building into the new place.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          5. dustinf | Jun 17, 2007 02:03am | #74

            Why do you need a new house?

            Just curious.

             

            Glamorous

            Edited 6/16/2007 7:04 pm ET by dustinf

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            Gunner | Jun 17, 2007 03:27am | #75

               I need it for the Nookie.

               Seriously. I don't care where I live. I have an 88 Chevy pickup in the driveway that I haven't driven since December. I could live in it.

               This is something that the wife wants. With the money I can make selling this house, and the money I can save by the discounts and not paying realtor fees. I'm only going to have to finance half of the house. And it's three to four times the house I have now. This place is a gold mine. I was offered double what I paid for it five years after I moved into it. I was a bone head then for not selling it. Even in a slow market I don't think I will have much of a problem selling it.

               The wife wants a bigger better house. I'm not going to have to do anything to it that I don't want to. And we will have the house we can get a lot of pleasure from for the next fifteen or twenty years.

                 My only dilemma is I need to get it on the market by early August to take advantage of the location to local schools. It's In the middle of everything, yet it's a dead end quite street.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          7. Sancho | Jun 17, 2007 04:43pm | #84

            YEa my wife has been pinging on me for a new house. If I do move after retire well Its got to be into a new one. 

                         

            View Image    "We fight not to enslave ,but to set free"

            Thomas Paine

          8. Sancho | Jun 17, 2007 04:42pm | #83

            Thats a great idea. He can figure out where and if he wants a bar-b-q or outdoor kitchen, Ive been thinking about building a covered one for the house, If I stay here after I retire. 

                         

            View Image    "We fight not to enslave ,but to set free"

            Thomas Paine

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      CapnMac | Jun 15, 2007 05:03pm | #4

      one of these two

      I'm no fan of formal dining rooms, nor laundry-room-as-mudroom; but I have no good "cure" for it, either. 

      The size of that dining room, though, nags at me--it's not long enough and too wide.

      Me, I'd "wing" that dining room across the end of the kitchen, "crossing the T" of the great room.  The space presently used, I'd convert into a better entry/away room space. 

      But, that's me.  And nobody can afford me (I have the bad paper to prove it, too).Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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        Gunner | Jun 15, 2007 06:33pm | #10

            Formal dining rooms are alright. I'd like to make a kick azz library out of it though.

         

         

         

         

        I'm Huge in Japan!

         

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

    3. Buttkickski | Jun 15, 2007 05:46pm | #7

      "We are going to turn the garage sideways, "

      Excellent idea. Both of those choices you linked popped "garage" as soon as I opened them. 

      "I never met a man who didn't owe somebody something."

    4. mizshredder2 | Jul 04, 2007 08:36pm | #160

      Dude - just stumbled on this thread and haven't yet read all the way thru but gotta say, after opening the links ya posted to see what the house looks like, my IMMEDIATE thought was:

      THERE we go again!  Another house designed by PROS with a roofline and front door that BEGS for a run of rain gutter to prevent walking thru a sheet of rain coming off the roof on ya when ya approach the main entrance.  And I thought back to a thread of long ago where both Piffin and Mike Smith were taking the position IIRC that a "well designed house" doesn't need no ugly azz gutters...

      Only dead fish swim with the stream.                                                                       Author Unknown

      Edited 7/4/2007 1:36 pm by mizshredder2

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        Gunner | Jul 04, 2007 11:37pm | #161

            Man I've been back and forth on gutters for years. Come to think of it. I'm just assuming this place has gutters. I'll have to check.

         

        MP

         

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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    SamT | Jun 15, 2007 04:54pm | #3

    Too far from garage to kitchen. You have to go thru the hall next to the MBR or thru the dining room.

    Where's the down to basement stairs? Gonna lose the closet between DR and Kitchen?

    I would add a closet in the MBR to the hall wall.

    If you go with plan B, swap BR #4 and bonus room.

    Formal DR or Media room? Media room or Formal DR?

    Breakfast area + Great room + Formal Dining Room?

    Edit: I would think about moving the Great Room 16" left and widening the foyer/entrance hall.

    SamT

    Praise the Corporation, for the Corporations' highest concern is the well being of the public.



    Edited 6/15/2007 9:58 am by SamT

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      Gunner | Jun 15, 2007 06:08pm | #8

          Good points. I found out this morning that we are going with A. We don't need the fourth bedroom.

          To work in that subdivision the house needs to be flipped over. The garage will be on the left and be a side entrance. The kitchen and breakfast area are going to be in the same spot but swapped. So they will be closer to the garage. That helps. This will be the first one of this series that they are building so they don't have all the variations on the plans up.

       

       

       

       

      I'm Huge in Japan!

       

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

  3. formula1 | Jun 15, 2007 05:06pm | #5

    Best thing we added was a garage stairway to the basement; good thing for the man-cave and the marriage! Stairway and a hallway bend tended to make it a little long, so we framed a platform over the end of it to reclaim some garage space for a softener and refrig/freezer.

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    BillHartmann | Jun 15, 2007 05:07pm | #6

    "The sub division is upscale which isn't a bad thing."

    But will they let you in?

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    A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
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      Gunner | Jun 15, 2007 06:27pm | #9

         I'm sneaking in. LOL. The list of restrictions is something like seven pages long. The two I don't like are the fence rule. You can only construct black four rail horse fences. You can however put a chain link fence behind it, and paint it black. i'm thinking that that would look tacky. My soon to be neighbors and we have decided on invisible fences for our dogs. The rules also prohibit gardens.

         When the development is sold out then the developer will appoint a neighborhood association and President. My sister (remember she is the developers right hand person) Sez it would be easy to get me appointed. Then we can change the rules. You probably rolled your eyes same as I did when she proposed that. I don't see it going good either. I might strike down the garden and fence ordinance then step down. LOL

         I have no aspirations for neighborhood politics. Especially in that part of the county. About ten years ago they car bombed the police chief of a neighborhood a little bit bigger then this one. They don't play.

       

       

       

       

      I'm Huge in Japan!

       

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

      1. natb | Jun 15, 2007 11:09pm | #15

        >>The rules also prohibit gardens.Looked to me like gardens were only prohibited in the front yard. I agree that the fence rule is weird--black or not, chain link looks out of place around a nice house.Also noticed that commercial vehicles can't be parked in the street or on the lot. I can see the reason for the rule, but it could be a pain sometimes.

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          Gunner | Jun 15, 2007 11:18pm | #16

             I need to go back and look at the rules again. Maybe I mis read that.

             Yea the vehicle rules are a little strict. I believe they are geared towards keeping everything looking tidy while they try to sell lots. I don't mind it though as I wouldn't be too happy if my neighbor started running a business out of his garage and had his crews coming there every morning and parking all over the place.

           

           

           

           

          I'm Huge in Japan!

           

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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          Gunner | Jun 15, 2007 11:34pm | #17

             I guess I did mis read that. Thanks. Wonder what they will think of compost bins? LOL.

             That's one of the reasons I wanted to post this here. You guys will keep me straight on what's what.

           

           

           

           

          I'm Huge in Japan!

           

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

      2. alwaysoverbudget | Jun 16, 2007 12:04am | #19

        gunner,one thing about it you completely understand homeowner assoc. politics. if you don't like something just become president,change it and leave. i have seen this time after time in ours. i wish there was a rule that if a president implimented a change he would have to post a 10,000.00 bond. if he moves within 7 years all the homeowners get to split the bond.

         

        homeowner associtions suck,period. they cause way more grief than back in the old days you would walk over to your neighbor and tell him your sick of looking at his junk car and he would smile and say i'll do something about it,thanks  larry                                      hand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.

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          Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 12:13am | #21

              You are one hundred percent correct. It is BS for the most part. And the ones that don't comply tend to make it a real pain in the biscuits for the ones charged with making them comply.

             My dad is president of his. They live in a patio home development. He's the only one that gets in trouble. His neighbors are always busting his chops if he leaves his garbage cans out too long. It's all good natured. One of the reasons he got elected and has stayed elected. (Actually they draft him.) He doesn't try to gain anything. He just takes care of business and that's all.

           

           

           

           

          I'm Huge in Japan!

           

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          1. Mooney | Jun 16, 2007 12:55am | #22

            Only thing I got to say is Im happy for ya .

            Id a rather you had joined the repo forces but I cant sway many. Mebbe someday you will try a flip potential property.

            Then again theres nothing wrong with what you are doing .

            You have some knowledge savy people around you out there and I would listen to them.

            Tim  

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 02:04am | #23

               I just don't have the interest in repos or flipping. I want to go home and relax after work.

               Your right about the knowledge around me. I hit the jackpot.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jun 16, 2007 02:33am | #25

            I know you travel a LOT for work. So, I guess ya figguered out that ya need a focii point of the radius of said travel. I don't know about the wifes working distances, but keep in mind that...just where you are looking to move, so is everyone else.

            Bottom line, I ain't got much else to offer, good or bad, just best of luck to you both.

            If you sell my tool inheritance, to buy this gig, then we got a problem PAL.

            G'wishes, go for your dream. 

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 03:55am | #27

               I'll have to drive about six more miles to work. She will be about the same. It's a pretty popular area right now. One advantage for me is most people commute toward Louisville. I'll be commuting away from Louisville. My wife will have to go with the commuters.  I've tried to point that out to her but she doesn't seem concerned.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jun 16, 2007 04:26am | #28

            It might sound silly, but I like jobs where I can travel west in the AM and East in the PM, I abhorr the sun in my eyes..I flew too long to enjoy that.

            Go with the flow, rotation of the sphere and shid..makes life less hectic. 

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 04:31am | #29

               We go North and South to work so that's not a problm. I do know what you mean about the East West thing though. I hate that.

               I forgot in my first post. I think I forgot anyway. I'm going to trim the house myself. Their trim guys are butt cut and run guys. I aint having it. I also want Windsor one instead of the cheap stuff they use.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jun 16, 2007 04:53am | #32

            What Gman said..

            I think I know a roofer or two when the flashings need done right.

            "windsor one"  I have no clue about, is that an upgrade or something? 

          8. seeyou | Jun 16, 2007 04:56am | #34

            >>>>>>>>"windsor one" I have no clue about, is that an upgrade or something?I think that's the 1x and 5/4 brand we get from Congleton.http://grantlogan.net/

          9. seeyou | Jun 16, 2007 04:35am | #30

            Hey, if you turn the garage sideways, won't you have to do perpendicular parking? And how do you keep the car that's on top from sliding down into the car that's on the bottom?I say go for it - it's a buyer's market on that type of home right now. Interest rates may be going up, so lock in ASAP if you're gonna do it.How big's the lot? Fest size I hope.http://grantlogan.net/

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 04:48am | #31

               3/4 of an acre. It would be a pretty decent fest site. If we have it before all the houses are built we'll have a free porta potty. They are everywhere.

               I wouldn't mind having a fest with a house like that. But I don't want the hassle of herding the cats and collecting the money. And ordering T-shirts. I always thought someone besides the host should take care of the T-shirts anyway.

               To answer all your other probing before you probe. I'd do 2008 if you were the treasurer. I know my neighbors on my right are cool. The rest of them I'd have to get a feel for. That is after they actually build houses there.

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

            Edited 6/15/2007 9:49 pm ET by Gunner

          11. seeyou | Jun 16, 2007 04:54am | #33

            >>>>>>>To answer all your other probing before you probe. I'd do 2008 if you were the treasurer. I know my neighbors on my right are cool. The rest of them I'd have to get a feel for. That is after they actually build houses there.I'm just responding in kind to your suggestion that I'm having the next one. The current one ain't happened yet. You've actually put some "fest" thought into the purchasing process, haven't you? I'll be the treasurer - I take visa and m/c.http://grantlogan.net/

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 05:02am | #35

               I know what you are doing. LOL

              Every house I look at I think tents and horse shoe pits. Besides my master plan is to get everyone commited then back out a week before. Since everyone is headed this way your house is the next logical choice, And since you already have the money it's a lock. Flocking genius aint I?

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

            Edited 6/15/2007 10:03 pm ET by Gunner

          13. seeyou | Jun 16, 2007 05:08am | #37

            >>>>>>>>Since everyone is headed this way your house is the next logical choice,Yeah, but Waco is tent/horseshoe pit heaven. If I was a tent or a horseshoe, Waco is where I'd yearn to be.http://grantlogan.net/

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 05:15am | #40

               You know. Even all the way over here People brag up Waco as a  tent and horse shoe Meca. It's really something to see. Is what all the tents and horse shoes say.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          15. seeyou | Jun 16, 2007 05:09am | #38

            Maybe I'm wrong - look at the post two above this one.http://grantlogan.net/

            Edited 6/15/2007 10:09 pm ET by seeyou

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 05:17am | #41

               The Mayor of Waco speaks.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jun 16, 2007 05:25am | #43

            ROTFLMAO..You guys are the best...

            Ok, FU, have at it, Waco it is..200(9)  I need to sober up, an that'll take two yrs...

            Heavy heavy fuel..I think I can burn for weeks...invisible flame. 

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 05:33am | #46

               I forgot earlier. Your inheritance will be safer then ever in their basement workshop.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jun 16, 2007 05:47am | #47

            I'll buy the dehumidifacation unit, not that I think I'll need it mind you, but if you keep living, and I need the tools///well,,all bets are off.

            Ceriously, do a  radon check if you want to be a cellar -dweller, that shid is sneaky. 

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 05:50am | #48

               Walkout basement. Not a problemo.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jun 16, 2007 06:00am | #50

            WRONG.

            Radon don't work that way.

            Do get a soil test, and , well, that other one...I lost many K on my sale, cuz my shop showed " you are now dead" levels.

             I ain't drunk, or kidding. 

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 06:04am | #52

               I'll check into it then. I know at one time Radon pipes were required to be run from the crawl space or basement to the roof in case the house ever showed positive for radon. Not sure if they still do that.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            CapnMac | Jun 16, 2007 09:48am | #59

            Waco it is..200(9) 

            Cool, only 90 miles away.  There's a couple of cool potential locations, too.  One is just off I-35 on the Brazos river.  It's likely got tents & shoes pitching (and washers for those who don't shoe).

            Since you've taken to hair cutteing, it might even be safe to let you drive 'round Loop 340 (where the exit to Elk is).

            There's also a small city park on the north end of Waco's pedestrian suspension bridge, that used to be famous for being a real-life setting for "Something About A Sunday" (smell of frying chickens, playing chilluns, bleary-eyed folk recovering from "[S]moking [their] mind the night before ... ")  Meatly near the DP museum, too.

            Hmm, there's a bit of campsite over by the Texas Rangers Museum (the LE folk, not the awful MLB team).

            Only weird thing is that metro-Waco looks like a big town, but is really 8-12 abutting tiny towns, circling the various infedels, heretics, apostates, heathens, and riff-raff that just cannot be tolerated (unless "their" town is at the end of the block, apparently).  SO?  So, it means the nearest 7-11 might not have any beer in it.  Means, too, the first "wet" stop-n-rob may not have any beer either, 'cause all the intolerant folk bought them dry already . . .

            Wait, didn't we con-er, talk TxLandlord into hosting before he was distracted by motel-building?Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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            JeffBuck | Jun 16, 2007 09:52am | #60

            does EZRider still hold a bike rodeo at the fair grounds each summer?

             

            went there for the first time right after the cult compound went up in flames ...

            Jeff    Buck Construction

             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

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            CapnMac | Jun 16, 2007 11:23am | #61

            EZRider still hold a bike rodeo at the fair grounds each summer?

            Probably, but they don't advertize it "down here" any more--most folks will go 30 minutes to Dawgs On Hawgs in Somerville, rather than 90 miuntes up to Waco.

            went there for the first time right after the cult compound went up in flames ...

            Which was in the outskirts of Elk; and why Duane's only allowed nearby clean-cut and middling "straight" . . . (and McClendon County is flat, flat, flat--so, that's not likely to be comforting as all those ol' kantuckee hills).Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

          26. seeyou | Jun 16, 2007 05:26am | #44

            Hey, if you get to pick your own subs, I'll let ya borrow "Los Guys" if they can get here down I-64. They love that flea market at Simpsonville.http://grantlogan.net/

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 05:32am | #45

               Heck they ought too. That's like a Mexican reunion there every Saturday aint it?

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          28. seeyou | Jun 16, 2007 05:57am | #49

            >>>>>>>>That's like a Mexican reunion there every Saturday aint it?Pretty much every day. There's lots of Hispanics around there. Los Guys are originally from Honduras except for Macgregor, who is from Scotland by way of Honduras.http://grantlogan.net/

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 06:01am | #51

               Feel sorry for the cop that has to sort that out in a traffic accident.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jun 16, 2007 06:06am | #53

            We miss Oachaccka..sumbidtch was a fun guy to watch.  He carried that 24x24 pic like a 10' 2x4 on his shoulder...weighed less than me.

            Grinning, all the time. 

          31. seeyou | Jun 16, 2007 06:19am | #56

            Yeah, I miss Max, too. I heard from him about a month ago - I think he's getting married to his high school honey.http://grantlogan.net/

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            Sphere | Jun 16, 2007 05:18am | #42

            Pre-emptive strike...If I am pre-emptive , I am absolved...and Waco is in Tehas. 

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            Sphere | Jun 16, 2007 05:07am | #36

            2008 fest...all alone in a derivast plenumn of the hot, torrid, remains of the usta-be tangible corn rows..

            Freakin Tom, went and pulled the first red lever, now we are toast.

            The dry wind is purple, you have the eyeshild6000K mega goggles..and viewing off of your porch, you see 3 moons..one is real, but real is realative...

             

            Whoops..I am back. 

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 05:13am | #39

               DUDE!    We aint doing shrooms on my back deck. Stop practicing.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Luka | Jun 16, 2007 11:24am | #62

            You have a fest and I'll be there. They'll have to shoot me to keep me away.=0)Same goes for SeeYou. Either place. Good place, good people.I'll be driving. I hate planes.

            Fight fire with water.

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 02:04pm | #65

                It got moved to Waco. The tent and Horse shoe pit capitol of Ky. 30 minutes South of Seeyou.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          37. Sancho | Jun 16, 2007 04:06pm | #66

            Hey G if your gonna have a wood shop/ media oom in the basement ya might want to think about what yer gonna do for a noise barrier. Believe me nothings worse getting into the middle of a job ..tunes cranking making wood chips and the wife comes down screaming about the noise..
            Just messes my rythem all up. 

                         

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            Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 04:11pm | #67

               Yea I'm giving that a lot of thought. Also my dust collection locations before they pour the basement.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          39. Sancho | Jun 17, 2007 04:37pm | #81

            Id go with a cyclone and a air cleaner as well. But the noise ur gona have to do some pretty thic insultation to stop mama from going nuts especially if you like music with a sub woofer
            Not mention keeping the dust from being tracked around the house/ laundry room/ wives areas.. That can be deadly 

                         

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          40. seeyou | Jun 16, 2007 06:49pm | #68

            >>>>>>>>>>>>>tunes cranking making wood chips and the wife comes down screaming about the noise..I've found a way to get rid of the wood chips and stop the screaming all in one motion...........http://grantlogan.net/

          41. plantlust | Jun 16, 2007 07:23pm | #69

            Gunner
            If you are going to put the laundry room in the basement, make sure to set up a laundry chute thru the 2nd & 1st floors.My parents added that to their house when it was first built (Father was an engineer & Mother is VERY practical). Builder liked it so much, he stole their idea making it an expensive option for his next houses.Blue-eyed cicada found in Downers Grove IL!

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            Gunner | Jun 17, 2007 12:10am | #70

               As a matter of fact we just resolved that issue. (I think) I was mistaken when I said the laundry was going in the basement. We just walked through several homes today. I was looking at the plans for ours and mentioned to the wife that we could use the laundry room for a mud room because the washer and dryer were in the basement. She said I was nuts. The washer and dryer were going on the first floor where all the action is. She wasn't going to go up and down the stairs. I offered a laundry chute as an option. I really want a dedicated mud room. She likes it so it's back down in the basement as long as I frame in a room when we move in. We are still going to run the plumbing upstairs for it just in case we change out mind.

               The second floor is just going to be a guest room and office. No need for a chute up there.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

      3. Geoffrey | Jun 17, 2007 07:10am | #76

        <<When the development is sold out then the developer will appoint a neighborhood association and President. My sister (remember she is the developers right hand person) Sez it would be easy to get me appointed. Then we can change the rules.>>

        Gunner,

        better go back and re-read .....click on "restrictions" and read article #31.......I think it says you're stuck for 30 yrs. with the existing covenants before you can change them, at least that's the way I interpret the wording....may be I'm mis-reading.....but......

         I sorely dislike any attempt by an "association" to tell me what I can do with my property.....I'll take the chance of a "bad" neightbor, but it's my house and my yard..... but , that's my preference, yours may vary...as they should in this great country!

        Good luck with your build though!

                       Geoff

         

        1. plantlust | Jun 17, 2007 07:57am | #77

          Gunner
          One more suggestion (er, right now it's only one more<G>), is there anyway to put a plug/outlet thingy next to the lightswitch in each room?I mean in addition to the double plug/outlet thingy near the baseboards in each room. My reasoning is that it is a heck of a lot easier plugging the vacuum cleaner in next to the lightswitch instead of bending over, moving furniture or otherwise trying to find the darn plug/outlet.Unless this is going to be a rrrrreeeeeeaaaaallll swanky house & it will have that in wall vacuum system?Who's MY daddy? FRANKIE's my daddy!!

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          Gunner | Jun 17, 2007 01:38pm | #79

              I'll have to go through it again. My wife and my brother in law supposedly read them. They already had the garden one wrong. I just scanned through them. The bonus for us is we are in tight with the developer. If it's a big deal to us then we can get it changed before the sub division is sold out. I see most of them as good.

           

           

           

           

          I'm Huge in Japan!

           

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            SamT | Jun 18, 2007 08:11am | #87

            I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but I did represent, by Proxy, a group of owners against their corporate board in the Board meetings, and did successfully represent myself and my roommate against the Boards' agent in court in California.

            After what all the others have said about them, I looked up your CC&R's myself. That has got to be the worst written ones of the few I have studied.

            Para # 1 conflicts with #8 and #25.

            Para #5 "With weather allowing" is too ambiguous a loophole.

            Para #7 may require the developer to move his office in 18 months.

            Para #10 will lead to conflicts just because it ignores unforeseen circumstances and has no remedies.

            Para #11 prevents a new owner from doing anything on the lot until they start construction.

            Para # 11 also imposes a $240/year fee payable to the developer for 3 years for mowing, and thereafter a cost based fee until construction is started. See also para #36 in re $100/year for everything.

            Para #13 is ambiguous. Is it Brick, vinyl, wood or stone, or is it at least 90% brick or stone and the trim that can be wood or vinyl? Does the 90% include doors and windows? Are these materials prescriptive or must the developer approve each instance? See also para # 25 for more evidence of ambiguity in this para.

            Para #16 should be more specific in the details of the fence design, i.e., height, post spacing, rail dimensions and spacing. Black?!?!?

            Para # 17 add the words "decorative wrought" before the words "iron fencing." This para implies that only iron fencing is allowed.

            Para #21 the phrase "or the ordinary garden or field variety" is meaningless as used.

            Para #22a: Typo. The word "if" before the word "such" should read "of." Regarding the phrase "excepting only normal wear and tear." Normal wear and tear is what regular maintenance is supposed to correct. As the para is worded now, a Teflon HO would not have to repair faded, chipped, and cracked paint, or an old roof, or any of the things proud HOs do to keep their homes value up.

            Para #22b: prevents the unlucky HO from restoring the lot to a vacant lot, it also prevents him from replacing his home with a different model.

            Para #26 prevents long term auto projects in your own garage.

            Para # 28a is in direct conflict with para's 28b and # 29 in that lot drainage is a function of grading.

            Para #31 sets the majority required to amend to 75% of owners. This implies that Corporate voting shares are 1 per owner and not 1 per lot. Editor: I agree with this scheme.

            Para #32 Typos, add comma after "Farms" and after "36"

            Para #36 sets the corporate annual income at $3000.00 to maintain and pay utilities for streetlights, ponds, street cleaning, landscaping and other common areas. $30 a week to mow any common areas is half that. This para reinforces the concept that voting shares are per owner and not per lot.

            Para #38 exempts any vacant lot or house from paying dues.

            I don't know how muf 'fluence you have thru your family to do anything about it, but if you can only make one change, try to get the required majority to change the CC&R's dropped to 66%.SamT

            Praise the Corporation, for the Corporations' highest concern is the well being of the public.

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            Gunner | Jun 18, 2007 02:02pm | #88

                Jeezus Counselor! Thanks. I figured if I had a problem I would call Shaggy in and we'd own the place in a week. But I might have to reconsider. You'd be a real ball breaker at a home owners meeting. :)

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

        3. DougU | Jun 17, 2007 05:24pm | #85

          I sorely dislike any attempt by an "association" to tell me what I can do with my property.....I'll take the chance of a "bad" neighbor

          I dont care much for association either, I'm sure they feel the same about me though! You can always have a bonfire while the "bad" nieghbor is away but its hard to circumvent that association.

          Doug

  5. hasbeen | Jun 16, 2007 12:01am | #18

    Good for you, Gunner.

    I doubt you'll ever regret going for it.

    "Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd."

    ~ Voltaire

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      Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 12:06am | #20

          I hope not. If they keep everythin as they are planning it now, then I'll have decent resale value.

       

       

       

       

      I'm Huge in Japan!

       

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

  6. TLE | Jun 16, 2007 02:17am | #24

    If you haven't already planned on it -  go with 9' basement walls.

    Makes all the differance in the world in utilizing the basement - especially if a work shop is planned.

    Any need for radiant heat in the basement floor in your neck of the woods?

    Terry

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      Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 03:51am | #26

          Good idea on the height. I have to make that a priority. I don't see a need for radiant heat. The climate isn't that bad here.

       

       

       

       

      I'm Huge in Japan!

       

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

  7. andybuildz | Jun 16, 2007 06:09am | #54

    Scuse' me if someone already said what I'm about to say...too wiped out to read all the posts...spent 10 hours today non stop shoveling and moving mulch...whewwwwwwww...
    I'd never put a laundry room on the first floor. They belong near the bedrooms. Thats a HUGE plus!! I've "never" had a bad experiance with flooding. Just use the right connections and hoses and if you're real paronoid a pan to a drain.
    Secondly...I did a finished basement for someone once where he was going to put his shop. I dug out an exterior stairwell that was six feet wide and used glass sliding doors into the basement with a roof loaded with skylights over it.

    Great news dude..hope it happens for ya...lucky you didn't buy that farm...see how things work out when they don't work out sometimes?
    All you'll need is a tipi to bless the place...some people put a xmas tree on the peak of the roof...I prefere tipis out side...lol.
    Mazal tov (good luck)
    avi

     

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      Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 06:16am | #55

          The laundry is going in the basement. I keep forgetting to mention stuff like that. I don't know what we are going to do with that space. Probably will be the stairs to the basement.

        Like I said this is going to be a walkout basement.  My dream shop would be this one.

      http://www.woodcentral.com/shots/shot171.shtml

       

      I'm Huge in Japan!

       

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

      Edited 6/15/2007 11:18 pm ET by Gunner

      1. andybuildz | Jun 16, 2007 06:41am | #57

        Why put the laundry room in the basement when all the dirty laundry is two flights up from there??

         

        "What people will notice and remember is the broad brush of how how we act.We can aspire to reach our high ideals, or we can slide down the slippery slope towards the despicable." rjw

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          Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 01:58pm | #63

             I don't want to hear or see the washer and dryer. Frees up space on the second floor. It's going to be an inconvenience. But I think it will be worth it.

           

           

           

           

          I'm Huge in Japan!

           

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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        JeffBuck | Jun 16, 2007 08:50am | #58

        so when do I start running trim?

         

        got bad news though ... halfway thru yer job ...

        my back will go out.

         

        let's do the kitchen too.

         

        Jeff    Buck Construction

         Artistry In Carpentry

             Pittsburgh Pa

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          Gunner | Jun 16, 2007 02:01pm | #64

              Man I'd love to be able to afford you. One thing about this builder that I've noticed already. He does very basic trim. And his trim guy butt cuts all his quarter round. UGLY! Luckily the lumber supplier they use also carries Windsor one. So I can get it at his price. And with the volume that he buys I can get a heck of a price.

             I'll rub your back and make it all better.

           

           

           

           

          I'm Huge in Japan!

           

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            JeffBuck | Jun 17, 2007 09:27am | #78

            "Man I'd love to be able to afford you."

             

            U can't afford good beer?

            a case of Corsendonk is only $90 .... usually lasts more than a coupla days ....

             

             

            my one hous ebuying tip ... check out the local taxes. I know ever local is different ... and we got a weird tax structure here in Pgh ... we've totally nix'd our original "dream town" from the house search ... local taxes would be more than the actual mortgage.

            one or two towns away ... taxes are about half the mortgage.

             

            just can't see paying that much ... how clean can they scrub the streets?

            Jeff    Buck Construction

             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

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            Gunner | Jun 17, 2007 02:04pm | #80

               Do it for a case of beer and you have a deal. I don't know how fancy I'm going with the trim yet. We are doing trays in the master bedroom and the great room but I don't know if I'm going to crown them out now or later. The windows come standard with drywall returns. At first I was appalled, but after looking at several homes with it yesterday it doesn't look that bad.

               Trimfest?

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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          Gunner | Jun 17, 2007 12:17am | #71

              Today we went with my sister and walked through some homes the builder has completed. To get an idea of the layouts and such. On the third one I couldn't take it anymore. I blurted out. Does your freaking trim guy own a freaking miter saw?! Every piece of quarter round is butt cut. I was almost insane by the time we got done.

           

           

           

           

          I'm Huge in Japan!

           

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          1. Sancho | Jun 17, 2007 04:40pm | #82

            Yea I know about the but jointing the trim..big time here in SoCal esp with the illegal labor..But on the ounded corners the add a seperate curved piece and but the trim up to it. Are you going to have curved corners on yer walls?Also make a deal with the builder to knock some off and you'll trim it yerself or pay Jeff his case and get him out there....Hey jeff I'll get ya case just to come visit again ..seriously                    "We fight not to enslave ,but to set free"Thomas Paine

            Edited 6/17/2007 9:46 am by Sancho

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            Gunner | Jun 17, 2007 05:39pm | #86

                I'm figuring what I save doing my own trim will be offset by the cost of the Windsor one.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            CapnMac | Jun 18, 2007 05:54pm | #89

            I blurted out. Does your freaking trim guy own a freaking miter saw?!

            Spot you a local trim "person" (not a carpenter by any stretch of imagination) who only uses a miter saw.  All evidence indicates that not only do they not have a coping saw, but would not know what to do with one if provided (or why).Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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            Gunner | Jun 18, 2007 06:15pm | #90

                 I did look for copes and found none. My mission is to meet this guy and find out the real story.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            CapnMac | Jun 18, 2007 06:50pm | #91

            did look for copes and found none. My mission is to meet this guy and find out the real story

            10-4  Always makes me wonder about folk who have never known any better.  Which then causes some wondering if a simple demonstration would make "the light" go on . . .

            But, then again, folks using "perfect" 45º miters into imperfectly 90º corners, and "happy" with the results . . . Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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            Gunner | Jun 19, 2007 03:03am | #92

                 I'm not giving lessons.

               I'll tell you a quick story.My mom sells real estate for this builder. Her and dad had their kitchen and living room covered with hardwood flooring a couple of years ago. Dad asked if he could borrow my saw to do his quarter round with. I took it over there and decided to do it for him. My mom came home and saw it. She was impressed. I showed her the difference between the right way and the other way. She admitted that she had never really paid any attention before. A week later she called me and told me that she had started noticing quarter round and now the butt cuts looked like heck. I commented for what they probably pay their subs it's the best they are going to get.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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    Gunner | Jun 21, 2007 12:34pm | #93

         Tonight my wife and I toured a bad azz house that gave us plenty of ideas. The house belongs to our head of our security companies. We have two. One does just banks. And the other does residential, commercial, and home automation, central vacs and stuff.

       I was asking him about scene lighting the other day and he told me to come tour his house for ideas. He's actually just sold it. About half way through building it his wife filed for divorce. Together they could afford it but not separately.

       At first the wife didn't want to hear about scene lighting. Now we have to have it. He had his set up pretty cool. Walk in and everything comes on. Then he has it set up with four other scenes depending on what you are doing. One for getting up in the middle of the night where only certain lights come on dim. It's pretty righteous. And I can get a heck of a break on the devices. He had a system that was struck by lightning that the homeowner didn't 't want to wait on the repairs so he replaced all of theirs with the full price switches. (Around eighty bucks a piece.) And sent the old ones and the panel off to be repaired. Fifteen bucks a switch. Huge difference. I'm not sure about the panel.

        He had a pretty cool central vac idea too. In his kitchen cabinet toe kick and the base boards to his garage and front entrance he installed little devices that allows you to sweep all your dust too them then you open them and they suck the dust right up. I don't know if we can afford the whole central vac now. But I want to prep for it later.

     

     

     

     

    I'm Huge in Japan!

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

    1. TomT226 | Jun 21, 2007 02:15pm | #94

      I try to avoid "scenes" so I don't need the lighting.

      I retreat to the shop or mow the pasture... 

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        Gunner | Jun 21, 2007 07:31pm | #95

        Nothing like a good scene. Especially when you first wake up in the morning. :)

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        Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 05:22am | #96

            Drove my sister and her husband out tonight to check out their brick going up. while I was their I snapped a couple of pictures of the lot we want, and one of their house going up next to ours. The big hump on the lot is the septic.

         By the way. The lot passed it's perk test yesterday. The two lots next to it didn't. Is that a bad thing? They said the soil is too compacted I think.

         

         

         

         

        I'm Huge in Japan!

         

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          BillHartmann | Jun 22, 2007 06:23am | #98

          "By the way. The lot passed it's perk test yesterday. The two lots next to it didn't. Is that a bad thing? "Ye$$$$.Typically nothing that lot$$$ of ca$$$h can't fix..
          .
          A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

        2. TomT226 | Jun 22, 2007 01:10pm | #99

          NIce.  Think you ouoghta consider a lighter color for your roof, or metal.  Cut down on your AC in the summer.

          "Perk" is the ability for the ground to absorb water.  If they failed the "perk" test, then they may have to go to an evapo-transpiration or sprinkler type of drain-field. 

          How big are the lots out there anyway?  Down here, you have to have a lot of no less than an acre to have a septic disposal system.

          BTW, try to get a "grey" water system so you don't have to run your washer, showers or tubs into the system.  Just toilets and sinks.  Helps to stop overolading your system.  Also, disposals are a killer on septics.  Too much grease. 

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            Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 07:31pm | #102

                We're thinking lighter colors all the way around.

               I kind of thought that's how a Perk test works. I think our lot is going to be three quarters of an acre. And I'd never have a disposal, they are nasty.

               How does a grey water system work? I'm interested.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          2. TomT226 | Jun 22, 2007 07:50pm | #104

            Lot of it depends upon your plumbing codes.  You plumb a separate system for "black" water, toilets, kitchen and BR sinks, and your tubs, showers, and washing machine.  The "grey" water can be used to water grass and plants, even gardens with edible produce.

            I've had a system since we moved here which is a 55 gallon plastic drum mounted under the back deck with an access panel.  Sunk the drum 2' in the ground, poured a concrete base inside the drum, and put a sump pump in it.  Routed all "grey" water to the drum, and the outfall watered the garden, until we cut down the size. Now we use it to water grass around other areas.  Have a flexible hose with a buried outfall about 40' from the drum. We can move it where we want.

            Water and grease are big killers of drain fields.  You keep the field filled all the time, and it'll build up an "anerobic" mat that prevents the soil from absorbing  the treated water. 

            When your perk is bad, you can use a "evapo-transporation" system.  That means that you excavate the field, lay in some gravel, perf pipes, more gravel, then sandy loam topsoil.  The water evaporates instead of being absorbed.  That's what I have, and it's 1500 sq ft, 30x50.  I also put in standing vents at the end of every (4) run of drain pipe so I could pump when we had too much rain and the field is filled.

            I'd really look at what kind of system they're putting in on the other lots.  The sprinkler type systems can be dangerous because if your treament material runs out or fails, you'll be spraying untreated sewage on your yard. 

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            Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 08:01pm | #105

                Thanks. I've never lived on a septic system so I've never known anything about it. I can use all that type info you can throw at me.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          4. TomT226 | Jun 22, 2007 08:14pm | #106

            Don't know if your lot is in an incorporated area like a city or township, or if it's just  county jurisdiciton.  Get with the inspectors that do the septic/drain field stuff.  They should have all the info you need.

            If you have to go with a sprinkler type system, then it'll be difficult to use that part of the yard, as it may stay wet, and ANY water may not be 100% treated, no matter what they tell you.  It'll have to be completely dry and have had sunlight on it for a matter of hours.

            If you've got 3/4 acre, that means only 32,670 sq ft.  A sprinkled system can take up as much as 2000 sq ft.  Plus what you lose with the house, sidewalks, and outbuildings.

            I'd suggest you do a walk-around this weekend on the improved lots that have people living there and ask them about their systems and how satisfied they are with them.  Could avoid an expensive mistake.....and "scene" lighting..... 

          5. Sancho | Jun 22, 2007 08:18pm | #107

            Hey Rick....
            Is the layout of the kitchen sammich friendly..
            that would be a huge consideration 

                         

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            Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 08:23pm | #108

                Nah. Built in rice cooker and a tread mill on the floor so I can work out while I'm waiting for the rice to get done.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          7. Sancho | Jun 23, 2007 10:05pm | #128

            rice sammich? 

                         

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            Gunner | Jun 24, 2007 12:27am | #129

                Yea. Held together with Tofu.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 08:29pm | #111

               Those are great ideas. I'll be planting a garden back there so I need to know. I can't do a walk around this weekend. We are having a yard sale. My first in many years. I get very angry at people that insist on trying to talk me down on something that's worth fifty bucks and is priced at five bucks. I'm liable to go to jail or not sell a thing and have a fuming wife on my Azz for a while. LOL

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          10. plantlust | Jun 22, 2007 08:31pm | #112

            Don't call it a yard sale, don't call it a garage sale, call it an ESTATE SALE.

            That justifies the higher pricing<g>.Do dogs get addicted to licking toads or is that just prey instinct?

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            Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 08:35pm | #114

               My Bro in law and I were planning on calling it an art sale. Glue stuff together and charge thousands per item. Our wives didn't see the idea as bright. I think a coffee pot glued to a clothes iron would look great on someone's mantle.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            CapnMac | Jun 22, 2007 10:13pm | #118

            I get very angry at people that insist on trying to talk me down on something that's worth fifty bucks and is priced at five bucks.

            Yep, that's why I prefer eBay.  All you need are two people who both want the same thing.  They'll beat each other up to win instead of trying to beat you down so you never have to see it again.  Even better, they'll occasionally pay more than retail, to win, too (hard to imagine, prices for stuff are online--go figure).Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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            Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 11:17pm | #120

               I'm going to put stuff on Ebay too. Stuff of more value.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          14. TomT226 | Jun 23, 2007 02:44pm | #126

            Don't put a price on the items.  Just look at what they drove up in, and how they're dressed, and when they ask you "how much," give'em a price $10 higher than what you want for it.  It's always easier to come down than to go up.

            That always worked in my dad's "junk and curiosity" shop... 

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            Gunner | Jun 23, 2007 08:13pm | #127

               Wish I would have seen this this morning. LOL Man I'm having a ball.  It seems like everyone decided to have a yard sale this weekend. Four on our street alone. I just came in for a quick bite. The wife doesn't do retail well and I love it. I don't have any idea how much I've made But I have made three money drops in the safe after my pocket started over flowing. Lots of ones though. I've got everything priced to move. There's only been a very few that want to dicker and I don't budge. They've all met my price so far.

               I'm just having a ball wheeling and dealing.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Gunner | Jun 24, 2007 12:43am | #130

                I might have to open a store after today. Pulled in $180.00. Not bad for a bunch of stuff I would have thrown in the garbage. Also scored a Nordic trac off my Brother inlaw.

               I had three wooden tool boxes that I had made while farting around the shop. Last night I decided to throw them in and get rid of them. I marked them at five bucks apiece. No one even asked about them or commented on them. So after lunch I marked them down to two bucks a piece. Still no interest. Finally a couple came by and the wife got all excited about them. I knew right then I screwed up. Both of them were gah gahing about how nice they were made. He asked me if I had anymore? I replied I had a couple but needed them. I have to learn patience.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jun 24, 2007 12:59am | #131

            " learn patience"

            And how about making more tool boxes?  LOL 

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            Gunner | Jun 24, 2007 03:57am | #135

               My thinking wheels are turning.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          19. splintergroupie | Jun 24, 2007 01:32am | #132

            It was common in the art fair business to mark up the cost of a hand-made item until it sold. My little tables went from not selling at $250 to selling well at $400. I could make ten of them a week.

          20. TomT226 | Jun 24, 2007 03:14am | #133

            Sh*t girl, you rock.

            You need to move to Santa Fe and charge $1K for those.... 

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            Gunner | Jun 24, 2007 04:12am | #136

                My oldest brothers girlfriend stopped by and and was picking through our stuff. She sells stuff on a web site called Ruby Lane http://www.rubylane.com/ She buys stuff at yard sales and sells it on there. Her biggest problem is finding enough costume jewlery to keep up with the demand. We are talking plastic quarter and dollar stuff. She can sell all she can find for a pretty good profit.

               It brought me back to stuff that the wife and I ran across in New York city boutiques. I swear it was the same crap you see in Western truck stops. The plastic bear claw necklace stuff, and cheap bracelets for five bucks apiece. They sell em in Manhattan for hundreds.

               I've got my brain going a hundred miles an hour now.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          22. splintergroupie | Jun 24, 2007 07:44am | #139

            You sell 'em for $800 and we'll split the proceeds. I usually sold them to galleries for $350 and they keystoned ($700). I haven't made any in about four years now. I still have about $10K in exotic hardwoods and not the slightest interest in the sales end anymore.

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            Gunner | Jun 24, 2007 02:09pm | #140

               Funny how someones interest can just disapear. I do that too.

               I don't hang out in the art crowd so I don't know what the prices are like here. I suspect they lean towards the cheaper prices. Everything else is that way.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Gunner | Jul 01, 2007 12:20am | #141

                We are supposed to sign the contract tonight. The lot was staked out this week. We drove out this afternoon and looked at it. From the way I was looking at them the house is going to sit more on the left side of the lot. The septic tank will be in the right back corner of the yard. That will be a good thing. That is if I was reading the stakes right. I took some pics with my camera phone but I think the sun was too bright. I'll download them later and see how they turn out.

               Tom. Are surveyors stakes universal? I mean do they mean the same thing everywhere? If they ever cut the weeds down I could maybe take a better pics and post them. Maybe then you can tell me the what the difference is between a stake and a flag.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          25. seeyou | Jul 01, 2007 12:40am | #142

            Rick, There should be some sort of hub or a nail driven thru a piece of flag on the pavement at one of the corners. If you have a plat, you should be able to measure (step off) to find the other corners/poimts of interest. The stakes should have some type of lettering on them that you might be able to decode. The flags are probably septic related unless the realtor/developer stuck 'em in the ground for your benefit.http://grantlogan.net/

             

            Sometimes, when I lie in bed at night and look up at the stars, I think to myself, "Man! I really need to fix that roof."

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            Gunner | Jul 01, 2007 03:50am | #144

               I didn't notice any on the pavement. The lot itself is staked out with green fence posts. I think I figured out the four corners of the house. I just don't know what the little flags in the middle are for.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jul 01, 2007 01:07pm | #146

            "I just don't know what the little flags in the middle are for"

            Marking the unexploded grenades prolly. Or quicksand. 

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            Gunner | Jul 01, 2007 02:22pm | #147

               That crossed my mind.

               We signed the contract last night. And so the adventure begins.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          29. andybuildz | Jul 01, 2007 05:08pm | #148

            Mazol tov!! : )

             

            "Even if embryonic stem cells are absolutely good for nothing at all how can anyone in good conscience be against using them for research given that they are going to be destroyed anyway"?  J.Hayes

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            Gunner | Jul 01, 2007 05:36pm | #149

               Tanx.

               Took the dog out there this morning walking. Nice hilly terrain, good thigh workout. Met my neighbor two doors down. Nice lady with a big hairy dog.

               I finaly got the plans reversed the way the house is actually going to sit. The laundry/mud room is going to be on the first floor like you wanted it. Makes way more sense.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          31. andybuildz | Jul 01, 2007 07:36pm | #151

            I didn't wanna interject into this thread anymore than the laundry area post. I figured it might be bad luck...lol.And you said, "Nice lady with a big hairy dog."....I'm not gonna touch that one!! LOL

             

            "Even if embryonic stem cells are absolutely good for nothing at all how can anyone in good conscience be against using them for research given that they are going to be destroyed anyway"?  J.Hayes

            http://www.john-lennon.com/imagine-neilyoung.ra

            http://WWW.CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM                                 

             

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            Gunner | Jul 01, 2007 07:57pm | #152

               I thought of that when I typed that then thought what the heck? let it ride.

              Hey Sphere and his very cool wife just left here with my wood chipper, and van organizer box. We had a nice visit. What does she see in him? LOL

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

            Edited 7/1/2007 12:58 pm ET by Gunner

            Edited 7/1/2007 12:58 pm ET by Gunner

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            Sphere | Jul 01, 2007 09:45pm | #153

            Hey, we got home at exactly 200...so thats 1 hr 45 mins.  I spent the last 30 mins chipping DUDE.  Took off the air filter, added fresh gazz, fiddled with all the screws ( I can fix anything with a Swiss Army Knife), and started chopping up stuff.

            That suckker will really toss the goods when ya chuck in the top hopper!  Talk about a salad shooter///LOL.

            It was a short visit, but it was swell..nice to meet the Mrs. Gunner too...I thought you were just making it all up, but I can attest, she does exist.

            Sorry Eddy didn't like your dog...I was hoping for an arranged marriage.  Being as I am in your will and all. We coulda been in-laws....

            Gonna go fill up them van drawers now..I think I know where to hide the pizza now.

            Thanks Buddy, it was good morning, and now the fun gets funner. 

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            Gunner | Jul 02, 2007 01:13am | #154

                 Very cool. I'm glad it took right off for you. It was a short visit but timed perfectly. The neighbor never figured out who had been in his house giving all his stuff away. HA! Pure profit.  

                And your wife is too cool. You've got to bring her along all the time. Very cool person. Johanne has been talking about you two all day. She was very enamored. I hid the axe mark from where you tried to get me when she wasn't looking. :)

               We forgot to get  the LVL down. Maybe after we get the house on the market we can bring it to you.

              

               

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jul 02, 2007 01:21am | #155

            Yeah, I remembered about 10 miles down the road. No biggie.

            Oh well get the wimmin together again, when we finish out your Man Cave in the new house. Don't forget, we NEED a floor drain in the cave....

            Rosiee is threating to make ravioli for our next get together, I'll have her fill yours with rice. LOL.

            Try the cobbler yet? a new definition of heaven right there, I ate the other batch last night, with a Pt. of Ben and Jerrys . I should weigh 300lbs the way this woman feeds me.  I smell a wimmens-fest brewing with them two..hide the spank-bank of porn. 

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            Gunner | Jul 02, 2007 01:33am | #156

                Cobbler was great! I had mine as soon as we got back from BBQ. Dang fine eating. I called my wife the Anti Christ of dieting. I think yours is after the title. LOL I'd go off my diet for her cooking any time.

              We can get together again when you promise not to break the man code by pointing out more stuff I need to do to get ready to sell. LOL

              Breaktime Mancave build sounds cool. We went and looked at colors and brick and crap at the design center today. "I don't give a S@#$* pick whatever you want." Doesn't make the process go any smoother or enjoyable for you I found that out.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jul 02, 2007 03:16am | #157

            Oh yeah..picking colors. That is why my Living room is "Plum Wine".  I call it freaking ugly purple.

            Just saw the movie, "Lady in the water"...gonna have nightmares now..jesus...talk about a bad fairy tale. Gonna chow on some soft pretzels ( home made) and let my brain relax here till I get sleepy..LOL. 

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            Gunner | Jul 02, 2007 03:37am | #158

               I thought today was the day. It was a practice run to get familiar with everything before we go in and make the final decisions. I'm curious as to how many couples have walked out of there not talking to each other after argueing over that stuff. They can upgrade the heck out of you. We really don't want to get too fancy with all the tile and that stuff. Trendy stuff is what wee want to avoid.

                You ever do stairs and railings? That's about the olnly thing I haven't dalt with as far as trimming. I might have to borrow you one Saturday if you know anything about it. 

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

            Edited 7/1/2007 8:38 pm ET by Gunner

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            JeffBuck | Jul 07, 2007 08:17am | #165

            "Nice lady with a big hairy dog."

             

            that's code for something , isn't it?

             

            anyways ... congrats ... and know that yer life has changed forever!

            mostly good ... sometimes bad ... but different all the same.

             

            taunton used to have a great set on stairs ... book and video ... probably still have the same one ... worth the money for both ... vid helps put it all together ... book helps explain a bit more detail.

            and ... best "new home building tip" I got from a buddy ... they were on their 3rd new home build. His company kept promoting him and sending him around the country ... each time they got settled ... they had to pick up and start over Company kept giving great relocation packages so they kept building new ...

            anyways .... first time around ... he knew anough to walk the house during framing ... and marked the obvious bad studs/walls for framing punchlist replacement. Said stuff got reasonable fixed when he was around ... lots got covered up when he wasn't.

             

            by the third house ... he said he bacame the bastard customer. Not by choice ... just in a subdivision ... it's real easy for them to ignore U and gloss over everything.

            So ... he hade sure he was around alot more. And ... at first ... spray painted the crooked/bowed/warped studs he found ... he also went thru and checked for square the walls and partitions ... 3-4-5 ... knew what was acceptable and what would show up after all was said and done. Tried to be realistic.

            so at first ... spray painted the bad stuff ... when he say some was just sanded off ... instead of replaced ... he called and complained. Const manager said they'd replace what he wanted ... he drove back ... it wasn't ...

            so one weekend he called the guy on his cell and explained that on Mon not to think they were vandalized ... that it was him ... the buyer ... that kicked out the bad studs and knocked down some outta sq walls.

            he went thru and busted up his place ... not everywhere ... just a few offending studs ... and shouldered over one partition and a coupla half walls.

            He stopped by that Monday morning ... told them he'd keep doing that if they kept building crooked ... till he got what he wanted. Said after that ... when he marked a 2x .. it got replaced.

            Was standing in his finished house ... looked great ... he also knew to drop back on Fri's with beer for the various crews ... expecially after he busted up their work the previous week ... so in the end ... the workers respected/liked him.

            That visit ... one of his neighbors stopped by ... asked if he was going to the meeting with the builder ... about getting a drywall crew back to finally fix all the nail pops ...

            he said No ... they hadn't had that many problems ...

             

            said he never told the neighbors how he punchlisted the framing and had less problems top start with ... then said he found out they skipped glue on most of their houses ... so the morning drywall was to start ... he showed up with a coupla cases of adhesive and some brand new guns .... set them around the interior and told the drywall manager he wanted to make sure his was glued and he'd be back to check.

            said he spent some money outta his own pocket ... less than a coupla hundred bucks ... to make sure at least his was done right.

            every other house in the sub had wavy, crooked walls and nail pops ...

            his was pretty much problem free.

             

            3rd house in 5 yrs and he learned well.

            Jeff    Buck Construction

             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

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            Gunner | Jul 07, 2007 12:00pm | #166

               I'm trying to crack the code for nice lady with a big hairy dog myself. I'm starting to believe there is something in there as well. LOL

               I love the story about knocking the walls down. I'm gonna have to remember that. One of the benefits of having a sister on the inside is we get to pick the best subs they have. We can also use our own is we want. The Superintendent we chose is the best. He's over my sister and bro inlaws house. Their house was already framed when they took it over. The Crew that framed it got fired for various reasons. He brought in another crew to tear down a couple of bad walls and rebuild them. I was impressed.

               I'm also considering installing Hurricane strapping. And block I'm going to block my walls for cabinets, towel bars and that kind of stuff. They charge out the wazoo for any extra, but I can do my own. That's what's going to save me on the electric. They charge a hundred bucks a piece for recessed lights. I'm gonna be able to put my own in. Big savings. Same with phone and cable. I have to remember about the drywall glue. I don't know if they use it or not. They will on my house, that's for sure.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

            Edited 7/7/2007 5:02 am ET by Gunner

          41. DougU | Jul 07, 2007 06:17pm | #171

            " he also knew to drop back on Fri's with beer for the various crews ." 

            Buck

            Gunner, I know that you already know this but its worth repeating!

            One of the pickiest women that I ever worked around was at the building site from day one, culled the wood piles, checked everybodies work  BUT she brought donuts and pop everyday throughout the process of the house, on her birthday she brought us cake and ice cream. She'd ask us about our families, hobbies, made an attempt to be more then just a pain in the azz HO. I know you have a job and cant do all that but its funny how a bunch of seemingly smart guys could be wooed over by a little cake and ice cream.

            Pays to make nice with the workers!

            Doug

            Edited 7/7/2007 11:18 am ET by DougU

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            Gunner | Jul 07, 2007 07:32pm | #172

              

             Oldest trick in the book.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

            Edited 7/7/2007 12:32 pm ET by Gunner

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            Sphere | Jul 07, 2007 08:53pm | #173

            Be esp. nice to the stair guy, I hear he is great. 

          44. DougU | Jul 07, 2007 09:07pm | #174

            Why, is he flying Stan in!  ;)

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            Sphere | Jul 07, 2007 09:16pm | #175

            He may have to once I get it all screwed up...LOL 

          46. DougU | Jul 07, 2007 09:20pm | #176

            Just dont f it up to much and it'll be OK, hell gunners an electrican, he'll never know the diff!

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            Gunner | Jul 07, 2007 09:23pm | #177

               I just won't hook up the lights around the stairs. No one will know.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jul 07, 2007 09:26pm | #179

            You do want LOG stairs right? (G) 

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            Gunner | Jul 07, 2007 09:30pm | #180

              I have to see if that's mormal in Tuscany.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Gunner | Jul 07, 2007 09:26pm | #178

               So you can do stairs? Railing is what I'm worried about.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jul 07, 2007 09:34pm | #181

            Shure..no problem.

            Ever see these? I DO know yu dont want that, I have pics of others I have built.

            View Image

            yikes, my bad, big file. 

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            Gunner | Jul 07, 2007 11:20pm | #182

               Very cool. We stayed in a cabin a few years ago near natural bridge state park that had stairs built of logs in it going up to the sleeping loft. Very beautiful. Hurt like heck in the dark when you forgot about them.

            ps. Those are some bad azz hand rails.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

            Edited 7/7/2007 4:21 pm ET by Gunner

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            Sphere | Jul 07, 2007 11:54pm | #183

            That is Alice Walton's house in Rogers Ark. She is the daughter of Sam Walton of Wally World.   Kinda crazy lady, but stinking rich, and single.

            That was back in 95 or 96.  Tooke me and  another guy almost 10 months to make...the hand rails are all Dogwood, Rhododendron, and Red Bud.  Major PITA. But paid well. 

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            Gunner | Jul 07, 2007 11:58pm | #184

                Very cool.

              I cant pay you what she did. I only deal in magic beans. :)

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jul 08, 2007 12:07am | #185

            LOL.

            I wasn't paid by her, but by Barna Log Homes, who built the house. He GAVE the stairs to her, being as when his "package" stairs were seen, she said " get them outta my house".

            So he asked all his dealers around the country, if they knew anyone that could "create" something she might like...one of his dealers in NC knew me and asked me if I wanted a shot at it. He told Jim Barna, he knew the best damm woodworker in NC ( meaning ME) and Barna said let him have at it.

            My buddy and I decided we never saw a quatercircle log stair, so we went at it. Barna ( from Tenn.) came and checked on progress freqently, and gave us $$$$ to keep working.

            When it came time to ship and install it, he told me,," If she don't like it, cut it up and burn it in her front yard" LOL.

            She loved it, we were off the hook. I'd never do it again. Ever. 

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            JeffBuck | Jul 08, 2007 09:52am | #187

            isn't that funny ...

            customers read and remember that the crap ...

            like "buy a car on the last Fri of the month/last day of the month" for the "best deal" ...

             

            and "set false deadlines" to speed up production for your contractor ...

             

            but nnot many seem to know ... "people work harder for people they like"!

            be picky and be nice ... freaking basic human nature.

             

            worker type guys actually respond when treated almost like real freaking people!

            Jeff    Buck Construction

             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

          57. Sancho | Jul 08, 2007 11:38pm | #188

            make sure you have eough room to store your ever popular your chipper and zamboni 

                         

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            Sphere | Jul 08, 2007 11:59pm | #189

            I bought his chipper last week, it lives here.

            ( ask him about his new boo-boo, great story) 

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            Gunner | Jul 09, 2007 02:58am | #191

               Against my better judgement.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          60. andybuildz | Jul 09, 2007 06:19am | #192

            Thats some dam hicky dude,,,whewwwwwwwww..you rock

             

            "Even if embryonic stem cells are absolutely good for nothing at all how can anyone in good conscience be against using them for research given that they are going to be destroyed anyway"?  J.Hayes

            http://www.john-lennon.com/imagine-neilyoung.ra

            http://WWW.CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM                                 

             

          61. DougU | Jul 09, 2007 06:37am | #193

            Obiously your better judgment didnt win out so as Jeff Foxworthy would say, "you've peaked my curriousity" lets have it!

            Doug

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            Gunner | Jul 09, 2007 12:03pm | #194

                 Took the dog walking out in the soon to be new neighborhood. We were at probably the four mile mark. We were in a new subdivision across the road. The roads were still dirt not a sole around. I had her on a 25' rope. She was getting tired. Walking behind me instead of in front of me. I had the rope in my left hand and she was on my right side. The rope was dragging behind. Both of us day dreaming along.

               Then she jumped a rabbit. At first she missed. she had her head down so I assumed she would'nt see it. Before I knew it she bolted. I tried to get out of the way of the slack that was behind me but she was too fast. It came up and across my back. Threw me to the ground. She actually dragged me for a few feet. She's 50 pounds. I just weighed in a 215 pounds.  My left side is all bruised up. My forearm has a knot in it. And my neck has rope burn on the back. I'm just glad the rope didn't get wrapped around my neck. We are on our 12th year of marriage and last night was the first time my wife has ever offered to cut the grass. That burn must look pretty bad up close.

               Prior to all that before we left the house I caught her rolling on a dead skunk that was in the back yard. It must have gotten hit on the highway and died in the yard. The wife and I had been catching this whiff of what we thought was electrical wire burning saturday. We couldn't pin it down. It kept coming and going.I had been all over the attic even, trying to find the smell. Finally the wife had figured out that it was the dog. That explains why we could never pin it down. The dog kept moving around the house and we never associated the two.

               I let the dog out prior to our walk and she went right over to the skunk and threw her shoulder right into it to get all the smell on her. Bleck. I had to wait for the pet store to open so I could wash her there. So that's when we went on our walk. It was so bad that the girls at the store lit candles in the wash room,and had to stick cans of deodorizer in the door and spray it. They didn't even want to go in.

              

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          63. DougU | Jul 09, 2007 01:58pm | #195

            Sounds like a fun weekend!

            Doug

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            Gunner | Jul 10, 2007 03:14am | #198

               I'm in Paducah all week. I think pulled a muscle in my left arm. It kills me to raise my arms above my shoulders. Especially the left. I need to be working 14 to 15 hours a day to get everything done by Friday. I bagged it early tonight because I was tired of whinsing around. Gritting my teeth. The rope burn is right where my collar sits too. Muther Trucker it hurts.

               That little dog whipped my Azz. Big time.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          65. andybuildz | Jul 10, 2007 04:24am | #199

            sounds like you need a few cold ones and one hot masseuse

             

            "Even if embryonic stem cells are absolutely good for nothing at all how can anyone in good conscience be against using them for research given that they are going to be destroyed anyway"?  J.Hayes

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            Gunner | Jul 10, 2007 04:58am | #202

                I drank a few yesterday and hugged the ice pack. A massusee would probsbly make me cry. Or pass out.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          67. DougU | Jul 10, 2007 04:36am | #200

            You went and lost all that weight and look what happened - if you'd a kept it on that little dog wouldnt have been able to take ya down so easily.

            Sometimes balast is good

            Doug

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            Gunner | Jul 10, 2007 04:56am | #201

                 You go that right. it aint no fun being a kite.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            BillHartmann | Jul 09, 2007 05:12pm | #196

            " We are on our 12th year of marriage and last night was the first time my wife has ever offered to cut the grass. That burn must look pretty bad up close. Prior to all that before we left the house I caught her rolling on a dead skunk that was in the back yard. "I am confused.Was it your wife or the dog that rolled in the yard?.
            .
            A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

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            Gunner | Jul 10, 2007 03:09am | #197

                The dog.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Gunner | Jul 09, 2007 01:10am | #190

               Yep I handed the Chipper over to Sphere last week.

               I guess I should have saved it to throw the dead skunk in I found the dog rolling around on this morning trying to get scented up.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            BillHartmann | Jul 01, 2007 06:54pm | #150

            Or Jimmy Hoffa..
            .
            A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

          73. DougU | Jul 01, 2007 01:35am | #143

            Gunner

            Are the stakes those of the surveyor or were they put there by the developer?

            Sometimes the developer will stake out the lot but those are just rough guesstimates. Also is the house staked out? That again would be the builder's stakes.

            All this is just guessing on my part. I dont know what your stakes mean in your part of the country. When I lived in TX a survey had to be done when property changed hands, thats because they still use some earlier survey methods, trees, fence post......... Here in Iowa when a house is sold a survey isnt mentioned, at least not in my experience.

            Doug

             

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            Gunner | Jul 01, 2007 03:51am | #145

               They were the surveyors. I might go running out there in the morning. I'll see if I can make more sense out of it.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          75. TomT226 | Jul 05, 2007 02:56am | #162

            Sorry I didn't look at this thread sooner.  Flags just mark a point.  Stakes usually have a meaning, like 5' O/S to a water line, sewer line or on a property line.

            Stakes usually carry grade and line, like C-1'@5' or something similar. 

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            Gunner | Jul 05, 2007 03:16am | #163

               We got the scoop a couple of days ago. The stakes were six inches from the foundation. And the flags are the main room layouts. Like great room master bedroom. My wife found this out and thought they looked short. Scared to death they were going to short her on the size of the great room. We had to drive over there and take a tape to the flags. I told her it's just flags in dirt. Wait till they frame it short then start complaining. I'm gonna hit her with a tire iron before this is over. 

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Gunner | Jul 07, 2007 05:55am | #164

                We had a session with the interior decorator tonight to pick colors and that kind of crap.   She was pretty good. It's a big help that we know her personally. She felt more comfortable giving us honest ideas and criticism of certain choices.

               It's all going to lean towards a Tuscan theme as far as the colors, cabinets and fixtures go.

               The whole process took 2 1/2 hours. I thought that it really drug out. We were told that the average is four hours. Some take two or three visits. She's got to get a price on the hardwood flooring, and doing flat ceilings on a couple of rooms.

               We didn't get extravagant with our choices either. No tile. We decided we don't want the upkeep or hassle. And we found some nice Formica counter tops. All that granite and Corian is nice.  But, not really all that appealing to us. I stand on concrete all day at work. I don't want to stand on it while I'm cooking.

             

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            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

            Edited 7/6/2007 10:56 pm ET by Gunner

          78. TomT226 | Jul 07, 2007 02:37pm | #167

            >>I stand on concrete all day at work. I don't want to stand on it while I'm cooking.<<

            Geeez, how long does it take to cook brown rice? 

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            Gunner | Jul 07, 2007 03:27pm | #168

                LMAO. That's another reason we're not tricking out the kitchen floors and counter tops. Neither one of us are cooks. If it aint done in 30 minutes we buy it frozen and throw it in the oven.

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          80. TomT226 | Jul 07, 2007 03:50pm | #169

            Wait till you get the "Q" out back.

            You'll be throwing whole pigs and sheep on it... 

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            Gunner | Jul 07, 2007 04:12pm | #170

            I'm gonna cook rice in fifty gallon drums!

             

            MP

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          82. TomT226 | Jul 08, 2007 01:35am | #186

            That's OK.  Just put some hams and chickens in for dumplins'.... 

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            Gunner | Jun 24, 2007 04:14am | #137

               Bye the way. That's a fine Azz table.

             

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          84. TomT226 | Jun 24, 2007 03:18am | #134

            You got the gift man.  Start a "junk" shop.

            Years ago my dad had me gathering dried buffalo tur*s, spraying them gold, mounting them on a piece of old barn wood and getting $25 for'em...in 1964.

            Called'em "Colorado Gold Nuggets." 

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            Gunner | Jun 24, 2007 05:00am | #138

               I could do it.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

        3. seeyou | Jun 22, 2007 02:07pm | #100

          Hey, I'm getting ready to start conceptualizing a plan to suck the few dollars I have in my savings account out. In other words, DW is talking addition (new kitchen) and I'm kind of agreeing with her. Want to work out a trade - a little roofing for a little wiring?http://grantlogan.net/

           

          Sometimes, when I lie in bed at night and look up at the stars, I think to myself, "Man! I really need to fix that roof."

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            Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 07:22pm | #101

                I'm all ears.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Luka | Jun 23, 2007 07:08am | #123

            Yer telling me...

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            Gunner | Jun 23, 2007 12:36pm | #124

                  Jeezus. THa looks like one of those thing you buyu at the fair and put sugar on and eat it.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Luka | Jun 23, 2007 01:08pm | #125

            Heresy !!!Doud's peaches are great, without sugar !

            A friend is a person that knows everything about you and still likes you.

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            Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 07:41pm | #103

                 Hey while we are on the subject of the great music. The Masters musicians festival in Sterns looks good this year. Old Crow Medicine show are the headliners. The Gourds are also on the bill. I'm probably not going to have time to do it but I'd like too.

            http://www.mastermusiciansfestival.com/

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          6. seeyou | Jun 22, 2007 08:28pm | #110

            The Gourds are also on the bill.

            So's Chris Knight and Murder by Death. I've got Lucinda Williams tickets at the Kentucky Theater on the 19th, but I may have to see if I can work it in. Cindy's taking a lesbian hen party vacation with some of her buddies the 1st week in July. I'm thinking a "leave the womerns at home" type road trip. I'll have the collateral.http://grantlogan.net/

             

            Sometimes, when I lie in bed at night and look up at the stars, I think to myself, "Man! I really need to fix that roof."

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            Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 08:32pm | #113

               The Kentucky theater in Louisville? Lesbian hen party. Homo hen party same difference.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            CapnMac | Jun 22, 2007 10:04pm | #117

            The Gourds are also on the bill.

            Dang it, you made me check the tour dates (being "unwashed and well-read" <g>)

            Now I have to cipher up a way to get 8 July off, so as to catch them at Threadgill's in Austin.  That, or wait until 10 August in Gruene--but August is a tough time to see a Gruene Hall show.

            Already pawed through HPB, no music as sensible as Gourds in their used bin; may have to drag myself into Hastings.

            Hmm, Friday, good internet connection to lonestar, even odds for hearing "Gin and Juice" . . . Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

        4. splintergroupie | Jun 22, 2007 08:26pm | #109

          That looks like the mound type septic system where the level of the land is artifically raised to accomodate what is otherwise a normal leach fied except for not using gravity flow, but pumping it up to the distribution box. Meaning...their perk test likely didn't pass either. As said, it works fine until a power outage. For gravity-fed, which it sounds like you can do, instead of using the old-fashioned 4" perf-pipe/gravel technology, you can use larger corrugated and socked pipe (one brand name is "Goldline") that allows shorter lines in your drain field, usually about 1/3 shorter and uses whatever you have for backfill instead of hauling in gravel, so it saves money. There is also the newer "vault" technology, but i haven't any experience with it. My experience with installing the Goldline was so easy and fast that i'd use it again.The shorter lines required of the last two sytems means if you have a tight lot, it'll be easier to lay out your lines and have space for the replacement field in case the first fails. Mounds and More: http://www.agnr.umd.edu/users/wye/personel/Miller/septic.htmlGoldline type: http://www.prinsco.com/page.cfm?ID=20Vaults: http://www.eco-nomic.com/septic.htm

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            Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 08:38pm | #115

               Our lot passed the perk test. That's good info. I'm learning a lot about crap.

             

             

             

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          2. splintergroupie | Jun 22, 2007 09:14pm | #116

            It's good you've got gravity on your side, but your lot is not that large, esp for the types of soil it seems you have - the length of line they require depends partly on soil type - and the placement of the house on the lot may tighten it up even more. And you can't plant trees over your field, either, so there's a consideration re landscaping. Anyway, the Goldline and vault systems can lessen the amount of area needed for those lines without a huge increase in cost.

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            Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 11:14pm | #119

               No trees? That's something to consider. We are going to sit forward on the lot. How much I don't know.

             

            I'm Huge in Japan!

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

            Edited 6/22/2007 4:15 pm ET by Gunner

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      Gunner | Jun 22, 2007 05:28am | #97

         Hey Diesel. Did you ever hook up that driveway alarm I gave you? I'm wondering if it's worth it.

       

       

       

       

      I'm Huge in Japan!

       

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

  9. MtnBoy | Jun 22, 2007 11:35pm | #121

    That garage is pretty small. I'd remove the dining room niche from the garage so you can walk around that end of the vehicle better. I'd put the human door towards the rear of the garage, where the front of the vehicles is instead of back at the rear where you won't have as much room to open it.

    You could enter through where the powder room is if you rearranged it and the laundry some, taking in that alcove at the rear of the garage where you're entering now.

    Didn't quite get the new positions of the rooms. Are you building the mirror reverse? Switching the garage and the Great Room? Depending on what exactly you're doing, you could take that covered deck in for your mudroom and build an open deck off the back.

    Is your wife happy with the dining room? Has she tried her table and chairs in a space that size? It really needs to be the length of the table (with leaves in, if you have any) plus 2 1/2 feet on each end for people to seat themselves; 3 feet for someone to walk behind a chair with someone seated. Dining room is not too deep because between those 2 doorways is a circulation path; it needs to be a little wider.

    Is your wife happy with the amount of kitchen counter space? It looks pretty sparse. Some rearranging could get you a peninsula or something. Wife has to be happy once settled in the house.

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      Gunner | Jun 23, 2007 06:19am | #122

          That's a good idea with the garage. I have to think about that space a little. I could turn it into a garage closet. Or leave it as is and build a nice hutch to fill that space. Or do as you say and lose it and gain garage room. We are also considering turning that into a library/office. We are thinking about doing that to one of the upstairs bedrooms but the wifes nieces may have to come live with us one day so we may need those as actual rooms.

         As far as the size of the rooms. They are fine. The master bedroom is bigger then the living room we have now. Every room is bigger. We aren't big kitchen people so that's fine as well. I might build an island for it after it's done. We are going to have the deck come around from the covered porch to the breakfast area too.

         The plan is to turn the plan over. Everything does a flip, and the garage is sideways.

       

       

       

       

      I'm Huge in Japan!

       

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

  10. wellis | Jul 02, 2007 05:02pm | #159

    A couple of ideas -

    9' Basement walls

    8' Garage Doors

    Minor Cost - Major benefits.

    Bill

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    Gunner | Jul 22, 2007 09:10pm | #203

       I stopped by on Friday to see what was up. They were forming up the footers. Everyone was at lunch when I stopped by. So at least somethings moving along. They won't kick it into high gear until we sell our house. That's a good thing actually.

       I also got hooked up with a fellow breaktimer that works at the lumberyard my builder uses. He's taking care of me on the trim. I took some books home for study.

     

    Seeyou, Seeme fest in 08. Be there or be square.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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      Sphere | Jul 22, 2007 11:22pm | #204

      Study huh?

      Just because it is called Penthouse, don't mean it has anything to do with house building.. 

      1. TomT226 | Jul 23, 2007 12:40am | #205

        Okay, another damn Shiner mouthful on the keyboard...

        NOW CUT THAT OUT!  ;-) 

    2. TomT226 | Jul 23, 2007 12:42am | #206

      Took me lots trim to learn to cope.

      DW says it helped me quit drinkin'... 

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        Gunner | Jul 23, 2007 02:10am | #207

           I'm actually pretty decent at trim. I just need to find someone to help me. It would go much quicker if I could get someone to run the saw while I hang and cope. I can probably get my Nephew Kody. We'll see. A buddy of mine from north Carolina offered to send his wife up. She's actually a pretty decent carpenter. i wish she had the time I'd get her to do my hardwood floors too. They own and operate a karate school together. He can cover for her for a week. So I might go with that option.

         

        Seeyou, Seeme fest in 08. Be there or be square.

         

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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          Gunner | Jul 23, 2007 02:22am | #208

             I say that I'm pretty decent at trim then just today I hung a six panel door upside down. Drilled the handle out and everything. It's for a bathroom closet. I'm gonna leave it until the wife notices. I'm curious to see how long it will take. :)

           

          Seeyou, Seeme fest in 08. Be there or be square.

           

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jul 23, 2007 02:57am | #209

            Do I gotta come over there?

            really, lemme know if ya need help. I can get away. I gots the goods as far as trimming tools and only done a few less than a hundred places.

            "It's not upside down, its artistic." 

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            Gunner | Jul 23, 2007 04:44am | #210

               I'll probably take you up on that. The wife is scared I can't get it all done in a week by myself. The internet won't be hooked up there yet so there's a good chance I can get it done in a day. :)

             

            Seeyou, Seeme fest in 08. Be there or be square.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jul 23, 2007 01:49pm | #211

            Just give a shout. It can't be THAT bad.. 

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            Gunner | Jul 29, 2007 04:24am | #212

               Jo has been sick in bed the last three days. I finally Niqualed and chicken souped her back to health. So we went out and checked out the crib. i was out there last night roughing in the alrm system on my Bro inlaws new house. But she hadn't seen it in a couple of weeks. So we went for a ride. The first one I took Thursday with the forms still on. Then she took this one of me and the dog tonight standing in front of the garage. Lots of dirt to haul in to bring it up to grade.

            View Image

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            Seeyou, Seeme fest in 08. Be there or be square.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Jul 29, 2007 02:01pm | #213

            Yeah Buddy, PROGRESS!

            Gotta love it.

            Planning the new shop layout yet? 

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            Gunner | Jul 29, 2007 02:12pm | #214

               Now that the walls are poured I have a better idea what I'm working with. It's not going to be as big as I had hoped. but I can make it work.

             

            Seeyou, Seeme fest in 08. Be there or be square.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          7. andybuildz | Jul 29, 2007 04:07pm | #215

            Hmmmmm...I smell new tag line for you...lol.
            >>It's not going to be as big as I had hoped. but I can make it work.<<

             

             

             

             how it sounds^-->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2shskL0AYuE

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            Gunner | Jul 29, 2007 06:52pm | #216

               Snork. Thanks for the idea. I'll try it on for size.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

            It's not going to be as big as I had hoped. but I can make it work.

            Edited 7/29/2007 11:53 am ET by Gunner

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            Gunner | Jul 29, 2007 07:05pm | #217

               Nah. Too gay looking when you see it from a distance.

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

            Edited 7/29/2007 12:06 pm ET by Gunner

          10. andybuildz | Jul 29, 2007 08:00pm | #218

            lol

             

             

             

             how it sounds^-->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2shskL0AYuE

            http://WWW.CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM                                 

             

          11. MisterT | Jul 29, 2007 11:15pm | #220

            But in Japan it will be HUGE!!.
            .
            Pants???I Don't need No Steenking Pants!!!

          12. MisterT | Jul 29, 2007 11:15pm | #219

            You're not gonna buid it THERE are you???:].
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            Pants???I Don't need No Steenking Pants!!!

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            Gunner | Jul 29, 2007 11:57pm | #221

                Ohh crap! What's wrong with that spot? LOL

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          14. MisterT | Jul 30, 2007 01:36am | #222

            If you put it there, it will make me look fat!!!.
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            Pants???I Don't need No Steenking Pants!!!

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            Gunner | Jul 30, 2007 02:34am | #223

                Speedos make everybody look fat.

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Luka | Jul 30, 2007 05:32am | #224

            It ain't the speedo...

            Yeh... That'll work.

          17. andybuildz | Jul 30, 2007 05:37am | #225

            you guyz best not be talkin' bout' his junk...thats...well...uhhh..kinda...well, you know...ewwwwww

             

             

             

             how it sounds^-->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2shskL0AYuE

            http://WWW.CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM                                 

             

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            Luka | Jul 30, 2007 05:58am | #226

            Junk ?You got his junk on your mind ?ewwwwwI was saying it wasn't the speedo that makes him look fat.

            Yeh... That'll work.

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            Gunner | Aug 03, 2007 05:22am | #227

               We're definitely going to build it there now. I don't know why but we signed off on most of it tonight. The wife has been gung ho to get this rolling until we came down to our final sign offs tonight. That's where the final bill get passed across the table. We still have a few items unresolved like building a deck across the back of the second floor. And credit for me doing my own trim. They are trying to low ball the trim install. I know they pay more then what they are offering.

               Anyway I gave the wife one last chance to build the house I really want for a quarter of the price but she sucked it up and decided that she really wants this one. So another step in the journey is underway. F It I got enough Rice stocked to make the winter if I have to. 

               Man I'm starting to think cheap in my skinny years.

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me, Man!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Aug 03, 2007 05:28am | #228

            How many times?  How many times, do I gots ta tell ya.

            It is " definatly" ?

            Sancho, Bob and Rez show, starts in a theater near you.

             

              

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            Gunner | Aug 03, 2007 05:33am | #229

               I'll never spell it the same way or the right way again. :) It's the only thing Rez has to live for. 

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me, Man!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Aug 03, 2007 05:35am | #230

            You done road trips? 

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            Gunner | Aug 03, 2007 05:38am | #231

            ? Esplain see vue play.

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me, Man!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Aug 03, 2007 05:45am | #232

            R- U- Home- from- be-inggy - on- the- road?

              

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            Gunner | Aug 03, 2007 05:51am | #233

              Yea I've been home all week. Worked in Lex today as a matter of fact made a date with Grant then it never worked out.

              Back on the road to Paducah next week. Hottest weeks of the year and I draw attics every day. I need that chipper back so I can do a swan dive in it.

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me, Man!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Aug 03, 2007 06:09am | #234

            I already rented it to a church in Lex.  LOL

            100.00 a week, they had it for 2 weeks and redid the carbaboalater thingy....I'm clean.

            Nah, I did the new crabobaolater myself, they hauled it up there.

            Fugger wil take an arm off I tell ya. 

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            Gunner | Aug 03, 2007 06:15am | #235

               Yea once that baby has hold of something it's coming out the bottom no matter what. It's determined.

               Forgot to tell you got the check last week.

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me, Man!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          28. rez | Aug 04, 2007 03:21pm | #249

            Don't make me come over there!

             

            be sides, I've my eye and gettin' ready on a couple other words, too.

             

            be too, too, too mints I won

             

          29. MisterT | Aug 03, 2007 02:12pm | #236

            Congrats Dude!!!.
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            Gunner | Aug 03, 2007 06:51pm | #237

               Thanks. When we left their offices last night it was more. What the heck are we thinking? Vs. congratulations. LOL

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me, Man!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          31. MisterT | Aug 03, 2007 10:36pm | #240

            I was thinking about you today...about how you think they should give you a bigger credit for the trim package....yer Contracter will prolly show up in the businees folder bitchin about a customer who is tryting to "christian" him down on his house..."he says he knows a bunch of carpenters from some website and they're gonna help him for beer"" how do I convince him to let me do it??":).
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            Gunner | Aug 04, 2007 01:12am | #241

               LOL I've thought about that too. If you ever got to meet these guys you'd Christian them down every chance you get. That's what they do to their subs. They give you feeling that this is the first house they have ever built. In fact I made the comment to the lead supervisor last night (this is the guys that said all their french doors give them problems leaking) that once we got them through building their first house they should have a better idea what to expect on the next one. They really are disorganized.

              I found out a little bit ago that the lumber package is getting dropped off the first part of next week.

               Man I hope Sphere knows his stairs. LOL

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me, Man!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Aug 04, 2007 01:52am | #242

            No Problemo...Hey looky here...smile for the camera!

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            Gunner | Aug 04, 2007 01:57am | #243

              Yea that's after I put in the hot tub. I've got to dig up one of the new crib.

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me, Man!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Aug 04, 2007 02:00am | #244

            Lets see the new property from space. 

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            Gunner | Aug 04, 2007 02:02am | #245

            I'm working on it.

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me, Man!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Gunner | Aug 04, 2007 02:16am | #246

               Here. It was still covered in cow kah kah at the time the satelitte went over.

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            Sphere | Aug 04, 2007 02:36am | #247

            Cool.Nice neighbor hood, you'll be HUGE! 

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            Gunner | Aug 04, 2007 02:36am | #248

               You know it baby!

             

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            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me, Man!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Gunner | Aug 10, 2007 04:38am | #250

               The wife drug my crippled azz out there tonight. Framings going up! Here's a few pics. My shop in the basement isn't going to gain me any more ground over the one I have now. But I like it just fine.

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          41. Lansdown | Aug 10, 2007 04:42am | #251

            Cool pix. Whose the skinny guy with the dog.

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            Gunner | Aug 10, 2007 04:45am | #252

              Some cripple who was stumbling around like Johnny Cash before rehab.

             

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            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          43. rez | Aug 10, 2007 05:52am | #253

            Whadda you going to do with that left over 2x material sitting there?

                

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Gunner | Aug 10, 2007 10:36am | #254

              

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            Whadda you going to do with that left over 2x material sitting there?"

                

             Probably cobble together a second floor. :)

             

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            "Everything is under control. I'M gonna go make some pies now." Dinosaur 07

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          45. MisterT | Aug 10, 2007 02:37pm | #258

            build a dozen sheds....
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          46. MikeSmith | Aug 10, 2007 01:01pm | #255

            <<<Cool pix. Whose the skinny guy with the dog>>>

            eggsactly what i was wunderinMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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            Sphere | Aug 10, 2007 02:00pm | #256

            You brave my man, hanging on to the fuse of that dynamo in your shape. I can already see the next thread being composed. LOL

            They're moving righht along.

            We can always build a bigger shop, when ya retire from playing in attics.  Good to see ya out and about and looking SO happy..(G). 

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            Gunner | Aug 10, 2007 03:36pm | #259

               She knows what's going on. Gentle as a feather around me. Normaly we are pretty rough with each other. But there's always that stray spark that can set her off. LOL

               When we got there last night the framers were just rolling up. They are all Mexican and one of them spoke a little English. I introduced myself and chit chatted about the heat for a minute. Then Fell on my #### as I was trying to climb up on the porch in my Sandals with my Percocete and Scotch driven balance. Didn't hurt the ribs though as far as I can tell.I felt like a real #### wipe . Well I was a real #### wipe. I didn't figure they'd be that far along yet so I wasn't prepared. I'll go out there tonight and bring them some beer and pot and try to walk the top plate just to show them I'm no dummy. LOL

               Actually, I'm going to see if Kody will take me out there today so I can measure up the basement and see what kind of layout I can do for a shop and a workout room. I'll take em a case of Gatorade. This crew is supposed to be one of the better framing crews they have. I don't like customers in my way so I intend to stay out of theirs. They did seem pretty cordial.

             

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            Sphere | Aug 10, 2007 03:49pm | #260

            You gonna have Grants guys do the shingles?  They're good, and fast.

            Yup, Gatorade is a nice gesture, drop a few Percosett in the bottles, they'll really love ya then. 

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            Gunner | Aug 10, 2007 03:57pm | #262

               Nah I'm probably going to kick myself but I'm going with the builders guys. It's just easier then trying to coordinate between everyone else. They have their own flow as far as their subs go.  I'm probably going to kink them up enough by doing my own trim. 

             

             

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            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          51. Shep | Aug 10, 2007 07:45pm | #263

            " I don't like customers in my way..."

            yeah, I feel the same way.

            whenever I have somebody over to do any work here ( usually a plumber or HVAC ), I show them where the work is, and leave him alone.

            Actually, I usually leave the key under the door mat for my plumber, and go to work.

            How many sq. ft. will you have for your shop?

            And what style of trim are you thinking about?

             

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            Gunner | Aug 10, 2007 10:51pm | #266

               My nephew Kody drove me out there this afternoon to measure the basement so I can get some ideas on how I want to lay it out. There's two areas that would make a decent size shop (for the size projects I'm intereested in) Both were about 13 x16 if I recall correctly. I'm gonna go out there again when everyones gone so i can think clearly.

               I'll post some pics in  little bit.

             

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            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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            Sphere | Aug 10, 2007 11:08pm | #267

            Read my lips.

            No subterrainian shop.

            Get over the idea. BTDT.

            We build. 

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            Gunner | Aug 10, 2007 11:18pm | #269

                Yea maybe it will work. Maybe it won't. Wait until we start working on the recording studio.

             

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            Sphere | Aug 10, 2007 11:46pm | #271

            Nope.

            13x27 is NOT acceptable.

            Have them dig a new hole.

            Did I miss something..derrrr I guess I did.

             

            ( laff about that recording studio..you may have something there) 

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            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 02:51am | #272

                Man there's enough unfinshed space there that's not going to be finished to make another house I live in now.

             

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            Sphere | Aug 11, 2007 03:06am | #273

            Errr..I know I get the tools when ya  finally "Caackk"

            But Jo said that if ( IF) it looks like an accident..I might get it all..I think HER and MY wife are building this, we're just the labors fer the upstairs bath room...

            Think about it, who pee's more?  We can go next to the trucks, and not have to announce that we are pee'ing.

            Then there is that lil bit of TP that gets lost in the.....oh never mind.....

             

            Ptooie.  

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            Sphere | Aug 11, 2007 03:10am | #274

            Oh boy howdy did I miss the poignant subject..

            My / our shop,,,,one wurd Sump pump!  We pee there. 

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            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 06:09am | #280

               We can always pee in the furnace. That way the women folk want to get outside and do stuff.

               Here's a view from the back. This house is freaking HUGE! in Japan.

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            Gunner | Aug 10, 2007 11:15pm | #268

            13x27 I just checked the measurments while I was in the bathroom.

             

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          61. mike_maines | Aug 10, 2007 11:37pm | #270

             

            13x27 I just checked the measurments while I was in the bathroom.

            Nice how you slipped that in there....

          62. Shep | Aug 11, 2007 04:43am | #275

            13 x 27 is a decent size

            BUT, I'll bet there's a bigger space on the main floor

            So, put the LR in the basement, and your shop on the first floor

            And let me know how well your wife likes the idea, so I can try it on mine

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            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 05:59am | #277

              We were just out there again this evening and I might move it. I'm planning on living there a year before I make any solid decisions on the basement. Now that I can actually look at the physical layout instead of the print I can see more options. Putting the shop in the Great room or the kitchen is on my list of wants. But I'm only going to get it if hell freezes over.

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             This picture shows where I might put it.Smaller but if I can use the other area more wisely then I might go with that.  Decisions, decisions. When I took this picture earlier I wasn't thinking of that area as a shop Or I would have backed up more for the pic. View Image

             

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            BillHartmann | Aug 11, 2007 10:35pm | #292

            Those supports aren't straight.Makes it easirer to just knock them out. Gives you more clear space..
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            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 10:50pm | #293

               Damn right they aren't straight! We are having a meeting Monday with the super. Several studs in the basement are crooked. They slapped 2x6's in place of the steel support columns. That's what you see in the picture they are already bowing. I know that they are going to put the right posts in but I don't want the whole structure sagging in the meantime.

               They've also got some pink house wrap going on in different places.  I don't know what that's about, but we paid extra for Tyvek. I'm not going to accept anything else. I might had they not made a big deal about stating that if we wanted Tyvek it was going to be $1300.00 more. It didn't bother me at the time but now that I see they are trying to slide something else on, I'm going to stick to my guns. Can you blame me?

             

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            BillHartmann | Aug 11, 2007 11:07pm | #294

            Absolutely stick to your guns.You don't want the neighbors snickering that you have PINK weahter barrier..
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            A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

          67. TomT226 | Aug 10, 2007 02:06pm | #257

            Probably plenty of pole-cats out in them woods fer yer mutt to bring home to yuh.

            How's the back?  First week is the worst. 

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            Gunner | Aug 10, 2007 03:51pm | #261

                 I'm not as scared of her roaming in the woods as I am of my Brother in laws dog. Biscuit is a killing machine. Ours just wants to play. Which isn't good either as far as pole cats are concerned LOL. We are planning on doing an invincible fence once the grade work is done on the yard. I hope it works, I really don't want to put up a fence like the Sub division wants.

                The ribs are still broke. The demoral shot yesterday didn't help at all. But the Percocets seem to be doing me good finally. I got pretty loaded last night and slept most of the night in the chair. About six this morning I went and laid down in the bed. I actually did it without much pain.  It felt good,  except I could feel the ribs move like they unfused or something. So I got back up. Maybe it was my imagination. I'm going to hold off on my pain pills today and try and measure how much real pain there is. I'm thinking these perkos are either really doing good. Or the initial trauma is over if that makes any sense.

             

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          69. TomT226 | Aug 10, 2007 09:51pm | #264

            Hang in there.  Just like being constipated.

            "This too shall pass.." 

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            Gunner | Aug 10, 2007 10:21pm | #265

                 Speaking of constipated. Did I tell you I haven't had a "movement" Since Tuesday? The Hydrocodene will do that. I haven't really minded because of the pain involved. But now I'm thinking with all the back up that it might not be such a good idea.

             

               You probably don't want to know that.. But anyway no worry. I'm startign to feel a rumble so it must be getting close to time.

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          71. JHOLE | Aug 11, 2007 05:58am | #276

            That 's going to cause some problems.

            Don't take it light.

            I'm coming out of two weeks of Hydrocodene, Skalaxin, Prednisone, and yes - percocets.

            I lurk most of the time - and only type when it will help.

            The non-trots will F you up - and make your recovery worse.

            Hate to speak on such a touchy subject, but let your doctor know that stuff aint movin' normal.

            Others have said to watch for that side effect - they are right.

            It will inhibit your recovery.

            Wish you the best and just trying to help from experience.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

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            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 06:02am | #278

               I finaly had movement tonight. No pain at all. I think it will be OK remember I don't eat much to begin with. That's a good thing right now.

             

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          73. seeyou | Aug 11, 2007 06:12am | #282

            Since I've been on the percocets, I've only been taking one or two dumps a day.

             http://grantlogan.net/

             

            I've never met a man that was owed as much as he thought he was.

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            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 06:17am | #284

              That's all I ever take. I started out on hydrocodene they are famous for that. Read Elvis's autopsy. They explain it all in there.

             

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          75. JHOLE | Aug 11, 2007 06:12am | #283

            I knew you'd be ok.

            Just really wanted to point it out if it became a problem - or turned into one.

            It is something I have learned to watch out for through my recoveries - way TOO seldom.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

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            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 06:19am | #285

              Thanks man. I can never get enough advice, or help.

             

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          77. TomT226 | Aug 11, 2007 01:12pm | #286

            13 X27.  Full size pool table.  Macrobiotic keg beer

            Gunners Billiards & Rice Balls... 

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            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 06:19pm | #288

               I wonder what it would cost to get all that written up on a neon sign?

             

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          79. TomT226 | Aug 11, 2007 11:33pm | #295

            Then...deep fried rice balls... 

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            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 11:36pm | #296

              Now Frying.

             

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          81. TomT226 | Aug 11, 2007 11:46pm | #297

            How about "Hot & Hard Balls?"

            Sounds too baseball.

            Gotta think.... 

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            Gunner | Aug 15, 2007 05:04am | #298

               Went out yesterday to meet with the super and do a walk thru. There were a couple of changes that the framers hadn't caught and will have to go back and fix. made some doors pocket doors and they had them framed for regular doors. Little stuff. One of the big things was the builder had forgot that we upgraded to Tyvek and they already had the place covered in Owens Corning Pink wrap. Sorry guys but i want it all off.

               The first two pictures are me and my Bro inlaw who is also our realator waiting on the super. The picture makes me look like a Chicano. I kind of like it. It looks like he's yelling at me. Heck he might be I was so stoned on percocetes that I wouldn't have cared, LOL Just kidding

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               Here's a picture of the Mexican swarm working away. They've got three houses going right next door so they have plenty of guys. They go pretty quick but they are slobs. Garbage dumped everywhere. Nobody picks up a broom either. I'm not gonna say anything though. I don't want to be "One of Those" customers.

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          83. seeyou | Aug 15, 2007 05:25am | #299

            That's pretty exciting, the progress I mean. Looks pretty "festive".

            I always thought you were a Chicano. I always wondered why you didn't button the collar button on your shirts, though.

            Buy a case of bottled "agua", throw it in a cooler with ice and take it to the framing crew. If you're going to be around at quitting time, do a case of Corona or XX or Bud Light if you're a cheapass. Ask them if they would clean up behind themselves. Usually, if they leave a mess, they feel they're being taken advantage of. If they think they're getting screwed, they're probably really getting screwed. If they like you, they'll show you. Suddenly, English is easier to speak to you if you're an amigo.

             

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            Gunner | Aug 15, 2007 05:45am | #300

               I might start buttoning up that top button. And wearing a wide bandana. I'd be poppin. 

            I took them a case of water. Then I got too looking around and they already had cases of water. And all their empties thrown around. TNext to their empty McDonalds bags that are next to their squashed un eaten food laying everywhere.

               They probably do feel they are being taken advantage of, I'm sure the builder isn't paying them squat. I talked to the lead guy for a few minutes the other day. They work eight in the morning until eight at night. He seemed nice enough. But like I say they have three houses going right together there and I got the feeling he was the only one that had a grip on what was going on.

             

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          85. TomT226 | Aug 15, 2007 01:17pm | #301

            Lookin' good.  You might want to check out the pocket doors and make sure they work good before it's rocked.  Can be a PITA if they go south.  Johnson is the best hardware for'em, IMHO. 

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            Gunner | Aug 15, 2007 05:38pm | #302

               Thanks. I'll do that.

             

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            Gunner | Aug 18, 2007 08:50am | #303

               Went by the joint tonight(see my thread about Tyvek) Anyway worked my way up to the second floor and got a look at the bonus room. Pretty dang impressive. That's got more potential then the basement I do believe. If it weren't for trying to get the sailboat down the stairs and through the front door. That would be my wood shop.

             

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            Sphere | Aug 18, 2007 02:39pm | #304

            Silly, ya don't take the boat down the stairs,,,ya bring the water to the boat...

            be thinking dry dock. (G) 

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            Gunner | Aug 18, 2007 05:11pm | #305

               It would make a heck of an end table anyway.

             

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          90. plantlust | Aug 18, 2007 05:44pm | #306

            Gunner
            If they don't clean up, maybe you could move all the garbage on a pile. The only reason that I mention this is because this happened to my parents.They rented in Chicago & a new house was being built in a 'burb. I can't remember if we went to check the house progress every night or if it was every weekend & sometimes at night BUT...when we got there garbage was everywhere. Remnant wood, sawdust, garbage in general. We (parents & kids) would pick up all the garbage (inside AND out, you have no idea what was piled on the outside of the house) & put it in a pile near the curb. By the time the house was finished it was HUGE.Time for final inspection & the city refused to pass it until the builder cleaned up the garbage pile. He did. He also built the house next door, whose owners DID not move all the garbage in a pile. The builder buried all the garbage, scrap lumber etc in the yard. Lumber rotted next to the house and a little sink hole developed... Heaven only knows what crap is buried & waiting to bite.Shocking discovery! Pitbull puppies next door LOVE Riesentraube tomatoes!

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            Gunner | Aug 18, 2007 06:02pm | #307

               Went back last night and it was all cleaned up. This builder puts a wire "corral" out front for all the garbage. These guys just don't use it. They won't bury anything I think they got gigged big time on that once.

             

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            Gunner | Aug 31, 2007 04:09am | #308

               Didn't have a chance to tell you last night when I saw you. I went out Sunday and the roof was almost complete. I didn't see the roofers but they left part of the drip edge off in one area and had it bent up in a few others like they were trying to pry it up. I sent an  Email pointing that out and a list of the other #### that I saw. No response yet. We should start a pool to see how much they offer me to cancel my contract and never ask them to build a house again.

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            Sphere | Aug 31, 2007 04:14am | #309

            Doode-ness.

            I couldn't get over today to get it, but MANOMAN..I'm loving it already!  I'll try to hook up w/Gman over the weekend. I got a check for you too, in the mail tomorrow ( yeah , yeah,,I know..it REALLY is!) 

            Hey, I need a ETA on them stairs, your Sphere buddy just got real busy..for a long spell. But I already have assured that I have room for ya in OCT.  Still looking that way?

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            Gunner | Aug 31, 2007 04:27am | #310

              Roughly. I'd say around the first week in October.  I'm going to get some good pictures of them this weekend. They aren't going to be bad at all. Not as much stairs there as I thought. I'd say an easy half day.

               I kind of stumbled across those safes yesterday. Had no idea until I got to work what we were doing and didn't know they were the good ones until we got there. It worked out perfect that we were just around the corner from Grants too. The sweet thing is the combos are digital so they are easy to change.  Good old fashioned heavy duty bastads too. Being on light duty was handy. I didn't have to rassle them.

             

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          95. seeyou | Aug 31, 2007 04:32am | #311

            I thought Cindy would be pissed when i came home with a p/u full of safes, but she thought it was a good score. She found something else to get worked up about later, though.

            Thanks for the hardware, man.

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            Gunner | Aug 31, 2007 04:43am | #313

              Glad I could help. They are nice to throw your loose valuables in. Like check books and ####. A burglar aint going to mess with trying to open it.

               I've got a brand new one that was damaged in shipping. A tiny little crease on the base. Caught the boss in the right mood at the right time. I'm going to get at least one more to  mount inside the cabinetry in my office in the new house. Some place to keep the good booze.

             

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            Sphere | Aug 31, 2007 04:37am | #312

            Cool..I'll be in touch soon..gotta run right now..thanks man.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Sep 04, 2007 04:39am | #314

               Here's the pics of the stairs rough framed. Like I said not much to them.

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            Luka | Sep 04, 2007 10:49am | #315

            Looks like they got the first two sets alright.But they framed the third set sideways !

            Yeh... That'll work.

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            Gunner | Sep 05, 2007 01:37am | #318

               That was after Siesta.

             

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            Sphere | Sep 04, 2007 01:17pm | #316

            Looking good.  They getting carpet?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Sep 05, 2007 01:31am | #317

               That's what we originaly decided. If I can afford it I'd like to do hardwood.

             

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            Sphere | Sep 05, 2007 01:50am | #319

            This job I am at has barn full of Oak. about 1.5" in the rough, we could plane it to 1.125" standard tread thickness.

            I'll inquire about it tomorrow, it would be cheap, but I have not seen about what grade it would play out to, it may be knotty or mis-handled in drying and warpo...but most of what I DID see looked flat.

            Hey, I got my safe safely home, I can't get it outta the van yet, but its HOME baby..Thanks Buddy!  Grant just forklifted it into the back of the van slick as snot.  Mebbe I'll tie rope around it and drive out from under it, whaddya think? (G)Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Sep 05, 2007 02:12am | #321

               look into it we might be able to do something cool with the Oak.

               A few years ago. I brought two of those heavy buggers home. I loaded them in the back of my truck with the Forklift then when it came time to unload them I had to do it myself. Bout killed me. Then I found out the combos they gave me were wrong. So they were boat anchors. Then the bank called and said they wanted them back. I had to load them both back up in my truck by myself and haul them back to the shop. That hurt daddy. LOL

              

             

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          105. TomT226 | Sep 05, 2007 02:08am | #320

            Looks good.  I'd have to live downstairs, 'cause I wouldn't want to climb'em with a gut full of beer and smoked pork.

            Ruin the buzz... 

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            Gunner | Sep 05, 2007 02:17am | #322

                 The master bedroom is on the main floor. A few to many beers some nice butt and it's an easy walk to the bedroom. The upstairs is guest bedroom, office, and bonus room.

             

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          107. Shep | Sep 05, 2007 03:01am | #323

            You thought about putting a couple of French doors out to a little balcony off the bonus room?

            It would make getting that boat out a lot easier.

             

            Lookin' good.

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            Gunner | Sep 05, 2007 03:15am | #324

                   I might do a flip down front. :)

             

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          109. rez | Sep 11, 2007 07:16pm | #325

            dang gunner, losing a bunch of weight, building a new house... looks like yer on the high side of life's pendulum swing.

             good for ya.

             

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            Gunner | Sep 12, 2007 12:04am | #326

            Thanks. I think I'm having a good mid-life crisis. LOL

          111. mike_maines | Sep 12, 2007 12:05am | #327

            How're the ribs?

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            Gunner | Sep 12, 2007 03:45am | #328

                I think I'm going to be alright. The shoulder is bothering the heck out of me now. The doc prescribed physical therapy on it as soon as the ribs can take it. I think I'm good enough. Now I just need to find the time. This whole deal happened at the worst time.

               Ironically enough the guy the took me to the hospital in Paducah when I broke mine called this afternoon. He's back in Paducah this week with a crew and he thinks he broke his hand. He was going to get it X Rayed after work. He said it was pretty bad. We always have some sort of drama every time we go to that town.

             

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            Sphere | Sep 12, 2007 03:49am | #329

            That PT is important, please follow up on that.  When I wrecked my arm, I thought nahhh, I'm ok...man I was wrong, after that first visit, I realized how bad it would stay if I didn't keep at it.

            Really.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Sep 15, 2007 09:08pm | #331

                Hey Homie I might let you off the hook on the stairs. I looked at the trim on my sisters house being built next door to mine and if I can get that trim guy to do it  then I'm going to go with him. He's pretty good. Very nice tight joints (all coped). The guy does good work. They are only going to give me a little over a thousand dollars in credit to do mine. And with the time frame that it's going to fall in I'm going to play h e l l getting a week off to do it. So it might work out better.    I'll get him to do the basics, and after I take possession in December then I'll do the crown and trick it out. That's when I'll need ya. We'll see how it goes. 

               The windows and doors are in. The French doors in the basement are great. Thanks Winstal for hooking me up. You were right.

             

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            Sphere | Sep 15, 2007 10:19pm | #333

            Man, if you can get work outta the guy, and the only savings was 1K, by all means, go for it. I ain't gonna cry.

            I am swamped too..busiest I think I've been in years, all long term stuff, I turned down two jobs Fri. morning.

            I was just thinking of you, I installed that unistrut on the cieling of the van, and the Ladder Jet Rack from American Van...pretty cool, but a MuTHA to hang the strut and tweak the tension bungees.  SO, now I can just stuff the step ladder up under the roof.  If I slam into a car, who ever is in the passenger seat will probly get decapitated tho'...I told Rosiee, if tha happens, well, we got other problems as well..LOL

            You should be insulated by now?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Sep 16, 2007 12:39am | #334

                 You have to post some pictures of the van.

                  No we aren't insulated. The brick isn't even started yet. And the electric and home automation still has to be roughed in. I want them to slow down so I can catch up on this place. I'm five weeks behind. I'm finaly feeling good enough to do some work around here and I worked until two a.m. Slept most of the day today. I can't bounce back from no sleep like I used to.

             

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            Sphere | Sep 16, 2007 12:48am | #335

            I'll post a pic or two when I get the matching drawers made for the side doors...MAN I LOVE them that I got from you!

            Do not feel behind about the house, you had a major injury ..I mean, normally, when its somebody elses bones broke, its minor injury, only major when its ME..LOL But you  really need to let the stuff heal..

            Now is NOT the time to be working two jobs, ask your self this " will the world stop spinning, if I give it a an extra week or two?"

            I didn't think so..so, just pace your self.

            OK, Rant over..(G)Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Sep 16, 2007 02:06am | #336

               Yea the world will stop spinning. I've got to get this place ready to sell. Don't sell this one. Can't buy the other one. I'm in a time crunch to get this barge sold. Tommorrow I got a guy coming to help me get some furniture and excess stuff haule to a storage unit we rented. Then we can pain the last two rooms and hopefully slap a quicky remodel on the master bathroom. I'm not sure if I'm going to be out of town or not so I need to utilize all the time I have.

               I'm not pushing the ribs. I can't have another set back like that.

             

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            Sphere | Sep 16, 2007 02:53am | #338

            Only you know your limits, so I'll not hound ya about it.

            Hey,I do still have about a week dedicated in Oct. and my current folks are goin outta town..I have a small job for Grant to knock out, but other than that if ya need anything, I can snag a few days for ya..just keep me in the loop.

            Any other free time is going to be here on the shack, friggin 50 degrees this morning, and I have 3 windows OUT of the frames.  After the heat wave, it was damm chilly.., but I love it.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Sep 16, 2007 05:21am | #340

                 Very cool. I know I can use all the help I can get.

            Here's a couple of pictures of a house in another sub division that has the same exterior packaage that we are getting. It's not the same house mind you. Just the same exterior materials and colors. Same front door also.I'm going to post them big and small so people with broadband can get a better idea.

             

             

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            Sphere | Sep 16, 2007 03:00pm | #341

            Needs more copper.  LOL

            It will be great for y'all to have more space.

            Can you put a shooting bench rest out back?  I made one for a buddy and the backstop too..that was an angle iron frame with louvers to deflect .22 shards downward.

            It was cool, till I shot a box of .223 FMJ at it and made a bunch of holes in it..LOL  Don't do that.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Sep 16, 2007 03:34pm | #342

                 Nah there's a road back there. Wouldn't want to get the sheriff cheesed off.

             

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            BillHartmann | Sep 16, 2007 03:55pm | #343

            Is the F350 part of the exterior package?Looking at the pictures how do they run the bricks down into the ground?Wherever I have seen bricks they end at the foundation which is above ground. Looks like there could be some water and termite problems there..
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            Gunner | Sep 17, 2007 12:50am | #344

               How do termites get in through the bricks? dang you guys can find something in every picture to scare me with. LOL

             

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            Sphere | Sep 17, 2007 01:14am | #345

            They got little hammer drills.

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            Gunner | Sep 17, 2007 04:15am | #347

                My little shack just looks so much better to me every day.

             

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            JeffBuck | Sep 18, 2007 07:19am | #348

            sucker!

             

             I remember way back when this was a good idea!

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            Gunner | Sep 18, 2007 01:39pm | #349

               Ahh the good old days.

             

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            JeffBuck | Sep 19, 2007 03:36am | #350

            ok ... flaming fan of death.

             

            many yrs ago ... watched some guy on Letterman stop a metal fan with his tongue.

             

            so  ... naturally .... maybe 3 or 4am that same night .... after a nights worth of beers ... me and my buddy Mark decide it's our turn. Kid who's house we were at had a metal fan ... so we just had to.

            did so no problem.

             

            following weekend ... at a party with that same kid ... he's telling other people we can do it ... no one believes it ... so he leave the party ... retrieves the fan ... and we put on our "fan show".

             

            this was at a house party.

             

            the hosting kid ... wants to up the antie.

             

            so ... we find duct tape ... and some rags ... and lighter fluid ...

            and now we got a flaming fan.

             

            turned out the lights ... great new party trick.

             

            so now we gotta make it "of death" ... found some utility knife blades ...

            tapes them around the edge ... smartly outta "tongue's reach" ...

             

            and we put it all together!

             

            had the night time flaming fan of death.

             

             

            thinking just an OK story by now?

             

            remember that host kid?

             

            for some reason ... he decided to add a coupla sharpie markers to the flaming fan of death ... so we taped a coupla red and a coupla black sharpies to the blades too ...

             

            again ... did our trick ... took turns stopping the whole deal with our tongues.

             

            another crowd pleaser .... so as we're standing in this kids parents kitchen ....

             

            the show is over ... turn on the lights ...

             

            and see the whole freaking room  ... across the island ... down the floor ... up the walls ... across the ceiling ... was a circle of permanant sharpie ink dots in a nice mix of black and red!

             

            and that ... is the best part of the flaming fan of death!

             

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            Gunner | Sep 19, 2007 05:05am | #351

                 JEEZZUS H BALD HEADED CHRIST! You ever wonder how many people would have died if Cath hadn't found you and saved humanity from your brain.

                All in all I have to say I would have liked to have seen it in person. We can recreate it in Seeyous kitchen at Seeyou Seeme fest next summer if you want to bring the stunt out of retirement.

             

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          131. DougU | Sep 19, 2007 05:45am | #352

            Man that'd be worth the price of admission right there!

             

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            Gunner | Sep 19, 2007 05:49am | #353

                Can you imagine? There we all are in the dark sticking our tongues in this flaming fan throwing magic marker ink all over Seeyous kitchen and Mrs. Seeyou walks in.

             

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          133. DougU | Sep 19, 2007 06:10am | #354

            Mrs. Seeyou walks in.

            The party's over, just like in high school, everybody runs for the hills!

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            Sphere | Sep 19, 2007 01:03pm | #355

            Ya never know, she might try too..LOLSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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          135. DougU | Sep 19, 2007 02:16pm | #356

            Either way I'm not cleaning it up! But I will watch.

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            JeffBuck | Sep 20, 2007 02:53am | #357

            minus all the special effects ...

            just a plain old metal fan ...

             

            had to pull the old trick out last year.

             

            at some "grown up" gathering ...

            someone noticed the old metal fan in the corner ...

             

            someone else mentioned the old bit from Letterman ...

             

            I had to step up to the plate!

             

            it'd been years ... and not sure I ever did it that sober before!

             

            but still a crowd pleaser.

            that time ... and before ... was always smart enough to test the run of the blades first ... make sure they weren't running backwards!

             

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            Gunner | Sep 20, 2007 07:01am | #358

                Oh I get it now. It's all in the direction. I'm glad I'm not as adventerous as you. I would be typing with a sever lispe now. I never think about it I just do it. Man did I need a big brother like you growing up. LOL

             

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            JeffBuck | Sep 20, 2007 07:18am | #359

            same deal with a ceiling fan ...

             

            the blades are pitched ... U don't make contact with the edge ...

            U go in slow ... and catch the middle of the blade.

             

            metal ... plastic ... what ever? Same thing.

             

            run yer ceiling fan on slow ... and reach up slowly.

            your fingers just bounce off.

             

             

            hardest part of doing the tongue on the fan part is getting yer face that freaking close ... that's the part that weirds ya out. Thinking yer gonna cut yer nose off first!

             

             

            my older bro was one of the best in the biz ...

            fishing trips ... he'd "clean" the worms first ... juct chucked a muck covered worm in his mouth and slowly pulled it out ... pretty much just to make me puke.

            he also decided when fishing on vacation ... more fun to catch crabs ... and build a stock pile in the bottom of the baot ... then my job was to "empty the boat" before we docked! I got good at grabbing pissed off crabs ... trick is to get them across the top ... and latch onto their sides.

             

            he also once gave me a bloody lip for coming home with a black eye!

            said no brother of his would lose ... then Bam! And sent me back onto the playground to find and hit the kid ...

             

             

            boarding school woulda been nice ...

             

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            Gunner | Sep 21, 2007 04:40am | #360

                    I have two older brothers. Neither of which were any fun. If my oldest brother Steve took me fishing it was just because he had cooked up another plan to kill me. My other brother Timbo who's a year older just laid on the couch all the time and watched TV. Actually that's all he still does. I'm fortunate that neither one of them influenced me.

               We all worked together for a short time installing Railroad signals around the country. They would get all jacked up on beer and coke and then come to my room and want to fight. Steve and I got into a knife fight in Philly one night that pretty much kept us from working together again. Timbo and I worked together a lot for that company but after Philly the three of us never got put the three of us together at the same time again. A combo of any two was fine but never three at a time. We still argued and fought but with the third guy there there was too much egging on. 

              

             

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          140. Shep | Sep 21, 2007 04:58am | #361

            So that's why 2 AM in Penn Station didn't phase you

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            Gunner | Sep 21, 2007 05:05am | #362

               LOL The only thing that phased me was the noises in the bathroom. Thank God that wasn't a childhood memory. LOL

             

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          142. bobtim | Sep 21, 2007 07:40am | #363

            toe tapping noises?

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            Gunner | Sep 21, 2007 11:18am | #364

               Tapping noises, but not toe tapping.

             

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            JeffBuck | Sep 22, 2007 03:54am | #365

            gotta say ...

             

            my big bor was the best.

            pretty much hated him most of growing up ... but idolized him at the same time.

            he beat me just enough to keep it all "educational" ...

             

            I remember ... I was 7 yrs old ... Mom forced him to take me dirtbike riding with him and his buddies. Was only m y second time on a bike. I dumped it ...

            one of his buddies laughed ... then punched me hard in the chest ... knocking me backwards off the bike again.

            Greg walked up and just smacked the kid right in the face.

            They were around 12 at the time ... busted his lip wide open.

             

            he used that old classic line ...

            "he's my brother ... no one hits him but me"

             

            and seeing as how I'd just got back to my feet ...

            he blasted me even harder in the chest again!

             

             

            didn't even matter that day ... I was riding a real freaking motorcycle!

             

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            Gunner | Sep 22, 2007 10:47am | #367

               Timbo and I always had to share dirt bikes. Steve always had his own. Every weekend it seemed something would happen to his. He would either wreck it, or tear it apart and couldn't get it back together. Eventually he would either con us into riding ours just once or he would steal it while we were inside. He would tear it up every time.

                We never had that "I'm the only one that can hit him bond." Steve always had a habit of pizzing off large groups of people. The would usually chase him home from the bus. And we'd be right after him when he got inside the house. He was an experimenter though. That was always fun. I remember when he went through his crane phase, that was the coolest. He would build cranes out of scrap wood.

               Then he got into tunnels. That didn't go over with dad. We lived in a construction camp in Quebec way up in the middle of no where. Dad came home from work one day, and my other brother and I along with half the neighborhood had constructed a pretty elaborate tunnel system under our trailer house. I guess the old man had a valid point about cave ins. and small children trapped and killed. We blamed it all on the chief engineer. (Steve)   Man the old man yelled that night. LOL

               He really lost it when Steve built a big Azz raft out of styrofoam and scrap wood. He loaded up three other kids and set sale down the Casse river. 20 feet from shore the idea of needing a paddle occurred to him. Too late the current already had them. That was pretty spooky actually as one of the kids was in a cast. The whole camp was on the shoreline watching helplessly. He was smart enough to have built a rudder and worked his way to the opposite shore about a quarter mile down river. Finally bout three hours later a bridge crew was rounded up and they brought their boat and rescued them.

             

              

             

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            JeffBuck | Sep 23, 2007 09:03am | #369

            this is great to read ...

            take yer wilderness adventures and set them here in Pgh and we grew up the same.

             

            top of the hill from my parents house is a hillside fulla old coal mines ...

            less digging but all the fun and danger.

             

            lived thru a few mile collapses myself.

            and we could walk pretty much down hill and find the Mon River ... hardest part of any river adventure was ya had to go thru the hard core ghetto first ... then sneak thru a steel mill.

             

            there's a show on Spike TV about the "Tap Out" guys who travel the country to find the next up and coming mixed arts fighter ... then they get him on their big #### RV and travel to a fight ... coupla weeks ago ... they went thru Pgh.

            kid was due for a work out ... so they pulled over so he could get a run in.

            They parked in that old Pgh ghetto /steel town ... Braddock PA!

             

            had shots of the kid running down the street past burned out store fronts ...

            after his run this hopeful UFC fighter said he wanted a quick run to get his heart rate up ... but he was also running fast so he didn't get mugged at Noon!

             

            One town away from where I grew up ...

             

            Gotta love it!  I send Cath thru there on the way to my Chiro ...

             

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            Gunner | Sep 23, 2007 02:45pm | #370

                 Just goes to show ya. It doesn't matter where you were raised the adventures can be the same. It's all in the attitude.

             

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            Gunner | Sep 23, 2007 05:19pm | #371

               Oh by the way. The Garage floor got poured sometime last week. And I don't know if I mentioned it before or not but the windows are in. I'll post a pic later. The windows are going to come back out anyway since they neither wrapped nor flashed them. I'll be civil about it. Either they can do it or I can do it. And I'll take them out with a sledge hammer. They broke one of the biggest ones when they installed it anyway.

               Man I got to lay off the coffee this early in the morning.

             

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            Gunner | Oct 13, 2007 06:29am | #372

                 Made a nice score while I was out of town this week. A wireless add on system for my house alarm. I'll be able to turn my alarm on and off with a key fob instead of entering my code in the key pad every time I enter and exit. And if I can get our tech geek to do it I'm going to have him install door strikes on the doors so I can unlock them with the same key fob. It has two buttons so it should work out.  

             

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          150. plantlust | Oct 14, 2007 04:54pm | #373

            You know what you need for your new house? A dog. You wouldn't happen to be interested in Beauty, a short golden tan/white-only-comes-to-my knees female, who LOVES raw cherry tomatoes, Mutsu apples & double cream brie on French bread. Er forgot to mention that she can climb a 4ft chainlink fence to join her preferred pack."The red-cherryish impression of Cantine Argiolas's Costera (2004-15USD) is spiced with notes of black pepper and terra-cotta." How the hell does someone know what terra-cotta tastes like?!?!

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            Gunner | Oct 15, 2007 01:12am | #375

                Thanks but no thanks. LOL

             

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 04:19am | #376

                Alright with all the negative stuff in the Tyvek thread I figured I should post some positive stuff. The Brick is nearly completed. And I am really impressed. Freaking straightest neatest brick job I've seen in a long time. (of course it probably all fell down after I said that) Pretty cool crew of Mexicans. I don't think any of them spoke English. And they worked together really well. I've never met bricklayers that happy. Normally bricklayers harass the heck out of the hod carriers. Not these guys.These guys sang and laughed and Bs'd all day. I've been with them the last two and a half days wiring in my home automation and phones and cables. I think that they are fairly fresh to this country as they didn't have a microwave. Normally Hispanic crews have a microwave that they pack around and cook in. These guys had an old skillet. At lunch time they would start a fire and put the skillet on it and start cooking . It looked like something straight off of the trail. I thought about trying to mooch lunch off them today. But decided not to.

               Still no one here understands the concept of weep holes. They made sure to put them on top of each window along with the cotton rope. And they also put them under the windows along with the cotton rope. Had me cracking up. I know the super was the one that told them to do it. It's funny but it's sad at the same time.

               I finally got the fortress of solitude wired up today. Alarm, phones, cable, surround sound. data, as well as the scene lighting system is roughed in. I have to go back tomorrow and pull a couple more cables for the IR sensors so I can run the sound system from anywhere with a remote. Since my builder could still piss me off enough to walk. Or they could get tired enough of building a proper house and cancel my contract. I took the precaution of looping all my cables in the wall so they will be drywalled over. When I'm ready to hook them up I can fish them out. Tomorrow I'll take pictures and measure out where my loops are and document them. If by some fluke someone else buys the house then I'll have a very informative Picture CD to sell them. I'm not doing it to be vindictive. I just want to be compensated for my time and trouble. 

               I also dropped blue smurf tubes from the attic to the basement in the Master bedroom, my office, and the Great room for future projects. There is also a furnace flue chase I can use for bigger runs if I need to.

                It's gonna be a bad azz crib. You have to come check it out when we have the big house warming this summer.

             

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 04:20am | #377

              Forgot the picture.

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            Edited 10/27/2007 9:21 pm ET by Gunner

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            Matt | Oct 28, 2007 05:39am | #378

            Sounds like the GC is kinda doing you a favor by letting you run the cable and what not in his house...

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 11:40am | #379

               Yea. They will let the homeowner do that which is very nice. The deal is if you don't buy it for whatever reason then you don't get reimbursed for anything you put into it. That's the thinking behind leaving everything looped behind the drywall. If we don't get it then I' the only one that knows where it's all at. And the new homeowner may not want the stuff anyway so he won't have all those unwanted wires sticking out.

             

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            Luka | Oct 28, 2007 02:30pm | #380

            You are taking plenty of pictures of your work, right ?It's good to have a picture of the wall/wire loop, before the drywall is put on, so you can see exactly where it is when you need to get to it.

            Get your head out of the box.

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 04:31pm | #382

            91104.378

                 Yes. That's what I'm going to do today.  And like I said in the post linked above. I will gladly sell a copy of the CD to whomever buys the house if for some reason I don't. I'm leaving my extra alarm keypads and everything I can in the walls. The only exception is the glass breaks and ceiling mount 360 motions.

               I ran a data line to your room and set it up so if you come out into the hallway a motion detector will turn on the hall light, stair lighting, and undercabinet lighting in the kitchen. You know for midnight snacks and such. And so you don't wake us up stubbing your toe. Pretty cool huh?

             

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            Luka | Oct 28, 2007 07:03pm | #390

            Hey, cool !!So yer going to stock the fridge with pepperoncini, cold pizza, milk, and dip for the chips, right ?A few dozen pints of ice cream wouldn't hurt, either...;o)

            Get your head out of the box.

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 07:08pm | #391

               You know it.

             

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          160. Shep | Oct 28, 2007 07:58pm | #392

            You gotta have the yard lights for the guys staggering in at 4 AM from a pub crawl LOL

            And the motion-sensitive hall lights would be a good idea, too

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 09:06pm | #393

                Note to self: Shut off net cannons and land mines before pub crawl.

             

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          162. Shep | Oct 28, 2007 09:08pm | #394

            And I'd think twice before giving DW the access codes to those features.

            She might turn them back on after you leave.

            You know, just for protection. <G>

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 09:11pm | #395

               I wouldn't put it past her. :)

             

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          164. TomT226 | Oct 28, 2007 02:36pm | #381

            Smart thing to do, documenting everything in the structure.  Look for the outside runs too, take measurements, and include that.  I did that here, and it saved a world of hurt when running a trencher... 

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 04:37pm | #383

                 Yea that's a good idea. I can't imagine the pot smoking subs here running a trench with any logical thinking. I for sure want to throw a 2'' PVC under the side walk too when they get ready to pour it and document that. I'm not a yard light guy but you never know.

             

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          166. MisterT | Oct 28, 2007 05:02pm | #384

            they are not "yard lights"you call them "Perimeter security illumination devices"you will want them so you cantell at night exactly where the minefield starts....
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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 05:17pm | #385

                True. I added net cannons that fire when the mines go off. They cover the yard in case anyone tries to run away from the mines. They get tied up in the nets and held in place.   I'm sure since it's fairly new there will be some misfires and what not but when all the kinks are worked out the survivors will really admire me.

             

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            Sphere | Oct 28, 2007 05:41pm | #386

            " A few kinks"

            Yeah, like when the cannons lob out fishnet stockings?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 05:44pm | #387

              If I ever host a fest I could have them lob out door prizes. Catching a flying chizel might not go over good though.

             

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            Sphere | Oct 28, 2007 05:59pm | #388

            First volley, catchers mitts, then the sharps.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 06:49pm | #389

                Good idea. Maybe you better be in charge.

             

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          172. Piffin | Oct 28, 2007 09:28pm | #396

            What are you gonna do about that main front entry where you have the water from half an acre of roof draining right there?!?!Some designers oughtar be shot to do the world a favor. 

             

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 09:34pm | #397

               Gutters.

             

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          174. Piffin | Oct 28, 2007 10:13pm | #398

            OK - I don't see any trees to fill them up with leaves. I'll let him off this time. 

             

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            Gunner | Oct 28, 2007 10:30pm | #399

               Don't worry there are plenty of "targets of opertunity."

             

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          176. Piffin | Oct 28, 2007 11:53pm | #400

            I'll keep the scattergun loaded then for some flock shooting 

             

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            Gunner | Oct 29, 2007 04:53am | #401

                Good I can always use the back up.

             

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          178. Piffin | Oct 29, 2007 05:09am | #402

            I never did like being point man, but I can do backup or ride shotgun just fine 

             

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            Gunner | Oct 29, 2007 05:14am | #403

               Just don't blow the back of my head off with that thing.

             

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          180. Piffin | Oct 29, 2007 06:03am | #404

            Aw - yu'll never miss itknow all those things you keep percolating in the back of your mind?what a relief to have them taken care of! 

             

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            Gunner | Oct 29, 2007 06:41am | #405

              Hey while your back there watching my back check out the roof running along the back of the master bedroom. Pretty funny stuff huh?

             

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          182. Piffin | Oct 29, 2007 07:14am | #406

            no comment is worth of that work, but I wonder if they jumped straight from buildin chicken coops in mexico to framing your house 

             

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          183. rez | Oct 29, 2007 07:22am | #407

            What in the world happened there anyhow?

            Sure hope it's just that the door is opened a tad in that pic.  

          184. Piffin | Oct 29, 2007 07:31am | #408

            Well, they just lopped off the hip rafterr tail by eyeball it looks like, then failed to shi the right side subfacia to be straight, then they ran the fascia facing us over the door by just throwing it at the house with no attempt to make it set level. I can't tell whether the tails on that side are cur even or not.

            The door? i am thinking the installer uses some personal touch for hanging doors that I haven't got figured out yet

             

            The roof? I thought it was finished....but this one isn't - I hope 

             

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            Gunner | Oct 29, 2007 01:03pm | #409

               Exactly.

             

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          186. TomT226 | Oct 29, 2007 02:09pm | #411

            Man, that's unacceptable.

            I know a crew of drunks down here that I can send up there and straighten ALL those problems out...for beer and gas money... 

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            Gunner | Oct 30, 2007 03:36am | #415

               A bunch of drunks have already worked on it. Send some more it can't hurt.

             

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          188. seeyou | Oct 30, 2007 04:54am | #416

            A bunch of drunks have already worked on it.

            I'll be honest, Rick. I've never, ever seen anything that phuckedup. Jeezy Pete.http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Oct 30, 2007 05:01am | #417

               Think you could gutter it for me?

               I hate to admit it but I never noticed it. A buddy of mine was lining me up in the central Vac Saturday and I was showing him around and he looked up and asked me if they were going to fix it. I was shocked.

              

             

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            Gunner | Oct 30, 2007 05:33am | #418

               Wait. You called me Rick. You must be serious.

               The place is starting to remind me of that place Gene Hackman built in that Clint Eastwood movie. The Unforgiven. "You ought to shoot hte carpenter." Is a classic line that comes to mind.

             

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          191. seeyou | Oct 30, 2007 05:44am | #419

            "You ought to shoot hte carpenter."

            You ought to shoot the super and the builder. Mistakes like that happen every day. But somebody has to be accountable and not let the shingles go on something that isn't framed right. These clowns have already spent more redoing 3 or 4 steps past the mistake than they've saved by hiring the cheap subs. http://grantlogan.net/

             

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          192. DougU | Oct 30, 2007 07:07am | #420

            Are you sure you want this place?

            I know your wife does but man.......

            Doug

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            JeffBuck | Oct 30, 2007 07:51am | #421

            any other new const / subdivision place is gonna be just as bad.

            he's already got most of the kinks worked out.

             

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          194. DougU | Oct 31, 2007 05:48am | #434

            any other new const / subdivision place is gonna be just as bad.

            Your saying that there are not any good builders in the area? Hard to believe!

            I dont know if he really has all the kinks worked out, does he? If you have to babysit someone building your house then I'm wondering whether or not all kinks have been caught, hope so for gunners sake but no way would I want to go through what he has to.

            Shouldnt be that damn hard to spend a few hundred thousand.

            We have low end trac builders here, same as most areas but I know that I can put my hand on a lot more quality builders then I can hack builders.

            Doug

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            JeffBuck | Oct 31, 2007 06:40am | #435

            I see #### from any of the names anyone knows around here.

            I'm sure there are tons of small guys building a handful per year ...

             

            but the "best" of the big names ... Ryan ... are still borderline #### that I'd never move into.

            tract homes are tract homes ... no matter how U dress them up.

             

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          196. DougU | Oct 31, 2007 06:45am | #436

            tract homes are tract homes ... no matter how U dress them up.

            I agree but is that what gunner is buying? I was under the (assumption on my part) impression that this was a custom builder? Maybe not

            Doug

          197. Piffin | Oct 31, 2007 12:25pm | #437

            I don't think it's fully custom, just able to adjust a coupld things by having a prior commintment to it.Way I see this builder is that he thinks he does a god job but has no idea how to go about i. He does not supervise the subs properly so each sub is expected to fix the problems left behind by the previous sub until it finaly comnes down to "The painters ccan fix that"One reason I got into custom building and remodeling. I couldn't stand tract work. 

             

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            Gunner | Oct 31, 2007 02:14pm | #438

                 He does both. And Piffin is pretty close. The subs do what they want and the "Supers" make sure they did something. The "supers" don't really know what they are looking at.

               

             

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            Luka | Oct 31, 2007 05:08pm | #439

            Buy one of these.http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95964Take it to the next meeting...

            Get your head out of the box.

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            Gunner | Nov 01, 2007 01:11am | #440

               I'm gonna have to get that one I sold to Sphere back.

             

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          201. MikeSmith | Nov 02, 2007 07:55pm | #441

            hey gunner, thanks for the tune !Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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            Gunner | Nov 02, 2007 07:57pm | #442

               No problem.

             

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            G80104 | Oct 30, 2007 11:41am | #422

            I think it's the workers,

            You know, "the ones doing the Jobs us Americans won't do!"

            Like Buck says, it's Nationwide.

            If you want anything done right nowadays you got to do it yourself!

          204. Piffin | Oct 30, 2007 01:31pm | #423

            Yeah, I have people come here from awy, look at our work and say something like, "Gee, I wish we could get work like this back home" when they are looking at what is simple basicc stuff 

             

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            Gunner | Oct 30, 2007 02:11pm | #424

               AHH HAA. They hire American subs. But the American subs, sub it out too the Mexican crews. The Americans are almost giving the job away already they have to bid it so cheap. You can only imagine what they pay the Mexicans. The HVAC guys are all American. And they seem to have been smoking pot most of the time.

             

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          206. seeyou | Oct 31, 2007 01:55am | #430

            And they seem to have been smoking pot most of the time.

            Yup - takes the edge off the meth buzz.http://grantlogan.net/

             

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          207. Piffin | Oct 31, 2007 03:40am | #431

            Hey gunner...?Embrace the suck! 

             

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            Gunner | Oct 31, 2007 04:17am | #432

                 FREAKING ROAR! That was perfect! You deserve one of those one liner awards. LOL Perfect timing.

             

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          209. Piffin | Oct 29, 2007 06:51pm | #412

            sheet! they frame like I typeLOL 

             

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          210. rez | Oct 30, 2007 01:29am | #413

            dang gunner, I didn't know it was getting that bad,

            that roof shot sucks the big one.

            Makes freakin' everything suspect now. 

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            Gunner | Oct 30, 2007 03:33am | #414

                That's why they hate me. I make em tear it out and fix it. :)

               I've been out of cell service all day when I got back in, there was a voice mail telling me that to move my HVAC ( to where it's supposed to be) it will cost five to six grand. I'm gonna have to call a meeting with the HVAC guy and the owner of the company. I want to know why I have to pay extra to move my HVAC over to the condensation drain line eleven feet away from the furnace. 

             

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            Edited 10/29/2007 8:34 pm ET by Gunner

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            Sphere | Oct 29, 2007 01:42pm | #410

            Do I have ta come over there?

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          213. MikeSmith | Oct 30, 2007 07:26pm | #425

            nothing a 2x4 shim can't fix...

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          214. canoehead2 | Oct 30, 2007 07:50pm | #426

            I've been following your saga and must say that you are doing a good job at keeping your sense of humour and not letting it get to you too much.

            That subfacia is horrible!  Don't let them get away with that (I know you won't).  If I were the HO I'd would have totally lost my cool if I saw crappy framing like that from a "custom" builder.

            Good luck.  Keep the pressure on them.  You're right.  They're wrong.

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            Gunner | Oct 30, 2007 08:09pm | #427

            I scheduled another come to Jesus meeting for Friday. The supervisor of supervisors is coming. Poor old kid. :)

          216. Shep | Oct 31, 2007 12:24am | #428

            You gonna ask the builder for a discount for all the hours you've spent supervising the superviser?

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            Gunner | Oct 31, 2007 04:26am | #433

               Pretty ridiculous. One of the things I'm going to go over Friday is how to grade the yard believe it or not. If I don't they will grade right up to the weep holes. That's what they did on my sisters house. They also poured the sidewalks even with the top of the bottom coarse of bricks. Pretty much cancels out putting any dirt or much between the sidewalk and house as it will fill up the weep holes and flow right beck into the house.

             

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          218. JohnT8 | Nov 02, 2007 08:19pm | #443

             One of the things I'm going to go over Friday is how to grade the yard believe it or not. If I don't they will grade right up to the weep holes.

            Well how the HECK do you expect the termites to get in otherwise?!

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            Gunner | Nov 02, 2007 08:21pm | #444

                They are going to have to work for it.

             

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          220. JohnT8 | Nov 02, 2007 08:22pm | #445

            dang, you were fast on the drawl on that one.  I happened to look at what I posted and corrected a typo but you'd already replied/

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          221. rez | Nov 02, 2007 08:38pm | #446

            gunner-

            You think this thread should be placed in the Photo Index under Misc.: Poor Building Practices? 

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            Gunner | Nov 02, 2007 08:41pm | #447

                No. It can be saved. Patience my friend.

             

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            Gunner | Nov 03, 2007 01:00am | #448

               I may have spoken too soon. The Super super got our wires crossed and didn't hook up today. I'm going to meet him out there at 9:30 in the morning. The wife wanted to ride out and see what's up. The guys were digging in the septic. And the vinyl is up. Guess what. You guessed it.

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            Gunner | Nov 03, 2007 01:10am | #449

               That post above was meant for you.

             

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            Sphere | Nov 03, 2007 01:23am | #450

            A good painter can hide that...LMAOSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Nov 03, 2007 01:37am | #451

                 I'm clueless as to what they are expecting me to do. I pointed it out last weekend and said that it needed to be fixed before the vinyl and aluminum gets wrapped. And they go ahead and do it anyway. Didn't they learn anything from the Tyvek episode?

              Son of a fricken frackin...........mumble mumble

             

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          227. seeyou | Nov 03, 2007 02:01am | #453

            You're a stronger man than I am. I'd have gone off by now and split somebody's skull and pooped in it.

            I hate to bring this up, but you've caught an awful lot of stuff wrong. Wonder how much you've missed?

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            Gunner | Nov 03, 2007 02:06am | #455

                I told the wife on the way hometonight that  tommorrow we may not have a new house come ten a.m. I'm gonna give the guy tommorrow the benefit of the doubt as far as not knowing what has been going on. BUT! He better have a can do attitude as far as getting it squared away ASAP. I'm fixing to get Sh!tty.

             

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          229. seeyou | Nov 03, 2007 02:35am | #458

            I know I'm spoiled, because I get to work with the best builders in this area. So, I'm gonna tell this story and hopefully the misery loves company aspect will make you feel better about your project.

            The BEST custom home builder (IMHO) around has pulled some incredible boners. All from lack of supervision. I've only been subbing to them for a couple of years. Probably about a quarter of my work for them has been redoing roofing F/U's from several years before. And some of them are incredible F/U's. They're under control now, but they had some serious growing pains for a few years.

            That may be part of your builder's problem. But I am concerned about their reluctance to fix the "obvious" stuff.http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Nov 03, 2007 03:44am | #462

                It's not growing pains. It's using the Church and relatives of people at the church as an employment agency. From what I understand there is only one guy with any construction background there. The rest of them have zero. Now in some cases that's a good thing. But in this case they show no initiative to educate themselves on the subject. House wrap flapping in the wind is normal to them.

               

             

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            Gunner | Nov 03, 2007 11:24pm | #464

                OK nice meeting today. The supers super is a pretty cool guy. He doesn't like my super any more then I do. I could tell right away that he wasn't hired through the first Baptist Union hall like the rest of them.

               We went over all my issues and he said that he would hold up on the drywall until they were taken care of. As far as moving the HVAC trunk line. He's doubtful that it can be done. He does see my point and is going to go back over it with the heating and air guy again after hearing my side of it. The heating and air guy wants five to six grand to move the furnace over and run the duct on the side I want it. To be fair the builder is the one that specs the furnace be put on an outside wall in the basement. This is to open up more room in the basement. Normally the HVAC goes in the center for efficiency reasons. And the condensation drain is in the middle. The HVAC guys knowing that the builder wants it out of the way put it where they normally put it. And they also put the vent close to the wall. If they move it out where I want it he thinks the vent will be right in the way as it needs to slope down to allow condensation to run off. Makes sense to me. If his other guy had explained that instead of blowing me off there would be much less tension. He is still going to check with the heating and air guy to make sure that there is nothing they can do.

               He's never been to my house and only knew a little about what was going on. The guy has a lot of building experience and knows his stuff. He's not scared to point out an F up either. He did tell me that he had a heart to heart with the owner yesterday and basically told him that he needs to fire a few people. It was a mistake to hire them and they are dragging all of them down by keeping them around. The owner finally conceded that he was right. I guess that this has been going on for a long time.

                We discussed the fact that my super still hasn't grasped the concept of proper house wrapping and flashing. He told me they had a day and a half class on it put on by Tyvek.( I guess it was after mine was done.) Anyway a week later he got pizzed because some of his guys were still doing it wrong. He gave them a spot test and three out of seven recalled how to wrap a window from the class. It's like I told him. Building a house is an understanding of how it needs to function. You either understand it or you don't. I used my super as an example. As much painstaking detail as I went through to educate him ,and then they sent him to a day and a half of classes ,and he still didn't see a need to flash my mechanicals coming out of the walls before brick. He was just going to leave big holes in the wall.  As many houses as he has built, and as many as he going to build, he'll never know what he is doing.

               Anyway the result was that I'll send him a list of what I want done he'll take care of them, and let me look them over before drywall goes up. That's fair enough.

              

             

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          232. Piffin | Nov 03, 2007 11:46pm | #465

            So you finally stumbled across a pro!? 

             

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            Gunner | Nov 04, 2007 12:06am | #466

                I think so.

             

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          234. seeyou | Nov 04, 2007 12:22am | #467

            I feel much better for you after hearing this. Everybody screws up. That's why there's erasers on pencils. But somebody has to be accountable. Looks like you've gotten to the somebody.

            A lot of people in the trades are there because they can't do anything else. But many more (the majority, I'd guess) do their jobs because they like it and take a lot of pride in their work. This includes Mexicans and any other subgroup you can think of. Pride has to start at the top, though, and if you've got a sub or super that doesn't care, that attitude will carry down. If a crew leader strives for excellence and congratulates his crew for good work more than he bitches about mistakes, most will follow along.

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            Gunner | Nov 04, 2007 12:54am | #468

                 That should be the quote of the day. No one could say it any better then that.

             

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            BillHartmann | Nov 04, 2007 01:00am | #469

            "The HVAC guys knowing that the builder wants it out of the way put it where they normally put it. And they also put the vent close to the wall. If they move it out where I want it he thinks the vent will be right in the way as it needs to slope down to allow condensation to run off. Makes sense to me. If his other guy had explained that instead of blowing me off there would be much less tension."That part can easily be taking care of using a condenate pump. It is an extra maintance item so it is best to use gravity when available. But if it ends up making a better installtion them go for it.The pumps are fairly inexepnsive. My guess that "retail", installed maybe an extra $250. But that is just a wild guess.But of course that it not the only issue in your case. But don't let them blow it off just for that reason.And I am sure that you would be expected to pay for that. And maybe some of the other cost in moving it.It depends on who missed this. You, the "builder" (in quote for more than one read <G>), or the HVAC guy..
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            Gunner | Nov 04, 2007 01:10am | #470

               Thanks Bill. I just googled that and it seems like what I would need.

             

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            CloudHidden | Nov 05, 2007 05:57pm | #495

            A cautionary tale on condensate pumps. I know a case where here the A/C drained into a condensate pump via a PEX line. The PEX was square cut and set into the top opening of the pump. Being square cut, it rested flush against the bottom of the tank. Enough water would sneak out to drain, but over time, dust, dirt, etc gathered there and gradually blocked the gap. That caused the drain line to back up, and eventually to overflow. Angle cutting the bottom of the PEX would have prevented that from happening. Don't know if there's a better way to handle the feed line...maybe a clamp on the tube to hold it off the bottom...angle cut worked. Here's what it looked like...feeder goes in through the hole to the left side of the picture.

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          239. seeyou | Nov 03, 2007 01:58am | #452

            Hell, that doesn't look near as bad with the wrap on it. Couple whacks with a hammer on the drip edge and PERFECTO!http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Nov 03, 2007 02:01am | #454

               I'm sure that's what Zed said too Cletus.

             

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          241. DougU | Nov 03, 2007 02:08am | #456

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            Problem is everytime you look up there your going to be cussing up a storm!

            I'm with seeyou on this.

            The other thing, I was thinking about this thread the other day (man I must be bored shidless) IF you did decide not to take this place the new owners will owe you a big one because you did get a lot of things fixed! Not much consolation but .........

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            Gunner | Nov 03, 2007 02:17am | #457

                I'm not going to be cussing up a storm when I look up there. I'm going to be admiring a nice straight line. Because they are going to tear it out and fix it.

               And if we don't wind up getting this house then I'll chalk it up to doing a stranger a favor. And then I'll sell them a picture cd of the wiring I pulled for a fully automated home. Including alarm, and stereo. The insulators insulated and left the wires coiled up in the walls behind the insulation so even if they had a rough idea of where the wires are they won't be able to find them behind all that even with a toner.

             

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            Gunner | Nov 04, 2007 10:02pm | #471

              Forgot to attach the latests progress picture.

             

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            Sphere | Nov 04, 2007 10:12pm | #472

            Is it me , or are them shutters askew? No kiddin.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Nov 04, 2007 10:44pm | #473

               Explain yourself. I can't stand plastic shutters myself.

             

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            Sphere | Nov 04, 2007 10:57pm | #474

            Might be shadows or the picture angle, but I swear they look crooked on one window, and unlevel on the other.

            I'd have to go back and open the pic with paint and circle them, if you can't detect it. But, like I said, might just be the picture being the way it is..probly fine in real life.

            Plastic isn't as bad as a when the window is wider than the combined width of two shutters..like if they were operable, they'd never meet in the middle..THAT drives me nuts. (G)Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Nov 05, 2007 02:42am | #476

                I think they are stupid looking. shutters that work are great. But two plastic panels screwed to the wall look idiotic to me. That's something my wife wanted. I've learned to pick my battles.

             

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            CloudHidden | Nov 05, 2007 06:01pm | #496

            >Plastic isn't as bad as a when the window is wider than the combined width of two shutters.Got one I drive by every day. Window's a round top. Shutters are, too, except they're about 6" shorter than the round top of the window!! Like nails on a chalkboard every time I see it.

          249. MisterT | Nov 05, 2007 12:19am | #475

            it just that the windows are out of plumb...good enuf!!!.
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            Gunner | Nov 05, 2007 02:43am | #477

               Your probably right. I've learned not to check. :)

             

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          251. JohnT8 | Nov 29, 2007 08:18pm | #549

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          252. DougU | Nov 05, 2007 05:03am | #478

            or are them shutters askew?

            Thats to authenticate the look, you know, partially open/closed.

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          253. rez | Nov 05, 2007 06:00am | #479

            I'm thinking with a straight-on shot like that and the sun from the right throwing the shadow that it's an optical.

            But what throws me are the bottom slopes of the those two red circled eaves? And I don't understand the roof thing on the right side of the center

            unless it was the guy buying the house who said 'Look you sorry sac ofsh!d I dont care if you say it's already done or not, yer gonna do that flashing right or else!!!!'

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          254. DougU | Nov 05, 2007 06:49am | #481

            rez

            They look just like the ones on that center bump out, to the left of the door way.

            Are you seeing something different or is it the angle.

            This shot is the first time I realized how big this house is! Gunner be moving on up, probably wont have time for regular foke any more.

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            Gunner | Nov 05, 2007 06:56am | #483

              I probably won't be able to afford knowing anyone anymore. LOL

             

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          256. seeyou | Nov 05, 2007 06:56am | #484

             And I don't understand the roof thing on the right side of the center

            What you're seeing is shingles that are left off until the brick is finished and washed. The roofers will come back and fill in those shingles and flash the wall.http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Nov 05, 2007 07:10am | #486

               Quite repeating me. Wait you typed yours first. Anyway, I think he'll get the point.

             

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          258. rez | Nov 05, 2007 09:34am | #487

            I think what I'm seeing is shingles that are left off until the brick is finished and washed. The roofers will come back and fill in those shingles and flash the wall. 

          259. JHOLE | Nov 05, 2007 01:29pm | #489

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            Is this just an illusion?

            Just doesn't look like the same guy did both sides.

            Maybe I'm going nutser.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

          260. Piffin | Nov 05, 2007 02:28pm | #490

            Not illusion
            ( some of this stuff is -due to digital distortion)I thought the center dormer roof was leaning to the leaft until you pointed this out. That lamb chop is larger on the left side than on the right 

             

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          261. Piffin | Nov 05, 2007 02:29pm | #491

            Gunner, I see you have read JHOLEs message.I wonder what you are muttering about it right now...;) 

             

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          262. JHOLE | Nov 05, 2007 05:38pm | #494

            This is an earlier pic he had posted.

            Not sure yet where it went wrong, but everything is trimmed out except that corner.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

          263. Piffin | Nov 06, 2007 12:40am | #497

            So a different guy or crew did that final one. He never even took time to check how it was supposed to be, just did what he wanted.Poor gunner, his house was born with a genetic defect making one ear bigger than the other. All the kids are gonna make fun of him at school now. 

             

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          264. JHOLE | Nov 06, 2007 12:59am | #498

            I'm sure the gutter guy will straighten it all out.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

          265. canoehead2 | Nov 06, 2007 02:51am | #500

            Or the painter can build it up with caulking to make it look the same size.

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            Gunner | Nov 06, 2007 06:27am | #501

                 I was in a hurry when I looked at it this morning and couldn't figure out what he was talking about. I'll look at it again.

               While I got you I'll tell you about the call I got from my sister today. The head super stopped in her office this afternoon. I guess he was pretty impressed with me. He told her I really had my sh!t together and knew what I was talking about. First thing this morning he took our subdivision away from our super and put in another one. And said that he would take a personnel interest in our house. She seemed surprised that he gave me so much credit. I told her she never should have doubted me.  She also seemed to be sucking up after treating me like a pain in the Azz customer these last few months. Oh well like I say. If you believe in your fight, never waiver, and you will always win.

               

             

            .

            "I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different."  Kurt Vonnegut jr.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MG1ZfFiZ8&mode=related&search=  Mercy now

          267. Piffin | Nov 06, 2007 02:00pm | #503

            Well, she's your sister.So
            She KNOWS you area PITA;) 

             

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          268. JohnT8 | Nov 29, 2007 08:23pm | #550

            While I got you I'll tell you about the call I got from my sister today. The head super stopped in her office this afternoon. I guess he was pretty impressed with me. He told her I really had my sh!t together and knew what I was talking about. First thing this morning he took our subdivision away from our super and put in another one. And said that he would take a personnel interest in our house. She seemed surprised that he gave me so much credit. I told her she never should have doubted me.  She also seemed to be sucking up after treating me like a pain in the Azz customer these last few months. Oh well like I say. If you believe in your fight, never waiver, and you will always win.

            Isn't that the point where the alarm clock goes off and you wake up?  ;)

            [edit to add]  Did you ever get your bonus hallway turned back into a bonus room?

            jt8

            "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." --Upton Sinclair

            Edited 11/29/2007 12:37 pm by JohnT8

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            Gunner | Nov 30, 2007 09:20pm | #556

               LOL I don't know if it's a dream or not but I'll take it.

               They fixed the bonus hallway. The walls still aren't as far back as I want them. I'd like it back another two foot. That's something I couldn't get meat head to comprehend. I'll probably wait until I finish it to move it where I want it. that's a year or two away.

             

             

             "You can't roller skate in a Buffalo herd." Roger Miller

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

          270. JohnT8 | Nov 30, 2007 09:41pm | #557

            If you're only talking about a foot or two worth of depth, sounds like a good space for built in cabinets/components/dresser... or some other form of storage.

            Glad to hear that things have significantly smoothed out.jt8

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            Gunner | Dec 01, 2007 02:45am | #558

               Eventually that's going to be a media room. I want to make it acoustically tight so maybe leaving the walls like that will be good. I don't know. That's why I'm not too worried about them now.

              

             

             

             "You can't roller skate in a Buffalo herd." Roger Miller

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

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            Gunner | Nov 06, 2007 06:44am | #502

               I see what your saying now. I'll have to look closer when I get home. I'm still not sure if it's the angle of the picture or not.

             

            .

            "I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different."  Kurt Vonnegut jr.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MG1ZfFiZ8&mode=related&search=  Mercy now

          273. Piffin | Nov 06, 2007 02:05pm | #504

            I have seen digital distortion before, but this is not.
            The rafter tails are about 1-2" longer which drops the soffit lower by almost that much comnpared to the other side 

             

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            Gunner | Nov 11, 2007 04:22am | #515

                The wife and I went over tonight to check up on what's going on. It seems the majority of the houses in the neighborhood have the uneven facia board on the upstairs dormers. And they aren't the same design or the same builder. I don't know what's up with that.

               Anyway the roof is finaly done and the drywall is going up. They are about three quarters done with it. It looks good. The new super also has the roof finished and all the little BS problems taken care of. I'm getting happy again.

             

            . "Chuck. Chuck. It's Marvin - your cousin, Marvin BERRY. You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this."

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=229QkXMvdc0

          275. dovetail97128 | Nov 11, 2007 10:33am | #516

            Maybe it is the "Signature" feature of the neighborhood. Kinda the unifying theme as it were. ;-)
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

          276. seeyou | Nov 11, 2007 02:55pm | #517

             all the little BS problems taken care of. I'm getting happy again.

            We're getting happy, too. I was having a hard time getting my head around nobody in that company giving a sh!t.

            My sister and her husband had similar problems in Jefferson County, but they were clueless about what to look for. No telling what got missed before the "good" super took over.

            Their roof was still leaking 3 years after they moved in. I went and looked and the flashing was not cut into the brick joints. The flasher had cut and bent perfect flags and caulked them to the face of the brick so it looked as if it was flashed. Flags were as pretty as any I've ever seen. Must not have had his grinder that day.http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Nov 11, 2007 05:19pm | #518

                I don't think anything is going to get done this week. Extreme makeover home edition is in town. They are redoing a house for a blind and handicap kid that plays in the UofL marching band. I guess the kids dad pushes him and his wheel chair while the band is marching. So when they are practicing the dad just walks through everything with the band and leaves the kid on the sidelines. When it's raining I guess he sits out in the rain or under an umbrella. So our builder is building a shelter for him to sit in. And a storage building for the bands equipment. I think it's a pretty cool thing to do.

                From what I hear he has all his people over there trying to get it done by Tuesday or Wednesday.

               Who was your sisters builder?

             

            . "Chuck. Chuck. It's Marvin - your cousin, Marvin BERRY. You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this."

             

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            Sphere | Nov 11, 2007 05:22pm | #519

            Dirty Jobs is gonna be in Lex sometime soon.

            Core drilling I hear.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Nov 11, 2007 05:34pm | #520

               I'd like to watch that episode. I worked as a core driller for a day and a half. Not fun at all.

             

            . "Chuck. Chuck. It's Marvin - your cousin, Marvin BERRY. You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this."

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=229QkXMvdc0

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            G80104 | Nov 16, 2007 06:24am | #528

            You going to be in for the Holidays?

            Keep an open eye out for the final grade around the house.

            To many do it wrong!

            Water away from the Casa!

            Down spouts & all,

            Concrete sloped the right way.

            Nothing like the smell of new Diggs!

            Looks like you will have a real classy Place,

            The Dw wil enjoy breaking the bank with the new furniture & window coverings!

            Save a few $$$ for the Man Cave!

            Life is Good!

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            Gunner | Nov 16, 2007 06:35am | #529

                   We won't be in for the holidays. When I did residential electric I used to hate people that farted around building their houses and then then decided a two weeks before Christmas they wanted to be in for the holidays. I don't care when they get it done as long as it's done right.

             

            . "Chuck. Chuck. It's Marvin - your cousin, Marvin BERRY. You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this."

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=229QkXMvdc0

          282. DougU | Nov 16, 2007 07:00am | #530

             I used to hate people that farted around building their houses and then then decided two weeks before Christmas they wanted to be in for the holidays.

            Damn man I cant count how many times I've worked on a house and all was well doing things right/proper up until the HOLIDAYS came and all of a sudden you got's to hussle your azz up cause the new HO'ers got to be in for the holidays!

            Sometimes you have to wonder whats more important, showing off the house for the holidays or getting it built right. Maybe thats  why your building sup was taking all those short cuts, he thought you wanted in for the HOLIDAYS, he was just doing you a favor!

            Doug

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            Gunner | Nov 16, 2007 03:10pm | #531

                When I was talking to his boss he told me the big problem they had with him was he would dragg Azz on a house until it was due to be done then want to get all his subs in in the last two weeks to wrap it up. The guy doesn't know how to pace himself.

             

            . "Chuck. Chuck. It's Marvin - your cousin, Marvin BERRY. You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this."

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=229QkXMvdc0

          284. DougU | Nov 16, 2007 04:32pm | #532

            The guy doesn't know how to pace himself.

            Imagine his wifes disapointment!

            Doug

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            Matt | Nov 19, 2007 01:46am | #533

            >> You going to be in for the Holidays? <<

            Leme see.... they started around July, here it is 4 months later and by Gunners post they should be almost done with the drywall....  I look at drywall as roughly the 1/2 way point....

          286. dovetail97128 | Nov 19, 2007 02:33am | #534

            Probably be all done and ready for move in for Thanksgiving if it weren't for the damn meddler of an owner. Guy just can't quit making an issue out of little things. ;-)
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

          287. seeyou | Nov 19, 2007 02:49am | #535

            ready for move in for Thanksgiving if it weren't for the damn meddler of an owner.

            Ha, ya beat me to it.

             http://grantlogan.net/

             

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          288. dovetail97128 | Nov 19, 2007 05:13am | #540

            And ain't he gonna be pissed when he discover he has to pay the extra interest on the construction loan when it takes 12 months to build instead of the 4 it should have.
            ;-)
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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            Gunner | Nov 19, 2007 03:57am | #536

               Snork. Building it right the second time killed the schedule. :)

               I haven't been over there this weekend. I got up Friday morning and went to work at 7:00 in Missouri worked until 3:00 there. Drove to Louisville and then worked on a remodel until 4:00 a.m. I laid around yesterday. Got some painting done. Was going to go over this morning but didn't get up until 10:30. That killed my schedule for today to.

               The wife did stop over there earlier this week and took some pics of the drywall. It's up and waiting on the finishers.

             

            . "Chuck. Chuck. It's Marvin - your cousin, Marvin BERRY. You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

          290. rez | Nov 19, 2007 05:05am | #537

             I haven't been over there this weekend.... I laid around yesterday. Got some painting done. Was going to go over this morning but didn't get up until 10:30. That killed my schedule for today to.

            after what all you'd found going on there before???

            be bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

             

            Edited 11/18/2007 9:06 pm ET by rez

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            Gunner | Nov 19, 2007 05:09am | #538

                They haven't done much. They had the drywall mostly up this last weekend. Since the old Super got moved off I feel a little more trusting anyway. (I don't know why) Four day weekend coming up. I've got plenty of time to go everything with a fine tooth comb. :)

             

            . "Chuck. Chuck. It's Marvin - your cousin, Marvin BERRY. You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

          292. Shep | Nov 19, 2007 05:11am | #539

            And if I remember right, Gunner's going to do his own interior trim.

            So his house should be done, like,

            never.

            LOL

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            Gunner | Nov 19, 2007 05:28am | #541

               HAH! Your not keeping up. I got a little smart there. Their trim guy does decent work so he's going to do the basic trim package. I'll do the rest. Which will get done in like never. LOL

             

            . "Chuck. Chuck. It's Marvin - your cousin, Marvin BERRY. You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

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            Matt | Nov 19, 2007 02:48pm | #542

            Regarding you doing some of the trim, I'm being serious when I tell you that this company is being very nice to you by letting you work on the house.  I've had some bad experiences allowing that so I try to avoid it.  When I say bad experiences what I mean is that HO's didn't have much regard for my building schedule, caused me/my subs extra work by leaving loose ends, and then there is always the insurance question...

            OTOH, I do like a house with a lot of trim in it.  For example, I've got 5 piece crown in our own living room.  If you want to discuss it further we can add another month to your project :-)

            Edited 11/19/2007 6:48 am ET by Matt

          295. seeyou | Nov 19, 2007 03:25pm | #543

            HO's didn't have much regard for my building schedule,

            I've got an addition roof that's been setting open for 7 weeks right now, because the GC let the HO hire his own electrician. The weatherhead needs to be moved so the framing can be finished. The electrician is a no show and the GC's hands are tied.http://grantlogan.net/

             

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          296. Piffin | Nov 19, 2007 04:09pm | #544

            LOL, I know him. that electrician sure doesn't get around! 

             

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          297. JohnT8 | Nov 29, 2007 08:35pm | #551

            The electrician is a no show and the GC's hands are tied.

            You're too far away, otherwise I'd send you the electrician I found a few weeks back.  Showed up on time for the first visit, had a number to me via phone within 3 hours.  From when I was ready to pull the trigger, he got me scheduled in within a week.  The workers showed up on time.  They got in and got the work done and moved on to their next job.  Real clean looking work, they even cleaned up after themselves, and even though his bid was comparable to the others, he must have bid a little high on labor, because he had them do some  extra stuff which probably saved me 3 or 4 hours of labor (my own time).  I was amazed at the level of service...half expected him to come in over bid, but he didn't.

              jt8

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          298. seeyou | Nov 29, 2007 09:47pm | #552

            Makes you appreciate the good ones.

            Funny thing. We restarted on the job in question today.http://grantlogan.net/

             

            It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. - J. Handey

          299. JohnT8 | Nov 29, 2007 10:00pm | #553

            Makes you appreciate the good ones.

            Damn right.  I've scanned his card. When someone asks me for an electrician in this area, I'll email or print the scan for them (easier than keeping track of a pile of business cards).  Gotta keep good workers in business.  They are freaking gold. 

             

             jt8

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            BossHog | Nov 29, 2007 10:40pm | #554

            Who's the electrician?
            The strong take from the week, the rich take from the poor, and the government takes from everyone.

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            Gunner | Nov 20, 2007 06:45am | #546

                My part will be done after we close. I did all my home automation and alarm wiring in between their subs. the only trim I'm planning on adding is Crown in the bedroom and maybe formal dining room. I've decided that I don't want to go too crazy with the trim. Keep it in perspective with the size and style of the house.

             

            . "Chuck. Chuck. It's Marvin - your cousin, Marvin BERRY. You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

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            Matt | Nov 20, 2007 03:22pm | #547

            >> I've decided that I don't want to go too crazy with the trim. <<  Everybody's got their own thing.   Sounds like the low volatge stuff is one of yours.   

            >> Keep it in perspective with the size and style of the house.  <<  That's smart.  Many people I see adding "features" that just don't fit with  the size and style of the house at all.  Generally, we give people whatever they are willing to pay for.

          303. rez | Nov 29, 2007 06:42pm | #548

            "Breaker Breaker 19, you got yer ears on there, Capatin?"

            be likea what'sa the latest on that there new deal yous gots goin' on?

             

            Edited 11/29/2007 10:44 am ET by rez

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            Gunner | Nov 30, 2007 04:41pm | #555

               Not too much. The new super officially took over a couple of days ago. We finally reached an agreement on the duct work in the basement. They said they can move the return over to the other side of the beam. That gives me a good two and a have to three feet back. The rest of the duct is hugging the beam.

               The drywall is done. We wanted two ceilings left smooth they textured all of them. I guess that was a parting gift from the old super. They are going to fix it. Everyone acts like smooth ceilings are a huge deal. And I know it's harder to do smooth versus textured. But there is no reason it can't get done right, and look good.  I bumped into a guy that works for the drywall contractor. He told me they get a lot of call backs on smooth ceilings. He said people don't understand that it's impossible to get them to look good. I chuckled and said. "Your going to spend a lot of time here then, because they will look good." He just shrugged his shoulders.

               I think that's about it. They do have the yard graded and look like they are ready to pour the sidewalks. I sent the super super an Email stressing the importance of getting the top of the sidewalk below the weepholes on the foundation. I felt I better bite that in the Azz before they screw that up seeing as how they never pay attention on any other house.

             

             

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          305. Piffin | Dec 01, 2007 03:08am | #559

            You want pictures of smooth ceilings that look good? 

             

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            Gunner | Dec 01, 2007 05:12am | #561

               Yea send me some. The Super Super made the same comment. I gave him the same answer I gave the drywall guy. They hate doing smooth ceilings. In fact I had to pay something like $1,200.00 extra to get the two rooms smooth.

              I guess it's a regional thing because I don't recall seeing anything but smooth in the North East. My wife has mad ehte same comment.

             

             

             "You can't roller skate in a Buffalo herd." Roger Miller

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          307. Piffin | Dec 01, 2007 05:57am | #563

            OK, tomorrow. They are on the other machine 

             

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          308. DougU | Dec 02, 2007 02:33am | #564

            Funny thing about "smooth ceilings is that they are not all that difficult to do!

            And yea, if you go up on a ladder and look across the ceiling you'll see waves in them but they dont show up when your standing in the room, provided that they arnt waves from The Perfect Storm!

            I hate texture on any walls or ceilings!

            Doug

          309. Piffin | Dec 02, 2007 03:18am | #565

            be back with more from another job or two 

             

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          310. Piffin | Dec 02, 2007 03:42am | #566

            It was interesting looking through old files. I have never tried to shoot a ceiling photo, buit had some. none do justice to how good one can look when done well.All the finishers I have ever worked with consider it fine work. The ones who think it is hard have just never done it, and may not have the ambition or skill set. It is way easy to just bed and tape then blow accoustic to hide the mess. 

             

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            Gunner | Dec 02, 2007 04:42am | #568

               Thanks man. Textured ceilings here are rolled on with a rough roller. I agree with you on the smooth ceiling. It looks much better. I think the problem here is they just finish the taped joints then paint. I think in your neck of the woods they they float the whole ceiling. It has to be easier and look better that way.

             

             

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            BillHartmann | Dec 02, 2007 05:21am | #569

            A couple of weeks ago I was working on a 70's tract house doing some LONG LONG LONG neglected problems. So that it could be put on the market. Still a ton of work to be done.Not sure of all of the all of the details of what happened. But I think that some of it was caused by roof leaking and some by a kid playing the the shower nozzel and while the father was out of home.The whole house was textured. A bad knock down on the walls. And you could still see some fo the DW seams.And all of the ceiling had popcorn texture.One of the repairs was a water damaged ceiling in the bathroom. I was going to patch the flaking ceiling. But I started scapping to find "solid" material and 30 minutes later the whole thing was off.So I just decided that I would skim coat it and leave it "flat".Actually the ceiling had dropped so much that in some places I had hard time getting 2" screws to grap into the joist. And often where it did the the DW was so soft that they wanted to just pull through.So I skim coated it and it looked like a million bucks.Granted this was a small area and the light was not good.But poor flat area can look good..
            .
            A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

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            JeffBuck | Dec 02, 2007 07:13am | #570

            tell them you'll pay the upgrade for a level 5 finish on the ceilings.

             

            that way ... if U get what U pay for ... they're forced to skim the whole lid.

             

            Jeff    Buck Construction

             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

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            Gunner | Dec 02, 2007 07:18am | #571

               Level 5? You inventing stuff again? I don't know what that is but I can speak for them and feel confident that they say. "HUH" LOL

             

             

              We do not inherit the earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our children. Native American Proverb

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            JeffBuck | Dec 02, 2007 07:21am | #572

            gotta be somewhere on the net.

             

            drywall finishes are officially graded on a scale ...

            levels 1 thru 5.

             

            I'm certainly no expert ... but do know most residential qualify for between a 3 and 4 ... moving the official spec's up to a level 5 means the whole deal gets skimcoated and sanded smooth.

             

            I'll see if there's some nat drywall institute or something like that out there.

            Jeff    Buck Construction

             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

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            Gunner | Dec 02, 2007 07:23am | #574

              Thanks for the help. Google Biatch. :)

             

             

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            JeffBuck | Dec 02, 2007 07:28am | #576

            the new Super is gonna love you!

             

            just toss this one at them ... all casual like.

            ask if they got a crew that does more commercial ... so they'll be more familiar with a level 5 .... then watch his reaction!

             

            Jeff    Buck Construction

             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

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            Gunner | Dec 02, 2007 07:41am | #577

               I'll just mumble it like it's talked about everyday.

             

             

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          319. Piffin | Dec 02, 2007 08:39am | #580

            Shoot, Level Five is what we do all the time and I'd say, "Hunh?";)Thanks for a new word, Jeff 

             

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            CloudHidden | Dec 06, 2007 12:11am | #581

            Pass a house each day that made me think of your project. Framed, osb sheathing, roof on, some doors and windows. Has had tyvek on just the front side for about a month while it sits without any further work. The tyvek is cut flush to the corners, not wrapped even 1/4".Today a crew was there. It's the masons, and they're bricking the front. Corners still not wrapped, and no longer possible. Probably siding on the other three faces, and the corners will stay unwrapped, I guess.###Pass another house, many years old. Crew's rehabbing it. Strip off the old siding and tar paper. Put fresh tyvek everywhere, including OVER a coupla windows. Install a few new windows. It sits or several weeks that way. Today the tyvek's gone, most of the sheathing's gone, and most of the roof's gone. Gonna be a teardown, I guess. Wonder at the story behind that...

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            Gunner | Dec 06, 2007 01:33am | #582

            "Wonder at the story behind that."

               The first one the guy wasn't anything like me. The second one could be related to me. :)

             

             

             

              We do not inherit the earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our children. Native American Proverb

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

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            CloudHidden | Dec 06, 2007 01:39am | #583

            Yours is a veritable piece of cake compared to the looks of the first...sat open to the elements for a month or two, and now will be covered without any functional moisture barrier. And the owners will likely have no idea. Never paid attention to tyvek before this thread, because we don't use it on anything I've worked with. But the thread sensitized me to the material and its uses/misuses.

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            Gunner | Dec 06, 2007 02:02am | #584

                 Yea that's bad when people buy stuff like that ad don't have a clue.

             

             

              We do not inherit the earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our children. Native American Proverb

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

          324. seeyou | Dec 06, 2007 03:20am | #585

            Never paid attention to tyvek before this thread, because we don't use it on anything I've worked with.

            I'm noticing more and more that the builders we work for are starting to migrate back to felt. New houses are mostly getting Tyvek (I saw a lot of Typar for a while, but seldom see it anymore), but additions are usually getting felt. Openings are getting the hell detailed out of them with the sticky stuff before and after the windows and doors go in whether it's wrap or felt. The GCs are insisting that step flashings go under the wrap or felt (as they rightly should) and that any tears get taped. We're getting less and less callbacks for leaks around windows (which aren't our problem, but if water's coming in the house, call the roofer) due to this dilligence. http://grantlogan.net/

             

            It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. - J. Handey

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            Gunner | Dec 06, 2007 03:55am | #586

               I'm starting a trend among builders. :)

             

             

              We do not inherit the earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our children. Native American Proverb

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

          326. seeyou | Dec 06, 2007 04:15am | #587

            Like I've said before, most of the guys I work around catch on quick. There are a few that have to make a mistake about 20 times before they see the light. I've got one ahole I'm dealing with that's building a million+ dollar house off a bootleg set of plans that the home owner stole from somewhere. It's getting a tile roof and the tile manufacturer wants a set of plans to check my take off (my first time with this brand of tile and I appreciate them looking over my shoulder. They're trying to make my experience with them good. They want me to have enough tile, but not buy way too much) and the builder can't let them have a set, so I'm charging for extra material just so I don't run short and have to wait two weeks.  Spend a dollar saving a dime.http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Dec 26, 2007 03:52am | #588

               Took the dog over today to have a look around. Nothings changed much since the last time I was there. I think they've been piling on the houses that they have a chance of getting done and closed before Christmas and the end of the fiscal year.

               I did take a few pictures. I don't think I've posted any since the drywall went up so here. With the walls closed up it's harder to get good pictures of a whole room so I did the best I could. The place is getting smaller with the drywall up.

            Here's the shop area.

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             Foyer area. The room behind it is the formal dining room.

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            Looking at the kitchen from the great room.

             

             

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            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

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            Gunner | Dec 26, 2007 04:02am | #589

              Looking from the kitchen to the great room.

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            Looking up the stairs.

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            looking down the stairs.

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            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

          329. rez | Dec 26, 2007 04:13am | #590

            You got a cold air return up there by the top of the stairs?sobriety is the root cause of dementia.   

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            Gunner | Dec 26, 2007 04:16am | #592

               I think your looking at the recessed stair lighting. I put that in myself. When the lighting is complete the stair lighting will come on dim for pathway lighting if someone walks out into the hallway. So will the under cabinet lighting in the kitchen. I'm thinking of guest making a midnight snack run.

             

             

            "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." Dan Quayle.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

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            Gunner | Dec 26, 2007 04:28am | #593

               And finaly. The electrical and data runs. I had to nail up a piece of plywood last weekend for the electrician to mount the panel too. I didn't want them to recess it. I've got a data distribution panel I'm going to use for that stuff. It's all going to spread out on that wall nice and neat. Alarm, automation, and home stereo. We are also going to use this area for treadmill and weights.

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            I should have brightened this picture up but it's where the heavy bag and mats are going.

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             There is one more of the front. I forgot to downsize it before I uploaded it. So I'm going to leave it un pasted. I don't want to smoke the dial uppers modems.

             

             

            "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." Dan Quayle.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

          332. rez | Dec 26, 2007 04:37am | #594

            Was just wondering with the room at the bottom of the stairs as buddy had built a new home with a similar centered interior staircase and ended up with a cold air current running down the stairs.

             Inadvertently had made some type of wind river running there hitting him in the head as he sat on the couch.

            sobriety is the root cause of dementia.   

            Edited 12/25/2007 8:38 pm ET by rez

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            Gunner | Dec 26, 2007 04:41am | #595

               That would suck. I've got a seperate furnace and AC for each the upstairs and downstairs.

             

             

            "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." Dan Quayle.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

          334. rez | Dec 26, 2007 05:06am | #596

            the jazz

             sobriety is the root cause of dementia.   

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            Gunner | Dec 26, 2007 05:29am | #599

               Yea but the one that covers the main floor also covers the basement and that's the smallest furnace I've ever seen.

             

             

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            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

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            G80104 | Dec 29, 2007 07:02am | #600

            Just wonder why they don't install floor coverings (except Carpet) before baseboard? Much cleaner look & no need for shoe base, trim guy is out once, that's how we do here in the Big City!  Do they also require a drywall screw inspection? Seems their a little lite on screws?

             Other then the above, looks like you can see the light at the end of the New payment Book!

                Happy New Year!

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            JeffBuck | Dec 29, 2007 12:24pm | #601

            "no need for shoe base"

             

            'cause hard surfaces always need shoe!

            ain't dressed without yer shoes ...

            Jeff    Buck Construction

             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

          338. JHOLE | Dec 29, 2007 04:25pm | #603

            " ain't dressed without yer shoes ..."

            Make sure they match your purse Jeff.

            Don't want people questioning your fashion sence.

            Just tryin' to help out, you can have that one for free - J

             

            ;)Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

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            JeffBuck | Dec 30, 2007 12:20pm | #618

            back from a party tonight.

            my BIL bought the latest UFC ...

            so ... we went.

             

            my neice ... has a baby girl similar age as our Hannah .. she's a coupla months older.

            so ... Corey, being the best big brother in the world ... was in charge of the 2 baby girls. Hannah is just starting to walk ... and Baby Kayle is a master ... so that's the best thing in the world to Corey!

             

            so we're at Aunt Dawn's ... watching her grandbaby Kayle ...

            and at one point ... Corey comes out of the back room ...

            mid fights ...

            with a pink purse hanging from his arm!

             

            he was playing with the girls in the back room.

             

            now ... Uncle Dave ... the host of the party ... is 6ft 6 of solid Biker!

            and the rest of the guests were all his biker buds.

             

            my nephew point out the purse  ... and I laugh ... and add ...

            "takes a real man to carry a purse thru this crowd!" ...

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             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

          340. JHOLE | Dec 30, 2007 01:32pm | #619

            Did it match his pumps? ;)Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

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            JeffBuck | Dec 31, 2007 07:54am | #631

            Did it match his pumps? ;)

             

            of course ...

            otherwise he'da look silly.

             

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             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

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            IMERC | Dec 29, 2007 12:39pm | #602

            but you have DIA screws and no one else has... 

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            G80104 | Dec 29, 2007 04:50pm | #604

            Shh!

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            Gunner | Dec 29, 2007 04:54pm | #605

                These guys are a decade or two back as far as trends and practices go. I did the shoe less base in my kitchen when I redid the floor and like it. I don't see it done at all around here so to be fair it not common. And I didn't even think of it on the new house. If I had, then I probably would have done it. I'm liking the look of minimal trim so far.

             

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          345. Piffin | Dec 29, 2007 04:59pm | #606

            I almost never use a shoe. That is only there to cover up gaps left when making chaanges to plan or to original 

             

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            Gunner | Dec 29, 2007 05:09pm | #607

               I think people are so used to seeing it that they don't even think about it anymore they think it's supposed to be there.

             

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          347. dovetail97128 | Dec 29, 2007 07:44pm | #609

            Piffin, No shoe even over hardwood or tile floors? Scribe and fit all the base to the floor then ?
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

          348. Piffin | Dec 30, 2007 12:42am | #614

            Yes. It really isn't that hard. I'd have to say easier than needing the whole extra step of running shoe 

             

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          349. DougU | Dec 30, 2007 06:35am | #615

            No shoe even over hardwood or tile floors?

            I'm seeing that more and more and I'm actually starting to like the "no shoe" look.

            I work for a guy that likes to put shoe around toe kick and I really dont care for that.

            My house has shoe everywhere, including the carpeted areas, that just plain looks wrong!

            Doug

          350. Piffin | Dec 30, 2007 08:13am | #616

            shoe over carpet!
            Bad as socks to bed;) 

             

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            Gunner | Dec 30, 2007 08:53am | #617

                The house I live in now had it. I bought it back in January of 91. After one weekend of looking at it I ripped all the carpet up. Found harwood all the way under it. The stupid nail holes are still visible if you know where to look for them.

             

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          352. DougU | Dec 30, 2007 06:21pm | #620

            After one weekend of looking at it I ripped all the carpet up. Found harwood all the way under it.

            Same here! Oak flooring everywhere there is carpet. The nail holes from the tack strip are visable but if anybody complains about them they get shown the door! And the dumb azzes had base shoe everywhere there was carpet, looks goofy.

            Doug

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            Gunner | Dec 30, 2007 06:29pm | #622

                  Mine had the shoe molding over the carpet too. Pretty goofy looking.  The majority of my nail holes from the tack strip I covered up with quarter round.

             

              It's hard out here for a Pimp.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

            Edited 12/30/2007 10:30 am ET by Gunner

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            Luka | Dec 30, 2007 08:45pm | #623

            So yer saying you covered the nailholes with... Shoe moulding.;o)


            A man, convinced against his will... Is of his own opinion, still. ~Anne McCaffrey

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            Huck | Dec 30, 2007 09:26pm | #624

            was thinking the same thing....View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com

          356. MisterT | Dec 31, 2007 12:32am | #625

            If you laid baseboard flat it would prolly cover ALL the nail holes..
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            Gunner | Dec 31, 2007 12:47am | #626

               I could lay the baseboard flat and then the shoemolding on top against the wall. Finish up the Alice in Wonderland effect.

             

              It's hard out here for a Pimp.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            Luka | Dec 31, 2007 12:53am | #627

            If you've got baseboard heaters, you'll have to flip those suckers around and lay them down flat, too.


            A man, convinced against his will... Is of his own opinion, still. ~Anne McCaffrey

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            Gunner | Dec 31, 2007 01:12am | #628

                All the vents are in the floor. I guess they have to go up on the wall now.

             

              It's hard out here for a Pimp.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          360. dovetail97128 | Dec 31, 2007 01:15am | #629

            Carpet padded walls as well? Oops wrong place . Well maybe not . ;-)
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

          361. MisterT | Dec 31, 2007 02:36am | #630

            How does base shoe look with orange shag carpet???.
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          362. DougU | Dec 30, 2007 06:28pm | #621

            shoe over carpet!

            In all fairness, the house has hardwood flooring everywhere, of course base shoe to go with it. At some point they wanted to carpet the place and they just held the tack strip short of the base shoe and laid their carpet.

            Looks funny!

            Maybe the carpet installer didn't want to bother  taking up the base shoe, don't know but its goofy looking. The shoe is actually down on the floor where it goes for base, not up on top of the carpet where one would think it should be if one were so inclined to add shoe to carpet!

            I gutted a room in the upstairs of our house yesterday, I wanted to leave the  carpet down to protect the woodfloors from the lathe and plaster, hard as hell to take up shoe mouldings with tack strip in front of it!

            I guess it takes all kinds :)

            Doug

          363. dovetail97128 | Dec 29, 2007 07:43pm | #608

            Gunner,
            Your pic of the handrail going up the stairs. That wouldn't fly here and you may want to check with the BI. here it has to be continuous (no breaks at all) which means on the left in the picture from the bottom of the stairs the dead end into the wall would have to be changed. Here the only time you don't have to have the continuous is when you have post to post handrails.
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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            Gunner | Dec 29, 2007 08:05pm | #610

                In the Tyvek thread I talked about meeting with the BI at the house and going through everything. He made a note on my file to go over everything with a fine tooth comb on every inspection. And then after I pointed out to him that ACQ required hot dip galvanized or stainless nails only and he looked it up and found that it was indeed code, he went and tagged all of the houses the builder had roughed. And they have several subdivisions going. That was probably my biggest impact in the building world this past year. LOL

             

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          365. dovetail97128 | Dec 29, 2007 08:24pm | #611

            Handrail being continuous may be one that falls into local interpretation of the meaning. But... better to find out now then at the final when all is finished and painted. .
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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            Gunner | Dec 29, 2007 08:47pm | #612

               I actually went back and looked at the picture this time and I see your point. Loud and clear. This is exactly why I love this place.

               I'm going to try and meet with the new Super Monday to go over some things and I'll bring that up. I can see a big problem coming up for someone that needs those handrails to steady themselves going up and down the stairs. Especially since my office is going up there. It's entirely possible that I might go up there sober and come back down drunk.

             

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            Matt | Jan 01, 2008 07:53pm | #634

            Continuous handrail at the point they are talking about definitely is a matter of local interpretation.  The code we use says it, but none of the local jurisdictions that I work in require it.  Have had inspectors say the 2 pieces didn't meet close enough together, but that's about it.  If you want some pics to further explain, let me know and I'll dig some up. 

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            Gunner | Jan 01, 2008 08:01pm | #636

               Nah I know what your talking about. I need to take a shower and ride over there. Maybe I can catch the super and talk to him about the quarter.

             

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          369. rez | Jan 09, 2008 03:46am | #637

            well, no news must be good news.Peace out.

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            Gunner | Jan 09, 2008 04:29am | #638

                Actualy There is news. Ordered the deck package today.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            JeffBuck | Jan 09, 2008 07:29am | #639

            when's the proposed move in date?

             

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                 Pittsburgh Pa

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            Gunner | Jan 09, 2008 02:45pm | #642

                 Don't have one yet. No big hurry.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            JeffBuck | Jan 09, 2008 07:30am | #640

            I just wanna know when to start looking for the ...

            "Guess what fell off the wall today" thread.

             

            Thanks,

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             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

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            Gunner | Jan 09, 2008 02:46pm | #643

               LMAO Hey I'll be in Steubenville next week and the week after.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            JeffBuck | Jan 09, 2008 06:38pm | #644

            have lunch meeting ....

            should have time afterwards to call Joe and see if the Kamakizi is still open.

             

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             Artistry In Carpentry

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            Gunner | Jan 10, 2008 02:20am | #646

                I'm there.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          377. seeyou | Dec 26, 2007 05:07am | #597

            It's starting to look like a house. I'd been wondering about the progress. I've forgotten. Are you gonna trim it or is somebody else?http://grantlogan.net/

             

            My mother once said to me, "Elwood" -- she always called me Elwood -- "Elwood, in this world you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." For years I tried smart. I recommend pleasant.

            Elwood P. Dowde (James Stewart), "Harvey"

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            Gunner | Dec 26, 2007 05:26am | #598

                I was going to trim it all. Then I saw how they trimmed my sisters house and said if they use that guy on mine then he can do it. The guy does good work. Only flaw is he butt cuts all of his exposed ends. I'm going to do the crown in the master and probably beams on the two vaulted ceilings. And the quarter round. Unless he agrees to do returns on the ends. He doesn't even cut a 22 degree on the ends of his quarter round or exposed ends. It would drive me insane to have to look at that.

             

             

            "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." Dan Quayle.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

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            Matt | Jan 01, 2008 07:29pm | #632

            >> Only flaw is he butt cuts all of his exposed ends. <<  I had some guys on an apartment complex job that were doing that.  What I told them was:  "Butt cuts are butt ugly - and that's all you need to know".  Then they joked back some stuff about Norm Abrams isn't on the job.  I told 'em that if Norm were here he would be glueing all his joints.  That shut 'em up :-)  They were actually pretty good carps - but it was a low bid rental apartment job so what can one expect.  After that they started doing 22.5 degree miters rather than just butt cuts.

            Really though, trim carps I use for houses charge mostly by the cut so if I want some extra miters, etc they just add a few bucks per cut depending on what kind of trim it is.  Personally, I want everything returned and like the look of 22.5 degree returns in many situations.  My point is that it would seem like he would be happy to do it for some additional $$.

             

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            Gunner | Jan 01, 2008 07:52pm | #633

                I wouldn't be surprised if the guy didn't know the difference. Aparantley nobody else does. When I say returns I'm talking about capping the ends off. No exposed end grains. I'll try to post a pic later of what I'm talking about.

             

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            Matt | Jan 01, 2008 07:54pm | #635

            I know exactly what you are talking about.  No pics necessary for me.

            Edited 1/1/2008 11:54 am ET by Matt

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            Gunner | Dec 26, 2007 04:13am | #591

               Mud room/laundry room.We are going with hardwood on the ground floor except for this room and the master bedroom. Vinyl here, and carpet in the bedroom.

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            Coffin tray in the master. This is one of the rooms they had to go back and smooth the ceiling out on. It turned out nice. The disco ball is going dead center.

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              The bonus room. I still haven't figured ou exactly how I want to tackle this room. I'm thinking part game room part media room. This picture doesn't do a good job of showing the actual size. Sun was pouring into the window too much to get a good shot.

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            "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." Dan Quayle.

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            user-246028 | Jan 09, 2008 08:37am | #641

            Slick lookin' pad Gunner!

            Might I suggest a ceiling mounted sound system in the game room. I've seen that before and it's awesome. The speakers seem to disappear into the ceiling. My client had the whole works wired into their computer. They had a similar ceiling to your play room. They also had speakers through the whole house and exterior speakers in the back yard. All controlled from their computer.

            DaveTo borrow a saying from a great and wise BT'er ...."There is more to life than just money and nails!"

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            Gunner | Jan 10, 2008 02:16am | #645

                Thanks.

                I'm going to run mine through my computer too. I saw some speakers that mount behind the drywall. I'm going to check into them before I finish the bonus room.

               The electronics is something I really want to trick out.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            user-246028 | Jan 10, 2008 03:17am | #647

            Might I also suggest a TV projector, power window shades that will block out all light and you have an instant home theater. Total man zone!!!!!!!! Can I come hang out with you?

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            Gunner | Jan 10, 2008 03:24am | #648

                There is going to be a media room. Have you read the posts about the home automation stuff I'm going to do? If you don't want to go back through it let me know and I'll tell you the good parts.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            user-246028 | Jan 10, 2008 04:54am | #649

            I should lend you my electrician. He's a wiz with all that stuff. Residential/Commercial electrical, security systems, automated homes, and of course ..............visual/audio systems. He's amazing! I won't use anyone else.

            Seriously though, it probably wouldn't take much of a push to get him to come up with an excuse for his wife to go on a road trip.

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            Gunner | Jan 10, 2008 05:10am | #650

                Let me introduce myself :) I am an electrician. One of the companies in our fold does all that stuff. I can get my hands on about anything I want. I'm getting a heck of a deal on a home automation lighting system. I also do alarms, and CCTV.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            user-246028 | Jan 10, 2008 06:04am | #651

            LOL, .................I take that back. You can't have my electrician.    LOL

            ......I still want to hang out with you after it's done! LOL

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            Gunner | Jan 10, 2008 06:09am | #652

               Come on down. We are going to have a big time at the house warming this spring. Everyones invited.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          391. andyfew322 | Jan 10, 2008 06:11am | #653

            why don't you have the fest there? 

            "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail"

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            Gunner | Jan 10, 2008 06:18am | #654

               Don't get that started again. LOL Seeyou would love it. Maybe in a year or two. Not this year though. I'd like the house warming about Derby time. Make it a double header for out of towners.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          393. seeyou | Jan 10, 2008 03:24pm | #656

            I'd like the house warming about Derby time.

            I like where this is going.http://grantlogan.net/

             

            My mother once said to me, "Elwood" -- she always called me Elwood -- "Elwood, in this world you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." For years I tried smart. I recommend pleasant.

            Elwood P. Dowde (James Stewart), "Harvey"

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            Gunner | Jan 11, 2008 03:20am | #660

                It'll be a good time. You have to come. 

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            Gunner | Jan 19, 2008 08:22pm | #662

                My sister and her husband got moved into their house last weekend. They are freezing their tooshes off. Different Heating and air guy then our house. But they are lacking some serious BTU's either that or not enough vents. They forgot to put a vent in the master bathroom so that's one problem. I'm kind of anxious to get my electric turned on now so I can see how the furnace does with these cold temps. I don't think it's going to be able to handle it. For one it's awful small and for another they put it all the way at the end of the basement. I can't see it being able to pump the heat to the great room.

               Last night we also walked through the other house in our subdivision with our floor plan.  They are closing next week. We wanted to get to see what the final product is going to look like. I almost had a fricking stroke when I walked in the spare bedroom. Right in the middle of the only full wall they put an attic access panel! I guess that's where the old super thought it should be. My sister said the homeowner accepted it. I couldn't believe it. She was like. "Well I guess that's the only place they could put it." I asked her why they couldn't put it in a closet? she gave me that light bulb smile. Man there is just no thought involved there at all. They just show up with a bag of pot and some tools and do stuff all day.

               Anyway. That's my report for this week. LOL

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          396. dovetail97128 | Jan 19, 2008 08:38pm | #663

            Gunner, MB. heat : Possible that it was a intended toe kick vent that got covered with the vanity and forgotten? Wouldn't be the first time. Last job I supered ( I took over 1/2 way through the job and was never given any info on heating layout so didn't know to look for them) the carps covered 6 heat vents with underlayment, flooring guys then laid flooring right over the that. Wondered why the house was cold during the finish stages.
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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            Gunner | Jan 19, 2008 08:44pm | #664

               I can see how it can happen.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          398. seeyou | Jan 19, 2008 08:58pm | #665

            They are freezing their tooshes off.

            Is it a heat pump? http://grantlogan.net/

             

            "Because I really want to live in a country where the poor people are fat. "- Unidentified Indian Immigrant when asked why he wants to come to America

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            Gunner | Jan 19, 2008 09:09pm | #666

                 Nope regular furnace.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          400. Shep | Jan 19, 2008 09:31pm | #667

            Its amazing to me how so many people will research to death their car, or TV, or even a coffee maker, but take very little interest in how their house is put together.

            I know its not because the construction profession has such a glowing reputation.

            Simple things like that attic access door could be made so much more appealing with just a little input from the HO, as well as common sense from the builder

          401. calvin | Jan 19, 2008 11:42pm | #668

            as well as common sense from the builder

            There you go.  Now you went and spilled the beans.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.

            Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

            http://www.quittintime.com/

             

          402. seeyou | Jan 19, 2008 11:50pm | #669

            Its amazing to me how so many people will research to death their car, or TV, or even a coffee maker, but take very little interest in how their house is put together.

            I guess that's why we're in the business we're in. I find the mechanics of shelter fascinating.http://grantlogan.net/

             

            "Because I really want to live in a country where the poor people are fat. "- Unidentified Indian Immigrant when asked why he wants to come to America

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            Gunner | Jan 20, 2008 05:02am | #670

                They didn't get involved in their house like I have mine. And it shows. The guy that was the super on mine also was the super on theirs. He's just a simple minded idiot. Who the heck would even dream of doing something like that?

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            Matt | Jan 20, 2008 05:08am | #671

            >> Right in the middle of the only full wall they put an attic access panel! I guess that's where the old super thought it should be. ... I asked her why they couldn't put it in a closet? <<

            Doesn't sound like they located it very well, but let me add that the IRC says that the attic access must be in an easily accessible location.  They won't let us put them in closets, etc.  Not sure what code,  etc you all use...

            BTW - what stage is the house at now?  I see you said the power isn't on yet... Trim-outs still in porcess?

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            Gunner | Jan 20, 2008 06:01am | #672

               It's painted and trimmed. There's quite a bit left actualy. Floors, electric, finish the plumbing, pour sidewalks, landscape.

               We got a bite on our current house the other day. Might turn into something good. The gentleman is the brother of the widow that lives across the street. He's got a small farm outside of town. He's tired of the country living and wants to move into town. It would be a good house for him. He said he wants to get a closer look this week sometime.

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            Gunner | Feb 09, 2008 07:54am | #673

                The wife stopped by on her way home from work tonight and snap some pics of the cabinets and counter tops.

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            "I wonder if Heaven got a Ghetto."  Tupac

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            Sphere | Feb 09, 2008 04:39pm | #674

            Who stole the carpet?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

            "Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"

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            Gunner | Feb 09, 2008 05:34pm | #676

               That was an extra I didn't feel we needed. :)

             

             

             

             

            "I wonder if Heaven got a Ghetto."  Tupac

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            Matt | Feb 09, 2008 04:57pm | #675

            I really like the color combination between the granite and the cabs.

             

            Seems odd that the trim guy would do the stair rails part way and then roll up and leave...  Are the balusters going to be painted or what?

            Looks like the rest of the regular house trim is painted...  Is that is what's in style there?  I thought it was all stained in that part of the country?  Here, most everything is painted, except the stairs would be similar to yours, and maybe in a high dollar house a library might be all done out in cherry or something...

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            Gunner | Feb 09, 2008 05:53pm | #677

               My wife picked the granite out without my help. Whatever we picked out originally was discontinued. That's been the case with a lot of stuff. Anyway she had to make a decision and I was gone. I thought it went well. My sister told her the other day that they called her a month or so ago and told her that the cabinets had been discontinued. She blew a gasket and told them that they had better come up with a set no ifs and or buts. It was a pretty difficult task to mix and match all the colors and styles. And then it seemed one by one stuff that we picked out was getting discontinued. The carpet and other flooring was a real pain in the Azz for that. Anyway they saw the light and brought them back into production. They do a boat load of business with them and she can pull the right strings to make sure they either keep it or lose it. She's as bad as I am when she's had enough. 

             Painted trim is pretty much the norm here. I also think it looks better on my type of house.  The trim guy left the spindles out to make it easier on the painter. I don't know if I've posted pictures of the paint job. I'll have to check. The painters we used were pretty good.

             

             

             

             

            "I wonder if Heaven got a Ghetto."  Tupac

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          411. Shep | Feb 09, 2008 07:02pm | #678

            Lookin' good!

            I bet you'd be done in time to host the Fest this year. It's a good thing Doud's already got dibs on it. Last thing you need right now is for a bunch of drunken BTers critisizing everything on your new digs.

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            Gunner | Feb 09, 2008 08:21pm | #679

                 Next year maybe.

             

             

             

             

            "I wonder if Heaven got a Ghetto."  Tupac

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            larryscabnuts | Feb 17, 2008 07:35am | #703

            Gunner ya shouldn't have built the Mrs a new house. Now all wemmen will want the same thing. Thats how #### like that gets started.

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            Gunner | Feb 17, 2008 10:55am | #706

                How the heck are ya? Back home again?

             

             

             

             

             

             

            So you can take that cookie.And stick it up your, yeah!!Stick it up your, yeah!!,Stick it up your, yeah!!

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            larryscabnuts | Feb 17, 2008 11:27am | #708

            Yep. I am back after 2 mos away. I missed my machines. I don't use them much anymore but I still missed them.

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            Gunner | Feb 17, 2008 02:00pm | #709

              It's good just to sip coffee and stair at them isn't it.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            So you can take that cookie.And stick it up your, yeah!!Stick it up your, yeah!!,Stick it up your, yeah!!

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            larryscabnuts | Feb 18, 2008 12:22am | #713

            Yeah! I still have some dreams and plans. My brains is still good. Its my body I worry about. Its gotten tired and lazy. I even get a notion to buy a new table saw. Don't want to spend the money. I really want to buy a pontoon boat to cruise the Mississippi on. (damn gas is expensive though) DW wants me to get one but she is scared of the water big time.
            This world is just not made for perfect folks like us. <snicker>

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            Gunner | Feb 18, 2008 01:01am | #714

                 Sounds like me. The perfect part that is. LOL

             

             

             

             

             

             

            So you can take that cookie.And stick it up your, yeah!!Stick it up your, yeah!!,Stick it up your, yeah!!

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            larryscabnuts | Feb 18, 2008 01:42am | #715

            Its tough to be that way (perfect). I used to be conceited but now I am perfect.

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            Gunner | Feb 18, 2008 01:53am | #716

               I have a hard time being humble about it too.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            So you can take that cookie.And stick it up your, yeah!!Stick it up your, yeah!!,Stick it up your, yeah!!

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            larryscabnuts | Feb 18, 2008 10:58pm | #717

            Blessed are the peace keepers for they shall inherit the earth.

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            Gunner | Mar 10, 2008 04:01am | #718

               Got power turned on finaly. The wife and I took a ride over there tonight to check it out and the power was on and most of the fixtures are done. I shot a quick video of the kitchen and deck. When I figure out how to get my camera to shoot longer videos I'll to a full walk through so everyone can get the layout pieced together.

              Here's a link.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spas24n8QS8

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          423. seeyou | Mar 10, 2008 04:40am | #719

            Kewl - it's almost party time.http://grantlogan.net/

             

            Today we's learnin' about rawks. They's all kinds of rawks. These [picks up rock] is rawks which you throw. These here [throws rock at Rusty] is rawks that you get hit with.  E.Cuyler

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            Gunner | Mar 10, 2008 05:04am | #720

               I'm not getting to worked up about it. Like I was telling you at lunch last time if the whole deal went belly up and we didn't get it we would be better off. Especially in this economy. I almost had her talked into one of these babies last night.

            http://www.landmarkloghomes.com/

               She wants to ride over to their office open house next weekend and have a look around.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          425. MikeSmith | Mar 10, 2008 07:56pm | #721

            the dog did it for meMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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            Gunner | Mar 10, 2008 08:16pm | #722

                She's the best. Even if she does hit me in the nuts everytime she sees me.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          427. DougU | Mar 11, 2008 06:13am | #723

            Who's running that camera, one of the crew from Blair Witch Project?

          428. rez | Mar 11, 2008 06:51am | #724

            Now that's funny right there. 

             

            Peach full,easy feelin'.

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            Gunner | Mar 11, 2008 09:40am | #725

                Give me a break pal! I just took a shot in the cookies. You stand up straight. Damn dog weighs 50 pounds.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          430. DougU | Mar 11, 2008 02:03pm | #726

            Wear a cup

            Your dog is like Dino, Fred comes in the house and Dino saks him.

            Or in your case, thee ole nut check!

            Doug

             

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            Gunner | Mar 12, 2008 01:41am | #727

               Yep. I learned the hard way to sleep on my side ans stomach. When she's ready to go out in the middle of the night to potty she just jumps on top of me and starts hitting me with her front paw. She finaly got me trained. LOL

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

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            Gunner | Mar 14, 2008 03:57am | #728

               Went out tonight and shot another Blair witch video for ya. LOL This one covers the house. I only had like four minutes total on my card. So I had to move parts of it along. But it puts the floor plan together better then pictures.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld9ERzvBT7s

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

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            Gunner | Mar 14, 2008 04:08am | #729

                Here's a view from the back side of the house.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0mxbvg-c5I

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          434. DougU | Mar 14, 2008 02:07pm | #742

            OK, the vidios are a little better but now you gotta set them to some Ashley Alexandra Dupre music.

            Doug

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            Gunner | Mar 14, 2008 03:40pm | #744

               Man. I already have trailers outside for the crew and catering. I don't know if the studio will spring for a Ashley Alexandra Dupre sound track.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          436. DougU | Mar 15, 2008 02:49am | #748

            I don't know if the studio will spring for a Ashley Alexandra Dupre sound track.

            Is the studio aware of what all comes with a Ashley Alexandra Dupre sound track?

            Be blown away!

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            Gunner | Mar 15, 2008 10:01am | #749

               No. What should I tell them?

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

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            FatRoman | Mar 15, 2008 11:23am | #750

            Tell 'em you want the weekend package. Buy two nights and get a governor for free.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb

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            Gunner | Mar 15, 2008 05:48pm | #751

                Give me a big dope slap. That whole thing went right over my head. Now I'm up to speed.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

            Edited 3/15/2008 10:49 am ET by Gunner

          440. seeyou | Mar 15, 2008 06:02pm | #752

            Hey man - I'm gettin' hungry.http://grantlogan.net/

             

            But you all knew that.  I detailed it extensively in my blog.

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            Gunner | Mar 15, 2008 06:07pm | #753

               Getting ready to call you.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          442. Shep | Mar 14, 2008 04:17am | #730

            I like the room descriptions

            " powder room- place for guests to poop"

            But where's the pics of the man cave? And don't give me this " its dark down there" stuff. You're an electrician- set up some lights so you can film! <G>

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            Gunner | Mar 14, 2008 04:22am | #731

               I have to set up my Youtube account so only men can view the sacred man cave. If women view it the magic will be sucked right out of it.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          444. Shep | Mar 14, 2008 04:29am | #732

            Oh yeah,

            is that the same dog that likes to French you?

            And which does she do first- kick ya in the nuts, or give ya a big, sloppy kiss.

            And what are the odds of getting THAT on youtube. LOL

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            Gunner | Mar 14, 2008 04:52am | #733

                Usualy she hits me in the nuts then when I bend over she sticks her front paws on my chest and tries to pull me in to give me a big wet one.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

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            Gunner | Mar 14, 2008 05:05am | #734

                So they got the back deck started today. In the last video you see it under construction. After I shot the video I was walking around back and saw the deck guys lag screws. Guess what 4" lag screws is all they think they are going to hang that thing off the back of my house with. I was showing the wife. She wanted to know how deep that would go so I held up a piece of the ledger in front of a brick and placed a lag on top of it. Not even half way through the brick!  The numbness of these nuts never stops amazing me. I wonder how many decks they have hung like that.

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            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          447. seeyou | Mar 14, 2008 05:14am | #735

            Where's the pool table gonna go?http://grantlogan.net/

             

            But you all knew that.  I detailed it extensively in my blog.

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            Gunner | Mar 14, 2008 05:49am | #738

              Man cave naturally.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

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            Gunner | Mar 14, 2008 05:59am | #741

               Hey Terry and I are gonna be in Lexington doing a remodel Tommorrow night and Saturday. I don't think we can start untill Noon Saturday. Wanna think about doing a little mid morning breakfast rendevous Saturday?

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

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            Matt | Mar 14, 2008 05:19am | #736

            So... they are using the brick veneer to support the deck....  Hummmm

            normally, even if we are just using lags (which we aren't allowed to per code) they would still have to penetrate the framing.  Is the basement ceiling all finished?  We are required to use 5/8 gal bolts, nuts, & washers....  Although I read here that there are a lot of places that lags are acceptable....

            ya gotta be careful with either type of fastener though - you can crack the brick veneer with too much tightening....

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            Gunner | Mar 14, 2008 05:50am | #739

               They would like to use the brick to support the deck. I'm not going to let them.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          452. Shep | Mar 14, 2008 05:28am | #737

            So you'll be calling the numbnuttz construction supervisor again? I think I remember you saying he's back on your job.

            He must wet his pants every time he sees your phone # on caller ID.

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            Gunner | Mar 14, 2008 05:56am | #740

              I don't call him. I call his boss. His boss is pretty good actually. But like all bosses with too many Irons in the fire he has to rely on what his guys are telling him. Just fired off an Email to him a few minutes ago.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          454. MisterT | Mar 14, 2008 03:18pm | #743

            Man Gunner, you have the patience of a Saint!!Must be the clergy thing..I woulda been telling them to take a high hard one, and do it my self....
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            "After the laws of Physics, everything else is opinion" -Neil deGrasse Tyson
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            If Pasta and Antipasta meet is it the end of the Universe???

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            Gunner | Mar 14, 2008 03:43pm | #745

               It's my wife. She really wants this house. But to her credit. She won't accept that BS no matter how bad she wants it. So it's do it again Willie until they get it right.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5K8sofXj5E

          456. MikeSmith | Mar 14, 2008 05:43pm | #746

            gunner.. looking good..

             can i see the detail of how they wrapped the windows and the sill  / apron detail  ?

            and.... what are they using for decking  ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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            Gunner | Mar 16, 2008 07:57am | #756

               Sorry about not getting back to you. I stopped in Arbys to poop Friday so  I checked my Email while I was waiting and saw your post. Then I worked most of the night and I just got in from working today.

               Anyway. Do you mean how they wrapped the windows before brick? I'll dig them up. I ain't doing nothing but hitting the Rattler and paperwork tomorrow.

               The Decking is ACQ. Yea I know, but there's a difference between what I want and what I can afford. Beside I'd wager a years salary that they don't have anybody smart enough to do trex or any of the composites.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          458. MikeSmith | Mar 16, 2008 10:20am | #758

            hey, the decks is what it is
            i was trying to get a good look at the interior window trimMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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            Gunner | Mar 16, 2008 10:25am | #759

               Gotcha. I might ride over there tomorrow. Just a sill. No casing. I like the look of it. Clean.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Gunner | Mar 27, 2008 04:50am | #776

                Here's the interior window trim. Went over tonight to look at the hardwood floor that's going down. They neglected to fix the leak coming in from the front door before they started the hardwood. Hey I told them.

               My damn wife was talking about giving up and getting a release from our contract before we went over. Now she just has to have the fricking place after seeing the hardwood going down.

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              And here's a couple of the ledger boards on the deck covering the weep holes. What do you think of that? I seem to remember it being the general concensious that the weep holes below the windows and doors aren't that important. Or am I wrong?

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          461. MikeSmith | Mar 27, 2008 05:03am | #777

            nicely wrapped windows.....our house has 7" walls... so we have the exact same detailas to the lack of weep holes below the doors & windows.... don't know what best practise isMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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            Gunner | Mar 27, 2008 05:22am | #778

               I like it. We've decided with this joint we are going minimal. Plain Crafstman type furniture. No real fancy trim. I'm liking it.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          463. MisterT | Mar 27, 2008 03:12pm | #779

            Tell me that is a washer on that window stool and not a knot bleeding thru!!!.
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            Gunner | Mar 27, 2008 07:20pm | #780

            It's not a knot. They used clear popular.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            JeffBuck | Mar 27, 2008 10:11pm | #781

            that's a very popular wood indeed!

             

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          466. MisterT | Mar 27, 2008 10:21pm | #782

            It's not clear, I cant see thru it...
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            Gunner | Mar 28, 2008 03:16am | #783

            Yuck Yuck

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Gunner | Apr 01, 2008 03:08am | #784

                Finaly took a video of Mantown. I posted it on Youtube.

                Let me catch you up since my last post. The hardwood floor is done. Except they got their communications crossed and didn't do the hallway. The whole upstairs except the Master bedroom is supposed to be hardwood. I don't know why they figured the hallway would be carpet.

                Met with the head super finaly Saturday morning. I like the guy. He's going to jack hammer up the front porch and re flash the foundation. The front door had been letting water come in underneath. When I found out that the hardwood was going down I asked them if they had borthered to fix the leak under the front door? Somebody rushed over and ran a bead of silicone around the door. Obviously it isn't going to work.  We talked about it for a minute and he said that they have been having problems with that type of porch and he wasn't going to screw around with it. He'd have it taken back up and done right. The problem is with the basement walls under it leaking because of no real flashing. We went over the other issues. He said he'd get it taken care of.

               We spent about two hours just hanging out and bullsh1tting. He's getting ready to build his dream house. The guy has it well thought out. Pretty cool ideas. He confided that he likes to just shoot the sh1t with me because we speak the same language.  Nobody else he works with can carry on a conversation about construction sad as it may be. Anyway I feel that he's gonna take care of my issues.

               I also reiterated that I didn't like the old super being back on the house. And that after he tried to brick my house with the Tyvek flopping in the wind I consider him an idiot and a liar. I also told him that I wouldn't do a final walk through with that idiot. He said that he understood znd that wouldn't be a problem. Anyway more then you wanted to know. Here's some pics of the hardwood and a link to the Mancave.

              The video is dark but it's about as brght as it's going to get until the lights are hooked up.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vscl1uOnk9w

               The floors are dusty from the construction but they will be awesome when cleaned.

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            FatRoman | Apr 01, 2008 04:03am | #785

            Mantown is looking great. Sounds like you've got a good path to resolving your issues. And I really like the amount of light you've got in the kitchen.I get a kick out of your videos. Everyone of them has me back in the old time horror film days, and I want to scream 'Whatever you do, don't open that door!' LOL'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb

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            Gunner | Apr 01, 2008 04:29am | #787

               I want to hide the dog in one of the closets and open the door and have her jump out. Of course she will just be wagging her tail and wanting to lick you on the face. LOL

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            FatRoman | Apr 11, 2008 05:14am | #789

            OK, so where's the latest installment of the Blair Witch Project??'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb

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            Gunner | Apr 11, 2008 05:46am | #790

               What a coinkidink I was just thumbing throught the old Tyvek thread. Good times.:) We were out there the other night took a couple exterior shots of the front and back.

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          473. frammer52 | Apr 11, 2008 06:34am | #791

            what did the do about deck fastening to brick?

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            Gunner | Apr 11, 2008 09:39am | #795

                They claim that they used 7" lag screws. Funny. All I saw out there was 4" lags until I said something. The next day a 7" lag apeared and was laying there. (I guess for my inspection.) This weekend I'm going to take a ladder out there and pull a few out to see if they are screwing with me. I'm probably going to make them change them to through bolts anyway. They are supposed to be pulling all the support posts repouring the piers and mounting the posts on brackets on top of the concrete. That was the agreement when they quoted the deck. Somehow that got missed when they put the posts in.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          475. DougU | Apr 11, 2008 02:00pm | #798

            Gunner

            Is everybody else's house in the hood going to suffer because of your incessant demands?

            They gotta make this up some place ya know!

            Doug

          476. MisterT | Apr 11, 2008 02:12pm | #799

            Makes ya almost feel sorry for the peeps who just buy one of their houses without knowing what they are looking for.almost..it keeps us remodelers busy....
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            Gunner | Apr 11, 2008 03:08pm | #805

                The tract homes they build are something else. Cheap and fast. And they have them priced so your payments come out about the same as apartment rent. So that's the kind of buyers they get. And all they get to see is the final product. So when your moving from an apartment into your first home all you get is the sparkling clean house with the fresh smell. That's why they sell so many.

                I've been in several of their model homes in my opinion none of them should b e shown. Bulging drywall, crappy paint stuff like that. But they sell the heck out of them. Even in this economy they sell at a steady pace. I walked into one they had open, the sewer gas was so bad I turned around and left. Someone bought it a couple of weeks later. Smell and all.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          478. DougU | Apr 12, 2008 02:13am | #815

            it keeps us remodelers busy...

            That's what I don't get about everybody complaining about McMansions - those are our future work sites!

            Doug

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            Matt | Apr 12, 2008 04:42am | #817

            >> That's what I don't get about everybody complaining about McMansions - those are our future work sites! <<

            Doug - I know we are worlds apart but I'm thinking one thing we might have in common - creating is always "more funner" than fixin'.  Yes? no? maybe?

          480. DougU | Apr 12, 2008 06:27pm | #829

            Matt

            creating is always "more funner" than fixin'.  Yes? no? maybe?

            Oh I agree that building something nice or creating as you say,  is much more fun then fixing but I don't get the thought process to eliminate McMansions.

            I personally don't care what anybody builds, if they want to impress their friends by living in a McNeighborhood then good for them, I personally drive through those places and think, no way could I live her, but that's me.

            Hell I have a house that's 150 years old and is going through a complete remodel, those people living in those McMansions wouldn't dream of taking on this project,  maybe they know something that I don't! They also have their weekends for other things then gutting an old house.

            I'm for quality just like the next guy but throughout time low end construction has been going on and we survived, I'm just saying that that's potential work down the road for someone. We got to keep everybody working ya know!

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            Matt | Apr 12, 2008 09:11pm | #831

            I'm with ya.  Not my cup o' tea either, but if people want McMansions - more power to 'em.  Keeps me in a job.   

          482. MisterT | Apr 12, 2008 05:09am | #821

            Actually from what I've seen, they would be better off being torn down..
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            Gunner | Apr 11, 2008 03:00pm | #804

                 Buyer Beware.

               I should post a sign with that on it at the entrance to all their subdivisions.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Matt | Apr 11, 2008 02:38pm | #801

            Just thought of something else....

            Best bud of mine and his DW had a house built.  He is (was) a superintendent like me...  At first I thought it odd he was having a house built, but it was the lot they wanted - on a golf course.  He is a big time golfer...  The builder owned the lot.

            Anyway, the builder ended up getting a restraining order against him (my bud) that prohibited him from being on the property until the final walkthrough :-).

            Sounds like your builder is really pretty easy to get along with... :-)

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            Gunner | Apr 11, 2008 03:26pm | #807

               I believe I'm the only customer with his own key to his future house. One thing I try not to do is nit pick. If it won't make a difference I don't care. I'm trying to be balanced even though I shouldn't be. Anything I've called them on is a legitimate issue.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            BillHartmann | Apr 12, 2008 05:00am | #819

            "I'm trying to be balanced"Gunner!
            Balanced!.
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            Gunner | Apr 12, 2008 05:08am | #820

               It can happen. :)

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Matt | Apr 12, 2008 05:25am | #822

            >> One thing I try not to do is nit pick. <<  God bless you for that.  Being on the other side of this thing, I have these walkthroughs with customers.  It's like they can't find anything wrong with the house so they start on the nick in the paint behind where the fridge will go...  A lot of this is fueled by real estate agents...  They have to appear to add some value - you know - get their client something for free - without jeopardizing the deal... I keep telling myself... "nick in the drywall - no problem.  I'd much rather hear that then: that isn't the right color of roof"....  I gotta wonder though, if some people have any common sense at all.  I had one like that a year ago - only the DW nick was behind the washer....  Three months after the move-in I went over there for a warranty item.  Apparently the BIL and some beer drinking' buddies moved them in - wasted the walls....  I just smiled to myself.  

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            Gunner | Apr 12, 2008 06:29am | #823

               Working in banks has taught me that nit pickers never worked for a living. Try pleasing a building full of women who have nothing better to do all day.

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            FatRoman | Apr 12, 2008 02:00pm | #825

            <i>Try pleasing a building full of women who have nothing better to do all day</i><p>So your alternate life as Hugh Hefner isn't all sunshine and roses then? LOL<p>Actually, I should thank you for starting this thread. I've gained a great education on housewraps. Enough to keep me from buying a $2.5 mil house down the street with the wrap on the dormers that's been flapping in the breeze for months. Well, that and the asking price. No sense paying good money for someone else's mistakes when I can make them myself for free :)'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb

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            Gunner | Apr 12, 2008 02:12pm | #826

               Yea I always feel better in bankruptcy court if I screwed the house up myself. LOL

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          492. frammer52 | Apr 11, 2008 04:47pm | #809

            I believe the code says bolts not lags. 

            Looks good from your picture though

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            Gunner | Apr 11, 2008 06:03pm | #811

                From what I have garnered the code doesn't specify anything. I did find out after it was too late that decks on brick veneer should be free standing and not attached at all. I would have been happier with it freestanding now that I'm looking in hind sight. That takes away any conflict between the two if an uplift situation occurs.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          494. frammer52 | Apr 11, 2008 06:34am | #792

            nice

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            Luka | Apr 11, 2008 07:51am | #793

            I guess we are going to have to start calling you MISTER Gunner SIR !!That, or just talk to the butler...;o)


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            Gunner | Apr 11, 2008 09:29am | #794

                Esquire would be nice.  It's actually not that huge looking on the inside. The coser they get to finishing the more I want to move into it. It's gonna be a bad #### crib.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Luka | Apr 11, 2008 09:42am | #796

            Esquire ?More like PIA.;o)I hope you get them to change those posts and bolts !


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            Gunner | Apr 11, 2008 02:52pm | #802

               The posts will be changed. I'm going to probably add support posts the side of the deck against the house also to support it better in case of some traumatic event. Like the house warming party/blowout.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          499. seeyou | Apr 11, 2008 02:54pm | #803

            I was gonna call you today. Hadn't seen you around for a while.http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Apr 11, 2008 04:00pm | #808

                Been doing the Spring thing. I skim through here just about every night to see what's fresh. Dumped the tavern a couple of weeks ago so that cuts down too.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          501. seeyou | Apr 11, 2008 05:19pm | #810

            Dumped the tavern a couple of weeks ago so that cuts down too.

            You're not missing anything. Very little if anything going on there of any interest to me.http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Apr 11, 2008 06:08pm | #812

               It hasn't really interested me for a couple of months. Now that it's not there at the bottom of the screen I care even less about what goes on in there. Out of site out of mind.

               Besides. I have discovered that the internet is chock full of P0RN! I never knew that before. :)

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          503. rez | Apr 11, 2008 06:21pm | #813

             

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          504. DougU | Apr 12, 2008 02:11am | #814

            damn you man!

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            Sphere | Apr 11, 2008 01:59pm | #797

            So I guess the center gable having two different size returns is the new style?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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          506. Piffin | Apr 18, 2008 02:18pm | #848

            That was another one of the things they were going to fix. Guess they didn't get around to it with all the other goof-ups Gunner had them chasing. 

             

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            Sphere | Apr 18, 2008 02:21pm | #849

            Might not matter what with the quake over that way this am..I saw damage on tv from Louisville..that house may have racked enough to fix the soffit!Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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          508. Piffin | Apr 18, 2008 02:39pm | #851

            I missed that. 

             

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            Matt | Apr 11, 2008 02:24pm | #800

            Looks really nice....  Hope you have the $$$ to install some trees or something within the next few years....  I guess you all in the mid-west are more used to that open look though...

            I remember back in the '07 early winter a guy asked if it would be done by Christmas - he-he-he....  I'll have to say though - those guys aren't setting any land speed records....  Must be the PITA customer and all those re-dos... :-)

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            Gunner | Apr 11, 2008 03:21pm | #806

                Trees for sure. Especialy since it sits on high ground.

                The super is really gun shy. But they have held way back on the schedule to acomadate us selling this house which isn't getting any bites. (Never list in the winter.) They have been pretty cool about it really. The head super actually really likes me. And we have had some pretty good meetings. Once he met me and found out that I knew what I was talking about and was only asking for what was right he has been pretty good about getting stuff done. His underling on the other hand is a total idiot. But that's been covered extensivley. :)

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Matt | Apr 12, 2008 04:22am | #816

            >> His underling on the other hand is a total idiot. But that's been covered extensivley. :) <<

             

            I know the type..  I posted this pic a while back,,,  I saw this guy at a building code seminar a few days ago...  I was wondering if he learned anything other than how to pass inspections...  I know I shouldn't judge people, but I was kinda of wondering what his IQ was - and the like...  BTW - now that the new homes market is pretty bad, they went to using no housewrap - vinyl right over OSB.  I would rather be unemployed than do that....  Actually. I'd probably be beating the streets landing jobs fixing poorly built houses... God forbid... And you were wining about your builder's crappy housewrap job... :-)  I would guess it's easy to sleep at night when you aren't hampered by something like a brain... :-) hehehe

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            Gunner | Apr 12, 2008 04:52am | #818

               Holy ####.

               That would have been my house had i not put my foot down. Your right about the almighty dollar. It rules most things.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          513. frammer52 | Apr 12, 2008 08:14am | #824

            Why are they wearing hard hats?

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            Matt | Apr 12, 2008 02:34pm | #827

            >> Why are they wearing hard hats? <<  Because when they saw me taking their pic they figured I must be OSHA or someone official. :-)   It was almost commical to see how quickly they got them on....   They should know that OSHA doesn't drive pickup trucks - at least not around here.  I'm sure they were oblivious to their crappy building techniques.

          515. frammer52 | Apr 12, 2008 06:08pm | #828

            They obviously don"t know OSHA reg. either

            In My experience what they were doing is not that uncommon on new const..

            Is it right, no, just not that unusual.  If the builders would pay more, you would get better job, because they could demand it.

            That's one of my beefs with new home builders.

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            Matt | Apr 12, 2008 09:07pm | #830

            >> Is it right, no, just not that unusual.  If the builders would pay more, you would get better job, because they could demand it.

            That's one of my beefs with new home builders. <<

            And likewise if homebuyers would pay more, builders could pay more.

          517. frammer52 | Apr 12, 2008 10:42pm | #832

            I have found that homebuilders around here have no real respect for their subs.  The appearence is that the builders have not passed along their price increases.  Just my opinion.  No facts to back it up though.

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            Matt | Apr 12, 2008 11:32pm | #833

            Here is another way to think about it...

            Being a sub is a pretty safe business - at least compared to being a builder... 

            If a builder builds a spec home it may sit for some period of time unsold - with the builder making a relatively high interest rate loan payments, insurance, utilities, upkeep, etc.

            Right now the company I work has 10 spec homes sitting that I built.  The carny on each one is at least $1k a month - so we are "loosing" 10k a month - every month...  Plans to build the houses were made on the healthy real estate market that existed a year ago.

            If a builder is building on customer owned property, if the customer gets unhappy, he can boot the builder and the builder probably won't realize the money he would normally make on the portion of the house that was completed.

            If the builder owns some land he can build homes as sales are made.  He then has to make payments on the land as it sits there.  Also, land development can easily cost in the millions meaning interest payments are being made on more than just the cost of the land.

            Being a builder is a really risky business.  That's why I'm an an employee - not a builder.

            As a sub you preform a service, get paid, and move on to the next job.  If things go really south, you might get hozed on a job costing you what - $10k.  If you have been subbing for all those years I'm sure it's happened to you a few times...  Sorry that happened.... 

            Home prices are driven by buyers.  Not builders.

          519. frammer52 | Apr 12, 2008 11:47pm | #834

            home prices to an extant are driven by customers, not.

          520. DougU | Apr 13, 2008 12:49am | #835

            Right now the company I work has 10 spec homes sitting that I built.

            In a normal year how many houses do you build? Just trying to get some perspective on this.

            Biggest builder around here on normal year does about 120 - 140.  When I was in TX there were builders doing that many in a month!

            Having seen some of the pictures of your work I know your not a track builder so I'm guessing there are bigger builders in your area, just curious about how many houses you guys do.

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            Matt | Apr 13, 2008 01:32am | #836

            I built 15 homes last year.   Things are very rough in the single family market right now.  Right now I'm building 2 presales that may have saved my job.  I have 3 other permits submitted 2 of which will probably be presales.  Subs have stories of working 3 days a week, and pretty much are showing up right on time.  The 2 presales I am doing right now have been going for 6 weeks (since permits were issued) and I'm sheetrocking on Monday...  They are fairly simple though - vinyl siding and prefinished hardwood etc, inside.  My trim guy has called me 2x in the last 2 months.

            Yes, it is a small company.  We mainly build low-rise apartments though - small complexes of 50 to 150 units.  We probably finished 180 units last year.  Also unassisted senior buildings.  These are subsidized by the NC housing finance agency.

            We have also built condos (apartments) and town houses. 

            A larger local builder I know of had 140 specs on the ground last I heard.

          522. DougU | Apr 13, 2008 01:38am | #837

            A larger local builder I know of had 140 specs on the ground last I heard.

            If there that big then they can probably absorb some of that but man, I'd be a little nervous right now!

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          523. Piffin | Apr 18, 2008 02:16pm | #847

            They still have that left soffit overhang longer and lower on the central tower there Rappunzzel 

             

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 03:08am | #863

                Yep. I doubt they will ever fix it. I'm saving it for a heat of the moment thing. You know like the original come to Jesus meeting we had over the Tyvek. It will go like this. "You think I'm being picky? You think I'm being picky? If I was being picky I'd be raising he77 over that!"  (Then point to the overhang) Anybody else would make you tear it all off and redo it. I'm just worried about little things. Like the deck being fastened properly. Or flashing around windows. I aint even got picky muther FR!"

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          525. Piffin | Apr 20, 2008 12:12am | #892

            Bet you wear your cap off on a cocky little tilt too!;) 

             

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            Gunner | Apr 20, 2008 04:43am | #896

               Actually I think I counted three houses in the neighborhood with the same problem. One of them built by a different builder. I think it's a trend. LOL

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          527. Piffin | Apr 20, 2008 02:17pm | #897

            I think I see more faux classical details in the south than up here, with things like columns too slender either out of ignorance or because is saves a buck. It isn't something I would bother with at this point, but like frammer pointed out, they do need proper support. 

             

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          528. DougU | Apr 20, 2008 06:15pm | #900

            I think I see more faux classical details in the south than up here,

            I think sometimes you guys that live in/on the New England coast take for granted the use of classical details. I've seen that as you get further away from the New England/Philadelphia/Virginia.......... and some of the other older cities that used classical architecture the way it was meant to be you'll see a wide eclectic use of architectural elements. It just gets diluted down the further away you get.

            I doubt the posts being any larger would give gunner more strength though, hell two strait 2 x 4's nailed perpendicular can hold a lot of weight up!

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          529. rez | Apr 20, 2008 06:37pm | #901

            Don't you mean screwed perpendicular?

             

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          530. DougU | Apr 20, 2008 06:47pm | #902

            YEA, that would be better!

          531. Piffin | Apr 20, 2008 09:38pm | #903

            True analysis 

             

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            Gunner | Apr 18, 2008 05:18am | #838

                Today we got columns. They are supposed to be structral. Anyway they put the in and they fit in way better then I thought they would. But the top piece is way to big. It looks stupid as heck. Here you be the judge.

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          533. DougU | Apr 18, 2008 05:27am | #839

            Gunner my man, that's the way a column capital is supposed to look! Well sorta...........without going into a long dissertation on the proportions of architectural details in single family homes and with regard to the fact that your house, and those of most of ours, don't follow true architectural rules to proportion/size and function.

            Columns often have this detail and it really is OK. I think the columns look a little on the thin side but not enough that you should change them.

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          534. DougU | Apr 18, 2008 05:37am | #840

            Gunner

            Here is a pic of some capitals on a cased opening to the kitchen,  I know this isn't the same as your application but it gives you an idea of how columns and their proportion look with the capital being the size that it is.

            I could probably find you any number of pictures where the capital is wider then the beam that its holding up. That's just the way it is so quit asking so damn many questions. Plus I'm not articulate enough to explain it to ya!

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            Gunner | Apr 18, 2008 05:39am | #841

               Hmm. I never would have guessed that. To me it just looks wrong.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          536. DougU | Apr 18, 2008 05:48am | #842

            Look around at old banks, churches.......I bet you see it all the time and dont even realize it.

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          537. MisterT | Apr 18, 2008 06:12am | #843

            that is so the pigeons can dribble poop down the columns easier...be kind to your feathered freinds...
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            Luka | Apr 18, 2008 06:41am | #844

            Anybody taking bets on how long it will be before the dog lifts a leg on those columns ?;o)


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          539. MisterT | Apr 18, 2008 02:52pm | #852

            Gunner might beet him toitDOH! :o}.
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            Matt | Apr 19, 2008 02:37am | #860

            >> Hmm. I never would have guessed that. To me it just looks wrong. <<

            Here is a pic of the Lincoln Memorial, and here is another of the White House.

            BTW - my rule of thumb for column sizing is a little simpler and much more conservative than the one given above: 8' of height = 8" column, 10' of height = 10" column, 12' of height = 12" column - etc.  These numbers are for the minimum sized column.  Fatter columns look phatter. :-)  to a point.  If they are grouped closely together often slimmer columns are called for.  See attached pic.

             

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            Matt | Apr 19, 2008 03:13am | #865

            here is the pic...

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 03:20am | #869

                Thanks. I don't understand why people think they look good like that. I guess I have to get used to it then. That formula is way easier.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          543. rez | Apr 18, 2008 06:52am | #845

            So you're going to be content to look at those things standing in the middle of your new house?

            Well ok, maybe they will grow on you. Time can sometimes do funny things to people.

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          544. MisterT | Apr 18, 2008 02:54pm | #853

            Hey lets not rag on the columns it looks like the first thing they installed right!!.
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          545. MikeSmith | Apr 18, 2008 03:40pm | #854

            gunner... we got rules for flashing...

             we got rules for columns :

            those are Tuscan... a very popular "order" of columns

             

            basic rule... diameter = 1/7 of the height  ( or the height of the column is 7 x the diameter )    it will look squat ....... or spindly the further you deviate from than basic rule  so.. the height  of the column is where you start..

             that is what determines the diameter... and all the other pieces are fractions of the diameter

            Tuscan is the least ornate of the orders  the top part  ( the Echinus & the Abacus )  should total 1/6th D each  ( 2/6 D total )

            a great explanation of the Orders can be found in " The American Vignolia "

            it's important that those two columns be correct  or they will be a source of irritation  and ridicule

            you can google online to find the rules of design for a Tuscan Column....

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            a quick scaling from the above picture tells me those are about HALF the diameter they should be for that height

             

            Others who have more formal training in  classic architecture than me , can confirm or deny what i have said above.. in any case .... they miss, in my opinion

            some will  like them.. others will not... if they were correct, everyone would like them

            look at all three parts of the column:  the base, the shaft, and the capital.... the beam that sits on them ( the Entablature )   needs ornamentation also

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 03:14am | #866

               I'll have to go over there this weekend and take some measurements and pictures. The we can hash it out. This stuff is getting kind of interesting.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          547. DougU | Apr 19, 2008 04:02pm | #879

             I'll have to go over there this weekend and take some measurements

            Gunner, When you initially asked about the overhang of the capital I didn't even go into the proper sizing of those columns like MikeS did because it simply does not matter - where else in the house do you have any architectural features that warrant the debate on the size of the column in realationship to anything!

            I doubt you'll find any language in your contract that states that they have to size the decorative/architectural columns per Andrea Palladio!

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 04:11pm | #880

               True dat.

               You think Mikes just trying to get in my head and make me crazy?

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          549. DougU | Apr 19, 2008 04:14pm | #881

            I think so

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 04:22pm | #882

              That Rat!

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          551. DougU | Apr 19, 2008 04:25pm | #883

            I say when you see his car at Douds this summer you let the air out of his tires.

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 04:36pm | #884

                  Maybe he's paying me back for the Tipifest golf deal?

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          553. MikeSmith | Apr 19, 2008 05:02pm | #885

            contrary to what my esteemed colleague, mr buck has stated... they don't look right...

            a good explanation is in any basic architectural book

            the different orders vary in their diameters from  1/7 to  1/10

            the other thing that jumps out is the top of the capital... the abacus..it is always square

            the bottom of the capital is round... you got like... half a capital

             

            and .... i'd love to see some pics of the base..... that has rules  too.. all based on what the eye likes to see

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 05:06pm | #886

                I'll take some pics today.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          555. Piffin | Apr 20, 2008 12:16am | #893

            Mike has his own purist formula that works for him at 1/7.Matt mentioned a 1/12I use 1/10 

             

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          556. MisterT | Apr 20, 2008 03:15am | #895

            I use 0/12
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            JeffBuck | Apr 19, 2008 06:01am | #874

            that'd make them too fat.

             

            U see the one pic where they die into a header?

            fatten them up and that'd look silly at that intersection.

             

            they're fine.

             

            form follow function ...

            or size follows where they hit the header.

             

            one of them well known phrases fit the bill here ...

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          558. dovetail97128 | Apr 19, 2008 09:10am | #875

            So your saying Gunners gonna have to force them to put in a wider header. Dontcha think he has caused enough trouble?
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            JeffBuck | Apr 19, 2008 10:55am | #876

            exactly ...

             

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          560. DavidxDoud | Apr 21, 2008 05:34pm | #906

            Tuscan, eh?that's Doric to me...."there's enough for everyone"

          561. MikeSmith | Apr 21, 2008 06:26pm | #907

            you may be right.... but the little detail showing just says that the capital is incomplete

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          562. DavidxDoud | Apr 21, 2008 09:12pm | #908

            ya - no doubt they are a 'bastardized' design for the modern american home - I learnt columns as 'Doric', 'Ionic', and 'Corinthian', in increasing order of complexity - Greek, I suppose - sounds like you learnt the Roman pantheon - "there's enough for everyone"

          563. MikeSmith | Apr 21, 2008 10:34pm | #909

            i just copied them outta "American Vignolia".... William  Ware

             

            or Asher Benjamin's  "Practise of Architecture"    &  " The Builder's Guide"

            that new one that Rez  ( i think it was Rez )  recommended is great too....

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          564. Piffin | Apr 22, 2008 12:07am | #910

            You are using the Greek terms. Tuscan is roman for Doric.Eye like all Mediterranean food though, no matter what you call it and a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman in any language. 

             

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          565. rez | Apr 22, 2008 12:24am | #911

            I thought Tuscan was next to Phoenix?

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          566. MisterT | Apr 22, 2008 12:40am | #913

            Yer thinking of Tuscan Sam on the froot loops box..
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          567. seeyou | Apr 22, 2008 12:43am | #915

            You beat mehttp://grantlogan.net/

             

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          568. MisterT | Apr 22, 2008 03:29am | #919

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          569. seeyou | Apr 22, 2008 03:39am | #920

             

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          570. seeyou | Apr 22, 2008 12:43am | #914

            I thought Tuscan was next to Phoenix?

            Makes sense. They're both birds. Remember Tuscan Sam?View Imagehttp://grantlogan.net/

             

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          571. rez | Apr 22, 2008 12:31am | #912

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          572. rez | Apr 22, 2008 12:56am | #916

            by the way, thems the real deal from BC.

             

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          573. DavidxDoud | Apr 22, 2008 02:04am | #917

            I'd judge them to be corinthian...."there's enough for everyone"

          574. rez | Apr 22, 2008 02:23am | #918

            I think those were bilt by the Vanders.

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          575. Piffin | Apr 22, 2008 03:49am | #921

            wuz that from Tipifest? 

             

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          576. rez | Apr 22, 2008 05:01am | #922

            That it was. From the court yard just outside the parking area.

            Wish I'd got some close ups.

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          577. Piffin | Apr 22, 2008 05:07am | #923

            best I have 

             

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          578. rez | Apr 22, 2008 05:26am | #924

            Not bad. Thanks.

             Been nice to have had a ladder to shoot the top from about 6 inches to a foot away but that lady guide probably would have pushed me over.

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          579. MisterT | Apr 23, 2008 03:26am | #925

            Gunner, You MUST stop construction NOW!!!there are some extremely important details you will definately want incorporated in your crib...
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          580. DougU | Apr 23, 2008 04:03am | #926

            They be calling the gunner man #### if he did this to his house!

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            Gunner | Apr 23, 2008 05:38am | #928

               I don't think there's anything in the subdivision rules against it.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          582. DougU | Apr 23, 2008 05:40am | #929

            OK! Its a go

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            Gunner | Apr 23, 2008 06:20am | #930

               I have to see if I can incorporate it with the six dozen mirror balls I'm going to use for the landscaping.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          584. Piffin | Apr 23, 2008 01:41pm | #932

            gazing balls is what they are calledDid you know that if you arrange all 12 of them according to the right precise geometric positioning around your house, they will prevent the men in black from being able to see into your bathroom and bedroom?I think Luka has the formulae 

             

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          585. DougU | Apr 23, 2008 01:47pm | #934

            Did you know that if you arrange all 12 of them according to the right precise geometric positioning around your house, they will prevent the men in black from being able to see into your bathroom and bedroom?

            I had to line a closet in lead for that very reason!  Guy is a bit of an paranoia freak and he didn't want the black helo's to be able to see his stored ammo! You do know that they have those special cameras to see everything that goes on in your house don't you!

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          586. MisterT | Apr 23, 2008 01:47pm | #935

            you need to have pink Flamingoes with laser eyes in the right spots and it will be impenetrable !!.
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            Luka | Apr 23, 2008 10:44pm | #937

            And I am NOT telling !


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            Matt | May 10, 2008 02:50pm | #938

            So, when is move-in day?  Or, maybe I missed it...

          589. MisterT | May 10, 2008 04:51pm | #939

            Right now they are clear-cutting a small forest to get enough paper for the punch-list.And Gunner is out shopping for some new A-S-S-kicking boots with titanium toes..
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            Gunner | May 10, 2008 07:18pm | #940

                I wish it was as easy as T's post. 

                I don't want to say too much before all the dealing is done. But we are doing some dealings. The builder is wanting to sell us the new house at cost is we take an offer on our current house from another party for fifteen thousand less then our current asking price.

               They are figuring up what they have into the new house now and will give us a price. Unless they come up with something pretty darn good we are going to take a dump on the deal. I know the persons family that's making the offer on this house and they are probably thinking we are panicking. We aren't. The wife has decided that we'd be better off in this economy staying where we are. I knew that when we started this odyssey but she didn't believe it then. All this house really needs is a total bathroom remodel and a patio poured and it would be like the Casba anyway.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          591. Piffin | May 10, 2008 08:45pm | #941

            "They are figuring up what they have into the new house now and will give us a price"Considering how many times they had to rebuild it with the Tyvek, the ducting, the framing...they probably have too much into it and they will be billing you for educating them and their people."All this house really needs is a total bathroom remodel "Need a new bathroom to go with that new toilet, eh? 

             

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            Gunner | May 10, 2008 09:00pm | #943

               Yea I guarantee they will want us to pay for their education. Too bad for them.

            Need a new bathroom to go with that new toilet, eh?

              Yea I have to learn how to remove them things without a flash and a bang. :)

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Luka | May 10, 2008 08:48pm | #942

            Gunner,For good cause, you have been a real pain in the arse to this builder.They don't see the "for good cause" part of it. Just the pain.You know the guy that you like as the supervisor ?Maybe as a thank you tip, to him... If you decide not to buy the house, you might want to get ahold of him, and suggest to him that the company figure out who could be their best possible customer, as far as FUTURE sales from recommendations, etc....And try to sell the house to that particular customer.Win for the customer because they get the best house this builder has done.Win for the company because they get the house sold, and they might get future buisness as well.And win for the guy you liked, because it was 'his' idea. One more thing in his favor when it comes time to lay employees off, and the rest of them are church partners...


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            Gunner | May 10, 2008 09:09pm | #944

               I have no doubt that particular house will get snatched up pretty fast if it goes on the market. It's laid out nice and the few extras we added like the hardwood floor through out the first floor and the deck across the back,and granite counter tops will add a lot of enthusiasm to a buyer. That is compared to their other spec houses. One thing that puzzles me with this builder and his people is they built two three hundred thousand dollar spec houses on our street and didn't put one extra into either one of them. Low end carpet through out, and Formica counter tops. Nice floor plans great location and cheap insides.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          595. MisterT | May 10, 2008 09:09pm | #945

            In my experience...unfortunitely when it comes to Church buddies you rarely have enough in your favor.but there are exceptions...Sounds like the G-man has it under control!H e l l he even convinced his wife that he was right!!!with that alone he is light years ahead of most men on this planet...<]:o).
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            Gunner | May 10, 2008 09:11pm | #946

            PS.   I'm really glad I added maybe in parenthesis to the end of the title on this thread. LOL

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Luka | May 10, 2008 09:23pm | #947

            Well, there goes my room with the easy path to a late night snack...;o)


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            Gunner | May 10, 2008 10:10pm | #948

               We got room for you here. I'll just leave a flashlight on the night stand for ya buddy.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Luka | May 10, 2008 10:25pm | #949

            Cool !!I can make shadow bunnies, and play tent !!=0)


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          600. Piffin | May 10, 2008 10:42pm | #950

            Be sure it's a Maglite so you have a really good tent pole 

             

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            Gunner | May 10, 2008 10:45pm | #951

               Just keep the noise down in there. And if you make a tent. You wash the sheets. :)

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Matt | May 11, 2008 02:18am | #952

            Let us know what happened when things get solidified and it's all history...

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            Gunner | May 11, 2008 07:11am | #953

               What's the reverse of a house warming? Whatever it is that's what we'll have.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            JeffBuck | May 11, 2008 07:27am | #954

            just remember ...

             

            F california!

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            Gunner | May 11, 2008 03:14pm | #956

                LMAO!   Words to live by.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Luka | May 11, 2008 08:00am | #955

            House wake.


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            Gunner | May 11, 2008 03:16pm | #957

                 Could be.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          608. MisterT | May 11, 2008 03:53pm | #958

            tavern chillingas in the beer we be drinkin!!.
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          609. MisterT | May 11, 2008 03:56pm | #959

            Here ya go bro...http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style/169/
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            Gunner | May 11, 2008 04:07pm | #960

               Rice lager just doesn't sound good no matter how fast you try to say it or with any accent you try to put on it.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          611. MisterT | May 11, 2008 05:05pm | #961

            notice that most got grades of C or Dso much for macrobiotic suds....
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            Gunner | May 11, 2008 05:27pm | #962

               Yea there's some areas you don't want to push that stuff into. Alcohol is one of them.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          613. Jay123 | May 11, 2008 05:54pm | #963

            Well at least we know the reason behind the rice shortage now.J

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            Gunner | Jun 04, 2008 05:26am | #964

                   Well, we pulled the plug on the "dream" today. The wife and I took a trip to Roseville Michigan for a graduation last weekend and decided that the whole thing was fruitless. The way they've dicked us around and are going to dick us around. And the fact that all we are getting on our current house is a few people kicking tires we've decided to bag it and focus on our current house.

               They must have been eager to get the new one listed. I called at 5:30 p.m. and it was listed on their web site less then thirty minutes later. LOL

             

             

             

             

             

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            BillHartmann | Jun 04, 2008 05:53am | #965

            Maybe they should get you to right an endorsement for their ads.Beside listing the wires that you have in the walls say that the houses is flashed right and won't rot down to the stud in 5 years like all their other houses..
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            Gunner | Jun 04, 2008 05:59am | #966

               Yea and I could tell them about the vinyl porch roof that blew out and they left it open for four months letting all that moisture and whatever else up into the ceiling of the house.

               That's another reason I've decided to move on.

             

             

             

             

             

            Ghey unicorns????

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-VBpLQSPD8&feature=related

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            BillHartmann | Jun 04, 2008 06:00am | #968

            I don't think that I heard about that one..
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            Gunner | Jun 04, 2008 06:15am | #971

                I don't know if I mentioned it or not. That was one of the final straws for me.

             

             

             

             

             

            Ghey unicorns????

             

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            Gunner | Jun 04, 2008 01:33pm | #978

                I hadn't got around to talking about the house they started next to ours either. We could never figure out how they were going to squeeze a house into the last lot on our street and stay within the minimum square footage. After they started framing it it became apparent. They comondered part of our side yard for the driveway. Bunch of hacks.

             

             

             

             

             

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            G80104 | Jun 04, 2008 06:00am | #967

            Best of luck on the Re-model!

            They don't build-um like they used to.

            The New one's ain't cracked up like they claim!

            In the Big Picture, Bet it's all going to be Good!

            That new house just seemed like a polished Turd ?

             But we sure enjoyed following the thread.

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            Gunner | Jun 04, 2008 06:13am | #970

               I'm content right where I'm at. Pour a Patio, remodel the bathroom and it will be all good. I can promise you one thing. I won't be doing a thread on remodeling my current house. I can't take the scrutiny like my builder did. LOL

             

             

             

             

             

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          622. MisterT | Jun 04, 2008 02:34pm | #982

            We're all gonna tell your DW how shid should be done and she's gonna ride yer asz til the cows come home..
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            Gunner | Jun 04, 2008 08:48pm | #983

            She's banned from here. I don't need her figuring out my scams.

             

             

             

             

             

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          624. DavidxDoud | Jun 04, 2008 06:11am | #969

            whoever ends up with the house ought to thank you profusely - that said, you can do better than that design - good luck with your remodel/renovate/new paint, whatever - "there's enough for everyone"

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            Gunner | Jun 04, 2008 06:18am | #972

                The basement was already getting too small for my stuff. Whoever gets it will be a step ahead for the most part.

             

             

             

             

             

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          626. dovetail97128 | Jun 04, 2008 08:30am | #973

            This thread has been so long and attracted so many that I bet you could ask for for a $10 donation from BTer's for earnest money on another home with another builder and we could all do it again. Wouldn't that be fun? ;-)
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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            Gunner | Jun 04, 2008 01:27pm | #975

               Pay per view. I like it.

             

             

             

             

             

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          628. Shep | Jun 04, 2008 01:30pm | #977

            No excuses now.

            You gotta make this year's Fest.

            Poney up with the $

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            Gunner | Jun 04, 2008 01:36pm | #979

                I always intended on going.

             

             

             

             

             

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          630. Shep | Jun 04, 2008 01:59pm | #980

            Sorry.

            I thought there was some possible conflict with the house warming on your now-not-to-be new house?

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            Gunner | Jun 04, 2008 02:32pm | #981

            There are a few conflicts. But I aint gonna miss.it.

             

             

             

             

             

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          632. seeyou | Jun 04, 2008 12:50pm | #974

            I figured that's how it was gonna go the last time we talked. The way you titled this thread says to me that your heart wasn't all the way in on this project.

            Sorry you put all the time and effort into it, but you, the builder, and all of us reading along got a valuable education from it.

            If you're like me and your DW is a little more patient than mine, you can take your time and enjoy your home projects. Seems like it's easier to get it right if you're already living in the house. There's things about my house that I didn't think would bother me until I moved in. And there were things I intended to change, but decided they were fine after I lived with them a while.

            I'll talk to ya in the next week or so. We need to start getting our Fest Faces on.

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            Gunner | Jun 04, 2008 01:29pm | #976

                I mentioned in the first post I think that I was happy where I'm at. Life moves on.

             

             

             

             

             

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          634. DougU | Jun 05, 2008 05:09am | #984

            Well, we pulled the plug on the "dream" today.

            Well there goes the plans for the "09" fest!

            Sheesh.........now what?

            Doug

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            Gunner | Jun 05, 2008 05:27am | #985

               The dream doesn't have to die. Our current back yard is plenty big enough.

             

             

             

             

             

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          636. DougU | Jun 05, 2008 05:50am | #986

            Oh............... OK, thats a relief!

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            Gunner | Jun 05, 2008 06:06am | #988

                  No worries. Always got a spot for beer drinking.

             

             

             

             

             

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          638. MisterT | Jun 05, 2008 02:32pm | #989

            All ya need is a keg to stand next to...sorry and relived for ya big dude...those guys are typical of the lower "end" (as in rear) of this business that perpetuates the shid the rest of us have to overcome every time we deal with a new client.Too bad you /we/someone couldn't just take out a full page ad in the paper to show what these guys really are...or Rasta honky could just give them a dirt nap...Your sister should be ripping them a new one.....
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            Gunner | Jun 06, 2008 05:08am | #990

                  They insist that everything they build is top notch. F em.  My sister thinks they are the greatest. Of course they sign her checks.

             

             

             

             

             

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          640. DougU | Jun 06, 2008 06:30am | #991

            My sister thinks they are the greatest

            And what's she think of you? It probably dont matter to ya but curious if she's given you any shid.

            Doug

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            Gunner | Jun 06, 2008 01:24pm | #993

                Giving me shid? Ohh yea. We've had some pretty big blowouts over it. And I don't care. I'm not backing down. She has tried to make it out like I'm the only azzhole they've ever dealt with. I know different.

             

             

             

             

             

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          642. seeyou | Jun 06, 2008 11:45am | #992

            They insist that everything they build is top notch.

            They may actually think that. I work with one builder that is a clown show compared to most of the others I work with. He honestly thinks he's the best there is. His product is usually pretty good in the end, but has massive amounts of callbacks getting there.http://grantlogan.net

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            Gunner | Jun 06, 2008 01:28pm | #994

               Usualy the people that have to brag about their product have to because they are the only ones that will. These guys I was dealing with always say don't worry we can come back and fix your problems later. My point is I don't want to fix problems later. Especially if you know now that they are going to pop up later.

             

             

             

             

             

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          644. seeyou | Jun 06, 2008 02:10pm | #995

             These guys I was dealing with always say don't worry we can come back and fix your problems later.

            That's the way the guy I was talking about works. And then complains that he's not making any money with me and others charging him for callbacks that were unneccessary if someone knew what was going on the 1st time.

            Yeah - your stress level will probably be a lot lower staying where you are.http://grantlogan.net

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            Matt | Jun 06, 2008 02:28pm | #996

            Whatever quality issues this builder had, there is another side to this story.

            The 'Gunners' family contracted with this building company to have a house built.  The house was built for them - with their color/material selections - with their upgrades - maybe even with some custom changes specifically for them.  Now they are backing out of the deal largely because they can't sell their old house at the price they want.  So, the builder is stuck with a house that is customized for someone who is not gonna buy it... 

            Been there, done that - for example, I built one like that last year.  The people wanted it to "look just like the model".  Made me come in on Saturday so they could pick out their shid.  Had trouble making up their mind, so it pretty much cost me a whole Saturday.  So, then I installed $15k in upgrades.  Come to find out they weren't qualified to buy a house of that price.  They had a prequalification letter and were supposed to supply a loan commitment letter but they kept dragging their feet on that.  Buyer's real estate agent was a "hack".  Turned out they had credit issues.  The house was nearly done by the time this all came to light.  We did sell that house a few months ago - after sitting on it for about 6 months.  Pretty much sold it at the base price of the house - The real buyer got the upgrades for free.  Meantime, we carried the completed house for 6 months including loan payment, insurance, utilities, lawn maintenance, etc. 

            Besides, I'd guess that only one builder in a 1,000 could pass the screwenty of the subs and arm chair quarterbacks here at BT.  Projects with nearly unlimited budgets could.  "Gunners new house" was something like an $85 per heated square foot project (including land).  I know labor rates from state to state vary widely, but I'd bet material rates are pretty similar across the country - subtracting out the large metro areas like NY, LA, and the super remote areas.  That is not to say that a buyer can't expect reasonable quality in any house.  But for $85 a sq ft you aren't gonna get the best.  Not the the best of subs, best of materials, best of construction techniques, best of construction management etc, etc.  

            So, now that the builder is down, let's kick him some more.

          646. MisterT | Jun 06, 2008 03:18pm | #997

            You REALLY think this guy is providing a quality product???You did changes without a significant downpayment???Gunner specifically worded his commitment to give him an escape, if the builder is not meeting his standards it is not gunners fault.Have you even read through tis thread or are you armchair QBing from a few highlights(or low lights) on monday???Defending shoddy workmanship ???Reread thru this and tell us what issues specifically should have been OK and let slide.when someone is making the biggest purchase of their life, they have a right to research and demand proper construction techniques.IMO ...NO not my opinion in FACT this guy screwed the pooch and wanted to sell G the pups...why pay for a House that is starting to fall aprart before you even move in???You need to re-think you standards....
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          647. DougU | Jun 07, 2008 02:25am | #998

            So, now that the builder is down, let's kick him some more.

            Matt, I think your being a bit unfair. I know that your looking at this from the other side and that's all cool but I'd have to disagree with you on the subject of "I'd guess that only one builder in a 1,000 could pass...." we have built a few homes in the last few years and I know that we could pass on all the issues that have been put forth on this thread. I have worked in a few homes by other builders in the area and I'm damn sure they would pass muster on all these issues as well. I'm pretty sure that this isn't an anomaly either.

            Simple tyvec install, that was fuked up from the get go - don't care what your paying for a house it should be installed correctly otherwise leave the stuff in the truck and save some time and aggravation for everybody. Windows not flashed was another thing that went along with this. That stuff gets done right no matter where you come from!

            Deck not attached to the house correctly - should one accept that in a trac home any easier then someone in  a high end home?

            A request for the furnace to be put in a certain location and gunner had to constantly hound them to change it, don't know if he ever did get that done.

            I don't recall all the things that were wrong and without going back and rereading all of them I don't know how gunner and Ms. gunner lasted this long! I know I wouldn't have.

            Gunner was smart enough to have an contingency that allowed him to reject the house, good business on his part - how is that wrong?

            You guys built a house with 15K in upgrades and you didn't get anything in writing to make sure you didn't have to eat it - bad business on your part! I know that the people didn't have the ability to buy but isn't that your (not you personally) responsibility to find that out before hand?

            I don't see the similarity in these two cases.

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            Matt | Jun 07, 2008 05:47am | #1000

            Doug:

            I didn't expect that post to be popular.    It needed to be said though.

            As you say I was simply providing the other view point - from the builder's business aspect. 

            As you realize I greatly respect you and your work as I do Cu's (who posted to me above) and although I'm not in your league working on homes for the stars, I don't build cr@p.  I do build complete homes though.  On the other hand providing exquisite trim work or awesome copper roofs is different than starting with land acquisition & development and delivering a finished home.  As far as I know, the other guy who posted to me above isn't'e even employed in the building industry - I could be wrong about that though. 

            I don't know the specifics of the contract connected directly to this thread but as far as I know most all real estate contracts say that if the buyer isn't able to come up with the money to purchase the property, he is discharged from the contract.   I mean what are you gonna do - squeeze blood out of a rock?  The question of the deposit varies from contract to contract.  Several posts back it was stated: "The builder is wanting to sell us the new house at cost is we take an offer on our current house from another party for fifteen thousand less then our current asking price. "  Sounded fair to me but at that point I saw the writing on the wall.  I'm sure the builder saw it months ago but was just hoping that the deal might go through.  Obviously the builder doesn't have other buyers waiting in line to buy this particular home.   Unfortunately, in NC (as I suspect it is in other states) real estate laws are weighted toward the buyer, and in the case of new home sales, when deals don't come to fruition "buyers" general always get their earnest money back.  Sometimes we get buyers to pay for upgrades outside of the contract though.  In the case of the example I provided I basically begged that the buyer's earnest money not be returned but was told by my boss, the owner of the co, to go build houses and leave the business aspect of things to him.  I could provide another 20 examples...  Desperate times demand desperate measures though...  I think he also has strong business ethics which slant things too. 

            Edit: "I don't see the similarity in these two cases."  The similarity is that in both cases someone contracted to have a house built and then didn't buy it.  So, the builder was stuck with a house that was set up for someone's specific tastes.

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          649. DougU | Jun 07, 2008 06:07am | #1002

            I didn't expect that post to be popular

            Ahhh what is popular on this place!

            I dont think there is anything wrong with your thinking on this subject, we all have opinions on these things,  hell you probably know more about these sort of circumstances then most of us. 

            I felt maybe similar thoughts that Grant did though, maybe best for both the gunners and the home builders. Hopefully the builder will be able to sell it fast and all will be good.

            Doug 

             

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            G80104 | Jun 07, 2008 07:54am | #1003

            "So, the builder was stuck with a house that was set up for someone's specific tastes."

            My take the builder got what they had coming to them! When you try to pass off a polished Turd like that house was, The end results speak for them self. They could'nt build the place right in the first place, Am dam sure any problems after closing would 'nt have been any EZer to get fixed?

              I just feel sorry for the poor slob that gets stuck with it!

            After all they sure did,nt break any speed or qualitity records building that Trac-Shack!

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            Gunner | Jun 07, 2008 08:15am | #1004

               Trac- Shack!? Not really a tract home but built by tract home builder soo... Alright you got me there I guess.

                My sister was beatching to my wife a couple of weeks ago. Seems they have decided to get into the custom home market. Their first totaly custom customer is some sort of engineer who just moved here from Chicago. She told my wife that this  guy is 10 times worse then me. I doubt she'll give me his number to compare notes. :)

             

             

             

             

             

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          652. seeyou | Jun 07, 2008 03:53am | #999

            The house was built for them - with their color/material selections - with their upgrades - maybe even with some custom changes specifically for them.  Now they are backing out of the deal largely because they can't sell their old house at the price they want.  So, the builder is stuck with a house that is customized for someone who is not gonna buy it... 

            I don't think that's necessarily so. This is not a custom home. It's a builder's model and the colors/materials were picked from a list. The builder entered into this deal with contingencies and knew what they were.

            The Gunner's opted out. A deal's a deal. I think both paries were glad to be done with each other. Sounds like win-win to me.http://grantlogan.net

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          653. DougU | Jun 07, 2008 05:49am | #1001

            Who got Bo Diddley's money?

             

            Your tag caught my attention, been listening to some interviews with Bo on Sirius - Bo got screwed!

            Back to the gunners.

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            JeffBuck | Jun 07, 2008 08:33am | #1005

            "So, now that the builder is down, let's kick him some more."

             

            fact is ... the builder never hooked the fish.

            had one on the line ... hook set deep ...

            but he wriggled off.

             

            spit it back.

             

             

            who's "fault" is that.

            in sales ... it's the sales teams fault.

            not the fish.

             

            if they had a solid product to sell.

            the sale woulda went thru.

             

            your product should sell itself ...

            not make the buyer rationalize their purchase

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          655. MisterT | Jun 07, 2008 03:17pm | #1007

            not the sales team either...they were trying to catch perch with a live Piranha for bait even a Gunny-fish Knows if he goes after that bait he is in a heap o trouble!!Matt has a right to be mad tho, this quality+value #### is ruining the business for hack builders...Mediocre at Best Home Building....just don't roll of the tongue the same....
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            Gunner | Jun 07, 2008 08:45am | #1006

               It's called a contingency for a reason.

                The guy didn't lose out all that bad. He got a free prewire on a bad #### alarm, and surround sound system. As well as a prewire for an automated home lighting system. I also paid for and installed  soffit lighting, and recessed lighting in the kitchen and master bath. That's a couple grand worth of upgrades on his price chart. I almost forgot about the insulation I bought and installed in the attached garage. That's another thousand dollar upgrade. I don't expect any of that back. Like Seeyou said. We picked our stuff from their charts and samples. And then we repicked them a couple more times when they found out that different stuff we had picked was discontinued. Calling customers back time and again to rechoose stuff seems to make more sense then updating their options with their suppliers every so often.  I think the two standout features that we picked out will definitely help sell the house faster. Hardwood floors throughout the first floor looks much better on an open floor plan if you ask me.

                I've left some stuff out of this story  just because I got tired of beetching about it here. A perimeter drain filled full of mud ain't never good. Back filling the front porch with scrap wood and then pouring concrete on top of it ain't good either. Every house in the neighborhood but ours that he built is backfilled above the weep holes. Plain and simple they don't know what they are doing. I don't feel bad for him. Especially since he spends a week  a month on vacation.

               F him.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          657. MisterT | Jun 07, 2008 03:21pm | #1008

            man this guy is a class action suit waiting to happen!!!Shaggy could go down there and make him wish here were never born...one of his other disgruntled HOs comes here and put 2+2 together....scares me....
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            Gunner | Jun 07, 2008 03:40pm | #1010

               That's what I was trying to point out to them when the galvanized nail deal came up. I explained that it whether you use them or not might not make a difference in the long run. But if the right lawyer and a pizzed off group of home owners comes along and they get hold of something like that then it's a slam dunk. The manufacture spells it out on the tag on every piece of lumber that there are only two types of fasteners that can be used. And it's also in the building code. They arrange it so they get their framing inspection after the house is bricked and insulated. The BI told me they do this through political pressure with the county judge who is over the local code enforcment. I believe a high school debate captain with a suit from the Good Will store could win that one pretty easy.

             

             

             

             

             

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            Matt | Jun 07, 2008 03:35pm | #1009

            I think you and Grant are correct in that at this point both the builder's guys and you are happy to be done with it.   The Builder himself - probably not.  The way that works is the "big guy" himself (or his company) gets the profit, and the employees deal with the hassles.    For example, my job is to make it all good.  My boss never needs to hear about the hoops that I have to jump through to make it all happen - except if it includes something that is gonna cost a lot of $$$.  His answer is always the same though - make it right for as little $ as is possible.  I know he has done all this himself in years past, so he doesn't have to hear any wining from me.  Very occasionally though I do ask him how to resolve a problem.  OTOH, if I ever did anything to prevent the closing of a deal, and he got wind of it, I'm sure I'd be called on the carpet.

            Also, I knew about the low voltage wiring but didn't know it was that extensive.  Didn't know about the insulation in the garage, nor the soffit lighting - although I'm shocked they let you do that last item.  Anyway, these definitely change things for your specific instance - the other party did get some significant benefits from the dissolved relationship.  They might likely need to warranty your work though.

            To me though the fact that they let you do this stuff at least shows some level of effort to get along with you - the customer.

            Not putting wood anywhere under the house in the backfill is building 101 as is the weep hole thing.  The deck attachment thing creeped me out.

            Bottom line in your specific instance is that it sounds like this is a building company being run at least partially by people who aren't pro builders.  It was a circus - complete with clowns.  :-) Still, I wanted to present the other viewpoint.

            Many people, including realestate agents seem  to think builders are making money hand over fist and the whole process is like falling off a log - even a cave man could do it...  Realestate agents, in my mind are notorious for this.  I recently told one that if we sold a particular house for "that" proposed contract price we would be loosing money.  His reaction - blank stare.  Another time the RE broker (boss man) told me that I was spending too much building houses and that he could cut $7k off my framing expenses.  My response was that my material cost is roughly 7k and and framing labor cost is around $7k, so, which one should I cut out?  :-)

            Also though I can't stand that attitude of we can fix anything later.  I think a lot of the national builders operate on that premise.  They have line items in their budgets to cover warranty work.  We call that overhead and try to minimize it.  They use their customers to "debug" their homes.  Then their customer service surveys show that customers were pleased how polite and professional their punch guys were on their 20 trips back to the house and that they kept at until it was right.  My idea is to build a product that doesn't need any warranty work.  Once I build a house and it is sold, I never want to go in it again.  I hate working around people's furniture, and end up doing as much cleaning as fixing - can't stand that.    Still some things like nail pops and the need to recaulk some moldings is inevitable.

            BTW - something like 16 years ago DW and I had a house built.  It was a similar deal to yours, although the items were not nearly as serious.  It started when they forgot to pour the footer for the optional fireplace.  There was one part where the framers made a serious mistake and then siding, roofing and wiring got piled on top of it.  I told the builder's super that if it wasn't fixed I was gonna walk.  It could have been just left as is and probably not many people would have noticed it.  At this point I probably can't tell you 1/10th of the other stuff that went wrong though - but in the end I was OK with what I got.  I felt it was an appropriate value.  The super and I parted on good terms and even went fishing with him and his buddies once.  He needed someone to fill out a charter rental.  We sold the house maybe 6 years later for a good return on investment.   My point being that I've been on both sides of this - to some degree.  The reason I say to some degree is that I've never had a customer who was involved as you (or I was 16 years ago) in the building process, although if I did I wouldn't be too worried.   

          660. seeyou | Jun 07, 2008 03:43pm | #1011

            Good post, Matt.

            A lot of the stuff that happened on Gunner's house really floored me. For the most part, the GC's I work for and around just wouldn't allow a lot of those things to happen and if they did, they'd catch them and fix them before the homeowner was wise to it. Mistakes happen, but as you said, most of this mess was building 101.

            I've never had a customer who was involved as you (or I was 16 years ago) in the building process, although if I did I wouldn't be too worried.   

             

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            Gunner | Jun 07, 2008 04:16pm | #1012

                Right on.

               They let me do it because I know the electrician. Actually I used to be his helper, so he knows I'm going to do it right. And I'm family. It was a favor to me. The builder himself probably doesn't even know I did it. He's pretty removed from the process. The head super is the one that suggested I insulate the garage myself. He's the only one that has got it together. Former Army Ranger that built houses for sixteen years before taking this gig. He only stays because it pays good and he doesn't have to scramble for work. But the nepotism and baptist connections run so deep that he's screwed as far as getting people that can actually function as construction supervisors. He has a couple that are top notch but for the most part they are just clerks wearing boots. Well actually the one I had wasn't even smart enough to wear boots. (Wore sandals and tennis shoes anytime I saw him.) As a result of the nepotism and hiring through church connections they are pretty dysfunctional. If they don't like what he's telling them then they change channels and go around him.

               I'll give you an example of the screw ups. They found out recently that they have been paying someone else's electric bill for the last two years.

             

             

             

             

             

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          662. rez | Jun 07, 2008 05:02pm | #1013

            dang gunner,

            Pouring concrete over wood scraps and the tyvex deal is enough without all the other.

            Enjoyed the video presentations of the place tho'.Thanks for sharing.

             

            be putting your cash in a reno on yer place and glide on like a Stanmobile above the clouds. 

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            Gunner | Jun 07, 2008 06:01pm | #1014

                I repainted and spruced up getting the place ready to sell. So my renos will be a patio and a new bathroom, furnace, and ac. And new counter tops. Higher dollar stuff but good stuff non the less. 

               My wife had also decided that our neighborhood was actually better then she thought. Dead end street, quite, close to the interstate but out of the way, all that. Then three neighbors bought Harleys and start rumbling up and down the street bright and early on the weekends. And the guy next door who is one of the Harley owners decides to tune his bike and cut his grass first thing this morning. She was on the chip over that. :) I smiled and told her. "We took the for sale sign down. He doesn't have to kiss your butt anymore to keep you from wanting to move." That's the first time he's done that since we told them we were gonna move. LOL

             

             

             

             

             

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          664. DanT | Jun 07, 2008 08:09pm | #1016

            Man, you weren't near as grumpy or picky before the rice thing and the broken ribs.  Geez.  A few little things like structural issues and you stiff the guy.  Matt is right, you're a nood.  But a thin one.  DanT

          665. MisterT | Jun 07, 2008 08:54pm | #1017

            He was much Jollier as a fat guy....
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            Gunner | Jun 07, 2008 10:36pm | #1018

               Yea and I was HUGE IN JAPAN!

             

             

             

             

             

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            Gunner | Jun 07, 2008 10:39pm | #1019

                   I was grumpy and picky before. Well not picky. I'd eat anything. LOL

             

             

             

             

             

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          668. Piffin | Jun 08, 2008 01:02am | #1020

            Just catching up here again.I thpught this thread was dead once you backed off the bad deal.Then Matt wrote in a whole new chapter. Shall we call it the apocrypha? 

             

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            Gunner | Jun 08, 2008 01:09am | #1021

                I guess it could be considered that.

             

             

             

             

             

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          670. MisterT | Jun 08, 2008 05:04am | #1022

            know fayr youzeen big wurds!!!.
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            Matt | Jun 08, 2008 02:25pm | #1024

            Not sure I understand your use of the word "apocrypha" but I think I get the flavor of it.  Again I was giving another view point - from a business standpoint. 

            Let me clarify something in your mind for you though: People who don't actually build new homes on a regular basis and haven't been stiffed on a few haven't felt this pain of the deal gone down the drain.  Consider it a learning opportunity.  You probably won't be out buying land and building houses, so you likely won't learn it that way - or - maybe I'm wrong: have you ever built a house for someone and then not had them buy it?

            Another point I forgot mention is the fact that the house could have been available on the market for a number of months that it wasn't.

            Again, I'm not slamming Gunners.  But there are 2 sides to every story.  I think he understands that.  With the economy the way it is it may have been a super-smart move on his part.

          672. Piffin | Jun 08, 2008 06:17pm | #1029

            I don't know why you felt the need to reply to me and defend yourself. You have already explained your position well and I never argued with it. I used the word apoc4rypha in the sense of the meaning "that which comes after"So there was no need to clarify anything for me."You probably won't be out buying land and building houses, so you likely won't learn it that way - or - maybe I'm wrong: have you ever built a house for someone and then not had them buy it?"No need to talk down to me either. You nor I know whether I am likely to be doing that, but I did work closely once in CO with a builder who was in that position and learned from it. As a matter of fact, I was in a position fairly close to what your position is now in your job. Close enough to see all the detail but not invested enough to get hurt by it. 

             

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            Matt | Jun 08, 2008 10:12pm | #1030

            I misunderstood your use of the word "apocrypha".  I thought it basically meant 'false' - so, I apologize.

            In the context of  "That which comes after"  your statment is appropriate.

             

          674. DanT | Jun 08, 2008 10:46pm | #1032

            "Let me clarify something in your mind for you though: People who don't actually build new homes on a regular basis and haven't been stiffed on a few haven't felt this pain of the deal gone down the drain.  Consider it a learning opportunity.  You probably won't be out buying land and building houses, so you likely won't learn it that way - or - maybe I'm wrong: have you ever built a house for someone and then not had them buy it?"

            Oh stop it already.  Everyone in this business whether it is remodeling, new construction, sub work, dirt work etc. that has been in business for a period of time has been stiffed!  At least when you get stuck you still have the house!  When a remodeler (me) gets stiffed they have the house and my product in the damn thing. 

            I have a client right now that I can't get my final payment from as she ran out of money on her hair salon remodel.  She is open for business in her building that has my work in it.  So now what.  Go to court?  Sure and win!  Except she still doesn't have the money.  In our state if you go after wages or profit you have to go up to the courthouse weekly and file.  And then you have to hope someone isn't their first as they get first dibs.

            My point is we all have to deal with business issues.  You make it sound like a home builder is the only guy that has to go through the emotional experience of being stuck for the money.  Bad new pal, we all live it.  It is part of real business in the real world.  DanT

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            Gunner | Jun 08, 2008 05:19am | #1023

                 We went over to my sisters tonight to sign our official release. She says they are going to use our house as a model home. Non of their model homes and spec houses have anything other then basic carpet vinyl and formica in them. They don't spend an extra penny on curb appeal. She also asked me if I'd go over the security system wiring for them as they are going to go ahead and put that in. I told her all the wires are labeled but I didn't have a problem going over the layout with them and showing them what's what.

                She also told me about their other big problem. Their building a house for Homearma this year. $750,000.00 will probably be the end cost. Pretty stupid house to build in this economy. But anyway the owner of the company is running the build on this house himself. It's his baby and I guess he was kind of arrogant about it when he announced that he was going to show them how to build a house. Anyway I guess all the lots are tight together they were back filling the yard the other day and they hit the foundation with the hi lift and busted a wall open. The basement was already drywalled and ready for paint. That's got to suck. 

             

             

             

             

             

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            Matt | Jun 08, 2008 02:34pm | #1025

            Not meaning to beat a dead horse here but why did it take so long for them to build the house?  Also, what did your sister think about the outcome?

            Regarding the "they were back filling the yard the other day and they hit the foundation with the hi lift and busted a wall open."  That just comes under the category of shid happens.  Does seem a bit odd that they would be backfilling that late in the game though.  Reminds me of the thread "Spec House from Hell."  Definitely a demo of shid happens and it's not so easy a cave man could do it.

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            Gunner | Jun 08, 2008 04:30pm | #1028

                Part of the reason it took them so long is I made them redo the Tyvek and take out all the doors and windows and flash and install them properly. That was probably a whole month of trying to beat that into their heads. Then they laid off of it so they could concentrate on getting several other houses ready for closings before the  end of the fiscal year.

                  Then the rain started. And the last couple of months they say they have been hanging back as a favor to us so we could get this house sold. It's becoming apparent. That they were stalling hoping we wouldn't get it. A few reasons for that could be. I specked the deck to be fastened  above ground with brackets to poured concrete peers . The deck guy either ignored or didn't know what to do with the brackets so he went ahead and set the posts, dumped a bag of ready mix in the hole and back filled with mud. The deck was framed up when I saw it. They were going to have to take the posts back out and redo them. That's when the stalling started.

                  Also on the covered porch section of the deck the vinyl blew out last winter. They never fixed it. It's open all the way across. No barrier between the outside porch roof and the attic of the house. So all that moisture from the rain and snow is getting sucked up in there. The last meeting I had with the main super we looked at it and he agreed that the two should have been separated. In fact the next day the material was delivered to do it with. I think that was back in late Feb. or early April. They still haven't done anything to it. Still open and drawing moisture into the attic. I have been chirping about that for awhile so they knew that was going to be a problem. They tried to lie and say that they had to have a specialist show them how to attach the vinyl to the porch roof. Also the drywall in several places is twisted and bowed. They know I would make them re-do that. Especially when I documented during the framing that they needed to fix those spots before drywall. There was going to be a lot of redoes before we would sign. Their attitude was stall and pray I would go away. I guess it worked.

                As far as my sister. She seems cool with it. I also believe that she was the one initiating the stall and pray policy. Her husband is the agent on this house so they know how many people are looking at it and if it's going to sell.

               One of the lessons here and the one that I could not get into my wife's thick head in the beginning is. Never deal money with friends or family.  She's agreed that the next time we do this it's not going to involve either.

               One of the last arguments I had with my sister was about a month ago. She brought up something that I had told the head super. I told him that when we did the final walk through on the house and signed the papers I wanted him there and not the super that was assigned to us. I called him a deceitful uneducated lying scum bag. And said that he'd never be welcome in my presence after trying to brick the house up with the Tyvek all ripped up and flapping in the wind. The head super went back and told the guy how I felt about him. He did it as a warning to pull his act together I'm not the only customer that thinks that way I guess. Anyway she tried to throw that statement in my face as an example of how difficult I am. The guy is a preacher in a local church also. She thinks that gives him reverence above everyone else. I told her that I was not going to apologize, or back off of my statement. What the guy tried to pull was criminal and he saw absolutely nothing wrong with it. F him. I can't blame her that much. She has to drink the kool-aid. He is just a lowlife scum bag that doesn't care about anyone or anything but himself.

                Sorry if you don't think you needed the last part. Today is upper body day and I get all psycho after a workout. I might have to go and find a homeless guy to punch out just to feel better.

             

             

             

             

             

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            Matt | Jun 08, 2008 04:09pm | #1026

            PS - nobody can say: "Matt doesn't like to stir the pot". :-) 

          679. MisterT | Jun 08, 2008 04:21pm | #1027

            I understand yer point but you got to understand that this forum was built by and exists because of people who don't let substandard $h!t slide by as acceptable building practice..It is hard enough for a reputable contractor (almost an oxymoron to the uninformed)) to over come the negative stigma guys like that give the entire industry.Yeah there are 2 sides to every story but the other side of THIS story is a hack job (actually several) being built and and sold as quality construction.That builder got everything he deserved actually less because $h!+ like that should be plastered on the front page to warn unsuspecting consumers not to invest 30 years of payments in a money pit...If you can't understand how this hits raw nerve here maybe you should hang out on the real estate forums...;).
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          680. DanT | Jun 08, 2008 10:37pm | #1031

            After having lunch last year I told Candy that deal didn't sound good.  I told her that if it continued on the path it was on you would pull the plug.  Sorry I was right.  Sorry in the respect you went through all the sh9t and ended up without the gravy.  I think you did the right thing.  After you put them on notice a few times I can't believe they continued to screw up.  DanT

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            Gunner | Jun 08, 2008 10:57pm | #1033

               It didn't sound good to me from the begining actualy but I was hoping against hope that it would upright itself and become something good. My wife lost a lot of sleep over it. I didn't. The biggest part of that is because I always had an out, and wouldn't let myself get into something I couldn't get out of. If I had the bank draw on the deal and these guys were building it I'd have been a maniac. Or on trial for murder. :)

             

             

             

             

             

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          682. DougU | Jun 09, 2008 03:33am | #1034

            Damn, I had to click back and see when this thread started, 6- 07, been a damn year!

            Hell you deserve a break today, stop in to your local pub and put one on my tab. Hell, get a round for everybody.

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            Gunner | Jun 09, 2008 05:27am | #1035

               Yep been a year. I wonder what I'll get into by this time next year. Nothing will be fine with me. LOL

             

             

             

             

             

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            JeffBuck | Jun 09, 2008 07:09am | #1036

            "Nothing will be fine with me. LOL "

             

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            nothing ... ever is fine with you ...

            U picky bastard!

             

            nothing!

            nothing at all ... never good enough.

             

             

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          685. dovetail97128 | Jun 07, 2008 07:07pm | #1015

            Matt, nothing personal here at all. From what I have read in your posts you bust butt to see things are done right, but here is my take on it. ""At this point I probably can't tell you 1/10th of the other stuff that went wrong though - but in the end I was OK with what I got. I felt it was an appropriate value. ""....""We sold the house maybe 6 years later for a good return on investment. "" OK, so you were a knowledgeable customer as was Gunner. Most who buy from the builders Gunner and You purchased from are not.
            How much of a value would any uneducated customer have gotten out of either of your houses if they were in your shoes?
            Value can be derived at several different ways. Market value at resale, which often has zero to do with the quality of building but is tied closely to the location is one. What I will call "real value" is another, real value is whether the product can stand alone on it's merits as having been well built to start with. What I mean is the fact that both of you caught obvious and serious mistakes and oversights and had them fixed is actually what gave you the value in your deals. The average customer pays for that kind of value but doesn't receive it. Gunner knows from observation that the entire sub-development is full of places with the same kind of screw up's that haven't been caught and repaired. To me this situation is what is wrong with the housing development industry at large. It is the attitude of "it's is cheaper to wait to see if we get busted and then we will fix it" as opposed to "lets do it right to start with".
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

          686. seeyou | Jun 05, 2008 05:52am | #987

            Our current back yard is plenty big enough.

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            Gunner | Apr 23, 2008 05:36am | #927

               Dude.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          688. rez | Apr 23, 2008 07:44am | #931

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          689. MisterT | Apr 23, 2008 01:44pm | #933

            true dat..
            he definately has to pimp that place up!;).
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          690. rez | Apr 23, 2008 05:55pm | #936

            That's defiantly.

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          691. rez | Apr 18, 2008 07:23pm | #856

            Columns are a reeeee-ally delicate thing to try to incorporate into the interiors of modern housing.

            I'm tempted to say they should never even be used in 8ft ceilings. But I'm just a homeboy scratching in the dirt so what do I know about anything.

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 02:59am | #861

                 Kind of a long boring story. They are shown on the original plans. My wife was all hot and horny for them at first but as the house started taking shape she decided she didn't want them. So they had been left out. Well a crack appeared in the ceiling. The super decided that the columns need to be there for support. There is a double LVL across there I would figure that's enough support. The super super thinks it's just the hanger where the two walls intersect telegraphing through. He wanted to watch it some more. And I agree. Well the last meeting I had with him apparently pissed off some people including my sister. He and I get along pretty good and he takes up for me. Especially my distaste for his underling the super that's in charge of my house. (did I tell you this was long and boring?) 

               Anyway he can't really fire the guy because his boss hired him out of the first baptist hiring hall and now the guy has like four relatives working there. So whenever he can he rips his ####. When he came back from meeting me last time he lit into his #### I guess he told him that I didn't like him at all and I wouldn't do a final walk through with him. It's all true but he is more uncouth then I am so it tends to pizz people off more. It also pizzed my sister off since her and the stupid super are buddies. So they decided to go by the plans for once and put the columns in there. A little office politics I guess.

               They don't look as bad as I thought they would and I think they will grow on me. They are solid buggers I know that. Well that is until Mike started screwing with my head about sizing and all that. 

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          693. dovetail97128 | Apr 19, 2008 03:56am | #872

            Just for kicks you might want to check your plans against reality and see if there is support under the floor for those beauties. What with the superb quality they have been delivering the columns might be standing on nothing but flooring. Nothing like posts setting on tissue paper to hold up the beam that is settling if you get my sag..
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 04:22am | #873

               I've been over it with them. The main support beam for the house is on the right side of the stairs. One column sits pretty close to on top of it and the other something like two foot away. They say that's fine.

                That's a question I should ask here I guess. Is it O.K?

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          695. frammer52 | Apr 20, 2008 02:01am | #894

            As far as being close enough, well I guess by now you realize that close doesn't cut it if they are really structural.

            I was taught that at the least there should be some wood directly underneath structural load, not close enough.

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            FatRoman | Apr 18, 2008 01:12pm | #846

            Doug's right, it's the way they usually look. See here for an example that's much like yours, though much older... http://cti.itc.virginia.edu/~arth101/images-photoCD/jpegs/PCD3422-53.JPEGThey don't always have to be like that, though. Here's another example from antiquity when Gunner Augustus made the builder change his mind...
            http://www.alalinc.net/library/tour_text/images/capital1lg.jpgA whole universe of columns and capitals are here... http://images.google.com/images?q=column+capitalTo me it looks funny because the column appears too skinny. But once the columns are painted the same color as the capitals I think it'll stand out less.How many columns do you have there anyway? Looks like there's at least three from the perspective of the last shot. 'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 03:01am | #862

                I guess I'm wrong.  It just looks weird to me.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          698. seeyou | Apr 19, 2008 01:57pm | #877

            I'm not a big fan of columns inside the house and rules is rules. But, all that being said, in your situation, I think they look fine as is. Any bigger and they start to take over the area.

            If there was just one of them, a bigger dia might look OK to my eye, but that's not the case.http://grantlogan.net/

             

            But you all knew that.  I detailed it extensively in my blog.

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 03:42pm | #878

                  I don't think I'm going to dick around with them. Leave em as is. Might wrap Christmas lights around them or something. On the bright side of it. How many guys have dual stripper poles in their living room? Make that how many Married guys do you know that has dual stripper poles in their living room?

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            BillHartmann | Apr 19, 2008 09:49pm | #889

            Just be glad that you are not in Texas.Or you would have to pay a pole tax on them.http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iJ4AegAKobAE-MXhOqkO6HLtPhgQD904J1VO1.
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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 10:04pm | #890

               Tha man is always trying to ruin a good time.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          702. dovetail97128 | Apr 19, 2008 10:28pm | #891

            I was going to say something about two poles and needing two wives but then thought better of it given the current goings on.
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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            FatRoman | Apr 19, 2008 05:56pm | #887

            Hey you know, end of the day, it's got to look good to you. And if you think it looks like a$$ the way it is, don't be bashful about changing it. The rules were meant to be broken.And I'll be excited about your stripper poles when I see some strippers on them. Until that point, they're columns :)'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 07:53pm | #888

               You lack vision.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

              Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a woman's man, no time to talk. .

             

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          705. Piffin | Apr 18, 2008 02:36pm | #850

            the capitals are right for the columns, but I'm less sure that the columns are right for the home - but it is kind of eclectic overall. Do those columns use entasis or are they just straight from top to bottom? 

             

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 03:11am | #864

               I wouldn't know an entice from a ham sammich. But the column has got some shape to it. They aren't just straight.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

              Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a woman's man, no time to talk. .

             

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            Matt | Apr 19, 2008 03:16am | #867

            I think the term is actually entasis...

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 03:21am | #870

              I think he was using his Maine accent when he typed it.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          709. reinvent | Apr 20, 2008 05:37pm | #899

            If I read down a little bit first I could have avoided that last post.

          710. reinvent | Apr 20, 2008 05:35pm | #898

            It's spelled 'Entasis'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entasis

          711. Piffin | Apr 20, 2008 09:45pm | #904

            I had to go back to my post and check. These guys had me thinking I'd spelled it wrongly 

             

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          712. DougU | Apr 20, 2008 11:49pm | #905

            Who would ever question your spelling!

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            bp21901 | Apr 18, 2008 06:19pm | #855

            Did they drywall the beam before putting the structural columns under it, and if they did when they put the columns up did they remove the drywall between the column and the beam? I couldn't tell from these pics or the ones in the prior posts.

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 03:16am | #868

               They just put the beams up the other day. I doubt the removed the drywall. I'll have to put that in my ammo pouch.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            G80104 | Apr 01, 2008 04:10am | #786

            With the hardwood, time to trim Doggies nails!

            Looking Good!

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            Gunner | Apr 01, 2008 04:33am | #788

               She's overdo for a trimming. believe it or not that's the one thing she will let any stranger do but not me. I can grap her, throw her down give her a zerbert. Or throw her in the tub and give her a bath with no complaints. But try to trim them nails and it's Katy bar the door. Anyone else can come right up to her and snip, snip, snip with no hassle.

               Go figure.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

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          717. WINSTALL | Apr 18, 2008 09:38pm | #857

            THEY DID NOT CAULK UNDER THE DOOR.... THEY CAN JACK UP THE PORCH ALL THEY WANT AND IT WILL NOT CURE THE WATER COMING IN..... I UNLOAD A TUBE UNDER EVERY DOOR I REPLACE.... I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NEW DOOR YET THAT HAD CAULK UNDER IT WHEN I TAKE IT OUT TO REPLACE IT..... GOOD LUCKAs long as GOD makes "bad builders" and rich people... I will have a job

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            Luka | Apr 18, 2008 10:01pm | #858

            Why are you yelling ?


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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 02:35am | #859

               Winstall can yell all he wants. He's the man. He also gets one of the chairs of honor at the house warming if we ever have one.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Gunner | Apr 19, 2008 03:29am | #871

               They are actually gong to jack hammer out the porch and redo the flashing on the foundation. Apparently they have been having a problem with that type of porch. They are also going to caulk the sill.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Matt | Mar 16, 2008 04:26pm | #762

            >> The Decking is ACQ. Yea I know, but there's a difference between what I want and what I can afford.  <<

            The ACQ will do fine for you as long as it is maintained.  That means a good coat of stain 3 months after it's installed and every 2 yrs thereafter.  The idea is to limit the extremes of the moisture cycling.

            Here - you see 99% wood decks on new homes until you get up around $700k.  To the other extreme, it doesn't even make sense to put a composite or exotic wood deck on a house under maybe $250k - kinda like a solid gold hood ornament on a Hyundai.

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            Gunner | Mar 16, 2008 08:26pm | #765

               Well mines under $250,000 Slightly.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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            Matt | Mar 16, 2008 10:41pm | #767

            Looks like you are getting a lot for $250k...  Must be partially the difference in cost of living between here and there...  

            All in all I think you will get a good house.  They just needed a little help on the management end... :-)

          724. seeyou | Mar 17, 2008 12:43am | #768

            Well mines under $250,000 Slightly.

            Including the lot? Jeezey Pete! You couldn't get that built here for less than 300K plus lot. And you'd be able to stand between your house and your neighbor's on both sides and stretch out your arms and lay your palms on vinyl on both sides. http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Mar 17, 2008 01:14am | #770

                  That's why we've been enduring through all the BS. I think the original price started at $215,000 But we've done some upgrades that will bring it up. And the lot is freaking huge. That might have to be my next video production. The lot and house from the outside.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          726. MisterT | Mar 14, 2008 08:15pm | #747

            When you go to closing bring a bill for tuition at Gunners College of Fine Homebuilding.List all us guys here as the Faculty.Piffin can be DeanGrant can be activities directorthe FHB mods can be the dorm resident advisers? campus securityAny one who hosted a fest can be Food service.there's a bunch here who qualify for the psycology departmentand the liberal arts deptand the performing artsand the Rathskeller and frat boys..and the business management deptYou get the point..I figure about 75 grand ought to cover it.
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            Gunner | Mar 16, 2008 08:00am | #757

               If we ever get to closing they probably won't even speak to me. I never taken joy in people resenting me before. But since I'm one hundred percent in the right. I love it. I'm thinking about doing this for a living. Get a shmuck builder to build a house and harrass them until they jump off a cliff. Or give up and move out of state.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

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          728. MisterT | Mar 16, 2008 04:58pm | #763

            Rasta Honky Home(y) Inspectors Inc.We put the Voodoo on your builders doodoo!!!.
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            Gunner | Mar 16, 2008 08:27pm | #766

               Rasta Honky home inspections. Do it ight or I'll shoot you in the face with a flare gun! That would make a great business card.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

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          730. seeyou | Mar 17, 2008 12:44am | #769

            What time did you and Terry get done last night?http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Mar 17, 2008 01:21am | #771

              We left the bank at around 10:30 last night. I think we rolled into the shop about midnite. I was gassed. Meaning spent. I usually bounce back pretty good but I slept till noon today then the wife and I layed around in bed for awhile surfing our laptops before we decided to go over to the East end. (Don't worry all this has a reason) Thats where I screwed up. I took her into World Market. I tried to get her to go in there and look around six months ago but she blew me off. Now she's all charged up to get the new house again and decorate. All this after I told you yesterday I almost had her talked out of it. Me and my stupid ideas. She wants to lower the price on this one and get it moving. I'm F'd again.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

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          732. seeyou | Mar 17, 2008 01:50am | #772

            All this after I told you yesterday I almost had her talked out of it. Me and my stupid ideas.

            You oughta know by now to quit trying to outwit women.http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Mar 17, 2008 01:52am | #773

               Damn straight. It's a lot like trying to eat soup with a knife.

             

             

             

             

             

             

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          734. MikeSmith | Mar 17, 2008 02:39am | #774

            good book..  a little slow.. but one of the basic textsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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            Gunner | Mar 17, 2008 02:49am | #775

               I was looking at it in the bookstore today and had to make a decision between that one or "Licensed to kill, hired guns in the war on terror." I went with the latter. No reason it just won the coin toss.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

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          736. reinvent | Mar 15, 2008 06:27pm | #754

            You should show those bone heads this web page:
            http://www.deckfailure.com/index.html
            and ask them how big a law suit are they prepared for.

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            Gunner | Mar 16, 2008 07:42am | #755

               Awesome site. Thanks.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            Pop, lock, and drop it.

             

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            Luka | Mar 16, 2008 10:28am | #760

            RODLMFAO !!!It's a website about failed decks.About halfway down on the right side, is a pic of a beach cabin that completely collapsed.....Except for the deck, which was left standing high in the air !;o)


            Life doesn't often leave a very easy trail to follow.

          739. reinvent | Mar 16, 2008 03:44pm | #761

            Yah thats a great shot. I think the deck builder and the home builder were two different contractors.

          740. MisterT | Mar 16, 2008 05:00pm | #764

            The home builder is suing the deck builder..."If you had properly fastened your deck to the house, it would have held up the house".
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          741. andyfew322 | Feb 17, 2008 07:59am | #704

            looks great. almost ready to move in it seems 

            Ductape can fix EVERYTHING!!!

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            Gunner | Feb 17, 2008 10:57am | #707

               Getting closer. Got to sell this place now. Hey what's your credit score? Got a really nice starter home for ya kid. :)

             

             

             

             

             

             

            So you can take that cookie.And stick it up your, yeah!!Stick it up your, yeah!!,Stick it up your, yeah!!

             

             

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          743. MikeSmith | Feb 09, 2008 10:48pm | #680

            gunner.....

            <<<<They just show up with a bag of pot and some tools and do stuff all day.>>>>

            and your point is what ?

            hey... speaking of heat, what kind of insulation and what r-values are they using ?

            i missed that part of the class , teachMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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            Gunner | Feb 10, 2008 12:00am | #681

                  I avoided that on purpose. Let's just say they aint no Mooney walls.

             

             

             

             

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            Gunner | Feb 10, 2008 12:25am | #682

               Don't let me mislead you with that last one. It's a middle of the road insulation job. I'm not an insulation nerd but I think it was R-19 I might be wrong. I'll have to check. We don't get the drastic winters like you guys do so it's not a big topic.

             

             

             

             

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          746. MikeSmith | Feb 10, 2008 12:48am | #683

            no.. i understand that.... but the heating and cooling  is usually  a function of the insulation  & air sealing

            anyways... r u excited yet ?

            looking forward to christening each room ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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            Gunner | Feb 10, 2008 01:28am | #684

                I'm not all that excited to tell you the truth. If I get an offer on the house I live in now then I'll be chomping at the bit.

             

             

             

             

            "I wonder if Heaven got a Ghetto."  Tupac

             

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          748. seeyou | Feb 10, 2008 01:36am | #685

            If I get an offer on the house I live in now

            Anybody kicking the tires?http://grantlogan.net/

             

            I refuse to accept that there are limitations to what we can accomplish.        Pete (I am so in love with myself) Draganic

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            Gunner | Feb 10, 2008 02:17am | #687

               We've had a couple. One has looked at it twice but hasn't called back. He's in his sixties and wants to sell his farm and move into town. His sister lives across the street so that would be a good one to sell to. The other was the son of a couple down the street. I think they were just nosey and wanted to use him as an excuse to see what's inside.

             

             

             

             

            "I wonder if Heaven got a Ghetto."  Tupac

             

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          750. seeyou | Feb 10, 2008 03:32am | #689

            I just noticed today that the days are getting longer. People will be out shopping longer. You had the open house yet?http://grantlogan.net/

             

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            Gunner | Feb 10, 2008 04:10am | #691

               Open house is a last resort thing. My brother in law is handling the listing. He's a good agent, had a two million dollar year last year so I think he's got the skills. He doesn't like to do them Maybe in a couple of weeks I'll twist his arm. the wife and I have been talking about putting it up on Craigs list too. There's been several distribution warehouses going up here lately I'm hoping to snag someone relocating maybe.

             

             

             

             

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            Sphere | Feb 10, 2008 05:00am | #692

            Just be sure to have your stuff safe if you have people wandering in and out, even with a realtor showing the place..I had a camera ripped off that way..stupid me left it out (in its case) and they left the case..so I didn't know about it till days later.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            Gunner | Feb 12, 2008 03:18am | #693

               Son of a frigging buck. I tried to get hold of the super over my house this morning. Called the VP of construction. He told me that they did some switching around and the original super was back on my house. I cussed. He apoligized and said that if I wanted he'd meet me out there whenever I wanted and he'd go over whatever I wanted to.

               If I go through any of the BS that I did last time this chuckle head was in charge, I'm gonna tell them to stick it.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            So you can take that cookie.And stick it up your, yeah!!Stick it up your, yeah!!,Stick it up your, yeah!!

             

             

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          754. seeyou | Feb 12, 2008 03:31am | #694

            He told me that they did some switching around and the original super was back on my house.

            I've only seen a super get removed once and there was no way he'd have been allowed back on the job. They were both aholes in this case, but the customer is always right. I've had to take an employee or sub off the job a time or two and there is no way I would ever consider sending them back after the customer had a rub with them. Good luck.http://grantlogan.net/

             

            I refuse to accept that there are limitations to what we can accomplish.        Pete (I am so in love with myself) Draganic

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            Gunner | Feb 12, 2008 03:43am | #695

                They've been doing a lot of shuffling around, laying supers off. The VP himself had to take a couple of subdivisions. I think it was a corporate thing. I'm the only one that's bitched about him. Like I said the VP is willing to work with me personally so I'll have to take him up on it. I think that I can convey to him the fact that I ain't taking any c rap this time. And he's not the kind that will try to pull a fast one. If he says he'll do something I believe he will.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            So you can take that cookie.And stick it up your, yeah!!Stick it up your, yeah!!,Stick it up your, yeah!!

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          756. dovetail97128 | Feb 12, 2008 05:19am | #696

            Time to go to the files you have kept of the problems to date and get copies into the hands of that VP.
            Along with an explanation that you are not returning to that level of communication and ####, you want him personally to act as your super.
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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            Matt | Feb 12, 2008 06:06am | #697

            That sucks...

            Here's an idea though rather than saying I ain't taking any cr@p, say you refuse to accept substandard workmanship and/or jobsite management and based on the persistence that has been set...

            Hope your sis doesn't end up getting the boot for bringing around such ornery customers :-)

             

             

             

             

             

            I'm just messing wit ya... ;-)

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            Gunner | Feb 12, 2008 03:38pm | #698

               How bout I tell them it's a buyers market and I don't need to put up with any more Shenanigans.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            So you can take that cookie.And stick it up your, yeah!!Stick it up your, yeah!!,Stick it up your, yeah!!

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            Matt | Feb 12, 2008 03:51pm | #699

            Sounds fair.

            Buyers market... yea - I feel the pain.  Spec home buyers want to buy a house below cost but still want to walk the house and pick out every blemish in the drywall that is the size of a gnats's a$$.  Presale customers pretty much pay full price though.  And both buyers and agents seem to think that builders make 30 or 40%.

          760. rez | Feb 12, 2008 07:34pm | #700

            heh

            It's only true. Give me the moon. 

             

            Peach full,easy feelin'.

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            Gunner | Feb 17, 2008 06:42am | #701

               Wanna hear a funny one? I guess they are shooting a new commercial for TV. My sister asked my wife if we'd like to be in it? She told my sister that it probably wouldn't be a good idea. They even offered to pay us. I just couldn't do it.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            So you can take that cookie.And stick it up your, yeah!!Stick it up your, yeah!!,Stick it up your, yeah!!

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          762. DougU | Feb 17, 2008 07:27am | #702

            They even offered to pay us.

            As your agent I'd recomend WE listen to the offers!

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            Gunner | Feb 17, 2008 02:01pm | #710

                I don't work unless I have a trailer.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            So you can take that cookie.And stick it up your, yeah!!Stick it up your, yeah!!,Stick it up your, yeah!!

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          764. DougU | Feb 17, 2008 07:20pm | #711

              I don't work unless I have a trailer.

            I'm disapointed that you think you had to mention it

             

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            Gunner | Feb 17, 2008 11:42pm | #712

                   I get anxious.

             

             

             

             

             

             

            So you can take that cookie.And stick it up your, yeah!!Stick it up your, yeah!!,Stick it up your, yeah!!

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

          766. dovetail97128 | Feb 17, 2008 09:11am | #705

            Maybe you could turn that around and see how much they will pay not to say anything at all about the house.
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

          767. Hackinatit | Feb 10, 2008 01:52am | #686

            "looking forward to christening each room"

            We ain't done 10 rooms yet....

            4 years and counting.

            If that's odd, maybe I need some of Swanger's "torsion". ;(

             Liberty = Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.

            American Heritage Dictionary

          768. MikeSmith | Feb 10, 2008 03:04am | #688

            get back to work , you slackerMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

          769. Hackinatit | Feb 10, 2008 03:35am | #690

            I'd do the work if the customer was interested in the transaction. ;)Liberty = Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.

            American Heritage Dictionary

          770. seeyou | Jan 10, 2008 03:23pm | #655

            why don't you have the fest there?

            Bwahahahahahahahttp://grantlogan.net/

             

            My mother once said to me, "Elwood" -- she always called me Elwood -- "Elwood, in this world you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." For years I tried smart. I recommend pleasant.

            Elwood P. Dowde (James Stewart), "Harvey"

          771. Shep | Jan 10, 2008 04:38pm | #657

            " everyone's invited"

            including your first site supervisor?

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            BillHartmann | Jan 10, 2008 07:05pm | #658

            <" everyone's invited"including your first site supervisor?>Certainly.Some one needs to play the donkey in Pin the Tail on the DOnkey..
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            A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

          773. dovetail97128 | Jan 10, 2008 07:15pm | #659

            Or to provide the fill for the low spot in the backyard.
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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            Gunner | Jan 11, 2008 03:21am | #661

               What Bill said. :)

             

             

             

             

            "Woke up quick, at about noon. Just knew that I had to be in Compton soon."

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChIdFwQwoYM&feature=related

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            JeffBuck | Dec 02, 2007 07:23am | #573

            Levels Of Gypsum Board Finish

            LEVEL 0: No taping, finishing or accessories required. This level of finish may be useful in temporary construction or whenever the final decoration has not been determined.

            LEVEL 1: All joints and interior angles shall have tape embedded in joint compound. Surface shall be free of excess joint compound. Tool marks and ridges are acceptable. This level of finish often referred to as "fire taping", is frequently specified in plenum areas above ceilings, in attics, in areas where the assembly would generally be concealed, or in building service corridors and other areas not normally open to public view. Accessories (cornerbead, base shoe other trims) optional at specifier discretion in corridors and other areas with pedestrian traffic.

            LEVEL 2: All joints and interior angles shall have tape embedded in joint compound and one separate coat of joint compound applied over all joints, angles, fastener heads and accessories. Surface shall be free of excess joint compound, tool marks and ridges are acceptable. This level of finish is specified where water resistant drywall is used as a substrate for tile; may be specified in garages, warehouse storage or other similar areas where surface appearance is not of primary concern.

            LEVEL 3: All joints and interior angles shall be tape embedded in joint compound and two coats of joint compound applied over all joints, angles, fastener heads and accessories. All joint compound shall be smooth and free of tool marks and ridges. Note: It is recommended that the prepared surface be coated with a primer/sealer prior to the application of final finishes. This level of finish is typically specified in appearance areas which are to receive heavy or medium texture (spray or hand applied) finishes before final painting, or where heavy-grade wall coverings are to be applied as the final decoration.

            LEVEL 4: All joints and interior angles shall be tape embedded in joint compound and three coats of joint compound applied over all joints, angles, fastener heads and accessories. All joint compound shall be smooth and free of tool marks and ridges. Note: It is recommended that the prepared surface be coated with a primer/sealer prior to the application of final finishes. This level of finish is typically specified where light textures or wall coverings are to be applied, or economy is of concern.

            LEVEL 5: All joints and interior angles shall be tape embedded in joint compound and three separate coats of joint compound applied over all joints, angles, fastener heads and accessories. A thin skim coat of joint compound, or a material manufactured especially for this purpose, shall be applied to the surface. The surface shall be smooth and free of tool marks and ridges. Note: It is recommended that the prepared surface be coated with a primer/sealer prior to the application of final finishes. This level of finish is recommended where gloss, semi gloss, enamel or nontextured flat paints are specified or where severe side lighting conditions occur. This highest quality finish is the most effective method to provide a uniform surface and minimize the possibility of joint photographing and of fasteners showing through the final decoration. (note: Application of primer/paint products over Level 4 and Level 5 smooth finish: Industry experience demonstrates an effective method for achieving a visually uniform surface for both the primer and topcoat is spray application immediately followed by back rolling or roller application using good roller techniques such as finishing in one direction and using roller types and naps recommended by the paint manufacturer.

            Resources

            ASTM C-840 - Standard Specifications for Application and Finishing of Gypsum Board. American Society for Testing and Materials.

            GA-505 - Gypsum Board Terminology. Gypsum Association.

            GA-214-96 - Recommended Levels of Gypsum Board Finish. Gypsum Association.

            FSCT - Coatings Encyclopedia Dictionary. Federation of Societies for Coatings Technology.

            DWFC - Recommended Specification for Preparation of Gypsum Board Surfaces Prior to Texture Application. Drywall Finishing Council Inc.

            DWFC - Interior Job Condition Specifications For The Application of Drywall Joint Compounds, Drywall Textures, and Paint/Coatings. Drywall Finishing Council Inc.    Buck Construction

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            JeffBuck | Dec 02, 2007 07:24am | #575

            lifted from ....

            http://www.drywallconstruction.com/levels_of_finish.htm

             

            first hit on googling "level 5 drywall finish"

            damn I'm good.

             

            now I'll read it to learn what the hell I'm talking about!

            Jeff    Buck Construction

             Artistry In Carpentry

                 Pittsburgh Pa

          777. Piffin | Dec 02, 2007 08:35am | #579

            yes, full skim coat, whether sheet rock or plaster.Though - I'll look again later to see if I have a photo of this one - one of mny more recent jobs, the SR guy just taped the joints and sprayed the SR primer and it looked just as good and flat 

             

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          778. bobtim | Dec 02, 2007 03:54am | #567

            Nice looking work in all the pics!

            Quick sidetrack question. Is it just a goofy picture or is there a small gap at the wall/ ceiling joint in your pics labled "library" and "fireplace ornate".  Not saying it looks bad , just aint sure what I'm looking at. Looks like maybe a 1/4'' shadowline.

            Or who knows, maybe I having senior moment

          779. Piffin | Dec 02, 2007 08:32am | #578

            That shadow line is a common feature to see with what is a versaion of "picture mold" where in the old plaster, to avoid needing to poke holes in soft plaster and ruin it, the art was hung from picture wire that went up to the molding at top where clips held it 

             

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            Huck | Dec 29, 2007 09:45pm | #613

            That shadow line is a common feature to see with what is a versaion of "picture mold" where in the old plaster, to avoid needing to poke holes in soft plaster and ruin it, the art was hung from picture wire that went up to the molding at top where clips held it

            I've seen that on older homes here too.  The picture shows it, but usually you can't even tell when standing in the room.  I've stood in rooms where it was pointed out to me, and I still couldn't tell without getting a ladder and looking real close.  I never knew the rationale, but always suspected it was because of the waviness of the old ceilingsView Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com

          781. Shep | Dec 01, 2007 04:47am | #560

            I don't understand your rocker's thing with the ceilings.

            I think it's easier to make a smooth ceiling look good, than make a popcorn ceiling.

            But I've had very little experience with textured ceilings, and a lot with smooth.

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            Gunner | Dec 01, 2007 05:18am | #562

               They are fags. That's all I can think of.

             

             

             "You can't roller skate in a Buffalo herd." Roger Miller

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8B6C54ggY&feature=related

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            G80104 | Nov 19, 2007 05:26pm | #545

            >... they started around July, here it is 4 months later and by Gunners post they should be almost done with the drywall....  I look at drywall as roughly the 1/2 way point....<<"

            "Leme See", If the backend is schuleded right & the Subs show it should take 5-6 weeks.

            We look at Drywall as being 70%.

             

             

          784. seeyou | Nov 11, 2007 07:16pm | #521

            They are redoing a house for a blind and handicap kid that plays in the UofL marching band.

            I read about him in Sports Illustrated or somewhere.

            I don't recall my sister's builder's name. Same deal as your's, though. They were building the whole subdivision. It's Landis Lakes right off Shelbyville Rd near the Gene Snyder Freeway.http://grantlogan.net/

             

            It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. - J. Handey

          785. dustinf | Nov 11, 2007 08:23pm | #522

            I saw the article.  The kid was blind, and his dad leads him for the choreographed moves.  Pretty neat.It's not too late, it's never too late.

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            Gunner | Nov 11, 2007 09:06pm | #523

               Yep that's the kid. Honestly I didn't know anything about it until my wife told me. Pretty cool I thought.

             

            . "Chuck. Chuck. It's Marvin - your cousin, Marvin BERRY. You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this."

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=229QkXMvdc0

          787. seeyou | Nov 12, 2007 04:14am | #525

            Hey - where have you been? You doing OK?http://grantlogan.net/

             

            It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. - J. Handey

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            Sphere | Nov 12, 2007 04:24am | #526

            http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&msg=96919.11Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

            "If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"

          789. dustinf | Nov 12, 2007 04:41am | #527

            I'm good.  Real good.  Thanks for asking.

             It's not too late, it's never too late.

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            Gunner | Nov 11, 2007 09:06pm | #524

               I know where that is. I don't recall who built them though.

             

            . "Chuck. Chuck. It's Marvin - your cousin, Marvin BERRY. You know that new sound you're looking for? Well, listen to this."

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=229QkXMvdc0

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            Gunner | Nov 05, 2007 07:02am | #485

               What are you seeing with the eaves? The roofer held back untill the brick layers got the brick up. Now he can bring his shingles over to meet the brick and flash it correctly.

             

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            "I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different."  Kurt Vonnegut jr.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MG1ZfFiZ8&mode=related&search=  Mercy now

          792. JHOLE | Nov 05, 2007 01:25pm | #488

            Is it just me or  the sun.

            Check out the return, on the left side of the center bump out, just above your circle.

            Why does it look like the soffit comes to the bottom of the freize, and on all the rest they're half way up?Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

          793. rez | Nov 05, 2007 05:13pm | #492

            heh heh Poor gunner.

             Now we're all involved in a 'Where's Waldo' hunt for imperfection on his crib.

             

            be don't ask me I just work here 

          794. JHOLE | Nov 05, 2007 05:16pm | #493

            I thought about it before posting, kinda seemed like piling on.

            That wasn't my intention, I just can't believe they would screw up something so bad right up front and center.

            I thought I was going batty.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

          795. MisterT | Nov 06, 2007 01:10am | #499

            YeahI won't point out that the valley on the left runs right into the cheek of the bump-out...nope not me....
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          796. homedesign | Nov 06, 2007 02:25pm | #505

            MisterT, I agree about the valley. It is difficult to tell from the photo...it sure looks like that valley should have been diverted.

          797. MisterT | Nov 06, 2007 02:42pm | #506

            somewhere in the cobwebs at the back of my mind, I may recall that the Piffin may have already pointed that out...
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          798. Piffin | Nov 06, 2007 03:32pm | #507

            can't remember if this thread of his other one, there was a picture of that valley. It is not a good situation but if the roofer detailed it carefully it can work. It comes to a point right at the bottom corner, so is not quite a dead valley, but if it were in the north, it could be in a coma...These new mini-mcMansions all seem to have a version of this problem - the larger promontory in front that should be protecting the entry but dumps on it instead, and gets in the way of water flow from other roof areas. It is a classic "What not to do" chapter in house design but there must be thousands of these things built lately all to increase "curb appeal" 

             

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          799. MisterT | Nov 06, 2007 08:42pm | #509

            I've fixed more than one....
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          800. Piffin | Nov 06, 2007 09:21pm | #511

            Revel in the job security 

             

            Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

          801. MisterT | Nov 07, 2007 02:30am | #512

            I have retired from roofing..
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          802. Piffin | Nov 07, 2007 03:07am | #513

            Well, no wonder!
            Who wants an unpanted roofer? 

             

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          803. MisterT | Nov 08, 2007 03:18pm | #514

            and it murder on the knees and other parts....
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          804. rez | Nov 06, 2007 08:39pm | #508

            Having recently finished an interesting book 94160.97 'The Old Way of Seeing' authored by Jonathan Hale, certain things are still rather fresh in the memory so it now becomes obvious what is coming into play here.'In 1834, the focus of design is no longer play but professionalism, not exploration but accuracy:' If I recall correctly back in those golden days of architecture

            the lines on a structure were so well thought out and perfect, it was common knowledge among archies that an intentional snafu somewhere within the design elements would be placed

            as in misplaced brick rows or or a seemingly waylaid window in order to break up the perfect symmetry thus providing a certain signature identity of sorts and making the building more alive. 

            So that's all that is going on here.

            "I think a building should sing, but no, it should never just speak."

            "It is not the past we want back but the life the buildings of the past embody."

            "Many buildings that try to be contextual ignore the patterns of their neighbors altogether. Any building is as real as the next, but it is play of pattern that makes a building feel 'real.' Style, color, scale, historical accuracy, craftsmanship, all must be part of the music of pattern. If there is no song, all the rest counts for nothing. Every building must make it's own music in order to contribute any sense of place to its city."

            The super has attempted to return gunner's house back to the roots of architecture instead of common banality.

            "Here was an explanation for the loss of pattern in American design- for that abrupt change from ubiquitous beauty, liveliness, and grace to disharmony and the apparent general weakening of ability."People had not lost their ability, they had changed what they thought they were looking at.

            "They had stopped looking at buildings as patterns in light and shade and had started seeing them primarily as devices to be used- for effect, comfort, commerce.

            "The results were readily measurable: the patterns of regulating lines disintegrated."   

            Gunner needs to give the super a bonus.

              

          805. MisterT | Nov 06, 2007 08:43pm | #510

            I have heard that you should make one little misteak on every job...the hard part is stopping at ONE!!.
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            G80104 | Nov 05, 2007 06:39am | #480

            That Brick sure looks NICE!

            Something about Brick!

            Need to dig into the Vault & fine the picture of the Stone Church, thats about the only thing in my book that beats Brick!

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            Gunner | Nov 05, 2007 06:55am | #482

               The brick job is pretty impressive actually. I had to shake hands and thank them for the good job.

             

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            "I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different."  Kurt Vonnegut jr.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MG1ZfFiZ8&mode=related&search=  Mercy now

          808. rez | Nov 03, 2007 02:44am | #459

            So I take that as an affirmative that it can be placed in the Poor Building Practice listing? 

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            Sphere | Nov 03, 2007 02:52am | #460

            So yer givin him 5 bucks? Thats some doe. Oh deer, thats not punny.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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          810. rez | Nov 03, 2007 03:12am | #461

            A funny punny for gunny.

             

            be a sack 

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            Gunner | Nov 03, 2007 03:47am | #463

               I'd rather not. I have some pride left.

             

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            "I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different."  Kurt Vonnegut jr.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MG1ZfFiZ8&mode=related&search=  Mercy now

          812. MisterT | Oct 31, 2007 12:46am | #429

            Judging by how your house has been (mis)handled...You will be able to spot him by the brown stripe on his nose....
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          813. DougU | Sep 22, 2007 04:10am | #366

            never put the three of us together at the same time again. A combo of any two was fine but never three at a time.

            Jesus H man, where were you when I was having kids with my first wife! I have three boys with her and that's the way they are, Christ you think with all three together they were mortal enemies but any two of them and best of buds, go figure!

            Must be something about the odd man, or the antagonist in us.

            Doug

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            Gunner | Sep 22, 2007 10:54am | #368

                We still don't do well with the three of us together. I get along with Steve real well now. Timbo so so but he doesn't get along with many people anyway. He's actually turned into the antagonist. If we are at holiday dinner and Steve and I are joking around, Tim will try his best to try and stir an argument up. It's just been in the last few years that we didn't end every family get together with an F you match. Or a challenge to step outside. He's got some issues with his social skills for sure.

             

            .

            "I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different."  Kurt Vonnegut jr.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MG1ZfFiZ8

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            MarkH | Oct 14, 2007 05:40pm | #374

            My bulldog does that for fun.

          816. seeyou | Sep 17, 2007 01:17am | #346

            how do they run the bricks down into the ground?

            They're supposed to thru flash with weeps right above the finished grade. Whether they actually do that or not depends on the bricklayer, the job super, and the BI. http://grantlogan.net/

             

            I was born in a crossfire hurricane..........shooby dooby do

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            JeffBuck | Sep 16, 2007 02:35am | #337

            what'd that unistrut run ya and what size ladder U hauling?

             

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            Sphere | Sep 16, 2007 02:59am | #339

            I got the strut from Gunner ( freebie).

            I set it up for a 6' Werner step ladder, but left the strut long enough for an 8' if I get one that has a tool tray atop. I have 2 8' but they have to have the top tray holes to engage in the sliding head of the Jet Rack.

            Pretty cool set-up for 80 bucks, all cast parts, and well made. Instructions in plain English, and so far better than the time it would take me to come up something better.

            American Van.  Jet Rack.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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          819. Shep | Sep 12, 2007 04:32am | #330

            What Sphere said about the PT.

            A good therapist will make you sweat, curse, and cry

            but will also get you back to full capacity ASAP

            a good one is worth the time and money

          820. Lansdown | Sep 15, 2007 09:10pm | #332

            We'll change all that at the next pub crawl.

          821. JHOLE | Aug 11, 2007 06:11pm | #287

            Here's one.

            DO NOT be like JHOLE, drink 13 beers, And mistakenly take a percocet instead of your blood pressure med.

            I don't think that today is going to be one of my best.

            I've been on so many pills that I actually had to make a spreadsheet to keep track, I knew I was going to mess up somewhere.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

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            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 06:24pm | #289

                I'm fixing to sit down and write a schedule myself. I've got mine all screwed up. I can't remember five minutes later if I took a pill last time I meant to or not. These things have me all confused. I can't keep my train of thought to save my life.

              And on top of all that the motor on my AC unit kicked the bucket last night. Try dealing with that first thing in the morning coming out of a haze.

             

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            "Everything is under control. I'M gonna go make some pies now." Dinosaur 07

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          823. JHOLE | Aug 11, 2007 06:35pm | #290

            Coming out?

            I'm still screwed up.

            I don't think I'll drive today.

            Keep cool.

            Took 34 pills in two days when I started them.

            Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

            Edited 8/11/2007 11:38 am ET by JHOLE

          824. User avater
            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 06:41pm | #291

               As soon as the ac guy comes and fixes it I'm going to crank it up, drop a half dozen, draw all the shades tight, open a fresh quart of Chivas Regal,  and order an Asian Hooker for the weekend.

             

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            "Everything is under control. I'M gonna go make some pies now." Dinosaur 07

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

            Edited 8/11/2007 11:41 am ET by Gunner

          825. User avater
            jonblakemore | Aug 11, 2007 06:03am | #279

            If the lack of a rumble causes a problem, just get some docusate and you should be fine.I had surgery on Memorial Day (motorcycle-caused ankle injury) and went 8 days. It's not that big of a deal, although you do feel a relief when you finally are successful. 

            Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA

          826. User avater
            Gunner | Aug 11, 2007 06:11am | #281

              I wonder what the record is? I hear after awhile it starts coming out through your pours like a sloth.

             

            .

             

             

            "Everything is under control. I'M gonna go make some pies now." Dinosaur 07

             

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

          827. Lansdown | Aug 03, 2007 08:44pm | #238

            Congratulations. Will make a great fest site someday. Never been to Kentucky ;-)

          828. User avater
            Gunner | Aug 03, 2007 08:48pm | #239

               I'd love to put one on. I just have to see how everything comes out.  I think Seeyou outbid me though.

             

            .

             

            You can't judge me man! You've never even kissed me, Man!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

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