GUTTER JACK – I need one…
I need some sort of lever arm that will jack a gutter back onto layout and hold it there while I secure it. Working alone, I have great difficulty getting those gutter back up. Three hands would help.
I figure someone on BT has encountered this problem and has a solution.
All ears, I remain…
The ToolBear
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Lean an extension ladder up against it, use a large bar clamp to suck it up.
Jon Blakemore
RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
If this is only a single story height, try a cheap jackpost.
Two "C" clamps on the bottom edge of the facia work well if your facia extends below the sofet. The hand cranks can be taped in the up position to prevent the gutter from sliding off the "C" clamps.
slider clamp clamped to the fascia... the clamp's slide holds the gutter..
1x fastened to the soffitt and run wild past the fascia.... (use screws)
holy iron or plastic hooked on under a shingle and around to the fascia..
sub it out...
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Thanks for the ideas. These gutters are second floor, hung off the 2x4 rafter tails with about a 30" overhang. From below and on the wall, it's a classic overhang rock climbing problem.
Of course, as a rock climber, I didn't have workman's comp, but I don't want to see how well the system will work for me. 20' to concrete. Bad day at work.
With a man lift we could knock these out in 30 minutes. With a 24' ladder and need to get access to patios, patios filled with junk, patios filled with dogs, etc. - it takes a bit longer. Some of these patios are neat and nice. Some are trash heaps. The folks bring their trashy nature with them.
I fiddled about and found that if I could get the ladder on the gutter, I could have full and safe access to the work face. (I hate making a mockup in the parking lot with basically popsicle sticks.) One small problem - 1/8 ton of ToolBear pressing the gutter down off layout even more. The vectors add up - to lemons.
I am into the Mark III of a ladder push out widget that will index on the drip edge, with room for the shingles, and push the ladder away enough that it doesn't touch the gutter. Then, haul it into place and secure it.
In addition to the gutter spikes, I am setting a hex screw into every tail for more support. Hell, I'll set a bunch of hangers. This development has more interesting repairs than gutters. (Anyone know how to paint a front door with trim so it doen't look like every brush stroke shows?)
FWIW - Tools - that Bosch 10.8v Litheon pocket driver...
Worked well up on the ladder today. Drove anything I wanted. Nestled into my bags with no tendancy to take a header. I can't say that about any battery drill, drill driver or impact driver I own. With all that weight in the battery, they want to head south.
The ToolBear
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Don't put fastners in the ends of rafter tails, it is a recipe for rot.
The metal expands and contracts, widening the hole. Water runs in, rot starts and there is no going back.There are brackets that sandwich the rafter tail, or use hangers that fasten to the roof deck under the shingle. These might even solve your problem.
@@ Don't put fastners in the ends of rafter tails, it is a recipe for rot. The metal expands and contracts, widening the hole. Water runs in, rot starts and there is no going back.
Sure does. All these gutters are hung with gutter spikes into the rafter tails. They rot and come loose. Then I come with the 24' ladder.
I have gutter spikes and two versions of hangers. One screws into - yes - the tail. One tucks under the shingles. The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
The last time I hung gutters by myself I used two extension ladders. One for me and one with a ladder jack on it. It worked great. I hooked up the high side then went to the other side and worked my way back.
That would work. Wonder how they hung some of these on the garages. Seamless run of +100' - and rotted wood beneath calling for my attention.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
Over 100ft? Good luck with that, obviously those were runoff on site. Are you replacing those or just the wood? Maybe you can disconnect just enough to pull the bad board and hook it back up and work your way down the line.
@@ Over 100ft? Good luck with that, obviously those were runoff on site. Are you replacing those or just the wood? Maybe you can disconnect just enough to pull the bad board and hook it back up and work your way down the line.
Yep. Doubtless came out of the back end of a big truck.
Happily, I just need to hook these up where they pull loose - on the second floor. When we do the garage roofs, the whole line comes down, but there will be a whole crew to share the job.
I have one rot job on hold pending dropping the gutter. Working alone, I can promise a nice crink in that 100' run. Sugested cutting it by way of the rot - which is at one end - , but HOA didn't want that.
FWIW - 189 carports converted to garages. T 1-11 siding. Butt seams everywhere and not one bit of Z metal or flashing in the whole job. Lowest bidder, eh? Stuff is rotting from top down and bottom up - where the siding (primed on 6 sides, sure) is often tooo close to the concrete. Work for us!The ToolBear
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I whack a gutter spike into the facia just above the chalkline where the gutter is going to go. Balance the gutter on that and install your brackets onto your line from one end of the gutter to within maybe 6' of where the gutter is resting on spike. Do the same from the other end. Remove spike and flex gutter down to line covering up the hole the spike made.
Tnx. for the tip. I will have to practice that one. Listen for the clatter as 50' of gutter heads south.
Happily, most of these are still sorta attached. Usually 6-12' came loose. One is still loose. Patio has two dogs barking at me, one cat looking embrassed by the company he's forced to keep and an amazing collection of junk where I want to put a ladder.
They have been sent A Letter.
Wonder if a man lift will reach over a garage without dumping.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
one rock climber to another, hire a crane, don harness, naw never mind, just something I've always wanted to try. Would scaffolding with wheels work?
@@@ HIRE A CRANE...
If they loved me they'd rent a manlift <g>. Right.
(I think the manlift is the 24' FG ladder. )
Ladder has to be on standoffs at the eves so you look down on the gutters and can lift them. With these wide overhangs, a ladder up the wall leaves you with that free climbing overhang problem.
Tried a number of moves under the eves and the Voice of Experience sez - Don't be an idiot. So, I wasn't. Rotating on the ladder, my Oxy bags want to catch here and there. Bring a bucket and a hanger. The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
Another approach, if there's a tail of sufficient length on the fascia, is to attach a short bar clamp such that the bar supports the gutter. Won't hold it up on the line, of course, unless you use some sort of wedge or spacer.
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Toolbear:
Get your claws on a 3rd Hand by Fastcap. It goes up to 12', but you stack it on something if ned to go taller. I have one I use for crown install but have used it for all sorts of stuff (always work alone). Amazon and Duluthtrading have them.
Hre' the info. bearman:
http://www.fastcap.com/prod2.asp?page=3rdhand
Edited 6/4/2006 1:57 am ET by alan sullivan
THIRD HAND...
I'm looking at mine. My office is also the expensive tool storage. It's the short version for cabinets and such, however, that's an idea. Tnx.!
Now, how can I use this on a ladder to shove the gutters up? Just stick on a step?
I'll load it and give it a try this week. The ToolBear
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I've always used a rope screwed to the roof or fascia lassoed to the gutter loosely. then tighten the lasso from the ground as needed.
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I've still got one tied up with a length of poly. When they clean the junk out of the patio area (Can we spell Disfunctional?) and secure the dogs, we'll talk.The ToolBear
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and...oh yeh...you guys heading this way to TipiFest this August? That'd make you and the Blodgetts our Washington connection.If Blodgett says, Tipi tipi tipi it must be so!
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@@ TipiFest this August
Duh?
Have heard it mentioned but not a clue of what, when, where, who or how.
We will probably be up in Canada on the boat, August being prime weather. Keep that thought.
Last time we did Aug. in Canada, it blew gales all quadrants for six days. Happily we were in the SYC outstation at Pender Harbor. Ice, power, water, flush toilets, hot showers, library. Took the edge off the driving rain.
The ToolBear
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Just found this thread.I've installed long lengths of gutter solo by screwing 1x3 or plywood scrap to the soffit so it protrudes out past the fascia. Wedge the center up to where you want it and work toward the ends. I have picked up 60'+ pieces of gutter by myself and set it on the temporary supports. Pick a still day. A small breeze will wreek havoc with a piece that long.
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@@ Hanging gutters ...
I hope I don't have to hang whole sticks of the stuff. One was 100' long. If so, I will fab some rafter tail hooks of plywood that will hold the stuff where I can get at it.
A nice sea breeze do the deed? Better include seat belts on my hooks. I see a square looking J hook with lip to keep things aboard. The ToolBear
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I didn't catch the open cornice aspect, but you're on the right track.Good luck.
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