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   Piffin | Apr 29, 2008 07:40pm | #1

   "what works well, is relaiable and doesn't need to messed with for the next 10 years? "

   Proper roof design with a gabeled dormer that sheds water away from entrances and steps

    

    

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   joey12 | Apr 29, 2008 08:05pm | #2

   i've got that!  how about minimizing the collection of water at the foundation and its potential issues...mold, peeling paint, etc.?

   Edited 4/29/2008 4:06 pm ET by joey12

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   Piffin | Apr 29, 2008 09:06pm | #4

   Also, there are some tough landscape plantings that can break up rainfall, like Holly or juniper. 

    

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   joey12 | Apr 29, 2008 09:24pm | #5

   So, you're saying I don't need the gutters I if remove the existing shrubs, dig a trench for a french drain and then replant!!!  Just kidd'en!!  I am looking to place gutters around the entire house (rotated ridge line on newly added 2nd story of garage and added extensions on rafter tails to finish fascia/soffit on original home prior to roofing and siding)...the issue is what kind and is there a significant difference with newer products on the market.  One section of roof is at 24 ft and I'm not interested in annual leaf cleaning or worrying about ice daming and future replacement issues.  Sorry I did not make myself clearer with original descrilption/question.

   Edited 4/29/2008 4:08 pm ET by joey12

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   Piffin | Apr 29, 2008 10:05pm | #6

   and I am sorry for blasting off too negative. I hate gutters. They cause almost as many problems as they solve.I'll stand aside now and let somebody else speak who can recommend what you are looking for. 

    

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   MikeSmith | Apr 30, 2008 12:21am | #8

   joey... none of my houses have gutters..

    most of my customers have no gutters

   any time i can design my way out of gutters we do exactly that

    

   and we install LOTS of gutters... aluminum & wood

   and we hire a lot of copper gutters installed

   i hate gutters

   anyone who does a lot of roof and roof trim maintenance can see just how much damage gutters do  and how the average homeowner will never maintain their gutters

   and what a rip most of the "gutter helmet " systems are

    

   so....... good luck with your guttersMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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   joey12 | Apr 30, 2008 12:30am | #9

   Thanks a bunch! Now is there a particular aluminum product that you use and recommend and what fastener system do you prefer?

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   theslateman | Apr 30, 2008 12:34am | #10

   Joey,

   Do you have a flat fascia to attach an ogee style gutter to , or would it have to be strap hung from above ?

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   mike_maines | Apr 29, 2008 08:56pm | #3

   If you already are shedding water away from critical areas, a french drain is a great way to get that water away from the house.  Perforated pipe set just below grade, in a trench lined with landscape fabric and filled with crushed stone, would do the job.

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   fingersandtoes | Apr 29, 2008 10:19pm | #7

   A lot depends on where you are (you may want to fill in your profile). I don't know much about snow and gutters. Here in the PNW the main issues with gutters involve clogging due to debris. To minimize this, I use a 5" fascia gutter and oversized downspouts. At the top of the downspouts I install a perforated 1 ft shield available at our local yards.

   This goes some way to alleviating the problems, but I'm with Piffin, if you can avoid gutters I would.

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   MikeSmith | Apr 30, 2008 12:52am | #11

   5" k-style   dropped on site... one piece, no joints

   inside miters

   fascia brackets @ 2' oc  with SS screws

   water test as you go to  insure positive flow

   removeable downspout mounts... no nail on straps

   Rainflow gutter inserts

    

   http://www.rainflowusa.com

   i hate gutters

    

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   joey12 | Apr 30, 2008 01:12am | #12

   Mike,  Thanks!  Quick, thorough, accurate... a "git 'er dun" type of answer.

   Edited 4/29/2008 6:12 pm ET by joey12

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   popawheelie | Apr 30, 2008 01:23am | #13

   I just went and got materials at HD. I went with a hanger that doesn't show from below. I made them strong and pitched them a little bit towards the downspout.

   The downspout goes into a 4" drain pipe that goes out into a LARGE french drain.

   Go take a look at the materials at HD and see what you wiil need.

   If you have any questions let me know.

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   Treetalk | Apr 30, 2008 02:57am | #14

   Since Im always building on hillsides here we usually gutter the the uphill side of the house to get rid of the water. But water conservation has become a bigger issue and lots of people round here like to catch thier water and store it in cisterns.

   Ice is what tears up our gutters usually.If u can and if ur fascia is wide enuf try to keep front side of gutter a lil lower than the shed angle coming off roof.That way ice can slide past gutter with out catching front of gutter and working on it. Course ice has nasty way of curling around gutter sometimes all way to soffit.

    

    

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   popawheelie | Apr 30, 2008 03:25am | #15

   I live in Ft Collins CO and haven't had much ice issues yet. The only ice I have problems with is ice dams. I rake the roof and throw up salt in a sock. Talk about roof maintenance. Cleaning your gutters is a piece of cake.