We had no idea what kind of view we would have until we got the second story on, and when we discovered we could see for miles and miles we had to make some changes so we could see out the window and not just look at the roof.
My question is how do you transition from the 2:12 cut away portion to the 10:12? Water rolls downhill so any sort of seam will catch water, right? Can they bend it?
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Can you repost with JPEGS, vs the PDF? I do copper standing seam for a living, but PDF is not a friendly format for my computer.
Edit: Ok, I opened it. Any good roofer can handle that just fine, keep in mind the head lap needs to be substantial, depending on snow melt.
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Edited 3/23/2007 8:22 am ET by Sphere
We're in Texas so less than 1-2" snow a year. So will it all be one piece of metal or will there be a joint at the bend?
As I may have said, I do copper. And Yes, it can be one pc. No worries. Now steel, with a factory finish, won't allow that nearly as well, thats why I don't do steel.Inmate # 40735 At Taunton Federal Penitentiary.
Free download, pdf without attached ads or popups,adn not harrassment related to purchasing the upgrade versions.
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It loads as an avaliable printer. If you want to save a doc, pic, webpage, etc: select printer, cute pdf and print. It produces an electronic copy.......you name it and save it in the folder of choice.
Edited 3/23/2007 10:12 am ET by txlandlord
Well that is handy...for shure.
I just DL'd a powertoy for windoze, that makes Irfanview look like kindergarten.
I'll play with it before I recommend it.Inmate # 40735 At Taunton Federal Penitentiary.
I've used that same tool, if you downloaded what I think you did. It is very convenient indeed.
Sphere is the right guy to talk to...peace out.
Not really, I misspoke. A standing seam wants a transition for that severe of a pitch change. I'd just run the 2 under the 12, but the 2 needs to be field relieved to make that bend, and the locks need to be either opened out flat or smashed down flat.
I am spoiled, copper is the only way that you can get away with anything...solder is my friend.
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Hmm, I'm trying to picture this.
Would you make one "half" of the standing seam "long" so it would wrap around the "uphill" end of the seam?
Or, would you just make a 45ยบ sort-of bend in the crimped seam, so that it folds 'down' from its height above the deck to zero? (Not that I have the arms to do that in galvalume or any such <g>).
I'm guessing copper is way better for this sort of thing, as a body could bend a "shoe" of sorts to close the hign end of the standing seam, and then solder the assembly together into a nice water tight "whole."
Now, this is a detail my house may wind up with, sorta. But, in my case it will just be a transition from 4/12 standing seam to 2/12, which ought to be a simpler joint (with smart enough roofers, 'natch).Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Not really a detail that requires soldering, a Copper pan has flex.
Concave is easy, convex is where we have an issue, I can't stretch it on site...I don't have the tools.
To walk the transition from a 2 to a 12, I "shrinkalate" it with downspout crimpers, and fold the overage in the seam.
clear as mud?Inmate # 40735 At Taunton Federal Penitentiary.
clear as mud?
Si, claro con fango <g> (oops, <grin> ought be <mueca>)
Seam to seam makes some sense to me. It's the "any other roof" to standing seam that has me head scratching--short of glomming some sort of metal building rake trim in there (which never works, as there'll be a gable at one end, and it'll be open at the other . . . <sigh>)Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
If it's a true standing seam roof, a continuous pan can run thru the pitch change and is the way it should be done. If it's snaplock or exposed fastener, it has to have a lateral seam at the pitch change. To run the standing seam thru the change, unfold the male and female sides for several inches uphill and downhill from the change. Grab the vericle flanges you created by unfolding the preformed sides with needle nose pliers right where the change is. Standing downhill, twist the right side counterclockwise (toward the center of the pan) and the left side clockwise until the pan lays flat. Beat the fold flat on itself and rebend the seam folds as they were before you straightened them out. Finish your seam with the seaming tools. Move over to the next row and repeat.http://logancustomcopper.com
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Beat the fold flat on itself and rebend the seam folds as they were before you straightened them out. Finish your seam with the seaming tools. Move over to the next row and repeat.
Ok, that makes sense.
Would you then flash over that, to tuck under, say, asphalt shingles on the steeper pitch, like the way I'd be inclined (NPI) if it were shingles to roll roofing?Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
.......Would you then flash over that, to tuck under, say, asphalt shingles on the steeper pitch, like the way I'd be inclined (NPI) if it were shingles to roll roofing?
There'd be no flashing - the standing seam roof would go under the steeper roof material. If this was the scenario, we'd beat the standing seams over flat and then shingle over the top. What I was describing was for standing seam on both pitches, but the method for going thru the pitch change would be the same in both instances. You can use downspout crimpers as Duane descibed for slight changes or for an inside curve.http://logancustomcopper.com
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You can use downspout crimpers as Duane descibed for slight changes or for an inside curve.
Yeah, I've seen that for metal-to-metal across pitches.
I was just picturing the seams threading up into the the shingles--which may have been where OP was trying to get a better idea.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Yeah, needle nose vice grips are my friend.
Man, I am hurting today..I think I'll head to the roto rooter after all, if he'll see me....I got the flag of Italy going on in my kleenex.Inmate # 40735 At Taunton Federal Penitentiary.
See my previous post - I meant to address it to you.
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