Remember at Cals when we were talking about using blocks and Rossets in trim and how it killed the skill in mitre cutting?
I was in a new bank under construction today And they had them everywhere. The funny part is they had like five guys doing trim and they were super serious about the whole butt cut process. Measuring each piece individualy and weighing their options on each piece. Made me chuckle.
But they did have some very nice crown mold. I liked the way they built it up.Very classy. If I ever buy a house with a room sizable enough to support the look It’d be the first thing I’d do to it. I really liked the layering. BUt they had no symmetrics when they ended at a return.
I snapped some pics for you. The double rosets at bottom of the door still have me scratching my head.
Edited 9/1/2005 10:12 pm ET by Gunner
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I'm with you on those rosettes. Maybe somebody had the plans upside down and they belong on the top!
The crown returns look much better, but that's an unusual design too - three parts, all separated? Betcha the next painter's going to love that.
Don
I'm not so sure about the moulding applied under the crown, I don't like.
and someone should tell those guys they probably sell plinth blocks where ever they bought those rossettes.... probably cheaper too...
I like the crown detail, pretty cool and nice work but the use of the rossets, I'm not to sure about that.
What CAG said, should have got plinths.
Doug
Do any of you feel the rosettes are too small for the casing? Looks like they went to a parts box and stuck them together.
Incidentally, the second shot reminds me alot of Monticello.
Ya can't fool me ...
that's the same crown ... just again ... and again ... maybe again?
and I agree ... the rosettes are the wrong size ... they shoulda upsized them at least 1/4 ... may 1/2.
And those doubled rosettes ... uh ... Plinth blocks were created for a reason.
But ... the crown .. aside from the star track lazer effects ... looks cool.
I may even steal that idea.
I've stacked tons of "off the shelf" trim before ... but don't think I've ever stacked the same crown on top of the exact same crown.
I like it!
banks ... why do I always find myself standing in line and looking at their latest idea of trim? Bet there's some rope lighting soon to be hidden there too ...
Cool pics ... keep them coming.
Jeff
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looks like they had 4 layers of crown and when they sheet rocked and skimmed in the walls it buried most of the bottom 2 layers.
the strip details need to be stepped back at the spring angle of the crown to look right.
did my BIL desdign the trim there??
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Obviously nobody has a rosette cutter.
Those things are easily made to fit the application, all you need is a drill press & a router.
Joe H
Gunner--I hope you weren't depositing money there--
I don't even know were to begin--looks like the others have cover the bases.
The Laser beam crown-the low land Rossettes, the rossettes with no stool/apron, this design had to come from somewhere else--I'm not sure I could do this and not have bad dreams.
On the plus side I do like the mitred returns-I wonder if they ran out of rossettes using them as plinths--
If you can make them double tall for base why not double deep for crown?
I did a resto and saved one of the old rossettes and sent them out to have 26 exact matches in stain grade and for the time and set-up I thought they charged a very resonsable price.
Should have the mitresaw back from the welders soon--don't need the swinging base anymore. Next is the compond arm.
Compound and mitre--who needs all those options--Make that baby into a true"Chopsaw"
Thanks Gunner--
Mike
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Sometimes I'm impressed with the youngins how they might learn how to do crown quickly or can case a door well but then sometimes it's all to obvious the lack of experience and time. You need to have done a lot of trim to understand proportion, balance and scale. While these photos look clean enough theres' to much lacking to get me started.
I've always been interested in trim and do quite a bit of it at work. Most guys walk right by and never pick up on obvious mistakes.
My sister and her ex husband used to have a pretty nice Mcmansion. I was always polite about how crappy and out of balance their trim was. He's a real arrogant bastad, and had his buddy a framer trim the house for him real cheap.
Anyway we were over for a cookout one day and he said something that really pi$$ed me off. So I asked him who the heck ruined the trim on his house? He told me and I asked him if he did it for free including materials? He replied no. Then I walked him around and showed him all the things that had been annoying me for years but I had been to polite to say anything about. Everything was corner blocks and Rosettes. All the roseettes were smaller then the trim pieces they were mated up against. The rosettes were a quarter of an inch smaller, the corner blocks wer way bigger.Where two pieces were supposed to be scarfed they were fourty fived and most of them were faced the wrong way, no blocking behind the joint just nailed to the drywall. After I schooled him he was pretty hot, and felt pretty stupid. He has a reputation as being very picky But I guess when you don't know the difference ignorance is bliss.
I generaly get along with the guy even though he can be arrogent as hell, but every once in awhile I have to get sideways on him with issues like that to put him back in his place. He's told me before that I'm th only guy that does that to him and it feels kind of good once inawhile. Then I tried to charge him for it but he refused.
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Then I tried to charge him for it but he refused.
Damn skippy!
I have a similar brother-in-law who knows it all. He talks big on what he thinks he knows. I find it comical sometimes what messes his arrogance gets himself into. He truly is his own worst enemy and doesn't know it. There's not much I do to help or hinder. Time is on my side. Hoping someday to get to submit his story to the Darwin Award Committee, just a matter of time.
I was gonna say what MisterT said--looks like nice old crown with the frieze board burried under sheetrock.
Last weekend at a friend's house I saw the double-crown idea, actually it was pretty similar to the one you posted. At first I thought it looked nice, then noticed the repeating profile and said to myself "that's not right." But it still looks nice, and no one else is going to notice that the profile repeats, or at least they won't care.
Stacked rosettes as plinths? Ugh. For rosettes to look good, I think the casing needs to be wider, as well as the rosettes.
Mike
That crown looks like plate rail. Don't know that I like how they terminated it (would have looked fine as a plate rail termination though)... and those little strips below are going to be a bitch to paint later.
I actually like non-mitered trim. It is easier to do and is less likely to look crappy later. These folks just needed to add plinth blocks instead of doubling up the rosettes.
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Seems like Gary Katz had an article about it a while back. Can't remember if its something I saw online or on paper.
jt8
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I think that crown would look better if they minimized the returns to the walls out in the open and then painted the same color on the crown and the little sections of wall in-between. Thereby giving the illusion of one really large piece of crown.
I've seen that "Ceiling - Crown - Wall - Small Detail Piece - Wall" layout before with only one "small detail piece" and the in-between space painted white like the crown on a colored wall. Looked good, except where it ended on a wall and not in a corner.
I think that crown would look better if they minimized the returns to the walls out in the open and then painted the same color on the crown and the little sections of wall in-between. Thereby giving the illusion of one really large piece of crown.
Yeah, I thought that might be neat too. But they'd need different trim along the bottom. And probably 9' or better ceiling height to carry it off.jt8
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They're 10' ceilings.
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Those double rosettes remind me of a kids boom box, just need some dials in the middle. Hopefully the trim carpenters were scratching their heads when they put that in.
I think they were all around carpenters. They were union, and they worked for the GC so I'm pretty sure they've been there from the start.
One thing that is really sad is they didn't have anything to do with the design. Some designer somewhere thinks double rosetes are acceptable.+
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Since it's not "your job" I can criticize... When I opened the first pic and saw the built up crown, I thought, "interesting"... Then I scrolled down and saw the triple picture rail effect... Looks like a good example of someone who has the money but not taste... They probably saved money on the arch/designer though- So and so's sister in law is great at picking out fabrics so let's have her design the interior!!
I can think of more rewarding 'bank jobs' :-)
Edited 9/3/2005 6:14 am ET by Matt
Very few banks I've been in have much design taste.
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Some have some pretty grandiose facades though...
True dat.
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