Welcome to my winter project, approx. 1,200 sq of shingles and 6,000 lineal ft of soffitt and fascia.
This is only 1 of 5 stockpiles of shingles on the job waiting for us. I couldn’t get my lumberyard to store 1,200 sq inside for me until I needed them. Plus when you buy them by the semi trailer they are cheaper.
The additions have steel trusses and 3/4″ fire resistant plywood for the roof framing.
The project is in various stages now, trusses are being set by one crew and another is putting sub fascia and plywood on. We are running the plywood guys into the dirt, they can’t stay ahead of us very long.
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What are we seeing in the first pic? Looks like a flat roof school.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Thats the existing part of the nursing home, that part will get trusses in the spring. To match the additions.
Working weekends? doesnt look much more than 8/12 If wee get a semi nice weekend I could give you a hand and return your stuff. I kinda owe you some work time.
It's a 6/12 pitch, And I think we are out of nice weekends for a long time. I appreciate the offer though. You gotta finish up your house before you can come out and play. :)
I start framing another house on Tuesday so I won't be back there for a week or so anyway.
You don't owe me anything, I offered to help on your place. You didn't ask me to help. I had a great time helping you out, it had been a long time since I got to show up and work all day without having to be in charge. I miss those days.
Have you seen the current issue of This Old House magazine? Pretty sure the save this old house at back of mag is in Battle Creek, $34,000 and you don't have to move it. Seems like a no brainer, unless neighborhood is real bad. Check it out.
Does it happen to say where the house is located in Battle Creek?
There are alot of old homes here, just in bad neighborhoods. You can put a ton of money into them to restore them and never get your money back because of the neighborhood.
I will look for the magazine this weekend. Thanks for the tip.
don't think there's a street address, I just looked at the mag while in line at HD. usually there's a phone #. good luck
Hows it commin.
Slowly but surely, the sheathing guys are now crawling around the job. The other day 8 guys put down 5 sheets in 8 hrs.
I pulled off the job and framed a house last week, this week will be my first week back in a while.
We got alot of snow today, which is not going to make the job go any faster. You guys get alot of snow?
woke up sunday with a foot of the white stuff on the hood of my truck!
5 sheets in 8 hours!!! what are they doing I could scribe fit (with a jigsaw and belt sander I might add) more sheets than that by myself.
It's painful to watch man. These guys are something else. I framed an entire house in 5 days and they can't get 90 sheets put down between 8 of them in 10 days.
I threw down almost 50 sheets solo one day last week. Like we did at your place, almost the entire roof sheathed in one day.
I heard another snow storm is moving in tonight. Got to love that lake effect snow! Stay warm amigo.
I will try. Right now I am trimming a house out at southhaven. Three blocks off of the water and about three blocks south of the peir. Long drive and lots of wind. Take it eazy man.
I noticed the name Thornapple in your pics.
My wife grew up next to the Thornapple River in Cascade, MI.
You working anywhere near that?
This is Thornapple Manner in Hastings MI. It's on the Thornapple River.
I think Cascade is around Grand Rapids isn't it? If so thats about a 30 minutes away.
Yeah, Cascade is on the east side of GR, right near the airport.
If you know 28th St., Cascade is all the way at the east end.
I figured I'd update this dead horse today. I thought it would be too cold to do much other than take pictures. But it got up to 20 degrees and sunny out. Talk about a heat wave.
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This is "Big Smoothie", at least thats the nickname I gave it. Slow and jerky but it gets the job done. I get it loaded up in the morning with guns, nails, radio, 3 sq of shingles, jacks and planks.
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Look, just in time drywall. Glad it showed up, we needed something to keep ice from forming on the concrete inside the building. LOL
The job superintendant on this one is a real winner, I have got probably another 250 sq of shingles to put down and he calls in the drywall.
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This is at the end of the day, doesn't look like alot got done but we finished the choppy sections that are only 2 shingles wide. The sections have a valley on one side and a hip on the other. THank god for no cut valleys, no cuts, no scrap and a huge time saver.
2 guns running maybe 10 sq down with around 100 ft of cap. We spend the first 1-1/2 hrs of each day clearing the snow, then another hour rolling out paper and I&W shield.
yay !... go get 'em tiger !
poor me... stuck inside with estimates and design work...
oh , how i envy youMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Can you see this round of pictures?
I detect some sarcasm in your post, me thinks you want to be stuck inside this time of year. To tell you the truth so would I. :)
Don't you have the Bostitch cap stapler? I thought I saw you and Sphere talking about it.
I just got one and can't seem to get it to sink the staples home, some are proud 1/4".
I adjusted the dial for the nose as much as I could, what the problem is. Do you have this problem too?
If you don't have one of these sorry.
yes, we have two of them.. and we use 5/8 Advantech which is pretty hard stuff..
no problems with the cap stapler.. sets them all just right..
something else going on with yours i guessMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I'll ask my tool salesman and see what he thinks about it.
Thanks Mike.
I thought about this a little yesterday, I haven't worked with advantech yet is it harder than 3/4" plywood? My roof sheathing is 3/4" fire resistant plywood and I was wondering if that may be part of the issue.
i would think that fire-resistant is pretty hard stuff.. try some practise shots in different materials
Advantech is about as hard as a good FIR plywood.. certainly harder than pine ply
but if the roofing guns are penetrating, i don't know why the buttoncap guns wouldn't alsoMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Thanks Mike, it was a thought that just came to mind.
It works good if I pay attention to keeping the gun perpendicular to the deck. Just a feeling out period with the gun I guess.
Are using 1 inch staples? My wife got a box of 1.5's that sometimes will stay a little proud when the compressor is low, but basically they sink almost everytime. 1 inchers stick plenty well.
I am using the 1" staples, I went looking for 3/4" thinking that might help but I couldn't find any at the local big box.
""THank god for no cut valleys, no cuts, no scrap and a huge time saver.""
I think I understand what you mean by this but can you explain it just a bit. Not a weave, which is way to time consuming, Not open with metal, but having one side run up the opposing pitch and the second side cut to the valley? Is that it?
Pics from too far back to see what for sure you did.
I'll take some better pictures of it tommorow, it got too nice today to mess with the camera.
Kind of hard to explain, but the valley ends up dead straight without a single cut.
You are right, not a weave, not metal, but one side gets run through the valley. THe other side is where I have to get some pictures.
Thanks,
Maybe old and brain dead here but I am having a hard time picturing it.. New trick to me if you aren't cutting anything at all.
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I'll take some better pictures of it tommorow, it got too nice today to mess with the camera.
Kind of hard to explain, but the valley ends up dead straight without a single cut.
You are right, not a weave, not metal, but one side gets run through the valley. THe other side is where I have to get some pictures.
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Thanks, Maybe old and brain dead here but I am having a hard time picturing it.. New trick to me if you aren't cutting anything at all.
I guess you will have to get thoes pics.
Looks like you are making some progress!
BTW is that your black ram in one of thoes photos?
We finally got done trimming that house in southaven. It must have been the crappyest week for it. The weather was soo cold and snowy. Most days you could only drive 35 mph.
We are finally making progress now that the sheathing guys are out of the way, we can go at our pace, not theirs.
Supposed to be warmer next week, then we can really put a hurting on this place.
No thats not my truck in the picture, I am still driving the Ford Stranger. Too cheap to take on a truck payment.
I can imagine that the drive to South Haven was a bad one, nothing but wide open highway over there. I am sure the drifts got huge.
The drifts werent too bad but driving through the snow belt everyday was fun! It could be sunny at the lake and about 10 mi. inland you would hit the lake effect everyday. Stay warm
That snow belt lasts until you get half way to Battle Creek on I-94. Usually a blizzard then nothing. Makes the last half of the drive home nice.
Well here are a few pictures of the valleys I do. I started doing them about 6 years ago and have never had a problem with them.
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The bottom course on the opposing side of the valley gets run under the through side. Then we snap a chalkline up the entire valley and nail shingles up that line.
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Then each shingle point gets ran to the bottom of the valley shingles that got nailed on the chalkline. No cuts and the valley creates a 6-7" offset for each course.
Most people are right handed and like to run shingles from the left side of the roof to the right. Doing it this way also makes cutting hips and rake edges easier. But in winter I switch, we shingle from right to left. THis makes the shingles lay flatter because you are nailing the frozen humps and bumps out of the shingle butt, not into it.
Hips we start in the middle of the roof shingling each way, that way both guys end up cutting an end. THe starter books for this are easy, it takes tow shingle to make a book. A full one and the second shingle gets a ft. cut off it. So you pretty much have 3 shingles now, a 3 footer, a 2 footer and a 1 foot piece. Center each one and you have a 6" offset on each side for two guys to start shingling off of.
In this example, how far up the left side of the valley do the shingles from the right hand side go? Seems that there is a possibility of wind driven rain to work its way up under the valley shingle and get to the felt. I'm sure you've thought of this just wondering how the design deals with it."If the trout are lost, smash the state."
In this valley it was around a foot or so.
I am not worried about wind driven rain with a foot of shingle through the valley.
That makes sense. In your photos the shingles running the length of the valley were already installed, so I couldn't see how far the through shingles extended.
This looks like an elegant, effective, and cost-effective solution."If the trout are lost, smash the state."
It's the best way I have seen to run a valley, dead straight line, no cuts, and no scrap.
oooooh, oooooh...... i like it
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we call that a California cut valley
so ...now we have a California no-cut valley.... thanks
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 2/15/2007 7:29 pm ET by MikeSmith
I never looked for a name for it, so Calif. no cut valley it is.
Hopefully the description was clear enough.
This old dog learned a new trick!
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
The only problem with that technique is the stagger gets too close on steeper pitched roofs, so you have to cut books going up the valley, but you're cutting the shingle to length rather than an angle cut. And it does look pretty. We've been using it for many years.http://logancustomcopper.com
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It's like the whole world's walking pretty and you can't find no room to move. - the Boss
I married my cousin in Arkansas - I married two more when I got to Utah. - the Gourds
Thanks for posting the tutorial.
Much appreciated.
Dang You, why didnt you show me this BEFORE I shingled my roof :-) I will definatly do this next time. Thanks for the tip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We only hung out for a day at your new place, not nearly enough time to show you all my tricks.
It's a good one to learn, saves alot of time and bloody knuckles cutting valleys.
No bloody knuckles here.......that beacuse I gave that job to my little brother!!
Btw we have a large custom house (1.2) mill that will bea starting right about now near battlecreek. In a couple of months it will be ready to trim. If it is a real cool one you could swing by to take a look.
Where around Battle Creek? I will check it out.
I am not shure yet I think we are about to start diging the hole. The couple having this house built are in there 30's
When you find out where let me know.
Hopefully you guys don't get my inspector. It's a whole different ball game with him.
I know it would be nice to return the favor. When you start to build yourself a new home i'll be there.
Good deal man, that help I can handle.
Stilletto,
i am curious about the shingles stacked on the ground.
Is there no rooftop delivery there?
here we would get them conveyor belted to the ridge line--and still stacked flat.
HUGE time and back saver!
I am assuming maybe the plan is to lift skids with a LULL---and then move 'em around by hand?--------still a LOT of "strong back" work LOL.
Looks like fun.
Stephen
We have the pallets lifted onto the roof by a skytrak, then we have to move them around. It is a little more work but we don't have a choice.
They don't have enough sheeting down ahead of us to get shingles loaded at the ridge. Plus the masons have the ground around the building turned into a mud bog. They have their skytrak running through every 5 minutes. I don't think we could get a conveyor close to the building.
Love those steel trusses, we have been doing a lot of them in the past couple of years. Most of them get metal pan decks on them and metal roofs.
When we do sheath them, we manage to get up more than 5 sheets a day, at least 7 or 8. <G>
Mike
Trust in God, but row away from the rocks.
THese trusses have attic space for mechanicals, first they put down heavy gauge corrugated steel, tack weld those into place, then pour a slab on top of the steel.
I haven't seen that done in trusses before. I have seen it done with bar joists.
They were using a gas powered coil nailer for nailing the sheets down, but they switched to quik drive screw guns now. Thats not helping their speed at all.
ummmm... where do i 9et my ma9ic decoder rin9 ?
i can't see the pictures Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
What would you like pictures of? I am heading there today. Ask and ye shall receive.