Is there a way to verify whether an existing toilet is lo-flo or not? The toilet in question is a crane, with a mark in the tank that says: Apr. 2006 and a larger mark (model?) that reads 9548.
I don’t see anything on the valve about flush volume.
How does one know?
k
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if it take three times to flush
I knew that was coming...
k
Turn the water off to the tank. Flush.
Pour 1.6 milk jugs of water in the tank.
Close to the line?
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That is actually a pretty good idea.
I wonder if the RECO (Residential Energy Conservation Ordinance) inspector will go for it.
I have a feeling he might want some documentation instead. You'd think it'd have a stamp saying 1.6 somewhere... the manual's long gone, of course.
k
Try a Google search for "Crane toilet 9258"
Once you fine the mfg's site then you can get the specs......Iron Helix
"Try a Google search for "Crane toilet 9258"
Yeah, I tried that, no luck so far. I was hoping someone could help me refine my search a bit.
k
KFCI also did a site search on Crane. I found that the only current listed stock numbers were listed. But there is a "contact us" button for inquiries such as yours via e-mail or 1-800 service number.Also the number you have found may be a" part number" thus the search mode does not bring up any results....but Crane can do it for you as above.I'd be picking up the phone.....get areal person and a fax back quick.I agree with other posters about the probability that this must be a 1.6....but you must satisfy the inspector.
We're thinking alike. I also did a search on Crane's website, to no avail (thanks for taking the time yourself, BTW.) I tried their number on Sunday, no voice-mail on weekends, planned to do it today.
However,
I became obsessed with the idea that there had to be GPF info marked somewhere on the thing, so I got down on my knees and elbows, and sure enough, under the rim, where it retuns around the back of the seat portion (below the tank) the info is formed into the porcelain. 1.6 GPF. Yay.
You really have to search for it, though.
Thanks to all.
k
US, they've been low flow for a while.
Canada, not sure.
I searched that number and the other one and nothing.
Common sense for the inspector, I'd pour the water.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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I wonder if the RECO (Residential Energy Conservation Ordinance) inspector will go for it.
This like the Toilet Commissar?
Another government employee in a state that is bankrupt?
Joe H
"Another government employee in a state that is bankrupt?"
RECO is a very sensible Berkeley city ordinance, and no, that is not an oxymoron. It requires houses to be upgraded in a few simple ways at the time of each sale, usually weatherstripping on doors, attic insulation (if applicable) and low-flow fixtures.
You are also required to update your sewer as part of the Bay Area Water Quality District's requirements.
The city of Berkeley also rebates half of its sales tax to buyers if they use that money for seismic reinforcements at the time of purchase.
It's all a method of gradually updating the housing stock without draconian blanket regulations.
We can all get behind that, right?
k
Generally, if it takes less than one minute to fill to the tank after flushing, it's a 1.6 gal toilet. But Calvin's method provides the final answer.
Edited 5/30/2009 8:44 am by Hudson Valley Carpenter
turn off the supply
flush the toilet
if there is still a turd in the bowl, it is lo-flow
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brownbagg beat you to it... (first post, natch)
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saw that. I'm just not fast 'nuff to stay ahead of that young feller.
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Made in 2006? Unless it slipped in from Canada, its a water saver.
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Isn't Crane Canadian?
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Yeah, I'm almost certain it's a 1.6 gpf, just wondering if there's a way to document that for sale.
k
Unless it slipped in from Canada, its a water saver.
I'll correct that to read, 'unless it came in from old stock in the warehouse....' We haven't sold new full-sized tanks up here for ten, twelve years, minimum.
If the pot was manufactured for sale anywhere in N. America in 2006, chances are virtually 100% it's a 1.6gpf job.
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Yeah, I'm about 100% sure it's a 1.6 gpf. Just wondering if there's a way to document that.
k
First, I'm surprised to see all the negative comments about low-flow toilets. The early low-flows were bad, no doubt. But there's been much engineering done on low-flows such that toilets have never worked better.
Of course, you're all familiar with toilet MaP testing, right? Basically it proves that there are 6 and even 3-litre flush toilets that will dispose of more #### than even you guys can expel.
And secondly, Dinosaur, all toilets in Quebec might be low-flow, but in Ontario we're still dumb enough to allow 13-litre flushers.
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How do you know if it's Lo-Flow?
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But there's been much engineering done on low-flows such that toilets have never worked better.
I think that's overly optimistic. There are still current models that don't flush worth a shît. I (like a dummy) paid $400+ for one a few years back when my 9-y-o son dropped his toothbrush down our 1940-something Omer Deserres classic crâpper, got excited, and flushed. Damned toothbrush jammed itself so tight in the trap bend that even a snake couldn't get it loose.
So I bought one of those 'Victorian' jobs with the fluted base (to match the tile decor in the bathroom) and soon learned that it can't be depended upon to flush cleanly more than twice in five tries.
That experience led me to do some research, and this photo I took for an aborted bathroom design article in FHB shows quite graphically what it's all about.
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Toilets with a sharply doubled trap bend (left, above) don't flush well; any "brown trouts" longer than about 4" get caught trying to bend around the hairpin corner. OTOH, toilets with wide, sweeping trap bends (right, above) can swallow any length.
...all toilets in Quebec might be low-flow, but in Ontario we're still dumb enough to allow 13-litre flushers.
I attribute that to the fact that us Quebecers produce a lotta chickenshît, while in Ontario, youse guys are fulla Bull....
Dinosaur
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I bought a new toilet from HD, I thought they was all low flo.
Am not very happy with it, We are all big poopers hereLOL.
Gonna go get a old one my friend has behind his shop and rebuild it.
This one's been good to me. I had one of the early models before this that didn't work worth a s**t, but this one's been fine.
But how do I document that it is indeed a 1.6 gpf?
So far Calvin's method is the best way of proving it. Sure would be nice if I could find a PDF for this model's manual though...
k
I'd bet the inspector knows just by looking. He has probably seen several just like what you have. Have 1.6 gals ready when he arives just in case.
Dry the inside of the tank out and then, with a permanent marker, write "1.6 gallon flush" inside the tank.
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Best idea yet!
(If my handwriting didn't look like a drunken 5 year old's). Maybe I can get a stencil...
k
just adjust the float for a low flow 1.6 gallon, as soon as he leaves crank it back up to five gallons