Rent the movie, is it called…..uh….”Back to L.A” by Cheech Maron?
Be illegal
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Maybe I'll just illegally download me a copy.......................................
download me one too.funniest movie I ever saw.....I'll send Cheech the five bucks so I won't feel bad for stealin'......hmmmmmm...or maybe just blow a bone in his name as I watch it...... ; )~
Be illegal,
andy
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Compensating illegal aliens for anything is taking money out of my, your, our, and all of our friends pockets and sending it to Juarez via Western Union.
Please don't do it.
Just this carpenters opinion. rg
"Compensating illegal aliens for anything is taking money out of my, your, our, and all of our friends pockets and sending it to Juarez via Western Union. "
And buying pretty much any product these days from your local mega-mall is taking money out of my, your, our, and all of our friends pockets and sending it to Juarez and all of asia via free trade.
"Anyone who knowingly hires illegals is a despicable sorry piece of shlt that should be tied to a poll in the middle of town and allowed to be kicked in the balls by every jobles American that wants to. "
Few jobless people *want* the jobs a lot of illegals take. Like it or not, illegals are a very important part of our capitalist economy. Without them, you'd be paying a LOT more for your food and dairy products, for instance.
And if a person wants to call people that hire 'illegals' "sorry pieces of shlt" I hope they, themselves, are also checking each and every product label and tracking each and every part that goes into all of the products they use to make sure 100% of everything they purchase and consume isn't made by anything but hard-working, fairly paid-with-benefits Americans and not anything made anywhere that people may make sub-standard wages (like Mexico, south America, and most of Asia.) If they do, then fine, I won't argue their POV on illegals, but I find a lot of people that find immigrants the worst thing ever have no problem going to KMart and buying underware produced by some slave-labor factory in SouthEast Asia.
Please note that you responded to both me AND Molten in your post. I would never call anyone a POS, neither on the web nor in person.
rg
I said: "Anyone who knowingly hires illegals" I did not know that hiring illegals to do work in our country was part of free trade. Now how would I know if my Captain America underoos were made in a slave-labor factory in SouthEast Asia when I went to KMart to purchase them?
You can't get a minimum wage job in LA or San Diego if you wanted or needed to. They're all filled pretty continously. Does that suck if I lose my job and need money?
Flooding the country with illegals is not the answer. Rational legal immigration policy to the south is. I agree with the point on changing demographics, we need immigration just as Europe does. And it's a tough life getting on your feet in a foreign land. I have some experience at it. Our na't'l policy is to let illegal immigrants flow pretty freely over because middle-america wants a two dollar cheeseburger. Does that justify the policy?
remodeler
And I HAVE employed illegals. I inherited a crew to run with one from Venezuela. This person told me their social security number was "Mickey Mouses". So maybe I'm a coward - I liked this person and eventually they moved on, on their own.
remodeler
btw it's worth learning some spanish however you feel about the situation
one other thought......in 1492 who were the illegals that mass murdered the indians?
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While we are on the subject of the American Indians, Why is it that they are considered to have been such an ideal society. They were killing and raping and enslaving each other long before any white men were here. They took land from each other by force just like every other society that has ever existed. No better no worse. I guess some people just have such a guilt of being "white" that they idealize everything else, much like some of you seem to idealize every country other than the U. S. A. . Sure, the white man pretty much wiped out the American Indian, but if they had been in the "white mans" shoes they would have done the same thing. It has always been that way whether you "civilized" people want to believe it or not.
charles,
That post was by far one of the most moronic posts I've ever read here!
Where does your information come from bro.....oops, sorry, youre no bro of mine.
And what society are you from that is so perfect? You making a confession to a priest? Does that wipe out all your sins? And the priest.how about him?
I'd sure love to hear what makes your lily white world so perfect.
Lets hear how you came about running that BS about American Indians.
BTW...I hate calling them American Indians.....know why? Cause they were here before it was amerika you jerk off.
One other thing..we have a really well respected indian brother that frequents this site...we love the guy and I'm real surprised he hasn't laced into your dumb azz comment.....spose he's a bit more above that than I am...
Get real! Get facts! Get lost!
Andy Clifford The way we regard death is critical to the way we experiance life.
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Timely news report from the WTO meeting in Mexico today:
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030911/RTRAD11/TPBusiness/TopStories
Comeon Andy! You really think that the indigeonous people of north America were virgins when it comes to violence and injustice before the Europeans got here? You been watching too much Disney channel..
Excellence is its own reward!
"You really think that the indigeonous people of north America were virgins when it comes to violence and injustice before the Europeans got here?"
They certainly had wars, but nothing to the extent that white europe had known.
http://www.wellnations.com/v3i3st3.html
What white Europe (and later, white America) did to the native american nations of north and central/south Amrica is something that, unfortunately, isn't taught or remembered to any extent in our society. It's a fascinating history.
Having known several folks of Pawnee, Lakota, Blackfoot, Cherokee (including my wife and then, of course, my kids), and other tribal extraction, I have to say that I symapthize with what was written on the link you posted, but animosity between Crows and Lakota was well documented before the Little Big Horn party. Anyone who wants can read up and find that, yes, a lot of what was written by whites was BS, but a lot was also written that was very accurate.
Those of so called native ancestry are of Asian ancestry. The "close the gate behind me" phenomenon has been around for a very long time.
Try reading Tough Trip Through Paradise by Andrew Garcia... Might want to read things by Plenty Coup, Black Elk, and Forrest Carter, too...
Piffin has a valid point. There is no easy and simple version of this issue if you really want to look at it from all sides.Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a carpenter to build one.
Yea, I'm not saying Native Nations didn't war...just that their defition of war was a bit different than the Spanish and Americans at the time...just as our definition of war these days is much different.
Dammit...now I've last track of what we're debating... ;o)
If you like to read, check out Watch For Me On The Mountain by Forrest Carter.
Geeeeeeeronimo!Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a carpenter to build one.
I've read that Carter is pretty free and liberal with his literary license. Makes for interesting readding but not for documentable history..
Excellence is its own reward!
I agree and I didn't make that clear. The Cherokee gave him the title of "Story Teller"... not historian.Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a carpenter to build one.
you know something folks , no group of people are any better than the next.
china had its mongols from the north its emperer in the rest that slautered people
africa had it's slave traders
the incas liked wars so did the myans
native american tribes fought pretty dam good
south sea islanders didn't just sit around and eat coconuts
japan went out and did some whoop a$$
the moors went across the med. sea and not for tea
white euros fought around the place
if I missed any one I'm sorry
so who's better than who(whom)
Daniel
Linguistic studies are interesting. They show that in almost every tribe or culture on earth, the name for the original group is the same root word as "The People" or "The Chosen" and the word for any any all outsiders is the same as for barbarians.
In other words, all cutures traditionally think of themselves as a holy chosen people and think of others as destroyers.
Even seems to apply lately to political parties...
But the fact is, that within every grouping of people, there are peaceful and violent individuals.
There are trustworthy and scoundrels
Hard-working and lazy
Yada, Yada, and non-yada...
Anyone who thinks any one culture has outdone another in this vein is denying human nature and the facts of history.
Within my immediate family are one with 1/32 native because of a native who raped her ancestor, and one who is 1/8 Cherokee because of a white man who left "civilization" to live with them in Oklahoma in a sanctified union for life.
My own great, great Grandfather left Europe to get away from the germanic wars there but a couple generations before that, one of his progenitors had fought as one of Napoleans Officers.
I'm betting that every family has a mix like that just as every tribe and cuilture has a mix of good and bad..
Excellence is its own reward!
I am said to have g-g-grandma that is said to be cherokee from ok also
what's up cuz
Daniel
it's a good way to assimilate cultures , eh?.
Excellence is its own reward!
Have you seen "The Gangs of New York" yet? Very violent for my taste, but changed my perspective on immigration.
After a cultural group becomes entrenched in a society, they seem to feel they've earned the privelege of abusing the next group to come along.
Jen
Not seen that one yet. In what way did it change your views?.
Excellence is its own reward!
The scenes in which 2cd generation Americans were throwing rocks and insults at the Irish families disembarking from ships at the docks were intense. I'm part Irish, as many of us are.
There was also a lot of grumbling about how the "damn Irish" were taking jobs away from Americans, and driving down wages. Sound familiar?
It's a shame humans aren't born with a natural inclination for empathy.
Someone was complaining to me today about the large population of Armenians in this area...many of them are engineers and architects, or run auto repair shops. They work hard, learn to speak English, and pay taxes. Not particularly friendly, but legal citizens.
Jen
Jen
we're all friendly..cept those that aren't..in which case.....try hugs!
Sometimes hard to do, but how simple can it be? when we honestly try.......
Ever smile at an angry person? see what happens..ever try a hug to an angry person? See what it does..so simple yet.......
Be eye contact
andy The way we regard death is critical to the way we experiance life.
When your fear of death changes, the way you live your life changes.
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We have a similar attitude here on this island. Even though there are not enough people living here to do all the work, some rsidents complain about "those damn mainlanders coming over on the ferry to...".
Excellence is its own reward!
Andy, I tend to jump in for the underdogs, too, but your response was just as overblown as what you were responding to.
Look at 34556.47 also...
Please understand, this is an issue about which I have strong feelings, too.
Be at peace.....Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a carpenter to build one.
Dont really see anything in my post that someone with half a brain cant fiure out. What it boils down to is that none of the cultures Ive ever read about were without their own brand of racism and violence. Indians were no different. People like you prefer to name call because they dont have any facts to share. Do you think slavery and murder didnt exist in the Native American culture? If so you really should read a book once in a while.
<<Why is it that they are considered to have been such an ideal society. They were killing and raping and enslaving each other long before any white men were here. >>
Who exactly said it was an ideal society first of all???? Where'd you get that from?
From the context that you write your post, it led me to my anger with it because of the generalization.
We're "all" human beings so no kidding there were autrosities within every group.."especially" religious ones like priests "rapping" young boys repeatidly. Or all the wars they've started but I don't generalize to the degree that makes it sound as though its rampant. Although...
Jen,
I felt the same way about that movie although I wonder how much artistic liscense was used.
I'm betting it was sort of accurate....makes sense. The way we regard death is critical to the way we experiance life.
When your fear of death changes, the way you live your life changes.
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never saw the movie
but remember my mother (she came over from europe) telling me of a large fight between two ethinic groups on a bridge between Cambridge and Boston. so this would have occurred about 1915? guessing date bobl Volo Non Voleo
your words and the tone of your post made a strong impression that you thought the indiginous society here was pretty ideal by comparison to the whites.
But then you were on such a romp yesterday that I was thinking it was time for a time out in the old Tipi. Or maybe a trip upstate.
;).
Excellence is its own reward!
you read me right bro! Cept the white society is no different than any other....it's individuals that create negative passions.in all societies.
Everyone seems to be some sort of club.
I watched a special about the Hells Angles the other day and Sonny Barger said through his cancer kazoo that the angles hated to be called a gang rather than a club....go figure.
Well back to the hole in the ground before the rain comes.
Be words
andy
PS not that this has anything to do with anything but thought you might dig this article...WARREN ZEVON, 1947-2003 The way we regard death is critical to the way we experiance life.
When your fear of death changes, the way you live your life changes.
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
They started out as a club
but a club with ganglike tendencies in most of its members
making it a
gang
So if a country is ruled by poiticians, kings, terrorists or whatever you call them
and they act like or tolerate
terrorism
the contry is a terrorist country
most of the indian tribes here had no rulers
but their way of life for many was warlike
making them...
normal?.
Excellence is its own reward!
No rulers?
Don't understand.
Each tribe had their own chiefs for the most part.
Warlike?
Don't understand.
Piff.....thats a bit of a vague comment that covers an awful lot of indians lives.
You know you're asking for trouble here with me..bringing on a totally different thread.....I already feel he hairs on my back ready to stand to attention....lol.
Wanna talk about different cultures?
How bout Palestine?
Can you name one ruler besides Arafat with out googling......whats the language?
Whats the religion exactly?
They were like gypsies till the land got built up by the Israelies (which I even have a problem with to a degree).
This world is a pretty egotistical place to live in IMHO.
Far too many negative comments about everyone and so few positive solutions...
Its such a huge picture and it outta hand if ya ask me.
Time to take a breath and re-evealuate whats important that concerns all the children.all over the world.
I think we all including me (beleive it or not...lol) get outta control and wrapped up in BS...the small stuff.
Dr.Phill says he's starting a revolution to help over weight fatties....c'mon.....
Priests and Rabbi's and Guru's are also gonna save the planet.....
IMHO...we all need a moment each day of meditation.
No judging...just some love like you have for your kids....cept for everyone.....We "all" get toowrapped up.
Be a deep breath
Namaste'
andy
PS...I appologize for my stupid comments by the way.......I do loose it sometimes ; )~ The way we regard death is critical to the way we experiance life.
When your fear of death changes, the way you live your life changes.
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"I think we all including me (beleive it or not...lol) get outta control and wrapped up in BS...the small stuff."
I think that's what I said.
the idea of indian chiefs being rulers is a white mans idea. Every buck did what he wanted. The strong man of the tribe automatically inspired many or most to follow his leadership and example due to his srtength and respect for his life and the way he led it, not respect for a position he inherited. If an indian chie were to make a decision the tribal members disagreed with or tried to order them about, he would be left standing all alone. Not too diferent from the Isrealiis in the time of the Judges after they came into palestine and before King Saul.
Arrafat has come to the same sort of leadership position. There is no organization amoungst the Palestinians. Their behaviour is more that of gypsy criminals and his is that of a crime lord. Smelliest turd on the pile.
Excellence is its own reward!
"Now how would I know if my Captain America underoos were made in a slave-labor factory in SouthEast Asia when I went to KMart to purchase them?"
My point is that we, as a society, use cheap labor wherever we can find it. Whether it is here on our own soil, via lower wages in India, or via some sweatshop in Laos. Let's not pretend that Mexicans are the sole cause of lost jobs in this country. It's because of things like free trade that laborers in Mexico aren't getting paid livable wages. It's our own desire for ultra-cheap goods that actually drives people to take huge risks in trying to cross the border to work here.
I haven't personaly lost a job to an illegal alien, so I can't put myself in your shoes, but I can sympathize. I just can't put all the blame on the immigrant who is try to support his family back home. There's more to it than that. They're just the easy scapegoat.
Ricky...sorry about the reply-to thing. I still find this feature to reply to specific people the most inane feature of any web forum I've ever participated in. Just plain confusing to me. ;o)
That's not all you don't understand. The wages and standard of living in Mexico are going up due to free trade, not down. Total wages paid by domestic US corporations are also up, they just don't go to the same people as they did 30 years ago.
.
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
Edited 9/11/2003 1:50:52 AM ET by Phill Giles
"That's not all you don't understand. The wages and sandard of living in Mexico is going up due to free trade, not down."
I"m guessing few of us fully understands it. It's a fairly complex system.
Here's some sources that show that NAFTA isn't such a great thing for mexico (lower wages, increased polution, etc.):
http://www.afsc.org/news/1999/nrnafta.htm
http://bernie.house.gov/imf/wto.asp
http://www.uscatholic.org/2000/06/0006mex.htm
I'm sure you can find as many links saying the opposite. You bring up a good point though. Still, I have to ask if the standard of living is increasing there, why would people still risk their lives and life savings trying to cross the border to work the type of jobs they're taking here in the US?
The reality is that a global economy and free trade will increase the amount of imigration (and emigration) from disparate countries. Legal or illegal, free trade is going to encourage it more than discourage.
And Phil...the comment about more jobs, just not the same people is the other point I was trying to make. I agree with it.
One needs to ask if they really lost their job due to an illegal immigrant stealing it, or a large corporation sending it elsewhere. Either way, we're loosing jobs to cheaper labor. Why? We want cheaper goods. ;o)
Low-wage jobs are service jobs, and require them be present - immigrants, legal or otherwise, get these jobs because they'll take them. Jobs going off-shore are higher up the scale (electronics manufacturing was the big one in '02 with over 425K lost jobs.
The people being hired and making ever bigger bucks are the senior knowlege works and senior management: these jobs all pay big taxes, so the government smiles on this..
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
There are lots of reasons why they go to the US, and most of them are based on myths; but, when there's little/no social safety net and unempoyment, the unemployed may look for work elsewhere.
How does free trade or the global economy increase "immigration from desparate countries ? Wouldn't it, by definition, have the opposite effect >.
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
"Wouldn't it, by definition, have the opposite effect "
Maybe. I'm certainly no world economics genious. The thinking is that free trade thrives off of countries with low labour wages to decrease the price of products sold back home, which then increases the standard of living. So, it's only natural for people to want to migrate from the country thriving off of low wages and to the country with the higher standard of living.
I think, in theory, Free Trade was meant to balance everything out, but I don't think that will happen as long as there are people that gain from the inbalance. ;o)
Anyone who knowingly hires illegals is a despicable sorry piece of shlt that should be tied to a poll in the middle of town and allowed to be kicked in the balls by every jobless American that wants to. If they are skilled, dependable, and efficient then let them go back home and be skilled, dependable, and efficient there. Most of them would not let you weasel into there country and take jobs away from them.
did you forget your prozac?
samT
was it that obvious?
So exactly how did your ancestors come into this country?
How many of your ancestors are true blue?
People like you sicken me in so many ways even within my understanding of where youre coming from........aint so much about illegals but more about good people looking for a better life.
Exactly what have you done to better "our" so perfect world bro?
What makes you any better than your or my ancestors that looked towards some sort of freedom?
You the deputy chief of whos allowed here and who isnt? Why?
Who's your god? What does he or she say about this?
Ever enter anyone elses heart and soul for two seconds?
You own this country/world?
Dude.....youre way off base bro IMHO ....Listen....IMHO.....the soul works through kind of"psychic DNA", which mnifests on many planes......our bodies, our personalities, our dreams, ....using all of it to work out the karma of the soul......
Do you understand that bro?
Lighten up a bit and walk along the fringe to the place we care about one another,
Be more understanding and walk a bit more lightly homes
Namaste'
andy The way we regard death is critical to the way we experiance life.
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Ummm...my ancestors were LEGAL immigrants...they didn't sneak in under some fence. They were invited here by other LEGAL immigrants that had work for them. I have no problem with giving work to LEGAL immigrants.
I don't believe in any "god".
Maybe you should try to enter the heart and soul for two seconds of a person who's lost his job to a lower paid ILLEGAL immigrant.
No, I don't own the world or country, just voicing an opinion.
not only that
will you hit the field to pick the fruit, vegies and flowers ( for your better half)
scrap the gravel roof in 110 dedree sun
clean the cow and chicken sh!t
clean the stalls for 100 horses (I have) the man that took my place was living in his car with his wife (pregnant) and little baby. my boss at the time converted a 10x10 stall to a room with as sink and she cried b/c she had never lived in a "house" with a floor other than dirt.
your lilly white world must be soooo very good
will work for food my s$$
and I aint even a liberal
Daniel
Daniel
Very well said! Its more than what some people see on the tip of their noses.
Funny enough, some of the illegals around here from what I "see" work a hell of a lot harder than legals for some reason....and for less money.
And no, I've never hired an illegal but not because I was so against it...just never did. simple as that.
Currently, I'm helping a Muslum kid (23) who's an architect student learn building.and yeh, I even pay him...lol.
I think he has a really hard time with people around him...he looks like a terrorist..lol..actually thats what I call him. Thing is.don't judge a book by its cover and think more about helping people rather than critisizing them.
Be thoughtful
andy
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There are other choices to hireing illegals. Try a temporary labor service. Some of the laborers are actually pretty good and can speak english. Also, they come w/ workers comp. I learned the hard way after a illegal I hired off the corner was injured on my job. It wasn't long before he had himself a spanish speaking lawyer!!
What if they are not illegals?
Can the crew leader get a business license?
samT
This is one of those topics I hate to see come up because it invariably invites flaming unreasonable responses.
Fact is that while some areas of the country see wages hurt by illegals, there are many other areas of the country where there are just not enough Americans willing to do construction and other work. Our native labor pool has shrunk and it will continue to shrink #### the baby boom generation nears retirement. That same demographic merans that this generation is expanding the market for retirement and vacation homes, second homes (divorces) and investment properties. Who will do the building to meet that market?
I do not advocate hiring illegals or free and wide open borders. But I do recommend expanding the number of legal aliens welcome in our country. I say help them to become legal in whatever way possible. They will be paying into the social security system when I retire, and may be mowing my lawen, cooking my restaurant meals, re-roofing my house or painting it, and filling up the service industry if they are inside out borders legally.
Force them underground and the market need will still feed them but the system won't benefit.
Excellence is its own reward!
Not getting into the legal or illegal part but, the latin crews that work this area are some of the best labor around, I know many companies that hire nothing but south of border workers. Remember most of my dealing are with dirt and concrete.
I agree with you completely...that's what I was trying to say :)
Isn't there a downward spiral beginning to happen here? I mean, there's less and less people willing to do the work, mainly because the wages are getting lower, but it seems the wages are dropping because there are so many illegals willing to do the same work for a fraction of the price.
Piffen,
I would very happily hire some mexican immigrants---or sub to them---If only I could find any.
LOL
we had to buiild a new building for the border patrol. I really hate to count how many illegals we had on that project. Of course they all had green cards
You've got me confused now. Isn't a "green card" a permission slip that makes them legal? If so, how can you be a legal illegal? Or is that an illegal legal? Maybe they've got feather's and they're L'il Eagles....
Excellence is its own reward!
actually there is some evidence to suggest that the original peoples inhabiting the americas are for all practical purposes genetically "white". what happened to these people and why they weren't here in 1492 is unknown.
as far as this conversation goes its all about money, thats why people came here in the first place mostly, and thats why people continue to come here mostly. it would be nice if there was a level playing field. i once said to a man i worked with that i felt sorry for him having to work so far from his home and family, but that when he retires at 40-45 he can feel sorry for me still having to work and no end in sight.
i would love to be able to work and save for 10-15 years and buy land and a house on it for less than $25,000 and have living expenses so low that for $1,000 a month you live like a king. the problem is the imbalance between the different places, it is going to have to become more equal. that means some of us will make less while many of us will make more and a few unscrupulous ones exploit the situation to make fortunes.
i and my descedants alas are in the group that will work harder for less, as are most of the readers of this post. however i lose more scruples all the time.
IMHO, the fact that most work their asses off, is not the issue.
The fact that “who else will do what they do?” is not the issue, either. The “who else” will do the work when the hourly wage increases, which it would - basic economic “supply and demand” or in this case, “demand and supply.”
So prices go up and we pay more. It’s either that or we lose our country - period!
The issue is simple: They are ILLEGAL aliens. As such, they are breaking federal & state laws. And with intentionally keeping our borders porous, also come the terrorists.
Personally I’m tired of hearing and reading all of the “rationalizations.” What’s next? It’s OK to steal some material from Joe’s job site because Joe should be paying Bill more money - anyway. Isn't that exactly how Bill “rationalizes?”
I need three engineers for my company. Instead of paying three Americans about $65K/year, I’ll hire three illegal alien Pakistanis at $40K/year & save that $75K plus labor burden and perks. I’ll “rationalize” my decision by saying it’s mandated so I can stay competitive.
My wife has put on 75 pounds since we’ve been married and we've been married 8 years. Therefore I can “rationalize” to myself (and others) that I'm now “justified” in cheating on her.
What’s everyone’s favorite rationalization: “Everyone does it!”
Whew! That was close. I almost had to do something about the illegal alien problem. Thank God for rationalizations.
The fact is that we, as average Americans, are being sold out by both political parties. Does anyone here really think that either party cares if we even incur 100,000 Americans killed during the next terrorist attack? Of course not, because there will still be 299,900,000 Americans left to be sought and “controlled” by the party in power. Votes are “bought” and the money to buy them is paid for by the middle class. Always has been and always will be.
Homeland Security is an international joke, perpetuated upon the average American, and purely for “glitz.” Throw something to the a**holes to keep them quiet. Wait until tomorrow when we’ll all see & hear the phony bleeding heart politicians talking about Sept. 11.
Does anyone really think that big business is loyal to America considering global business? Of course not. And governments are owned big business, not us. We, like all other countries, represent nothing more than “hosts” from which big business feeds upon, either in “making” their products or “buying” them - or both. So if one million people around the world die from terrorist attacks, who could care less because there are potential BILLIONS of customers left for global big business.
We are merely the worker ants - the drone bees. Accept it and protect your own ant hill or hive. Eventually Mexifornia will become Mexamerica. Yep, we'll save America from the Muslim extremists, but for all of the illegal aliens. Sorry, “undocumented workers”. That makes us nothing more than “documented workers.” Either name, we’re still merely - “workers”.
I'm still unclear as to how you can even have "undocumented" workers in the US and not pay their benefits and insurance ? About the only way I could do that here is to take cash jobs and do everything by cash (wages, materials, expenses, tools, ... everything)..
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
Did anybody ask the native Americans if they could work there.
California was Mexican before it became a US state. Or am I wrong?Willem the Hollander,
Gardening 18ft below sealevel
you are right
but before it was Mexican it was Spanish
before that belonged to several tribes
before that ???bobl Volo Non Voleo
What ever happen to the UNDOCUMENT WORKER LAW? The one where if you hire some one that was not born in the USA or has applied to the our government for permission to work here. You get fined $200. to $10,000 dollars a day and if you keep hireling them you can get a jail sentence. Did the government repeal that law and I did not hear about it.
I think you can get around that law by telling the judge that you felt bad for the illegal immigrant(s) and you were trying to "enter someone else's heart and soul for two seconds" and help them out, or you could explain to the judge that hiring illegal immigrants is no different than buying personal articles of clothing from a department store. Every law has a clause that it can be broken if you're in the right "spiritual" mindset.
I don't know first-hand about your environment wrt aliens. Here, the practise would most often be to demand that all your subs provide proof of insurance and GST registration. If you feel strongly about the status of a sub's employees, then blow the whistle; if not, then don't put yourself in the middle and make yourself culpable.
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
While working on JTF-6 mission in the southwest U.S. our mission was to watch for drugs coming across the border. Never once saw any drugs. What i did see was thousands of people coming across the border at night. All in search of a better life.
It wasn't too long ago most of our families did something not too different. mine from England and Norway.
Check it out. What hurts our wages and jobs is the fact that they are illegal. The are forced into a sub-economy that deals in cash. Or, they get false documents and move around a lot.
I had a boss who hired two guys from south america. Both had documents making them legal to work in the U.S about six months later they both left with no explanation. a week or so later we got notification that the social security numbers they gave didn't match the names.
All the money they made was taxed. that tax was paid to our government. They can never get it back. As illegals the also get no services.
Most of these people don't deal in cash. they get false documents and move around when they think they will be discovered. And the government keeps the money. the government likes this arrangement. As much as i hate to qoute NPR( or as I prefer to call it,NCR, national communist radio) they once gave figures for how much money is collected and put into use by the government from the taxes of illegal workers. It was stagerring.
Make them legal right up front. when they feel the pain of taxes and all the other good things about america it may not be so great. They will also have to compete on the same playing feild as the rest of us. Same costs, same price structure. then the dirt bags who use them won't have as much incentive.
Want to say bad things about them? try getting an english speaking white guy to mow your lawn or carry lumber for four hours. No one wants to hire them but we hjave all seen the posts right here about how hard it is to hire help. At least they show up every day.
I'm sure by tomorrow someone will question my patriotism. Go ahead with to armed forces expiditionary medals and a few nato medals my record can stand on it's own
And that movie, not his best work.