How do you choose style of roof brackets
Gable roof, pitch 8:12, with shingles (made by Tamko) called Lamarite. They’re meant to simulate slate, and are pretty stiff. But what I did was to hold pressure on the nailing spot while prying up the bottom edge, and I was able to lift it up 2″. Is that enough to insert a roof bracket up under there and get it nailed? Pardon me, but I’m assuming you have to place a nail under there to hold the bracket, and I can’t imagine how to get the nail hammered in! I also imagine you could place all your bracket nails before any shingles are applied, and just mark the shingles to help you relocate them when it’s time to hang the brackets and move up the roof. So how is the process done?
Actually, I started this thread to ask about bracket selection. I saw an ad from someone wanting to sell his 90 degree roof brackets. I’ve seen some brackets that keep the plank level with the ground, and others that keep the plank perpendicular to the slope of the roof. Why would I want one kind over the other is my question.
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On this type of roof I would use long planks with the tops hooked over the ridge and the brackets attached to these. I think the "hook" under the shingle way of mounting the brackets would be tough to use and remove after use.
You put the brackets on before you install the next course. Put the bracket over the rain grooves ( I've seen Lamarties, but never handled them - they're rubber slate if I remember correctly) and nail them down with several 16d nails (not roofing nails). apply the next course and on and on. When you're done, push up on the bracket and it will slip off the 16d nails. Don't worry about the 16d nails - leave them. If you've installed the brackets right, the nails will be covered.
Personally, I like 90 degree brackets. Materials and tools are less likely to slip between the bracket and the roof. They are also more likely to stop you in a slide.
Good luck.
I'm not green anymore.
When I dry in a roof, I try to place most of the platic caps on the rafters to make them easier to find later. Then When setting jacks, I make sure to nail where the rafter is. There is a reason for this. I used to use roofing nails for the jacks, until one fine winter day, I had one cut loose. The story of how I did not falllllll ALL the way down 28' into rock and rebar is legendary by now.
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"I had two bundles of 30 yr. arch shingles on one shoulder, a 50 poung box of nails in my nail apron.
the wind was howling at nigh 50 knots.
the snow in the valleys was accumulating faster than 3 helpers could shovel it off, with 6 inches of the blackest ice underneath.
I had already laid 27 square and was hankering for a fres pot of joe as it was almost 9am.
the crew was whining and blubbering about how any sane man wouldn't be on a roof in a blizzard...
pussies...
So I nailed down two bundles I was totin' and it took me almost 3 minutes so i figured I was getting tired too and decided to take a break after we stacked some more shingles on the planks.
So I jumped off the ridge onto the drive way and grabb two more bundles in each hand.
the ladder complained loudly as my massive frame and heavy load strained it to 3 times its rated strength.
reaching the top run of planks I tossed down 2 bundles to one side and was preparing to toss the other twowhen...
My ears heard the unmistakeable sound of a bracket that was about to let go.
with the reflexes of a Siberian Tiger on crack I leapt for the safety of valley...
but my 300 lbs of muscular hulk bent the crampons on my boots like they were cheap solder.
without a though my right hand reach reflexively for my trusty 48 ounce custom made roofing hammer.
as I slide on my back down an icy 36/12 slope that would make Sir Edmund Hillary cry for his Mommy, I swung with all my might and drove the claws of my trusty hammer into the hrdened steel vent pipe I had expertly flashed the day before.
with one arm I pulled my sel back up on the lower plank and reaized I still was holding on to the 2 bundles!
'Well thats enuff excitement for one morning ' I exclaimed ' lets take coffee'"
Excerpted from the " Tall tales of Paul 'Bunyan' Piffin"
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"I think natural selection must have greatly rewarded the ability to reassure oneself in a crisis with complete bull$hit."
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Its only 6:33 AM, but I think you just made my day with that story. Any idea where I can get a copy of the full length novel or should I wait for the movie to come out? :)
I think that my momma may have told us that story at bedtime!
Dustin T
She stunted your growth by keeping you awake all night with fright, eh?
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Thats the best piece of writing I've seen in a long long time!Is it a true story???
Every word!!"I think natural selection must have greatly rewarded the ability to reassure oneself in a crisis with complete bull$hit."
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Are you trying to repair this roof after the install or put in a skylight or other vent?If a new install then these shingles should be treated as a "hard" roof and adjustable slating brackets used.Wooden shingling brackets wont be long enough to be fastened above the top of the shingle,where these should be placed.
If repair then use a single ladder with an attached peak hook to go over the ridge.
Vanguard also makes an ultimate ridge hook which can be bolted to a plank so that you could do as another poster suggested.
New information on roof bracket needs.
Today I ordered the roofing shingles (Lamarite rubberlike slate), and asked the owner at the supply house about delivery. He said I should build a platform at the ridge and run it as long as possible along the ridge so the shingles can be roof-delivered to the platform and spread out along the length of the ridge.
Therefore, my posting about roof jacks is now a bit different. I don't need the roof jack/planks assembly to hold much material, so I think I need them more for a platform to stand on while shingling. So isn't it true that I would go for the level-to-ground planks and not the kind of roof jacks that keep the plank 90 degrees to the slope of the roof, which is in my case 8 in 12. ???
For those who have asked: this is new construction, not a repair. And yes I am doing the work myself along with one helper who does have building experience.
Barbara
Slateman, you wouldn't happen to have access to any photos showing these slate brackets in use, would you? No one else has mentioned the length of the bracket, and the necessity to have it extend beyond the shingle....
Barbara
Check with the Lamarite people about whether you can nail the brackets thru their material,in which case I would use traditional wooden shingling brackets adjusted to level.
If it is to be treated like slate or tile then longer tabs will be needed,I think ABC Supply carries them.
Barbara,
you definitely, definitely want slaters jacks.
they are kind of expensive, but they last forever. I am currently using some my grandpa used back in the 40's
I ( personally)use them on asphalt shingle roofs as well-------they take a 2x12 plank and are adjustable so you can keep 'em horizontal on just about any pitch roof.
A 2x12 makes a very nice, safe working platform----especially on steeper roofs.
the 2x12 ARE heavy though----so most roofers use fixed 90 degree or 60 degree jacks that take 2x6----cheaper and lighter----but a 2x6 encourages damaging foot traffic and scuff marks on shingles. Personally I would rather wear out the 2x12 than the new shingles.
best wishes,
Stephen