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By Joe I think he’s got it. Say anywhere from 1.25 yards sand to 1.5 yds. If it is indeed a single course on a footing you would want to be on the long side of this, (usually need full bed of mortar for first course)however would use less on after first course. Have you considered just stacking them and putting a parge coat on both sides with reinforced stucco coat. This is called (I forget what this is called) but have read about it. I’ve laid thousands of block the standard way though. I think that I pity your “hod carrier”. Who is this going to be?
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I misplaced my builders book and need to order some sand.
And I'm too lazy to do the research.
blue
*5 cy.. i can carry two in the back of my F150..so, that's 6 cy (5 for the mason )for the mason, and a yard for the barn cats to scratch in.....((3/8 x 4 inch)) / 12 = ( .125 ft x 1000 ft ) / 27
*Thanks for the info MIKE. Where'd the four in the equation come from?blue
*..i wuz wingin it.... i guessed a half a yard.. so anyways..the 3/8 is the joint.. the 4 inch is the web...convert to feet...i never wud a gessed 5 yards though...
*Hey Mike,
View Image © 1999-2000"More than any time in history mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly." Woody Allen
*Hey!!! You guys are messing with my money! Okay. Heres my follow up question. I'm building my house on Lake Huron, and it is loaded with "sugar" sand. Is this a suitable sand for masonry? I'm thinking of saving the dough and investing it in cast iron and metal conduit.....b NOT!!!BLUE
*Blue,
View Image © 1999-2000"More than any time in history mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly." Woody Allen
*sh**t joe .. i yust about had the rube..yeh.. my gut said a half a yard...ok so.it's 5 yards for the barn cats..i'm not a mason but i was a mortar man fer the fbi....i don't think the sugar sand has the right tooth, i always buy mason's sand, ..i don't know what sugar sand is good for, my digger doesn't like it..my mason doesn't like it...hey, blue, did ya catch the new , kinder , gentler joe....hah, hah, hah...(((i'm not much at math, but you gents might want to try ....)) whadda ya think?is he settin us up..er did he have a life changin experience?i'd feel better if he just sorta slapped me up the side of the head.....i got it... vince talked him into cummin to pete's.. and he's tryin on his party face....hah, hah,hah..
*Kermit/Pogo ( I guess you like things that bounce),
View Image © 1999-2000"Before you can know what it means to be burned alive. . . you have to be set on fire!" Joseph Fusco
*If you assume that you are placing a layer of mortar 3/8 inch thick, over the whole surface of the block (8" wide) for the entire 1000 linEAL feet:3/8 x 8 x 1000But this gives you (in-in-ft) so, you divide by 12 twice:3/8 x 8 x 1000/144Now you have Cubic Feet.Divide by 27:3/8 x 8 x 1000/144/27Cubic Yards:3000/144/27 = .77 yardsTrick is to look at the units. Also, this assumes you cover the entire surface, which you won't. But you will be sloppy. Also, will you fill the blocks?AdamPS. Imagine a pile of 3/8 inch carpet in a yard cube. Each layer has 4 1/2 strips 8" wide and 3 feet long. Each layer then will do 13.5 feet. There are 96 layers in the yard: 96 x 13.5 = 1296 lineal feet.
*lik ah sahd... half a yard fer the mason....half a yard fer the cats...that's it Blue,three independent confirmations and one false start...go fer it...
*hey, nobody asked me if it was hollow block or solid block!Hollow.Awright, so I gotta figue at least a 1/2" blob on all the webs. If I pretend it's solid I'll probably be pretty close.So: 1000 x 8/12 x .5/12 /27 = cu yrds.Does anyone have a calculator that I can borrow?Actually I was hoping a mason type would tell me that I need 6 or 15 yards just because he knows I do.And Mike, the sugar sand is good for....laying in, soaking up the sun.And now, I'll prove that the real Joe is sleeping, and it's a good idea to leave a sleeping dog lie.b JOE YOU FREAKIN' IDIOT, LAKE HURON IS ONE OF THE LARGEST FRESH WATER LAKES IN THE WORLD! HOW COULD YOU THINK IT WAS SALTY, YOU %$^^#&^&$# moron?!!!And I'll bet you a couple of doggie bones that I can out insulate you and tuck point more bick joints with one hand tied behind my back!So there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Logolessly yours,blue
*Adam,
View Image © 1999-2000"The city is not a concrete jungle, it is a human zoo." Charles Wadsworth
*Blue,Stop it..you're killing me!As for the answer to your question, I totally and completely agree with whomever gavee you the right answer.Pete
*1000 linear feet of block is a very, very, very low wall - but it is long. But if you plan to stack them up that translates to about 667 square feet. The short answer for mortar is 1.48 cu. yds. Sand is 3,201.6 lbs.But of course, like the rest of you, I could be wrong.
*By Joe I think he's got it. Say anywhere from 1.25 yards sand to 1.5 yds. If it is indeed a single course on a footing you would want to be on the long side of this, (usually need full bed of mortar for first course)however would use less on after first course. Have you considered just stacking them and putting a parge coat on both sides with reinforced stucco coat. This is called (I forget what this is called) but have read about it. I've laid thousands of block the standard way though. I think that I pity your "hod carrier". Who is this going to be?
*Blue , Can I borrow your pencil?
*Blue,
View Image © 1999-2000"The city is not a concrete jungle, it is a human zoo." Charles Wadsworth
*Since I make all my volume measurements with a Maxwell House coffee can, and I don't have one handy right now, I'm going to hve to guess based on this here Taster's Choice jar. I'd say it'll probably take several jars full and then a tad more. Of course, if'n you really are going to stack them blocks, you may use a jar or two less.
*I think Luka is close if he /you usea big maxwell can don't you figure 1/2 can per block? If not my mortar is all screwed up. Blue just use icf blocks ,call the ready-mix guys tell them to fill the truck and head your way , fill the blocks and use the left over to make a path to the beach. No numbers or figgerin' involved
*Awright, guys knock it off. Now I have to ask the block supplier and he'll know that I don't know what I'm doin'!This is no way to make a good impression in my new town.Oh well, maybe I'll search harder for my builder's book, or HORRORS, buy another one.Let's see, if i call Cecil and order 3,201.6 pounds of sand, will he think I'm nuts...?blue
*Blue,Don't forget the 100% waste factor so double whatever estimate you feel good about.So you're building on Lake Huron, huh? Ever consider using wood? I think block will sink. Unless it's lightweight concrete. You know better than me what you want though.Tip: If you build in shallow water, you'll save money on block!Eric
*Dang.
*Blue, when I did block foundations in NJ, I used to simply buy a tandem-axle dump load, about 22 tons, directly from the local sand pit. I had started out buying the same sand from the masonry supply yard, however much they told me that I needed. Then I noticed their sand was almost twice as expensive as that from the pit. Even though most houses took only 10 tons or less, I was ahead getting a whole load. It's always nice to have some sand on site for backfill, and when I bought it by the truck, I never ran out. And the cats around my houses were the happiest I'd ever seen. My point is that you might check prices from your sand and gravel supplier.Andy
*Heck, he'll save on sand and mortar too. Once he gets above the water line, he won't be losing so much of it to washaway anymore.What I really want to know is how are you going to pour the foundation ?Hey Blue, you gunna try to set those lower runs on foamboard ?
*Taster's Choice????????? cmon Luka. Nobody really drinks that crap do they?
*I used to. Up to about a year ago anyway. I would get a migraine every time I tried to stop. Finaly got fed up with it and lived with the migraines for a month or so. After being 'clean' for almost a year, I drank one cup of it. The next day I had a migraine again. I think they are doing something to it to make it more adictive. Like the cigarette companies puting ammonia in cigarettes to enhace nicotine uptake. Matter of fact, toward the end there I was noticing a peculiar aftertaste from the coffee. I used to smoke, and I swear the aftertaste was the same !
*Luka Here in Canada one of our large coffee shop chains (Tim Hortons) actually puts MSG in their coffee !
*Blue,Here's the foolproof plan.... Call the block supplier that you don't use and ask him how much mortar, sand, block, Maxwell house you need then call the guy you buy from and order that much. Oh yeah, and tell the first guy that your name is Dickey or something.PetePS Actually if you just figure 1000' x 8" x 3/8" you get 20.83 sq ft. And that's the truth....but that does not account for the mortar on vertical joints which is another 50% so that gives you 31.24 sq ft or 1.15 cyds. then add for waste which in my case would be another 150% but for most maybe 20% I am guessing which now gives you 1.38 cyds of mortar and considering that the mortar / sand mix is 3 to 1 that means you need 1.035 cyds of sand and .345 cyds of mortar. So all in all a yard of sand should do you dandy. and I believe a 60 or 80 pound bag o' mortar is about 1/3 yd which will square you up nicely.
*>"Oh yeah, and tell the first guy that your name is Dickey or something."Tell him that your name is Pete Draganic.: )
*Well I was gonna suggest Luka but I figgered I was gonna play nice and looky at what you done went ahead and did.Pete
*Bwuuuhahahahahahaaaaaa: )
*I'm way out of my league here, as I avoid anything requiring mortar (or hard work, for that matter), but my little pocket reference gives approximately 16 lbs of portland cement per cu ft of mortar (that's using a 2:1 portland cement to lime and with 100 lbs of sand). I think your 80 lb bag o'mortar might run a bit short of a third of a yard of mud. My cement mixer is 8 cu ft, which puts it somewhat less than than the 9 cu ft that is 1/3 of a yard, and I think it holds around 1,000 lbs of cement when loaded - or somewhat more than I lift even when I have my Wheaties.Sorry to be so nit picky...
*I said screw it and ordered 6 yrds. I actually have 255 linial feet according to my 3D home program. I will be putting 5 courses of 12" block followed by 3 and maybe four 8" block. If six yards isn't enough, I'll finish with the beach sand.The "sugar" sand sucks! I was going to give us a decent grade to work in. So I fire up the hoe, and start creeping toward the first pile. I don't even get close and I'm bogging. I try to reverse and just bounce. I try to push myself out with the bucket to no avail.So after gently rocking a bit, and finding the best speed, I manage to free myself. Since I'm such a genius, I decide to tamp the sand down by rolling back and forth on it. After fifteen attempts to compact it with the weight of the backhoe, and back blading I think I am finally ready. Since I'm really wise and cautious, I only take a half scoop. The extra weight causes my rear tires to lift slightly and spin, getting me stuck again. I spend another ten minutes freeing myself.I finally give up after an hour, decide to head home defeated, and then proceed to get my truck stuck with the trailer behind it.I found some help. He drove the hoe, and I drove the ram.I managed to get back onto the temp road.I don't need no more sand! I need rocks! Big rocks!Or clay. I love clay now!Anyone interested in some sand?I will check on the pits for stone prices. I need megatons!blue
*This is a little too late for Blue, but here's some "data" from a building book I have. Should be a good reference for others in the future.b Mortar & sand:7 Bags mortar per 1000 Brick (oversized or regular)3 bags mortar per 100 8" block 3 cubic ft. of sand per bag of mortar or 3 to 1 (sand : mortar) ratio 1 bag of mortar weighs 74 pounds (not referring to that premix stuff) Sand weighs ~ 100 lbs. per cub ft 1 cub yard weighs ~ 1.33 Tons By the way - a 61# mud bucket holds about 2/3 of a cu ft. a 5 gal paint bucket holds slightly moreb Masonry Units:There are 1.25 block (4" or 8" or 12" x 8" x 16") per square foot of wall 7 bricks per sq. ft of wall for modular 5 bricks per sq. ft of wall for oversized 5 brick pavers per sq. ft. 1 bag of (Portland) cement weighs 94 pounds b Other useful info that I have collected on my own:Bluestone Gravel weight: 1 ½" 1 cu yd = 1.25 tons 1" 1 cu yd = 1.3 tons ABC 1 yd = 1.8 tons (ABC is a regional term, I believe. It's also called crush & run) Screenings 1 yd = 1.65 tons Above are the rules of thumb, I'll let you do the math. When ordering masonry sand, the way I do it is just to go for a tandem load (~15 tons around here), or a single axil (~ 5 - 6 tons). For smaller jobs than that, It's go pick up a ton or whatever on the flatbed trailer.
*It's never to late for ueful information Matt g!When I posted, that was the type of accurate info I wanted. I'm still searching for my two books that give me those numbers.Anyways, I'll be able to use those numbers to figure out how badly I screwed up by guessing.Thanksblue