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   Guest_ | Mar 14, 2000 10:13pm | #1

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   ......take your measurements and go to a plumbing supply house.. get a styro tank liner... caulk it in...bye bye sweat...

   when you get a new toilet make sure it comes with a tank liner, the factory installed ones work even better...

   if you've got well water, this is a constant problem, and the tank liners are foolproof, the mixing valves usually clog up , or the standby heat loss is such that they are worthless...

   IMHO

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   Guest_ | Mar 14, 2000 11:25pm | #2

   *You have an older toilet, but if it were one of the newer low-flow, 1.6 gallon models, a styrofoam liner could very well disrupt the toilet's efficiency by reducing the effective water volume for flushing. The liner will also be a haven for growth in the toilet, so tank cleaning should be done more frequently.

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   Tim_H | Mar 14, 2000 11:33pm | #3

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   Mike:
   what do you mean "stand by heat losses" if you are refering to the warm water in the pipe that cools to room temp. it seems to me that wouldn't matter, codensation (sp) won't occur at a pipe or toilet that is room temp..
   i see lots of mixer valves here in Alaska , our water is almost always under 45'. sediment gets into them and screws things up. sometimes only hot water to the crapper (people say when its steamy, its damm nice to sit on) that can melt the wax ring and really cause problems.
   another possibly culprit it bad aim.
   Tim H

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   Guest_ | Mar 14, 2000 11:48pm | #4

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   ....tim, barry, anybody,,,

   standby heat loss... the prupose of the mixing valve is to add enough HOT water to the tank to bring the water temp above the dew point..
   but unless you have the line on a recirc. it will sit there in the line and cool to the point where it does nothing... so the homewoener adjusts the temp, and you either gett steamy bowl (and bad rings or they still get the cooling, and the tank keeps right on sweating..

   have never seen the tank liners contribute to the unsanitary condition.... especially the FACTORY installed ones... besides , the sweat that they prevent is more dangeraous to an unsanitary condition than the neutral condition of the tank itself....throw a tidy bowl in if it bothers you...

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 12:07am | #5

   *We call them tempering valves and I don't think they're adjustable like regular mixing valves. With an old toilet, I suspect there will be enough water volume that some hot water will make it to the tank before the tank's full.

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 12:38am | #6

   *Durn !!! You fellers and yer fancy dandy plastic foam ideas purt near scared me away from posting here. And I was gunna tell him to make it lose some weight, quit running it so much, or give it a towel.IOW: Move the water level down. Less water gets acclimated faster than more. If you don't have wonna dem valve thingys youse are all biting nails about, then flush the dang thing less. Or, put wonna dem aftermarket spangley fangled furry pink terlit tank wrappers on it.As fer them terlit tablit things... that's something that I start biting nails about. Ever take the assembly out of the tank and get black all over you that just won't go away ??? That's because someone used them blue terlit lozenges in the dang thing. The bleach and other chems in the tablets work on the rubber compounds and cause that. Causes them to deteriorate and become defective faster too, so's you can get zebratitis more often from changing them.

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 04:11am | #7

   *Mike,I like your wit, but you're a bit too touchy when someone disagrees with you.Even with a tempering system, which I personally believe is a bit of yaa yaa hooey as far as cost versus return, common sense says that the water from the hot side, even if no longer hot, will at least be room temperature -- warmer than that coming out of the ground. First you say to go to the store for the foam kit, then you retreat to "factory installed." And how many foam lined tanks have you personally inspected in order to make your "have never seen" observation credible? And, additionally, there's a school of thought (among professional plumbers, no less) that the blue stuff people put in their toilet bowls actually contributes to reduced performance. Something to do with the specific gravity of the water. This is covered at http://www.toiletology.com. And, finally, what's your scientific, "I've seen", basis for concluding that the sweat on a toilet tank is more unsanitary than what grows within the tank. It's only "dew" -- get my "point?"

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 04:19am | #8

   *Mike,If you think the stuff growing in the average toilet tank is "neutral," you're welcome to come drink a cup of it at my house anytime. Or at your own, for that matter. Let us know the results.I like Luka's sentiment -- live with it until you turn on the A/C. There's more out there to worry about.

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 04:36am | #9

   *Steve,A very cheap and effective way to fix the problem, (Leaving out all the hoo haw. LOL), is to get one of those small clip-on fans and clip it to the side of the tub or the sink cabinet, and aim it at the tank. Leave it on all the time, on low. Not only will it only cost you pennies per month, it'll help to quickly dissipate some peoples' potential embarrassment.

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 04:41am | #10

   *Luka,A noisy fan will also reduce the need to run water or whistle.

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 04:43am | #11

   *HAHAHAHA'Bout gave my cat a heart attack when I busted out laffing at that one. Sonds like a fellow 'shy bladder' out there. :-)

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 05:07am | #12

   *...slow nite , huh?u take care of yours, i'll take care of mine, mine won't sweat, and won't get unsanitary, and i don't use toiddy bowl cleaners neither... thot may be.... u did...even better...don't flush...hah, hah..toiletology .com

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 12:29pm | #13

   *This is obviously another venting/vapor barrier insulation problem. Should be real easy and uncontroversial to fix.

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   Tim_H | Mar 15, 2000 03:32pm | #14

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   i still think it's am aim problem

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 03:57pm | #15

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   And then the toilet wars began....

   Writing my "Modern Wars Will Be Fought Online" book...

   near the stream aiming ever more diligently,

   aj

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 05:50pm | #16

   *Build a 2x stud wall around the tank - attach drywall leaving a small hole in the top. Blow DP cellulose into the stud cavity to 3.5 psi. Carefully seal up the wall with foam. Do not vent! .

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 06:01pm | #17

   *.........right shoulder, plungers!... forward !.....march!lef... ri... lef.... ri..so, Jack, you aligning with NATO or NETO.. ya gonna sit on the fence and remain non-aligned...don't eat the yellow cakes....

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 06:08pm | #18

   *ajThat ought to be a real "pisser" of a book. Do you take advance orders?

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 07:26pm | #19

   *hehhehhee hee!

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   Guest_ | Mar 15, 2000 07:54pm | #20

   *Best suggestion yet. Only one problem. You forgot to install the remote flushing device first. And why no one talk about the target in the back of the bowl ?Luka: Aiming too please... trying not to hit the wall.

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   Steve_MacDonald | Mar 15, 2000 07:56pm | #21

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   I have an old toilet and I am looking for a cheap effective way to fix the problem . The toilet keeps sweating and dripping on the floor . Does anyone have any ideas ?