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How would you detwist this brick column

ToolFreakBlue | Posted in General Discussion on July 17, 2009 11:27am

Have a little service project coming up.   Brick column under a porte coche (sp?) has apparantly been hit. 

It is still plumb and intact, just twisted out of square with the world, nearby world anyway.

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The brick is veneer.

Our thought is the jack the structure above sightly to take any pressure off of the bricks.

Then lash a post to the column near the base to act as a lever and pull/twist it back into alignment.

Crazy? Doable? other ideas?

Got a couple of weeks to figure it out.

 

TFB (Bill)
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    Sphere | Jul 17, 2009 11:38pm | #1

    Exactly what I'd do. Like a big pipe wrench.

    Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

    Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations

    "If Brains was lard, you couldn't grease much of a pan"
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      ToolFreakBlue | Jul 17, 2009 11:53pm | #2

      Exactly, wrench it over.TFB (Bill)

      1. saulgood | Jul 18, 2009 12:55am | #3

        With the same car that hit it before.

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      ToolFreakBlue | Aug 02, 2009 10:29pm | #22

      Worked like a charm!   Got the column shifted back in place this morning.

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      landscape timbers strapped together.

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      Other side.

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      Jacking point

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      Back in place after a little pulling on one end and pushing on the other.

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      Brick repointed abit, thank goodness is is 9 feet up in the air.TFB (Bill)

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        Sphere | Aug 02, 2009 10:46pm | #24

        Cool, I knew it would work that way.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

        Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations

        "If Brains was lard, you couldn't grease much of a pan"Jed Clampitt

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  2. JTC1 | Jul 18, 2009 12:56am | #4

    Sounds right to me!

    Just remember - if you can't tie a good knot, just tie a lot of them.

    Jim

    Never underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.
    1. Shoemaker1 | Jul 18, 2009 01:19am | #5

      How about if you want to un-twist it. play Chubby Checker Backwards. Just a thoughtTGIF

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        ToolFreakBlue | Jul 18, 2009 01:24am | #7

        while driving the car that hit it as Saulgood suggested. I like it.TFB (Bill)

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      ToolFreakBlue | Jul 18, 2009 01:23am | #6

      I'll look for one here:
      http://www.animatedknots.com/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.comTFB (Bill)

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      Sphere | Jul 18, 2009 03:05am | #13

      I call them hatchett knots, takes a hatchett to undo it.

      I let the DW string up a clothes line once. I know what I speak of.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

      Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations

      "If Brains was lard, you couldn't grease much of a pan"Jed Clampitt

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    IMERC | Jul 18, 2009 02:01am | #8

    take the load off of it...

    make a huge tuning fork type gizmo...

    un twist it...

    repoint...

    reload...

     

    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

    WOW!!! What a Ride!


    Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

     

    "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

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      ToolFreakBlue | Jul 18, 2009 02:07am | #9

      Great.Side note, CapnMac will get a kick out of your steps when/if he sees this. Too hard to explain.
      TFB (Bill)

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        IMERC | Jul 18, 2009 02:20am | #10

        okay....

        so hit it wit a truck and start all over...

         

        so what's up with Capnmac??? 

        Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

        WOW!!! What a Ride!

        Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

         

        "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

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          ToolFreakBlue | Jul 18, 2009 02:42am | #11

          Only he can give it the penmanship it needs. Nothing bad mind you.TFB (Bill)

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            IMERC | Jul 18, 2009 02:51am | #12

            oh-tay...

            so what do you think about using a truck on it....

            preferably some PITA neighbors' truck... 

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!

            Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

             

            "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

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            ToolFreakBlue | Jul 18, 2009 07:09am | #17

            Might need to be a bit more delicate than the truck. We will keep it in mind if we get hung up.TFB (Bill)

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            Matt | Jul 18, 2009 06:48pm | #18

            Unload and lash a 4x4 lever to it with one of those ratchet straps.

          4. ruffmike | Jul 18, 2009 06:56pm | #19

            I think I would create a plywood box that would encase at least 3 or 4 rows of brick (or the whole thing) and then use a strap to twist it back.I would be afraid that a simple strap would put the wrong tension on the brick and mortar.                            Mike

                Small wheel turn by the fire and rod, big wheel turn by the grace of god.

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        CapnMac | Jul 18, 2009 08:33pm | #20

        CapnMac will get a kick out of your steps when/if he sees this.

        Well, I'm in concurrance with the method, that's sure enough.

        Only part I'd change would be to knock together some plywood and 2x to make whalers of a sort most of the length of the twisted part, and ratchet-strap them into a goodly amount of compression.

        That's so that, when the twisting lever is applied, you do not discover any other weak-in-shear mortar joints further up the column.  You shear a couple more mortar joints, and then you are looking at taking it all down and doing it over again, to be sure it's "right."

        Been thinking about this a bit, mostly on how to retro fit a half-decent, not-over-ugly, sacrificial bollard to prevent a reoccurance.  Easiest answer likely to drive 1.625" fence post 50/50, and fill above-ground portion with NS grout, then slide on a pvc cover which could be tastefully painted to be unobtrusive.  Or use wood boxed around to make a "hitching post" or the like, to suit the house's decor/style.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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          ToolFreakBlue | Jul 18, 2009 09:22pm | #21

          Regarding IMERC's post.... The "Reload" made me chuckle in the since of REEELOOOAAAADDDDDD! [It's an Aggie thing]TFB (Bill)

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    Jeff_Clarke | Jul 18, 2009 04:29am | #14

    Clamp 2 x 3s at all corners with corner/band clamps

    Lag long 2 x 4 levers to 2 x 3s - turn (lift structure as req'd.

  5. brucet9 | Jul 18, 2009 05:55am | #15

    What twisted that column?

    Was it the wooden post inside twisting? Looks like the bottom is 1 1/2 bricks wide on two sides and 2 bricks on the other two. If so, the hollow space inside is about 4" x 8" and a twisted rough 4x4 post in the middle could prevent your rotating the brick column back to its original position.

    BruceT
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      ToolFreakBlue | Jul 18, 2009 07:05am | #16

      We think it got tagged slightly by a car. We're hoping that whatever member is inside will either rotate with the brick or is independent of the brick. TFB (Bill)

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      ToolFreakBlue | Aug 02, 2009 10:34pm | #23

      Bruce, you ask "What twisted that column? "

      Not sure, but I think this van might be involved.  :)

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      Just maybe.  What do you think?

       TFB (Bill)

      1. brucet9 | Aug 03, 2009 12:48am | #25

        That would seem to explain it all right.So, did you just back that van up and twist the column back? Body work cost would be the same anyway. :)BruceT

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