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I can’t believe I eighth that…

ditchburns | Posted in General Discussion on September 25, 2009 04:13am

On the drive back to the lumberyard yesterday I mused over how many millions…(billions?) of dollars are lost to the elusive saw kerf each year….

I’m just sayin’

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  1. jet | Sep 25, 2009 04:15pm | #1

    Just glue the bits back together and you'll sleep better at night.

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    lukes | Sep 25, 2009 04:25pm | #2

    add glue and you've got mdf

  3. AitchKay | Sep 25, 2009 04:57pm | #3

    We're not carpenters, we're Entropists.

    AitchKay

  4. joeh | Sep 25, 2009 05:43pm | #4

    Not to worry, Walmart is making Fine Furniture from yer kerf.

    Joe H

    1. ditchburns | Sep 25, 2009 06:19pm | #7

      Wal-Mart doesn't MAKE anything.

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        IMERC | Sep 26, 2009 03:20am | #15

        just money... 

        Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

        WOW!!! What a Ride!

        Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

         

        "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

  5. GregGibson | Sep 25, 2009 06:10pm | #5

    I heard a guy one time talking about how many 1/4 inch drill bits are sold every year, when none of those people needed a 1/4 inch drill bit, what they NEED is a 1/4 inch HOLE  !  !  !

    Greg

    1. DonCanDo | Sep 25, 2009 06:15pm | #6

      Here you go.  Just make as many photocopies as you need.

      •

      1. JTC1 | Sep 25, 2009 07:30pm | #8

        That's not a hole...

        it's a very small electronic version of a roundtuit.

        Can't fool me! ;^)

        JimNever underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.

        1. DonCanDo | Sep 25, 2009 07:57pm | #9

          Can't be, I've never gotten a roundtuit.

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            IMERC | Sep 26, 2009 03:22am | #16

            here ya go...

            View Image 

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!

            Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

             

            "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

          2. DonCanDo | Sep 26, 2009 04:41am | #18

            Dang, man.  You just took away my best procrastination excuse.

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            IMERC | Sep 26, 2009 05:41am | #19

            just trying to be hepful.... 

            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

            WOW!!! What a Ride!

            Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

             

            "Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"

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          SteveInCleveland | Sep 25, 2009 08:09pm | #10

          you said "a hole".  signed Beavis 

           

           

          "Preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words."  - St. Francis of Assisi

          No, I didn't vote for him; but he IS my president.  I pray for the his safety, and the safety of his family every day.  And I pray that he makes wise decisions.

          1. JTC1 | Sep 25, 2009 09:02pm | #11

            'Sprized the censors dinna' catch that.

            JimNever underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.

    2. Piffin | Sep 27, 2009 04:43am | #20

      Have you ever tried to track inventory on quarter inch holes?Elusive little buggers! 

       

      Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

      1. MisterT | Sep 27, 2009 03:43pm | #21

        trouble is is you have to keep them in separate containers or the fuse together to make bigger holes.That's how blackholes get started..
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        "After the laws of Physics, everything else is opinion" -Neil deGrasse Tyson
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        If Pasta and Antipasta meet is it the end of the Universe???
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        according to statistical analysis, "for some time now, bears apparently have been going to the bathroom in the woods."

        1. Piffin | Sep 27, 2009 07:37pm | #22

          Container!Maybe if I wrap those post holes up that are stacked out behind the shed, I will be able to find them when I need them, instead of barking my shins on them all the time when I don't need them. 

           

          Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

          1. MisterT | Sep 28, 2009 02:48pm | #26

            Post holes are the worst.I brought one inside and set it down for a second.next thing I know I'm string at the kitchen ceiling from the basement floor..
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            "After the laws of Physics, everything else is opinion" -Neil deGrasse Tyson
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            If Pasta and Antipasta meet is it the end of the Universe???
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            according to statistical analysis, "for some time now, bears apparently have been going to the bathroom in the woods."

  6. YesMaam27577 | Sep 25, 2009 10:16pm | #12

    I spent a couple of years working at a sawmill. Not one of the biggest, but they produced maybe 200,000 board feet in a day.

    On of the "saws" was something called a gangsaw. It had two arbors. The top arbor had as many as 24 circular saw blades, and the bottom arbor would be set up to match it. Blades on the top arbor cut through a squared-off log from the top, those from the bottom did their damage from the bottom.

    The result was 1-by stock coming out the other end. Depending on how tall the squared off log was, it was 1X6, or 1X8 (or 1x'the height of the log).

    A couple of years before I got there, they had converted the gangsaw from standard kerf, to thin kerf blades. And even after the investment in blades and blade guides and such, the first-year savings were more than a hundred grand $$.

    So your musings have worth.

    I won't be laughing at the lies when I'm gone,
    And I can't question how or when or why when I'm gone;
    I can't live proud enough to die when I'm gone,
    So I guess I'll have to do it while I'm here. (Phil Ochs)

  7. rez | Sep 25, 2009 10:58pm | #13

    Hey, gotta anymore flooring pics to share?

     

    1. ditchburns | Sep 26, 2009 01:25am | #14

      Sorry dude...I haven't put any floors down since my accident...seldom even take my tools out anymore...

  8. RedfordHenry | Sep 26, 2009 03:47am | #17

    I once wondered how much motor oil goes into the trash bin (that last couple of drops that sticks to the inside of the bottle).  Same with ketchup and mayo.  Stop thinking so much, some things just are! 

    1. xxxxx | Sep 28, 2009 03:04am | #23

      Many Years ago when I was a wee lad, I remember oil coming in flat top cans that you used a special punch spout to open the can and then pour the oil into the 'oil filler' place in the valve cover of the in-line six.  Flat head engines had a different 'crankcase breather tube' with a removeable cap you used for the same purpose.

      Anyway, many filling stations had a special rack in the back of the mechanics bay that, after you removed the spout from the can, the can could be placed in a nearly inverted position so the last drops of oil could drip out onto a collector tray which led to another can which eventually filled so the station operator could sell that 'free' can of oil to the next customer.

      Of course oil in sealed cans was an improvement over the time when oil was delivered to gas stations in bulk drums of fifty gallons.  (45 in Canada)  When the gas jocky wasn't busy filling cars with gas, one of his duties was to keep filled,from the drum, the quart glass jars with special screw-on filler spout caps which were used to dispense oil into the customers cars.  These glass jars were kept in a wire rack until needed or for carrying back to the drum for refilling.

       

      Paul

      1. rez | Sep 28, 2009 04:15am | #24

        And a skinny spout for the transmission oil.

        Had one accidently fall off the can once when pouring and it went down the hole.

        Never said a word.

          

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        Dinosaur | Sep 28, 2009 05:27am | #25

        A few years ago I saw a television documentary about a 12-year-old boy in some junior high school who had asked himself the same question (about residual oil in plastic bottles being wasted). He did a few experiments, came up with an average waste figure per bottle, then extrapolated that based on the number of bottles his local service station sold in a year, and extrapolated that to comprise the number of Exxon stations in the Continental U.S.

        Then he wrote to the president of Exxon with his findings.

        Exxon's PR department fielded the letter routinely, and saw a good PR opportunity in it, so the Prez himself went to the boy's school to meet him (followed by a full camera crew; hence the TV documentary).

        IIRC, he promised that Exxon would search for solutions to reduce residual oil in retail containers.

        Never saw a follow up on it, tho. Being that I haven't watched television since the mid '70s, tho, maybe I just missed it....

        Dinosaur

        How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....

        1. MisterT | Sep 28, 2009 02:50pm | #27

          That kid is buried in an unmarked grave in the Yukon....
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          "After the laws of Physics, everything else is opinion" -Neil deGrasse Tyson
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          If Pasta and Antipasta meet is it the end of the Universe???
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          according to statistical analysis, "for some time now, bears apparently have been going to the bathroom in the woods."

          1. Piffin | Sep 28, 2009 03:01pm | #28

            You sure he isn't laying on your basement floor staring at the kitchen ceiling? 

             

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            Dinosaur | Sep 28, 2009 05:25pm | #29

            That 'kid' is probably older 'n' you by now. I ain't watched telebishun since just after Colonel Potter arrived at the 3077th.

            Dinosaur

            How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....

          3. MisterT | Sep 28, 2009 07:40pm | #30

            In a few years I will be older than him though.canukdians only a .67 of a year for every american year.It's one advantage to the metric system..
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            "After the laws of Physics, everything else is opinion" -Neil deGrasse Tyson
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            If Pasta and Antipasta meet is it the end of the Universe???
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            .
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            according to statistical analysis, "for some time now, bears apparently have been going to the bathroom in the woods."

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            Dinosaur | Sep 28, 2009 11:27pm | #31

            .67, my left tootsie. Right now it costs .91 or .92 US to buy a Loonie...and me sitting here with a big stack of USD I wanna turn into usable cash.

            Dang. When I ain't got any U$ the price of C$ goes down. When I do, it goes up....

            Betcha them boyz at The Economist are doing their quarterly predictions by checking my bank balance....

            Dinosaur

            How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....

          5. Bob_B | Sep 29, 2009 05:22am | #32

            "If Pasta and Antipasta meet is it the end of the Universe???"

             

            no but if you weed wack your wacky weed it will

        2. gotcha | Sep 30, 2009 04:05pm | #38

          Dinosaur,There would be even less waste oil if the "quicky change" oil places wouldn't push 3,000 mile oil changes.What a waste of oil.Pete

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            Dinosaur | Sep 30, 2009 06:28pm | #40

            I will let a mechanic with more recent experience than mine confirm this opinion, but it seems to me that modern engines are running a lot closer to their design tolerances than did the old cast-iron behemoths I learned to fix in my youth.

            The closer to the edge you push a piece of machinery, the better your PM has gotta be. You blow an engine today, you're looking at a lotta dough, too, as opposed to a few gaskets and a set of crankshaft bearing liners.

            Dinosaur

            How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....

      3. DaveRicheson | Sep 29, 2009 01:24pm | #33

        Most may not know it, but commercial estabilshments that do oil changes are required to have a waste stream for all oil and filters.

        We sold our waste oil to certified recycler. The filters  and any empty oil container were set on a drain screen that fed into the used oil tank. They had to drain for 24 hrs. before being removed. The filters were then placed in a crusher that smashed them falt to rem9ove even more oil. They were then layered into 55 gal drums with oil dry over each layer and the whole sheebang documented and treated as hazardous waste. We later went to a filter shredder, which allowed us to recover even more oil and seperate the metal from the filter media, futher reducing our waste stream and enviromental impact.

        Then we subed out our transportation departments work and got rid of everything.

        1. MisterT | Sep 29, 2009 02:19pm | #34

          which was driven to a back road and dumped in the woods....
          .
          "After the laws of Physics, everything else is opinion" -Neil deGrasse Tyson
          .
          .
          .
          If Pasta and Antipasta meet is it the end of the Universe???
          .
          .
          .
          according to statistical analysis, "for some time now, bears apparently have been going to the bathroom in the woods."

          1. DaveRicheson | Sep 29, 2009 04:20pm | #35

            Not hardly around here anymore.

            We have a couple of "Super Fund" site around here.

            We ahd to get rid of our old waste oil recovery company because he couldn't produce the documentation needed to be certified by the EPA. He went belly up within a year after all that poo hit the fan.

            It is kind of wierd to me about the diposal process. All waste oil is recycled to other stuff, but used filters end up going into drums and are sent to a landfill. Each load is followed by a tracking document that gives the company of origin and where in the landfill it was dumped. Now how in the heck does that keep it from eventually getting into the ground water and eventually streams and rivers?

            Maybe someone can explain that one, but for me it is one of those "duh!" moments.

          2. PedroTheMule | Sep 29, 2009 04:52pm | #36

            Hi Dave,

            Each load is followed by a tracking document that gives the company of origin and where in the landfill it was dumped. Now how in the heck does that keep it from eventually getting into the ground water and eventually streams and rivers?

            Doode that's an easy one....when 100k people nearby die of cancer caused by the stuff in their drinking water, they'll come to those who signed off on it and when they don't have any $ left after the lawsuit they'll go to the company ya werked fer and when they are sued out of bizness they'll simply get it from every tax payer by pleading their case in the same fashion as GM.....man ain't you seen this coming yet? All they need is some legit looking documentation where they can begin the blame game. <grin>

             

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          3. DaveRicheson | Sep 30, 2009 01:21pm | #37

            I know the purpose of the tracking documents. The Super Fund  sites were all the results of not having a tracking/documentation system in place.

            We always made sure there was never any free liquid in our waste filter drums before we shipped them, because we are a "deep pocket". But I have seen loads mixed with ours that come from small quantity generators like mom and pop service stations. Every thing goes to the same spot in the landfill and get dozed in  and squashed together.

            Mom and pop get off scott free cause they are small quantity generators and the deep pocket guys take the fall.

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          Dinosaur | Sep 30, 2009 06:20pm | #39

          We sold our waste oil to certified recycler....

          ...who then turned around and sold it to MacDo's for makin' fries....  :-(,

           

           

          Actually, the used, squashed, shredded, or otherwise drained filters would make an excellent fuel source for a heating/generating plant. Such a stupid waste of resources to bulldoze 'em into a landfill.

          It's amazing what you can burn efficiently if you can figure out how to control the emissions. In the early 80s, Connecticut figured out that if you add a small amount of coal to a pile of burning garbage and blow in the right amount of air, you can generate enough electricity to light up several small cities. I used to haul the coal barges up the coast from Norfolk to LI Sound and up the river. Dunno if they're still doing that, tho.

          Dinosaur

          How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....

          1. DaveRicheson | Oct 02, 2009 04:15pm | #42

            We have a couple of landfill generating sites in KY and TN. They use the captured methane gas to power the generators.

            Believe I read that in one of the RECC bi-monthly magazines.

            I've not seen one at any of our local landfills but it sounds like a good idea.

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            Dinosaur | Oct 02, 2009 07:11pm | #43

            I like hearing about stuff like that. Seems as if we may finally be starting to 'get' it after all these years.

            The resources we in the 'First World' waste from pure laziness are beyond belief.

            Dinosaur

            How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....

      4. chunkmonk | Sep 30, 2009 07:16pm | #41

        dude, i remember those flat top cans. they would throw them in the dumpster and we would dig them out and dribble it on our bicycle chains.the old stingrays.your pants cuff would wipe off all the excess as you pedaled around,   mom never did understand that logic .god bless her..................now what did i come up stairs for?/.      r 

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