I was finishing off a kitchen install today. I sent my helper home at the end of the regular day but there was still some crown moulding to finish off and then the door and drawer pulls. I made up a jig for the pulls, checked that it worked, then went into action drilling all the holes. You can probably guess what’s coming: I drilled a door with the pull on the hinge side of the door – the stained cherry, raised-panel door. It was the end of a long day and I was hurrying. I should have known better.
I decided to pack up before I made any more mistakes, and I knew I’d have to come back anyway. I let the HO know and needless to say she was upset. Tonight I dropped off a sample of the material to a painter friend who will custom tint some wood filler for me so I can try to fill the holes. Realistically, I think I’ll be up for the cost of a replacement door, but we’ll see.
My question is about compensation. What do you think I should do to make amends to the HO? Naturally, the time and any real costs to make it to their satisfaction is the minimum, but does it warrant a further price discount if I replace the door with a new one? I should mention that the kitchen just got measured for granite countertops today, and they’re not scheduled for installation for another 4-5 weeks, so my error can hardly be held responsible for a lack of functionality. I haven’t discussed compensation with her yet, I needed time to think first.
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Bouquet of flowers and a card begging forgiveness.
SamT
Praise the Corporation, for the Corporations' highest concern is the well being of the public.
Boy, can I relate!
Pay for the new door, I guess.
Quality repairs for your home.
AaronR Construction
Vancouver, Canada
The most you do is buy a new door. Holes on the wrong side hardly stops the job or ruins the day. Even professionals make mistakes, it happens. Why would you give money back in addition to buying a new door... liquidated damages? I hardly see the point.
express yur happiness and joy about how you will make things right and do it...
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Well, i can tell you what NOT to do: try to patch it with wood filler. It'll waste your time and look like hell and the HO will see it everytime she walks in the kitchen.
Mistakes happen, so cut yourself some slack, then buy a new door and make it right. I like the flowers idea as a gesture of goodwill. Faced with a bouquet of star-gazer lilies, i'd forgive just about anything. No further compensation than that is called for.
I "ALWAYS" check the swing before drilling ;)!
You owe her a door and nothing more. Don't you, and don't let her make any more out of this than it is. And don't bother trying to hide it she will think you will leave it that way.
Get on it right now and get it ordered.
4-5 week lead on the Granite? Were down to 2 weeks or less right now.
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I dont care how good a job your painter friend can do it still wont be good enough.
Buy the new door, thats what should have gone through your mind from the begining. You cant hide the mistake.
I dont think you need to do anything else. The best I know have made similar, or even worse mistakes, Professionals know how to fix theirs.
You dont need to comp her for anything. She's paying you for a professional job and thats what you owe her. I dont like the flower idea but thats probably more me then anything.
Sorta like closeing the barn door after the cow got out but I always open the cabinet door before drilling. I've done what you did, dont need to experience it again!
Doug
" I dont like the flower idea but thats probably more me then anything."
I dont either but then again its probably us . <G>
One time a lady at Walmart gave me a new watch instead of fixing the one that broke that should have been fixed and it had been scratched by me . I thought about buying her a rose but the thought passed .
Tim
Edited 6/21/2007 8:17 pm by Mooney
I thought about buying her a rose but the thought passed .
Atta boy, came to your senses just in time!
Doug
If you make it right, what is there to make ammends for?
I don't buy the idea that you owe the HO something for a mistake, as long as the mistake is taken care of.
It's not about owing anything.It's about turning the other fellas', or, in this case, gals', cheek around. Instead of remembering forever that a mistake was made, she will remember how nice Sly was.Instead of talking to all her girlfriends about how the <em>stupid</em> carpenter made a <em>obvious</EM> bonehead mistake that "anybody could see was wrong," she'll be bragging on her flowers.I didn't know about what he was going to say in post #11, but that makes it even more important to give this woman something else to talk about.Of course, if your company can't afford twenty tax deductable dollars for PR work. . . .SamT
Praise the Corporation, for the Corporations' highest concern is the well being of the public.
You got it. I can't help but chuckle at the cheapness of these guys who think giving a bunch of flowers means someone got something over on them. It's a sound investment in good will. I special-ordered four sheets of really expensive walnut plywood, which got sent somewhere else by mistake. The supplier had to re-order for me, which set me back another two weeks on my timeline. The company set me up with a gift cert for dinner for two at a nice restaurant for my trouble. They didn't have to, but they got their dinner money back and a whole lot more.
An "I'm sorry," is so cheap to give, and the return is always so valuable.SamT
Praise the Corporation, for the Corporations' highest concern is the well being of the public.
I drilled a big upright cabinet door wrong for about the 2nd worst customer I have ever worked with. She was a lawyer on top of it. Replaced the door and nothing else. She didn't ask for anything else either. I don't see what you would owe other than a new door.
Bowz
Thanks guys, new door will be ordered today. I'll still do the fill so she's not looking at holes while the new door is being made. Naturally this happened with a difficult customer to boot. There were things about the kitchen construction she didn't like from the first. And they were unable to supply long enough pieces of cherry crown to do one of the runs in one piece. She didn't like the splice I made - not the joinery but the fact that it was there at all. Adding up all the little niggly things that were going on, it was almost inevitable that my first ever door drilling disaster would happen at this job! The guy who is running the reno is a good friend of mine, and he's been getting raked over the coals for all of this. Maybe he gets the compensation!Lignum est bonum.
Too bad on the wrong hole drilled. Has happened three times to me in twenty years, and it's always happened late in the day while rushing.
Cherry would be a hard fix, as it changes colour a great deal over time.Regarding the crown not being long enough, I have come up with a solution that I have to use on some kitchens to avoid scarf / splice joints.Usually on a long run there is either a stove, sink or other feature in the run. Above the upper cabinet over any such feature, I either step the crown in or out 3/4". If I can, I set the cabinet in or out 3/4" also. This adds an architectural feature, and avoids ugly joints that never seem to look good.
There are two kinds of people in this world. The first includes those of us who have made this kind of mistake at least once. The second includes those who are going to someday.
You apologize and replace the door.................period.
The only "extra" cost you should assume would be if the door maker charges a premium to expedite the new door.
P.S. Don't waste your time trying to fill the mis-drilled holes. It almost certainly won't work well - and the HO will see it no matter how good it is.
This woman is irritated by visual stuff, right? So install the door temporarily, with the pull on the wrong side. Assuming the hinges are hidden, it'll look fine. She'll know what's wrong but it won't offend her visual sensibilities, while she's waiting for you to replace the door. She might even get a little chuckle out of it.
Edited 6/21/2007 9:24 am ET by Hudson Valley Carpenter
But where can he get a backset that long?;)
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I'd call it a minor setback. Of course I'm not eating a cherry door for lunch today.
;-)
Regarding repair of the door. I'm not suggesting that you should try to fix this one, but if you absolutely had to do a repair to serve while a new door is being delivered...... forget your painter friends. You need to visit the shop of a good furniture repairman. Colored fills can be done along with faux painting that would completely disquise the holes. Its not easy to do but it can be achieved. A new door may be cheaper.
Think of it like any other warranty. When your washing machine breaks, they fix it. That's their responsibility and promise. No more, no less.
I did something similar once, drilled the hinge bores on the wrong side of an arched top door....never feels good to do something like that. Contractor I was doing the work for wanted to try repairing...I convinced him that all things considered, it was best to just replace it.
If the homeowner has a problem with you making good on it by replacement, it's truly their problem...not yours. Not to say you should adopt a cavalier attitude, just know what's yours and what's not. One technique I've used sucessfully with unreasonable customers it to ask, "what would you have me do to make this right"...then listen. Unless they just like to bitch, the door is all that's been harmed, and that's what should be replaced. A pound of your flesh wouldn't really satisfy, and turning back time isn't really an option.
PJ
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
As everyone has said, all you owe the customer is a door. That perfectly round hole, even when filled, will stand out.
If I was going to try and fix the hole,I would try and make it look like a knot or or something.....part of the wood. Shave it out a little with small chisel or utility knife, making the hole more oblong. Fill it/ stain it with something darker. Hope this makes sense what Im trying to explain.
Good luck.
I'd just replace the door(s) and offer no discounts.
"I never met a man who didn't owe somebody something."
Hi Sly,
I've installed many kitchens for many different dealerships in the area. Probably done over 200 jobs in ten years. Drilling a door wrong is a bummer but it happens. I've seen cabinets ordered wrong, panels cut wrong, trim cut short with no other peices. A good installer is not perfect. a good installer is carefull, attentive to the details, concerned with the schedule, respectful of the jobsite and the people, willing to problem solve with other trades associated with a kitchen or bath remodel, and finally one who accepts a mistake, takes steps to make it right, moves on. Just buy the door, install it at N/C, drill the pull on the correct side, smile and say thanks for the opportunity to work in your home.
A Tip for not making that mistake again : I always put a block of wood on the back side of the door to prevent blow outs when drilling. this idiot proofs the process because when you open the door to place the block, hinging is obvious.
go easy on yourself for your sake and those around you will be more at ease with you.
later,
Jay
"it aint the work I mind,
It's the feeling of falling further behind."
Bozini Latini
I got a call from the field once, where we were remodeling a kitchen. My smartest guy had drilled a BUNCH of doors wrong... they were getting C pulls and he somehow got the centers too close. There was a major saving grace... they were Ikea doors, the Ikea store was 4 miles away, and they had the doors in stock. We had them on and corrected early the next day (the snag being that Ikea needs a credit card and at the time we did not do credit cards for company business).
I'm sure something like that will happen again. Sometimes I can take all day to drill a few holes in high-value doors, for fear of a mistake.
I just did a kitchen and I explained to my helper to center the knob on the flat portion of the stile (I meant in terms of width ie: if the stile was1 3/4" wide to mark 7/8") anyway I look over after he drilled the first one and he centered it in height. I guess communication is key huh?"it aint the work I mind,
It's the feeling of falling further behind."Bozini Latini
Like some one else said earlier, I used to make the drilling jigs like an envelope that slips over the corner of the door, provides backup for blow out, and the door has to be open some to get the jig over the corner. Also cleary make each face of the jig with a big L or R , just in case.
I bought these some time back . Cheap , easy and they keep me from havingthe OP's problem reoccurring. http://www.homedepot.com"Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
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Splintie, http://www.libertybrand.com/item/?ID=AN0191C-G-Q1&FIN=G Home Despot, $6.99 pr., sold only at retail outlets from the info available at the HD website."Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
Thanks. Too many holes for a simple country girl. <G> I do like Sphere and make a dedicated jig that slips over the corner and provides backing to eliminate splintering if i have to drill in mid-air. I'll admit to being anal enought to set up the drill press with stops on the table, in order to make the perfectly perpendicular hole, though. I got that from doing embroidery: the back side's supposed to look as good as the front. I doubt i'd last long on anyone's job site. <G>
splintie, I tape a piece of masking tape across the face , punch thru from the back side of the template just the holes I want to mark. I use these for marking and also use a back block for the actual drilling. I like the templates because they have just about every possible hole layout that is common in cabinet hardware on them .
Hold up the pull/handle and find the right set, punch out the masking paper and You are set to go."Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
See? This is why you get the big bucks and i'm unemployed. I guess i still don't understand why - given an option - anyone would leave the handle drilling until the doors/drawers are on-site; one wouldn't leave the machining of the hinge cups or gains to a jobsite. As long as you're looking at the prints to get the hinges on the right side, why not mark for the handles and get them drilled in a calm environment? I think i could set up my fence and a stop on either end of it for a drawer and have a couple holes bored while you're still finding your roll of masking tape. And that drawer jig...you still have to measure/mark the CL of each drawer, no? Hmmm...i might be employable after all....
I do that, drill in the shop, when I make the cabs. But 99% of the installs I have done, have been factory ships. The doors and drawers never even get out of the room they will live in, and I never, ever took a drill press to an install.Also, sometimes I've had to comeback to install the counter, before the pulls/etc have decided on.Excellent point you made tho' for shop made, I just install the handles pulls inside out for delivery, and return them to operating position, when done hanging.
and dovetail...OK, i wasn't thinking about off-the-shelf cabinets, but these were custom (it sounded like), which is all i've ever done. I would have thought handles would be chosen at the same time as the cabinets. Point(s)taken and i'll go back to lurking and learning how the big boys do it.
splintie,
The "big boys" end up dealing with whatever crap they send us . I would happier and better off staying with what you have going, getting to be a "big boy" has it's definite drawbacks and ain't all it is cracked up to be.!!!"Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
Yup. Thats why my buddy and I quit hanging cabs for design centers.
Some times we'd have two kitchens and 4 baths a day, 3 days a week. Other custom jobs were a week in them selves. Paid by the box, wrong cabs, Microwave/range hood ducts in the wrong place, ele. outlets to move..template the tops...etc.
All in and around Philly, and we lived an hour and a half or more away.
One misdrilled door, could REALLY, set ya back.
Splinte
I deal in custom cabinetry only and I'd never consider installing the door pulls on at the shop.
The first problem that I see is the shiping of those cabinets. Its bad enough trying to get the goods out to a job site without damage and now you're going to install the pulls to complicate the job further?
I'm pretty sure that I can install the pulls as fast on site as I could in the shop.
Just because cabinets are custom doesnt mean the customer has made up their mind any faster then if they went to HD or Lowes and picked out a set of cabs.
Doug
Plus some customers want them at different locations than "standard".
"I never met a man who didn't owe somebody something."
I don't install hardware on built-ins or furniture before delivery, just pre-drill. I use exotics, often making pulls and handles out of one of the woods, so i wouldn't want to have one of those dinged up (and i always make a spare or two.) Sphere's idea of attaching them, handle-sde-in appeals, but i understand all the reasons that isn't possible in some instances. I'd certainly be a wreck drilling a hole through bubinga while a customer was being chatty, though!
I'd certainly be a wreck drilling a hole through bubinga while a customer was being chatty, though!
It's just wood, as far as I know I aint saved any lives, or lost any for that matter, because of a misplaced hole in a door! If your afraid that your going to make a mistake your probably going to.
I've installed cabinets in 20million dollar homes and $200,000 homes and I wouldnt think of putting the pulls on any of them before going out to the house, that includes drilling the holes.
Why would you install the harware backwards just so you can get out to the job site and take it all off and reverse it? I guess my times more valuable then to waste it doing something twice.
I dont believe that anybody can install the pulls at the shop quicker then they can at the house, how would that even be possible? And what do you do if for instance the HO decides they want the door swinging the other way? I dont care what the print shows, people have been known to change their mind.
Doug
I haven't done it, but i could see that installing the hardware backwards protects it while giving an immediate visual that the right number of parts/bolts are available with no glitches, plus the plastic packaging is already removed and disposed of. Just differest ways, i guess, and a person should use what works best for him/herself.If a customer wants a door to swing another way on the day of installation, i'd say TS.
YUP.
If a customer wants a door to swing another way on the day of installation, i'd say TS.
Splinti
Arnt you the same person that on this very thread called all the men that wouldnt spring for some flowers for what amounts to a normal mistake, "cheap."
I'd question someone with that attitude having ever installed a set of cabinets, custom or otherwise more then the one time.
Your funny cause if you told me TS I'd tell you to take your cheap azzed flowers and get the hell out of MY house. :)
I knew a wise woman that when I would argue that it was OK to do certain things she'd respond with her patent answer, "you can justify anything you want"
Your doing a good job of that right here.
This subject is way to trivial to even argue, I've got an ex-wife for that sort of sh!d. I'll continue to do it my way, you should do the same, obviously we both will.
BTW, I installed a set of custom cabinets about one month ago, we hadnt put the pulls on yet because of some mix up in the order. After they arived and before we installed them the lady of the house decided that she'd like for two doors to swing the opposite direction because after using the kitchen for the short time she saw that those two doors better suited her if they would swing the other direction. I didnt have the heart to tell her TS, call me sentimental, or call me a dick head, either way she got what she wanted and I have one more happy customer, might even add she's a repeat customer!
Doug
I'm glad your style is working out for you, Doug. I'd say, having retired at 50, mine worked out for me, too. I see a qualitative difference between making up for a mistake, made by the installer, on the plans as ordered, and a customer-driven change on the last day. A cathedral door with cup hinges? Would you eat that for the sake of good vibrations? I did similar to that when i began my business and was hungry, but now i don't have to, so i don't. OTOH, since i sit with a customer and design the cabinets, i'd almost certainly notice a door swing issue myself before any wood got cut.Your having an opinion or practice different from mine neither raises the spectre of The Bad Ex nor encourages me to call you a 'dick head'. Again, our standards and practices vary. Have a nice day, ya hear?
"I'm glad your style is working out for you, Doug. I'd say, having retired at 50, mine worked out for me, too."LOLI suspect cabinet making doesn't get anyone enough money to retire at 50. You most likely retired at 50 because of that will you were in."I never met a man who didn't owe somebody something."
Edited 6/24/2007 7:14 pm ET by Buttkickski
LOL
Yea, I had to laugh at that myself.
I've yet to meet the man/woman that has made big money in the custom cabinet business.
Doug
splintie, Can't answer for anyone else, but often the client of mine will not decide which pulls etc to use until the very last moment, which means cabinets have been ordered, and quire often already on there way or have arrived. You are correct about the center line having to be measured or marked. I often get call for work for a few days just to install someones bought cabinets so I have no control over much of anything until I show up and install. Your method is great when one has control from the beginning, but I cannot imagine bringing an entire jobs worth of doors and drawers to my home shop then repacking everything for a trip back. Besides, working to get the big bucks is way over rated IMHO. Unemployed is perhaps the wrong terminology... I prefer on vacation and I do that as often as possible. ;-)"Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
any chance that one you haven't drill could be flipped and relocated.? sometimes you luck out with the same size doors elsewhere. larry
hand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.
Well I got a piece of luck today I guess. Called the kitchen sales guy to order the new door and he'd already been contacted because of the crown moulding problem. These are custom-milled trims and they simply can't get a piece long enough to do the work until the next run, which could be months away. So he's struggling to make amends too. Anyway, the deal is I splice in a different, longer piece of cherry that will (apparently) make a better colour/grain match with what's there, and he'll ship me a new door gratis. I guess I'm trading time instead of cash but it will work out OK.Lignum est bonum.
In these cases you want a fine furniture repair/touchup guy, not your painter. We've had cherry cabs with a misdrilled pull. The furniture guy in this case is also the cabinet makers finisher, but he filled, colored, grained, air brushed and was out the door in 20 minutes with an invisible repair.
Beer was created so carpenters wouldn't rule the world.
Now go get some lilies and stick them in the misdrilled hole. Then she won't have to look at a repair job while waiting and she will know you are attending to it.
LOL!!!
Buy a new door and don't forget to take the old one. You might find a use for it somewhere.
"What's an Arkansas flush?......It's a small revolver and any five cards."
cat
You responded to me on that "women in construction" thread but when I went there it had been moved, I assume to the tav?
What did you say that got the whole thread moved! I dont go into the tav so I cant read it. Damn mod's, cant leave well enough alone.
Doug
Edited 6/22/2007 7:19 pm ET by DougU
Don't blame it on me this time. <G>
BTW, I know you are missing this 90 degree + temp and 100% humidity in Texas right now.
"What's an Arkansas flush?......It's a small revolver and any five cards."
Don't blame it on me this time. <G>
I wouldnt dream of it!
I might have to come down there and do some minor work on our house in San Marcos to complete the sell of the place.
I had a deadbeat tenant/buyer that made selling the place difficult but finally got his azz out of the place and within the first week on the market I had 4 offers.
I think we have it sold but the "wish list" of fixes is a bit ambiguous and I dont know if I can hire it done or if I need to take a week off work here and go down there and do it myself.
You must be getting a lot of rain, my irrigation system is turned off at my house but I saw pictures of the yard today and its greener then anything I ever saw in 3 1/2 years in Texas!
Our humidity is not any better but our heat is so I'll stick with this if its all the same.
I listen to Austin radio every morning while getting ready for work and I sure miss that place, not the heat but Austin!
Hope everythings going well for you, I'm jones'n for some good texmex food!
Doug
Edited 6/25/2007 9:34 pm ET by DougU
Custom cabinets or custom anything don't have a "day" of install. The items get installed until the maker and the client are satisfied. If a homeowner wanted me to change the whole thing around 180º or paint it all blue I'd do it. I'd charge for the extra work of course. One thing I'd never tell a customer is TS. That would be rude and stupid.
I agree with you about the TS remark, unless for some unknown reason I didnt really want to recieve the final payment for the job. I always ask the customer about the handle location because it really is a personal preference, and everyone has a different opinion on that. I once worked with an IDIOT and I repeat IDIOT, that would install Bi-fold handles right next to the hinge pivot, where it is much easier to pinch your fingers (especially kids) when you close the door. He never asked the customer, but fortunatley I didnt work with the IDIOT long enough to find out if it was problem. OK , Im done venting now.
Edited 6/30/2007 2:40 pm ET by wood4rd
While you four boys are slapping each other on the back agreeing that my refusal to change an item on the day of delivery is a vile infringement on a homeowner, i'm still retired and you're all still working, while one of you loudmouths is facing a potential lawsuit for an installation that's delaminating, after closing the door - was that a right- or left-handed door, Buttkickski? - on his unsuccessful woodworking business. Perhaps anticipating problems and doing the job right the first time is a better operational mode, aided by the fact that my communication skills are somewhat more polished than those of you who've disagreed with me. Do it right and you'll only have to do it once.Carry on, chaps, and enjoy your weekend.
Splinti
Perhaps you have some pictures of those big jobs that you keep referring to that has allowed you to retire and make you feel all puffy! I'd like to see em.
I remember Ians work, pretty spectacular stuff, I assume yours was on the same level and hopefully you have documented some of it for us.
Retiring at 50 says absolutely nothing about the work that any of us on here does.
When you entered your retirement age into your argument the only thing that came to my simple mind is that it looks like ole splinti has ran out of ammo cause retirement certainly has nothing to do with when to install the hardware on the cabinetry. Actually it really doesn't have much to do with anything in this thread, but it is nice to know that you don't need to work anymore, good for you, medels are in the front office, stop in when you have time and pick out a nice one for yourself.
Your argument was weak then and its gotten even weaker since.
Doug; Still working past 50
Edited 6/30/2007 8:01 pm ET by DougU
If you'd like to refresh your memory, the 'retirement' comment was in reference to how well my "style" worked for me, in response to your telling me i didn't have the proper mindset about pleasing customers. Look it up; i'll wait. I've made no claims about doing big jobs; i actually joked that i should shut up and learn from the "big boys". See what i mean about communication skills, Doug? If you listen to your customers as well as you listen to me, i can see why you have last-minute change orders.Truth is, ADD would prevent me from stapling very many boxes together for very long. I did have a lot of fun moving and relocating my present house, though, and my Victorian restoration held my interest for eight years. Ian did have some grand projects, didn't he? Wish i'd known him then, but we didn't meet until he was retired and had time to travel. So...see you at Northfest?
Splinti
I'm going to do this even though I know better! Arguing with the likes of you or Bob Walker is like a one legged man in an azz kicking contest, me playing the part of the one legged man!
You mentioned the retirement thing because it validated your system, enough so that it worked well for you and you were able to amass enough coin to quit, that's good, I hope to do the same some day, I hope sooner rather then later?
in response to your telling me i didn't have the proper mindset about pleasing customers.
I did go back and look but I'm only willing to spend a finite amount of time on this topic, and that amount is nearing it's limit, but, I couldn't find anything that resembled me telling you that you didn't have the proper mind set to please a customer, maybe I just didn't look in the right place, don't know, I'll take your word, cant imagine you fibbing to prove your point!
If you listen to your customers as well as you listen to me, i can see why you have last-minute change orders.
I worked on a weekend get-away place for the CEO of Dell computer, maybe $10-12M, there was over 100 cabinet boxes in that place. It was not unusual for Mr. Rollins to come in and change his mind on something. No problem, we'd do the work and bill accordingly, never a problem with collecting the money for the work, he knew we couldn't do it for free and we knew he was trying to run a major corporation and maybe the details of something like where the pulls go or which way the door swings wasn't the most important thing on his mind when the design was done. That's sorta the way it is on big jobs, never seen one that didn't go something like that, NEVER and I'd say I've been involved in probably 10 houses where our trim/cabinet work exceeded $1M.
There is day and night differences in one or two off cabinets and whole houses full of the stuff.
I'm not arguing that your system cant work but for it to work in a large house packed with millwork and cabinets you'd have to be so on top of everything from the get go and I don't think that's possible for some small town girl from Montana with ADD!
So...see you at Northfest
I didn't see your name as "confirmed" yet, being retired I'd think you'd have plans laid out already, All the old people that I know that are retired can give you an itinerary on what they're going to do for the next 6 months. I've gave the idea some thought but as a current member of the working class party I have to do a little more planning so maybe........
Doug
Edited 7/1/2007 12:27 am ET by DougU
Doug, i suggest valerian. Anyone who needs to prove he's better than "some small town girl from Montana with ADD" needs to calm down.You're right, i couldn't do the Dell job. Even reading about it makes me twitch, but i'm glad there are those who do like such things, just as i'm glad for bank tellers and those lovely people who rotate my tires. Does "Mr." Rollins call you "Mr." Doug? Does he even know your name? MY customers are happy with MY work, which you also could not do bec it doesn't involve acres of plywood, gallons of stain, and miles of trim to bridge the gaps. See how well that works out, Jack Sprat? So you checked up on me to see if i was signed up for the Fest, eh? Just knowing you did that makes me feel all tingly.
Edited 7/1/2007 2:08 am ET by splintergroupie
This is getting good....hold on, I need a bowl of popcorn. BRB.
Ok. I'm back. Ding, ding......you may resume. Someone get the stypic pencils and vaseline.
snorK*
hold on, I gotta go find some icons to go with the popcorn...
ok...View ImageView Image View ImageView ImageView Image View ImageI have thus a tight shingled and plastered house, ten feet wide by fifteen long, and eight-feet posts, with a garret and a closet, a large window on each side, two trap doors, one door at the end, and a brick fireplace opposite. -Thoreau's Walden
WWTD?
<G>
What's the score now?SamT
Threads like this i wish i had the cast of characters, wheres my playbill??
I dunno, looks like we had a draw....I just got home from Gunners, missed it all, and somebody ate all my popcorn.
Shere,
Looks like they both have BIG EGOS to me. I think it would take all of us to build the houses to hold them. Of course I say this after my wife the phycologist look at their threads. But sure beats watching the Honey Mooner's.
Nailer
Draw?!?! Why, i orta...
I just got up at noon o'clock...you didn't wait for me to get geared up!
LOL.
Ok, you got the last round in your favor.
But , they got ya beat, just by the fact that there are more of them, than you. Watch yer 6.
Damn, now I need to make more popcorn and a box o' milk duds.
Dang me. This was a busy thread.SamT
Edited 7/2/2007 10:05 am by SamT
http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/PopcornHistory.htmI have thus a tight shingled and plastered house, ten feet wide by fifteen long, and eight-feet posts, with a garret and a closet, a large window on each side, two trap doors, one door at the end, and a brick fireplace opposite. -Thoreau's Walden
Doug, i suggest valerian. Anyone who needs to prove he's better than "some small town girl from Montana with ADD" needs to calm down.
I had to look "valerian" up in the dictionary. I'll assume your choice leads to definition #2.
2.
a drug consisting of or made from the root, formerly used as a nerve sedative and antispasmodic.
No body on here was trying to prove their better then a small town girl from Montana, don't let your insecurities get the better of ya, your above that shid.
Your the one that introduced the "I must be great because I'm retired at 50" and the rest of you are doing something wrong BS. I simply mentioned to you that retirement has nothing to do with our successes. I could provide a whole list of guys and gals that didn't accomplish a damn thing until they were well into their 60's 70's ......, your aware of some of them I'm sure. I'm sure your aware of many people that will work until the day they die, one of the most skilled craftsmen that I know always says to me when the conversation comes up regarding retirement, "I'll be pulling this plow till the day I die", you or I couldn't carry this mans tool bag, his skills are so far beyond most of the people over at knots that it blows my mind away. I give up on trying to do the kind of work that he does. Unfortunately the drink has got the better of him, that and anger. But are you better then him because you retired at 50, doubtful.
Does "Mr." Rollins call you "Mr." Doug?
That's funny splinti, condescending but funny. I could tell you about my relationship with Kevin Rollins but what purpose would it serve? You could dismiss it with some snide bs and it really wouldn't make any difference one way or the other. I was hired to do work on this place, I ran the show and was paid well for it, not enough to retire at 50 but compensated non the less! It's doubtful that Rollins would recognize me anymore then I would recognize him in a crowd. My guess is the same could be said about some of the people that you did work for. I do know that because of the service that I provide on the place I'd be welcomed back to do another job for him, that's all I need to know. I'm not looking for life long friends from my work.
MY customers are happy with MY work, which you also could not do bec it doesn't involve acres of plywood, gallons of stain, and miles of trim to bridge the gaps. See how well that works out, Jack Sprat?
Splinti, you don't have a clue what I can and cant do, well other then my lack of writing skills, that part is fairly obvious, but every job I did didn't involve a mile of plywood and gallons of finish. You really are feeling your insecurities when it comes to this woodworking thing aren't cha? Get over it, everybody isn't cut out for it, some such as yourself are maybe more suited to sitting in a little old lady's parlor and asking them where they would want the pulls, that's cool, some one has to take care of those people, glad its you. I don't have the patience for that sort of work. I'm not a people person, as is probably obvious by now.
Again, show me the stuff that has provided you the cushy life that you so love to flaunt. I'm really curious.
So you checked up on me to see if i was signed up for the Fest, eh? Just knowing you did that makes me feel all tingly.
The flattery that you bestow upon yourself is only outdone by your wit! I look in the BTfest folder from time to time. God gave me a pretty good memory, because of that I think I could probably name most of the people on the list and those that have actually committed, you were listed as a def maybe.
I hate to be responsible for you losing that tingly feeling but you had to know it was going to happen.
This thread and my involvement in it should have died two weeks ago. Now you see the reason that I don't go into the tav, I cant quite while I'm at least even.
I think I will just concede that your the queen of which way the door should swing and where the knobs be placed and let this thread fall to the bottom where it belongs.
It's been a treat
Doug
Popcorn?!?!?Gimmee sum. This is gettin' good.SamT
Your the one that introduced the "I must be great because I'm retired at 50"
Not at all. I congratulated you on your success, then said that my own customer-service approach - which you had just attacked in your previous post comparing me to your ex-wife - had apparently worked well enough for me, too, offering my retirement as proof of that. At that point, you and Butt started your Good Ol' Boy routine about my money coming from an inheritance. I let it slide until the fourth GOB appeared yesterday.
You should note i made no claim anywhere about the quality of my work compared to anyone else's; i've only said that while i could not do your job, the reverse is also true. I've also made no correlation between the work one is capable of and whether that makes them 'better' than others. It's been interesting to me to see what you've created in that vacuum of information, though.
not looking for life long friends from my work.
Yet another area where you and i differ. I am vastly more interested in people than i am in money, and in interesting work over well-paying work.
show me the stuff that has provided you the cushy
I showed you a $250,000 dollar diamond in the rough, actually, but one can lead a blind pig only so far. Cushy? Did you miss my threads on zinc poisoning and the hobo spider bite?!?!
you don't have a clue what I can and cant do
You're right. You talk about installing a 100 boxes like it's a big deal, while i know it's no harder to install the last 10 than the first 10. Similarly, i don't feel that dropping names of my commission clients would confer heightened credibility, but rather make me appear...oh, i dunno...insecure, perhaps. I definitely wouldn't feel competent to judge your work based on the little i've seen in threads, but ignorance seems not to constrain you as it does me.
What i have judged is your character and your reasoning ability, and you've given me ample grounds to do that.
Now, if you'll excuse me, i have a game of Hearts to return to with one of my former clients and her 99 cats.
Splinti, Splinti.......
I'm not responding to any more of this drivel on the hows and whys of cabinet making, customers( I never use the word commission, I'm hired to do a job, you big shots get commissions) wants and needs, you obviously have your way and I have mine, nether of us are going to change based on any of the BS in this thread.
Did you miss my threads on zinc poisoning and the hobo spider bite?!?!
No, sorry I missed it but don't bother with the link, it really doesn't sound all that interesting.
I assume that the house sitting over the new foundation is the $250,000 diamond in the rough? And how would I know that? I could take you to places right here in Iowa where that would be maybe a $70,000 place when completed and others where $250K wouldn't be anywhere near enough. Some pictures are just pictures without an explanation of the subject.
but ignorance seems not to constrain you as it does me.
Everybody on here knows of your ability to write/talk, me included. But your making a big assumption thinking that somehow that makes you smarter/wiser/intellectually superior then those that lack those two skills.
not looking for life long friends from my work.
Yet another area where you and i differ. I am vastly more interested in people than i am in money, and in interesting work over well-paying work
And that's fine, I'm interested in the work and the money that goes with the work, in that order. I don't make friends easily and I don't go to work to find them, just different ways of going through life I guess.
As we have these little exchanges that seam to add fodder to the ho-hum life here at BT I've picked up one particular thing from this thread that troubles me, your comprehension, it doesn't seam to match your intellect like I would think. Now maybe that's because I'm not as smart as you and the two don't necessarily go hand in hand but this particular passage got to me a little more so then some of your other miscues.
which you had just attacked in your previous post comparing me to your ex-wife
Never have I ever compared you or any other woman to my ex-wife, you would be hard pressed to find an example of that.
I'm not going to go back and copy/paste the actual line that I used but it went something like I don't need to argue trivial stuff like this with you, that's what I have an ex for or something of that nature, I don't know for sure, I'd have to really give a shid a little more then I do to find out but compare the two of you -never happen.
Hope the card game goes in your favor and the cat hair stays out of your cake.
My best to you and now I'm going to go ride my bike, maybe I'll ride the rough terrain as a punishment to myself for ever entering into this discussion with you! I knew better and still did it, what a fool am I......
Doug
Edited 7/1/2007 6:52 pm ET by DougU
I assume that the house sitting over the new foundation is the $250,000 diamond in the rough? And how would I know that?
You might have asked, but you aren't very curious. You make up for a lack of curiosity with a penchant for fantasy.
SG: but ignorance seems not to constrain you as it does me.
DU: Everybody on here knows of your ability to write/talk, me included. But your making a big assumption thinking that somehow that makes you smarter/wiser/intellectually superior then those that lack those two skills.
Whether my verbal abilities correlate to your anyone else's intelligence is not at issue and i see no reason why you bring it up except to avoid addressing the real point of the paragraph to which your refer, namely that you make assumptions about me and my work based on nothing but your prideful ignorance, while i have made no such assumptions beyond the information you've fed me...unless, of course, NO plywood, stain, or trim was used in 'Mr.' Collins's 100 boxes. Perhaps you should have linked the entire quote for its full meaning, instead of dishonestly cherry-picking the part you're fixated on. Will that be another thing you can't be bothered to look up?
I don't need to argue trivial stuff like this with you
True, no one forced you to be the ungracious snot you've been to me on this thread, but you chose that, for whatever chest-thumping, testosterone-poisoned reasons have possessed you to respond repeatedly and negatively when you keep saying you have no time for this. You have been indeed a "fool", as you say - not for replying to me, but for thinking you could do so in the manner you did without reprisal.
<<aided by the fact that my communication skills are more polished than those of you whove disagreed with me.>> Splintergroupee, I wouldnt say telling a customer TS is a good way of displaying polished communication skills, although the more I think about it.. there probably have been a couple of customers I should have said that to. If I did it often enough, I would probably be retired too, or was that unemployed?
Edited 7/1/2007 8:30 am ET by wood4rd
Well, the "TS" was shorthand for refusing a customer's late whim. Who knew you guys would take it so literally...and so to heart? They say diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell so that they think you've given them directions. Bottom line is that the final day, i'm not changing a door swing bec a) i've already thought it out, and b) bec i'm not going to.I'm more properly retired than unemployed. I'm a sought-after volunteer these days. <G>
Splintergroupie, I see your point, but I like to tell them it can be changed or done differently as long as they dont mind spending the $$$$$. I dont like making changes either, they are a PITA .But if theres some extra $$$$$ to be made, why not?
But if theres some extra $$$$$ to be made, why not?
If one's motivation is primarily money, that makes sense. Mine isn't. Shocking development in the Land of More, isn't it?
I provide a service and I feel I should be compensated for it. If you have a problem with that, then TS.
Edited 7/1/2007 9:00 pm ET by wood4rd
Perhaps anticipating problems and doing the job right the first time is a better operational mode, aided by the fact that my communication skills are somewhat more polished than those of you who've disagreed with me. Do it right and you'll only have to do it once.
That has to be one of the most egotistical BS comments I've read here in a long while.
First of all to claim your communication skills are more polished than others here is a joke when just a few post earlier you claim you'd tell a customer tough sht if they wanted to change something. Sorry dear, but that shows some pretty poor communication ability.
Secondly, you're advocating good customer service with the flowers etc. Well it extends to ensuring the client is happy at the end of the job. So if one of our clients wants to change something, they get what they want, they pay for it, but they get it. If anyone ever told one of my clients TS it would be the last time.
That has to be one of the most egotistical BS comments I've read here in a long while.
Thank-you for noticing.
Do you think i started and ran a woodworking business based on what men thought about my ego?
Sorry dear, but that shows some pretty poor communication ability.
Actually not. What i say may not be what the client wishes to hear, but that is not the same thing as ineffective communication. My effective-communication part is in heading off problems like the wrong-swinging door before they get made.
If anyone ever told one of my clients TS it would be the last time.
Unlike you and some others, i don't feel that the client or her money is God; IMO the job should be an equal partnership, ending at the point where one or both parties are unable to enjoy it. Twice i've told clients, in essence, "tough ####". One person wanted more work done later on despite having been told "no", but i refused bec she'd proven herself to be a PITA with minimal aesthetic ability.
The other client wanted to raise his bed up by scabbing a new piece of rosewood to the bottoms of the legs. I was not about to ruin the lines and construction of the bed (i added a secret compartment to the design as MY version of "good customer service") just because he bought a new comforter. He later proposed pedestals for each foot. Not a perfect solution to have a Japanese-style bed at Victorian height, but i could live with it as long as the bed itself was still integrated.
In the art fair crowd, we had a phrase for a certain kind of customer, the kind who "wants art to match her sofa". Some artists are only too happy to mass-produce for such people. Others aren't so easily bought.
I have a friend who turned down the Smithsonian to make them a kaleidoscope for $40K. I asked him about it bec they called me about selling my work in their gallery, too, but he said they don't pay promptly, treading on artists bec of who they are. I didn't follow up. Steve did, however, get a picture of his wooden shop-vac in FWW. <G>
Edited 7/1/2007 9:50 pm ET by splintergroupie
This thread has gotten quite stupid. You guys need to take it offline, email each other this stuff instead of posting it in public.
No one's twisting your arm to read it, are they?
Of course not... duh... but you guys are blathering on about whatever--completely unrelated to the thread topic--like a couple of idjits. This is a busy forum and one that a lot of people rely on for useful information. Show some respect... your little shoving match needs to go somewhere else.
I show respect where respect is shown. You'll get yours when you give it.
My my my! What a trip this has been. On the night I join this forum and such abuse to one another. It has been very comical though. I agree that the door should be replaced and nothing more. Flowers are not necessary at all. Giving them would be like saying I want to kiss your arse for being human and making a mistake. There is no need for such. All of us have made errors on job sites and we all know it.
welcome ladyfire...
pull up a chair and please fasten yur seat belt...
this place is different...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Yes it is. Funny though.
but so seriously funny..
drop into the Tav if you want funny...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&msg=88430.9Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
BTW...
there wasn't any abuse...
just difference of opinion...
that's what make this place tick...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Okay. I stand correxted about the abuse. However I do believe that if the two of them were in the same room, ........ It might get even hairier.
No, more likely they would laugh and buy each other a drink at the bar.I have thus a tight shingled and plastered house, ten feet wide by fifteen long, and eight-feet posts, with a garret and a closet, a large window on each side, two trap doors, one door at the end, and a brick fireplace opposite. -Thoreau's Walden
I just had to delete a message so I'll come over here and calm down.
Nah...there would likely be beer involved. <G>I have a lot of respect for Doug and Dave both, but i tend pretty quickly to clear a perimeter when i get "little missied".So, Ladyfire...welcome! What sort of work do you do?
Thanks for the welcome.
Construction. Remodeling mostly. Some energy effeciency.
details please...
felt or Tyvek????
vented or unvented...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Tyvek and vented. No one here is doing unvented attics yet.
Well, it does my heart good to see women represented in the trades, and you're obviously no shrinking violet if you chose to make your entree on BT in this thread. If i'd known you were watching i'd have dialed it in funnier!
Thanks. It was pretty funny from this end. I enjoy meeting people. I found myself bored and was looking for something to do. Glad I found this place.
Bosch or Milwaukee???
Makita or Hitachie???
ryobie or DeWalt... Rigid...
Air tools..
mitersaw...
you want controversy...
this as good as way as any to stir the pot...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Makita, Milwaukee. and Dewalt. And you forgot to capitalize RYOBI.
Edited 7/2/2007 1:01 am ET by ladyfire
no I didn't...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Yabbut, he capitalized DeWalt twice. That counts around here.
I'll say. DEWALT is as good as sex sometimes.
OH Lordie..........
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Imerc, be forgetting screws or nails...
and the famous Piffins as well."Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
and since it was brought to light...
what is yur stand with / on Oracle Brand Piffen Screws and their application...
do you frame with nails, screws or both???Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Okay Imerc
We frame our houses with nails. On our decks we use screws. Never heard of piffen screws though. Is this a new brand that is out or is piffen paying you to advertise for him?
if you do a search on most of these subjects you'll find that they can be fiercely debated here..
and some, none to tamely..
Piffen Screws is an enity all it's own... Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Debate? Looks like I got into the right forum then. And Piffen is definately an entity all of his own from the things that I've heard. But then again, so is Bosshog.
Splinti
Guess what I had to do today?
I had to go out to a good customer of ours and cut out the backside of a cabinet in his office so that he could get a bigger cpu in then the one that he said he was going to buy! That dirty sob, how dare him.
I suggested at our Mon. morning meeting that we tell him TS, trying to be like you - I knew you'd be proud of me ;)
My boss gave me a dirty look and said we'll table that idea - make it a plan B if necessary.
I figured I'd get the chance to finally use my MultiMaster though so I went out to give it a shot.
Wouldn't you know it, the damn cabinet was full of electric stuff and I hate having to cut into that shid, good thing the electrician was going to be there just in case I f#%&*d something up. He was all for telling the HO TS as well. You might be on to something here, at least you have followers!
Here's some pictures of what I did, never one to pass up the chance to show off my work ya know.
Really I'm just trying to make this thread educational and all.
Oh, BTW, I owe Calvin a great big thank you, it was him that made me decide to buy the Multi Master and I love the damn thing, great tool for this application.
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this is the culprit;
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Striped the cabinet of all the electrical stuff.
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After using my Multi Master to cut the back out and remove the insulation - its against an outside wall. Notice the spray foam insulation followed buy blown in white stuff( I don't know what the white stuff is called)
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Electrician moved the boxes, I don't think he was all to happy about it, the boxes look a tad out of kilder.
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Earlier I called the shop and gave them a dimension of a shallow box that I needed and they promptly built me one and hustled it out to me. This is the new back installed with all the wiring back in place - I had to do it though cause that damn electrician took off on me -sob.
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Here it is ready for the HO to put the cpu into the cabinet, I wasn't touching it, I couldn't figure out where I unhooked some of the wires from - oh well, they hired a carpenter not an audio guy!
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Seriously Splinti, I'm just funnin with ya, I thought the timing of this job was a little to coincidental to pass up though.
Doug
Edited 7/2/2007 10:24 pm ET by DougU
Don't you just hate modifying that IKEA crapNo wonder you wanted to try the TS route
Barry E-Remodeler
Yea, Ikea - I'll be sure to pass that along to the shop guys tomarrow!
We're bidding on a job over in your neck of the woods, not quit sure where it is but I heard this morning that we were looking at something over in Des Moines somewhere?
Doug
just don't tell the shop guys where I live. <g>So you are trying to up the level of craftsmanship in Des Moines? Is it a residential job? New job? We have a couple of areas that probably build the caliber of stuff you guys do.I talked to a couple from Iowa City this weekend. They own a place called the Design Ranch? They said there was some nice work going up in the Iowa City/ Cedar Rapids area and business was good
Barry E-Remodeler
So you are trying to up the level of craftsmanship in Des Moines?
No just add to it.
Apparently there is a house designer from Cedar Rapids that moved to Des Moines and we have some IN with the guy, don't know much more then that though.
I have heard of a place in Bondurant that does good cabinet work? Not sure if that's true or not, just heard something about it.
I've never heard of Design Ranch, have to ask around.
How are you doing with that contemporary house, done with it? Still working on it?
Doug
Probably Fine Line Woodworking, they do some nice stuff.
Still working on the contemporary, 2 or 3 more weeks should do it. Floors are being refinished and the marble tops are in progress mostly a matter of touch up and punch out. Thanks for asking.
Right next to the contemporary they just sold the house in the pic below and are going to do a big remodel before they move in. The owner of the house I'm working on talked to the new owners who said they already have a team in place to do the remodel. Made me wonder when you said your company might be doing work in this area. Let me know how that job pans out if you are staying in the area.
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Barry E-Remodeler
Edited 7/3/2007 8:21 am by BarryE
Barry
I'm assuming that the work in Des Moines is new construction but not real sure. I'll have to ask my boss on Thursday - he cant keep a secret! I will let you know when I do.
The house in the pic looks pretty interesting, must be a cool neighborhood. I'm sure I've drivin through it but I doubt I'd recognize the name of the hood.
Doug
Jeez Doug a really good finish man would have straightened up those boxes. :-)"Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
Word.
would have straightened up those boxes.
You mean the electric boxes! Those are some of the wierdest damn recepticals and cover plates that I've ever came across, I was damn lucky to get them back together so that they worked.
Once you put the cpu in you wont see em!
Doug
Well, Mr. "Once-you-put-the-cpu-in-you-wont-see-em!"... i do all my own electrical work, from the drop onward, to avoid stuff looking like that; there are better choices in boxes to use than those POS nail-on ones in such a situation. And nope, outside the arched crown, it's all square, flat stuff that would bore me to tears, to make or to own. The white stuff is probably BIBs, FYI. I prefer cellulose bec its 'green' and i can do it myself, but to each his own.
I expect your feelings would be hurt if you went away without a ribbon or something so i hereby concede the "More Acreage per Year" award to its rightful owner, as if there were ever any doubt. Since you so graciously shared your work with me...
Splinti
Please don't rip me on the building practices(insulation), I just installed the millwork, I didn't build the damn place!
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Ahhh, my favorite wood, beautiful work/design. I don't get the chance to do that stuff and I'm a bit envious of you for that.
Maybe I'm assuming the tiger maple? I have some figured sycamore that I bought off e-bay that's very hard to tell the diff from maple.
My last piece of furniture and the only one that I built in the last 5 years was a walnut bed highlighted with tiger maple arches that I did for my son who got married last summer.
I'm hoarding about 1000 bd ft of figured/tiger maple just in case I live long enough to build my own house someday. You know me, I'm a practitioner of the "more is more" when it comes to woodwork and cabinets!
Just so you don't think everything I do is "outside the arched crown, it's all square, flat stuff that would bore me to tears" Still from the book of "more is more" school of architectural millwork and custom cabinetry. I attached a few..... two pics of the cherry bar and one of the media room that seams to never get finished. My part is done but the audio guys...........want to see a really boring job - imagine running wires all over the house and never getting to see any of your work unless something goes to shid!
I do like your work and I'm glad you shared it...........now where do I pick up that ribbon that you mentioned?
Doug
Oh wow! That is awesome stuff. Being that I am Indian, the diningroom table took my breath away! Absolutely love it. Gotta get me one of those.
Nice.
I would love to have the time to do stuff like that.
Maybe when I retire.
You will never retire my dear. You are married to me and trapped for the rest of your days. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
So now the truth is out!
bambam finally talked you into getting onto BT to see what it is and now yer hooked.
be most definitely
and I give the details because very few are able to tell exactly what their houses cost, and fewer still, if any, the separate cost of the various materials which compose them: —
Boards, ..........................$8.03½, mostly shanty boards. Refuse shingles for roof and sides, ..................... 4.00 Laths, ........................... 1.25 Two second-hand windows with glass, .................... 2.43 One thousand old brick, .......... 4.00 Two casks of lime, ............... 2.40 That was high. Hair, ............................ 0.31 More than I needed. Mantle-tree iron, ................ 0.15 Nails, ........................... 3.90 Hinges and screws, ............... 0.14 Latch, ........................... 0.10 Chalk, ........................... 0.01 Transportation, .................. 1.40 I carried a good part on my back. In all, ................... $28.12½
-Thoreau's Walden
Edited 7/4/2007 10:42 am ET by rez
Yeah yeah. He would tell me about some of the famous ramblings and we would banter about it. It finally got the best of me and I had to see this famous place called BT. Now he's opened his mouth about a winterfest and.......
that they are...
and there is a bazillion debates waiting on ya...
and even more debaiters to join into the frackus...
pick yur topic or subject...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
And another 'Welcome to BT' for you.
However, yer going to have to learn that definitely is not spelled with an 'a'.
be doing that and everything will be fine ;o) and I give the details because very few are able to tell exactly what their houses cost, and fewer still, if any, the separate cost of the various materials which compose them: —
Boards, ..........................$8.03½, mostly shanty boards. Refuse shingles for roof and sides, ..................... 4.00 Laths, ........................... 1.25 Two second-hand windows with glass, .................... 2.43 One thousand old brick, .......... 4.00 Two casks of lime, ............... 2.40 That was high. Hair, ............................ 0.31 More than I needed. Mantle-tree iron, ................ 0.15 Nails, ........................... 3.90 Hinges and screws, ............... 0.14 Latch, ........................... 0.10 Chalk, ........................... 0.01 Transportation, .................. 1.40 I carried a good part on my back. In all, ................... $28.12½
-Thoreau's Walden
Hello Rez and thanks for the welcome. So I have to ask were you a teacher sometime or another? definitely did you say?
yur turn...
what about the dots???Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
You keep this up and someone's gonna complain you are cluttering up their busy forum on a Sunday evening.Nah...you don't have the right plumbing...
so the cab door was replaced and now it's on to other bizz...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Didn't the OP order the cabinet door on the 21st? Funny...
DIIK....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Platform frame and face nail or stick build and toe nail?"Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
Worked for a framer years ago that actually toenailed the studs to the bottom AND top plate.
Work is completed, cheque received and cleared. Customer satisfied (without flowers). Skipped the DVD we were going to watch last night and gathered the family 'round the ol' PC to watch THIS show instead.Lignum est bonum.
Congrads, If the check is cleared maybe you could donate some money for Dan and Splintie for flowers for each other.
http://www.worldwidefloralnetwork.com/?gclid=COjW3JyNiY0CFSKgYAodjFEIcQLignum est bonum.
I cant say much though I kinda had my own rant yesterday that got out of hand.
Had to delete one of my post and make up.
I guess everbody has an off day.
Damn, it took us longer to debate it than for you to git 'er done... 'Bout par, eh?
rhe dots...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
not dots, diamonds.....for those who aren't quite centered correctly. ;-)"Poor is not the person who has too little, but the person who craves more."...Seneca
diamonds are the "other" thing...
we can get to them later...
I mean dots..............................................Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
At my age, finding the yellow sex toys means half the battle is already over.
Now that is funny!!! I don't care who you are!! My experience with De Walt is from building apartments several years ago. I am only 5'5" and weigh about 110#, so the DeWalt was easier and a lot lighter to use being I was the saw man on that job. That is when I fell in love with DeWalt.
Edited 7/2/2007 1:22 am ET by ladyfire
I hear you. BC (Before Cordless) I always bought Milwaukee because they had the smallest drill handle...just fortunate they made a wonderful drill, too. Same for the fit on the Dewalt, plus i ended up getting screaming deals on all my DW stuff, and despite what IMERC says, it is NOT the spawn of the devil. Well, except for the jigsaw...
80% of my tools are DeWalt so I have to agree.
you'll learn after a while..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I've never really had any problems with mine.
it's the company that is difficult..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I see you and LF are from the same how do you pronounce that name town....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I see you and LF are from the same how do you pronounce that name town....
Pretty much the way it is spelled believe it or not. Most locals make the "g" silent though.
HEY!!!!!!
I had to go back and add that in...
almost left them out...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
i'll take the point hit and I'll try not to let it happen again...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I'm gonna hold out for KitchenAid to start making power tools. Lordy, this processor i bought...it's like having a Rolls parked on the counter. I swoon thinking what they might do to cordless drill design.
when we did the University we used a humongous Hobart mixer for the thinset and grout...
so why not Kitchen Aide..
back after a bit... gotta feed...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I mix my quick-set mud with Grandma's GE hand-held mixer (pink) right in the pan. (Got one of those Stanley round-bottom ones...works well.) I can't kill that thing. Must be 60 years old now.
do it the same way with dollar yard sale mixers..
got a huge SS mixing bowl to go with that...
what's wit deleting yur message...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
double posting...finger stuttertertreter...EDIT: Wait a minute...i thought you meant the earlier one. No idea what happened there...i didn't do it! Weird...
Edited 7/2/2007 1:20 am ET by splintergroupie
it must have been the BH boys...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
nope...
they'd buy each other whatever the other was having ....
and the conversaion(s) would be anything but like they are here....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Probably. Sounds like all parties involved are very skilled in what they do.
they are...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
felt or rosin???Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
30 # felt.
I think slykarma should replace the cabinet door.
Damned if I didn't run into a situ similar to customers re-inventing a finished job.
I had made 2 "Garden Bench" style love seats..I forget the name of them, but they have a swoopy back and a rolled armrest, all slat and frame. He wanted Cherry, for interior use. We took an existing pic and extropolated it UP in scale, to be more "roomy".
I had grossly under bid, being as he was a long standing customer I wasn't too concerned, but the "sofas" were a bit too big to assemble in my shop, so I completed them in our Guitar shop. He had been over to see the progress and pay for sofa #1, just prior to delivery. All was well. I delivered it, and scheduled the #2 delivery in about a week.
Meanwhile the Mrs. Customer ( Funny, Mrs. Miller) had contacted an upholsterer to make the cushions, which turned out to cost MORE than my Cherry Frames..I told ya I underbid.
Anyway,I have #2 on my truck..on my way to him. I was following a good budddy that happened to be riding his MC on the the same route..when WHAM, a car ran a red light and killed him, right in front of me..( after a while I resumed my travels) ..but was pretty upset.
Arrived at the house and Mr. customer, says "they are too tall" we want you to cut the legs off..and I really don't think we need#2, because the cushions are so expensive...I about lost it.
He did get told TS, and a few other choice words..and it was all I could to do to keep from having a stroke.
He finally stood down and realized I was a force to be reckoned with SOME OTHER time. Paid me, settled for the finished height, got his cushions, and GOT USED to the higher sofa after a few weeks..and we continued a biz. relationship
I might have pics somewhere, if they weren't in my stolen portfolio...really cool Pcs. of work.
Back to your regularly scheduled fisti-cuffs..Outta popcorn, I am whittling on Soft Pretzels now. With horseradish mustard.
Ding!
That sounds like typically unpleasant-but-interesting Spheric expherience, LOL!I actually ended up on even better terms with my attorney and his wife of the Too-Tall Bed, staying at their house when i did shows in their town; i suspect he might actually have appreciated someone who stuck to her guns. They had a houseful of eclectic art they'd invested in, but also truly enjoyed. I'd wake up in a 19th-Century rope bed and study a Peter Max painting on the way to the bathroom. And the food...oh, my... Until i got my digital camera, almost all my shots of my work were in slide form bec that was the format for jurying into shows. (Now there are "ZAPPlications", all digital.) I guess there are slide scanners...i don't have one, don't much care anymore, except times like these. <G>
Ahhh. Peter Max. One of my faves, right behind MC Escher.
Why is it that when you leave we start getting rain again?
I was in Austin a few days ago and had breakfast at La Reyna on South First St.
"What's an Arkansas flush?......It's a small revolver and any five cards."
1. Check the door size. If your really really lucky perhaps you can use it somewhere else. (probably not though, the universe doesn't usually work that way)
2. See what the filler looks like. Unfortunately, the HO already knows about your error and no matter how good the filler is it won't be good enough because she will know it's there.
3. You might save yourself all the agrivation by just replaceing the door. In the long run it might be best for because the the HO will go on and on to all her friends about what a great contractor she had. You can't buy advertising like that.
Dave
Tell her the hinges are on the wrong side of the door, but you will take care of it at no charge to her.
i only install cabinets once in awhile, When i go to drill i wait if i can till theres no one around to talk to me, i like to do it when i feel good not tired. i like to be focused only on that. Before i start any job if i can i tell the people im not perfect i can make mistakes but i will fix them, seems i only screw up when the customers are nit picky. The last few jobs i was surprized how long it took, I had the plastic markers as dovetail said but they did not match the pulls, The thing to do on my list is to get some more and be ready next time
buy a new door, I too, have made egregious mistakes and tried to repair the damage. Don't even try, just order a new door and use the old one as a cutting board.
good luck
john