i showed lowes who was boss,yeah right
getting ready to build some kit cabs and went to lowes to get it. i have never done this before but i was going to have them saw it into close dimensions,so when i’m at the shop alone i can handle them easier.
i have one of those 20% hd coupons ,they have always taken them but last time were a little iffy. so i stop at registar and ask,you going to honor this. yes no problem
so i go back and have them cut up 10 sheets of oak ply,12″16″ 24″ rips.it’s a nice stack of wood. head to the registar. sorry we won’t do this.got the store manager there.WE got a problem i say,i asked before this was all cut up and now you have 30 strips of oak for firewood. he tells me no way were not taking this hd coupon.
so i grin,said ok and walk right past those 2 carts of plywood.
so heres how it ends,lowes ate 450 worth of plywood and i went to hd and paid the full price and spent more than if i would of bought at lowes for full price.
that will teach those bast ards.
to bad rez isn’t closer he could probably buy it all for 75. larry
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go back tomorrow and buy it all for 10%.
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
and stop buying cab grade ply at HD or Lowes!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
i went back in today just to see,didn't find it.
i understand about buying cab ply at big box. but to tell you the truth no one here carries decent plywood,big box or lumber yards. i have to order it in from kansas city and pay with shipping darn near twice as much. and when you get down to it i have 2 pcs in the uppers that show by the sink,and 1 end panel on the lowers. so maybe i can find some nice grain in a couple pcs.
would osb work???????????????????????????at least theres no holesif a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
Jeff, I'm in the same boat here in Utah.
There is no cabinet ply in town except that cheap #### at HD.
None, zero, nada.
Closest is 45 miles south in St. George. Got some, think it was 20+ sheets to get it delivered here.
No hardwood either. No cabinet wood to be had here.
Joe H
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You owe it to yourself to go into the above and check out the stock. In stock.
http://www.nationalwood.com/about.htm
Edited 7/2/2008 5:38 pm by ClaysWorld
They are in Salt Lake, 225 miles each way.
Joe H
Sorry I thought you were in town.
There I go thinking again. There's the problem
"and stop buying cab grade ply at HD or Lowes!"
Uh . . . he didn't. Neither HD or Lowes has ever even seen cab grade ply, let alone sell it.
PS: Can't figure out why the OP paid full price at HD if he had a HD coupon to present to Lowes. I guess HD wouldn't take it either. At which point, he shoulda' stomped out of HD and headed to a real lumber yard like he should have done in the first place.
That said, I've been having trouble with ply even from my trusted sources lately. About a month ago, I had a sheet of 1/2" cherry turn into two 1/4" sheets as soon as I ripped an edge off. Sheesh! At a buck & a quarter a pop, you'd think they'd use some glue!
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
Edit: Just noticed OP's later post lamenting that there is no good yard around him. Now that's just a panty-waist excuse. ;-) I drove 225 miles last weekend to pick up just 16 bf of cherry. If I'm gonna be lookin' at it for the next umpteen years, I don't wanna be forever wishing I'd found some better stock! Sometimes, it's just worth the trip.
Edited 7/2/2008 8:08 am ET by MikeHennessy
I'd a taken the cherry back and back charged them for your time and gas. I priced a sheet of bamboo ... and it was like 300 clams ... ouch!! Plan B.
Drove 225 miles and spent ... what $50 bucks on gas doing it? Ouch. Or maybe you spent $100 if you got one of them thar tax credit vehicles. You showed the oil company who was boss.
What's the addy of the Lowes?
snorK*
"and i went to hd and paid the full price"
So home depot wouldn't take the 20% HD coupon, either, 'eh ?
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Probably a fake or they thought that it was. About 4 years ago lots of fake HD coupons started being sold on ebay. I've gotten many HD and Lowes coupons on ebay, some real and some not. Also had stores turn down coupons whether they were real or fake due to them getting so many fakes. I even had Sears turn me down on a $5 off coupon that I downloaded from their website. I explained to them that I could show that it was real by pulling up their website there in front of them. The clerk specifically said that it didn't matter, and that they have had so many fakes that they have been instructed to honor none of them, even the real ones.
alwaysoverbudget.
I keep saying solid wood!
you want oak, buy oak not plywood made to look like oak..
I pay 80 cents a bd.ft. for oak.. I dry it, run it thru the planner and wind up with 32 bd.ft. of solid oak for $25.60 plus it's already saw into managable sized strps 8 1/2 feet long.. I used to get up to 22 inch wide planks if I wanted them which minimises the glueing and clamping.
i love the idea of solid wood,but unless i go buy a 150k semi truck i'm to far away to get those kinda prices. i'll tell ya when you guys back east talk about the cost per foot it makes me druel.
the best price you can find around here is about a 1.75 a ft,so that puts ply back in the running.larryif a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
alwaysoverbudget,
I help a buddy of mine in San Diego.. Whenever I visit him I load up my truck with wood and haul it out.. in return he buys the fuel and I enjoy the drive.. Perhaps you could do something similar?
I can get some pretty great hardwood for $1.00 or less per bd.ft. Figure about $450 nowdays in gas costs to drive from Mpls to LA.
(used to be a little over $100.00 each way) I can haul about 1000 bd.ft. in a pickup
I've driven back and forth to Deetroit's from Denver this year already. Getting an average of 22 mpg, it costs me 4 fillups at about $70 each. One way. Not to mention the cost of a hotel and food. The car is not loaded down.
I'm thinking the cost of running to Diego has gone up recently...
Somehow, I always thought you lived in CO around Telluride.
Welcome back from your vacation, if you feel the need to insult someone I'm game.
FWIW: People have been known to be given an involuntary vacation just for trying to provoke someone else into earning one.;o)
Trying to reason with someone who just wants to argue or insult, is not a reasonable pursuit.
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Well I for one welcome him back, gives me time to work on somethingf else besides the "Free Frenchy" campaign like stirring up the ummmmm......brain challenged.....right wing lobby here.
One thing I have noticed at Lowes is the clerks are always rotating duties every 15 minutes or so. So if I do a return at the customer service desk and she is nice so I want to go get something and come back to her to get it price matched she is usually gone and replaced by someone else. I guess the lesson is that once you find someone that says yes to the 20% coupon or ad or whatever buy the stuff right there on the spot and THEN go get it all cut up. There everyone, that is our Lowes Lesson of the Day :)
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I am shocked that you would trust them to cut accurate enough to build cabinets.
I think, and would hope, he just had them lop it up outta full sheets oversize for transportion and handling. I had to do that once when I was in a bind. But they let me ( not a big box, an independant wood monger) use the panel saw and I just had to knock 2' off a 4x8.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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they use a panel saw and have a sign right there that they only get within a 1/4" . so i have them rip at 16 when i only really need 15.1/4. so when i get back it's easier to handle. it worked out pretty well.
i'd love to have one of those panel saws...............larryif a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
I had them use the panel saw last week, he could not get within two inches
Is this the ole "cut off your nose to spite your face" stuff I was always hearing about from my parent growing up?...;-) Just sayin'
J
no it's a fact,but man it can sure feel good,telling them to stick it.larryif a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
You showed them!
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I did something similar once. I shop Lowes alot and I know alot of people there. I never ask for discounts for ustomer jobs but for my own houses occasionally I do and its usually given to me.
On this particular day though I ran into a very young gung ho manager. I had $700 worth of finish material on the cart and asked for 10% off. Mind you this is the store that I pretty much replaced every stolen tool at after they gave me 10% off on all of it.
This green manager says "No way". He wouldnt hear of knocking $70 off the cart.
I sat there for a minute thinking and just walked out with this huge cart of trim just sitting there.
I think it was more on principal. I'd done alot of business there and have had a good relationship with that store and he just blew me off.
Come to think of it, we were buying a house full of windows at that same store and my ex bus partner (who wouldnt pay full price for a pop) wanted a discount on the windows.
Another green manager comes over and my partner tells him how much we intended to spend in their store and can we have a discount?
This guy looks at him and says alot of people spend alot of money here, you want the windows or not?
so heres how it ends,lowes ate 450 worth of plywood and i went to hd and paid the full price and spent more than if i would of bought at lowes for full price.<<<<<<.
I get tempted sometimes to do the same sort of thing but im too cheap, so i eat my pride for shekels.
however i can live a wild live through you... good job;]
But why did you not pay full price at Lowes, it was already cut and same price as HD? Why do you think you derserve a discount?
because i'm special
i had a coupon and they ok'd it before a pc of wood was cut,so a deal was made and they didn't want to hold to their end.if a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
I'm confuseticated too!I think you had a HD coupon - why did you not take it to HD?
They are not the same store as Lowes. If one of my competitors issued a coupon, would you expect me to honor it too? There is something missing in this whole story.Other than the fact that you are "special", I mean.
That line is supposed to impress your wife, not me, LOL
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heres the deal on the coupon,not that that makes a difference,remember they said they would honor it before i had them cut the ply.
hd has some 20% off coupons that they issue to employees for them to use,well 2 things happen one the employees sell them and/or people make fake ones and sell them.yes im a crimmanal,i bought mine,i'm not a employee.
now hd won't take these unless they know you should have them,but lowes has a policy to honor competitors coupons,so here we are.all this has been going on for 3-5 yrs,i had one lowes manager tell me he didn'tcare if they were legit or not,he wanted the sale even at 20 off versus no sale,that was about 2 years ago.
that special line does less for my wife,she knows better.if a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
"lowes has a policy to honor competitors coupons"That is the partt I didn't know about.
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Im lost but he has PANACHE so the story works for me.
they and hd will honor anyones coupon that is in the same business.
just for laughs i just came from lowes ,they gave me a coupon for 10. off of 50.'now i'm no math genius but if i not mistaken i think thats 20% off,same amount they refused the other day.
if i could just find all that cut up ply from the other day at 1/2 off then flop down there 20 off it would be a sweet deal. i may have to drive to that lowes just to see:]
if a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
Edited 7/7/2008 11:37 am by alwaysoverbudget
lowes could alway say you cut it you bought it, and then if refused, have you arrested for damaging goods.
Check the coupon. Sometimes they cannot be used on specials or already discounted items.
Others are good and treated just as cash.
be cashing in
if i could just find all that cut up ply from the other day at 1/2 off then flop down there 20 off it would be a sweet deal. i may have to drive to that lowes just to see:]
Too late. rez bought it already for 10 cents on the $.
"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he can't beat you he will just kill you." Steinbeck
dime on a buck might be too much for cut up ply.
think about all the wear and tear on your blades that you saved
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no comment
Local Lowes has 6 5 gal buckets of Black Jack roofing tar for $1 each.Been there for a while. Looking at the shape of the cans they might just take $1 for the 6..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Reminds me of a time in FL when I got a deal on some at a RR freight depot. Looked like the pallet had tipped over and been righted. Several buckets were leaking over from broken seals at lids, and half the buckets were bent a bit. 2/3s of them had the nasty stuff on the outside.This was back when it was costing me 5-6 per five gallon can. I got the whole pallet for $2
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"lowes has a policy to honor competitors coupons"That is the partt I didn't know about. I can hear your Scanner/printer revving up from here!
Lowe's also has a policy of matching competitors prices and giving you 10%.
My new favorites are the big new red "Ask Me" buttons they all have to wear. Guess all the gal running the registers need a date.
sorry, just to clarify:You brought in a Home Depot 20% off coupon, for use at HD by HD employees only?This is what I envision:Cashier you show the coupon to looks at it real quick, says "sure", we will honor competitor's coupon. When you go to check out and the manager gets involved he realizes that it is an employee coupon and refuses to honor it. Sounds like the right thing to do. HD was offering a benefit to its employee's, not a coupon to the public. Lowe's wasn't offering to match employee benefits and promotions. What you are describing as a coupon is not actually a coupon like everyone thinks of it. It is a benefit offered to Home Depot employees.So, Lowe's 1, you 0.However, you make somewhat of a valid point in stating that the store should have honored what was promised by one of its employees. The real WTF with Lowe's is that at the point you started walking out the store the manager should have stopped you and either given it to you for 20% (or maybe met you in the middle), not because of the "coupon", but because the ply had been cut and he is definitely losing money by letting you walk out the door.Lowe's 1, you 1.Funny, looks like both you and the store manager stood your ground on your principles and both ended up losing.
well lets start at the top. lowes,hd and most retail stores have a policy of accepting competitors coupons. lowes does, i have a hd coupon at 20% off,their policy is to take it,but they have lately hesitated at this particular lowes. the other lowes i have had the manager tell me" if i can't take 20% off and still make money somethings wrong,plus i don't want you spending money at hd" but i wasn't at that store that day.
i knew what i was buying and if there was a problem it was really a problem with a bunch of cut wood. so i ask a employee . now i'm not sure how you look at it but unfortunately a employee represents your company,so when i ask a employee a question i don't feel i need to call a manager to reinforce his answer,other wise the whole store only needs one person in it,the manager,that way every answer is his.
i agree completely that before i walked someone needed to say uncle. in hindsight i think what probably should of been done is,i had about 600. worth of misc merchandise,put it back, give me the 20 off on the ply and tell me they don't take these coupons anymore,but he wouldn't budge ,neither did i.
last i knew lowes stock had not went down due to this loss. lol
and my conscience is doing pretty well also. larryif a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
I'm not going to try to say who was right on this deal. I would never be able to figure that out without being there, maybe not even then. I just think having all that wood cut up and then to not have it go out of the store could have been handled better between the two of you. I don't know who should have blinked first.
Our local HD is struggling to make a profit. It is a small store in a small community. I often see themselves shoot themselves in the foot with their management decisions.
They will take up retail shelf space for months with $200 worth of returned merchandise, space that could otherwise have been used to move thousands worth of sales in that time. I think they are more focused on preventing some poor guy from making a $50 deal off of their clearance area than they are on getting rid of the junk and selling something that will move.
In the same vein, they no longer offer cutoffs at a reduced rate. First, they started charging way too much. Then, they stopped offering them at all.
I think the management valued the cutoffs and returns at the maximum value that a hard-working customer could get by buying them. I think this type of customer works hard to make that cutoff and that returned item profitable. In other words, the manager wanted to capitalize on the ingenuity, resourcefulness, and hard work of the customer to make a buck when they should have just let go and gone on to other things. But I think that is a management problem. Such policies certainly do not create loyal customers. The guy who comes in and finds a deal will be doing it elsewhere.
Only problem with your scenario is....Cheapo does not give their employees a discount but Blowes gives 10%.
"They are not the same store as Lowes."Hmm...as far as I can tell, one is orange, one is blue. Otherwise they *are* the same store. ;o)
Larry did you ever see the movie Casino?http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4144142336/tt0112641In that movie Robert De Niro would walk into the Casino smoking a cigarette carrying a roll of cash and every employee he would meet, he would slip them a $50 or maybe even a $100, and then he would get really good service.They would even call him "sir" (on the other hand maybe it had something to do with the gun he carried)You might want to start doing that at both Lowes and Home Depot and see if the employees get an attitude adjustment and maybe they would actually do their job and provide decent customer service.Try it and let us know how it works.:)
what are suggesting the 50 dollar bill or the gun.lol
now theres a solution to bad customer service,walk in with a 44,that will get everyones attention. if a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
I think that was Goodfellas?
It was Casino Here is another scene from the movie where deniro and peschi are talking about a guest who is cheating at blackjack (if memory serves)anyway, they invite the guest into a back room of the casino and teach him a lesson about honesty and fair play by hitting him with a baseball bat.I really enjoyed the movie and gave it two thumbs upby the way I thought good fellas was an excellent movie also and gave it two thumbs up
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I doubt Larry is going to slip fifty's to the Lowes store clerks for that 'extra' service.
Next thing you know Lowes will be in the paper for prostitution.
lol
Always....
When something like that happens at a big box store, the "new hires" usually circle like buzzards for a chance to buy it at 10-15%.... The local Lowes' tool department NEVER has good clearance or closeout deals...those working the department get the deals and either keep it or Ebay it...
During a "Re-Set of battery powered drills", the demo wall models were placed in a shopping cart and a sign "Drills $10". A Lowes employee grabbed 9 of them and carried them off before any customers got to the basket... I heard later that the employee was given a written reprimand and nearly lost his job.
I was at Home Depot one morning about 2 weeks after they Restarted selling their culled lumber instead of hauling it to a landfill. To one side was a flat cart stacked with 4 full sheets of 3/4" Birch ply that had been cut into 24" width but returned. By the time I asked about them and pushed them up to the checkout counter so one of the Managers would take responsibility for the markdown, each ripped section was sold for .51 cents each... Managers have their good side, too. Trying to find it gets a Win/Win situation.... ;>)
(A single circling Buzzard),
Bill
i think the employees get all the best pickings here too. never really any great deals on the shelfs except maybe some vanity's and stuff like that.
a guy was in there today [customer]and brought in homemade bread for the break room,guess he does it all the time,maybe he's the one getting all the deals?if a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
heh ya, I always wondered about what really goes on behind the scenes as sometimes the deals and lack of them get funny.
Got to learn which managers to talk to. Some are so tight I'm thinking they'd rather see the items go to the dumpster than sell at discount.
Others just say ya, get this stuff outta here so we have some room to move around in.
Years ago Lowes had Jet stationary tools. They did a reset and replaced them with Jet's short lived Homeline series, which I think was a Lowes exclusive. A year or less later they dropped the Homeline for Delta.Anyway since this was a Jet to Jet change all of the boxed products went back to Jet. But the display's where being sold off at about 1/3 of normal. Corporate set the prices, but apprarantly the prices where not given to the local stores until the Jet rep did the reset. And they often did not get the word.The details on all of this was being circulated on the net. Including the name and number of the person at corporate that set the prices.At the time Lowes was no in KC. But they had a store in Topeka, St Joe, and Columbia.Called the first 2 stores and they never had the Jet bandsaws.Columbia store had one. But had not been reset. Tool manager told me that the reset was next week. Called on that day and it was delayed anotheer day. Called back 2 days later and they had the reset. Asked the price of the BS. No change.Told them what it should be. Tool manager said that he would find out. Told him that he could confirm it with corporate.Later that day the store manager called me back. He was polite, but you could tell that he was thinking that I was either crazy or stuppid or both. Said that there was not way that he could sell the saw for that price. That it was below his cost. But he shot me a good price, but not good enough. Asked if he had talked to corporate. He said that they ahd not called back.later that afternoon his called back and appolgized after getting the call from corporate.Told them to hold the saw for me for 2 days.When I went to pick it up they told me that one of the tool department employees had wanted it and would have had it the next day if I did not show..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
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Hey Bill,
You got me thinking....I have access to the Lowes system and can check the stock level of any item at any lowes in the country. Wonder if I could use that power for good.
You guys are really right about the employees wanting first crack at everything. Seems that it is against policy but is never enforced. when asked to take down alight for an employee I give them the screwdrive and tell them to hike thier asses up the ladder and get it down themselves.
Im thinking of using my knowledge for the greater good...heh...heh...heh..
Those Milwaukee sawzall blades were a good deal but I arrived after the party.
Only Milwaukee stuff left were two handheld electrical metal shears on a discount table but only dropped like $20.
I figured if priced at $50 I'd buy one just to have it for that future moment when it'd be nice to have.
A friend of mine that I was finishing a basement for used to know a vendors rep at HD.She was trying to pickup a shower stall kit. First it took up a 30 minutes to get a OAK (orage apron KID). He did not know where the model was that we where looking for. Did not know what all of the units on the upper shelves where. Did not know when they would be getting any others in.So we left. She called her friend and found that he would be working at the Indy store latter that week.I met him there. He supplied garage doors, but understood the plumbing department. All of those unit on the 2nd level where defective or returns. Often one that parts had been stolen from.He used the computer to find a store that had that model. Then called the department manager and had them pull one, check that it was complete and set it aside for me..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Larry, I'm thinking about pulling my 1968 rheem 60% efficiency furnace, 120,000 BTU, and installing a new one myself.It's been a good one and I feel I've gotten my money's worth out of it but I think I'll go with something a little bit more efficient.I'm willing to spend $300 to $400 on a brand new one - 80% efficiency - that I will install myself.Am I even in the ballpark looking for something nice at that price?Where would you go to find one?
it's going to be pretty tough finding a new one for that price.you could find a good used one on ebay for 300 but a new one is going to be around 400-600 plus shipping.ebay is where i buy my heating and air stuff and so far it's went pretty well.
as far as installing it yourself i would wait until mid sept-oct because all of your new ones are much shorter than the oldies,so you will probably need some sheet metal work done and that can take a couple days,you don't want to be without air right now. is it a upflow or downflow? that can make a difference in the metal work. larryif a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
Larry, I have a down flow furnace.the return air is in the attic and the supply duct is in the crawl spaceToday I went to a heating and a/c business and told them I wanted a furnaceI have a 120,000 BTU but apparently I can get by ? with a 75,000 BTU here in my 1,250 ft McMansion Anyway, they told me to get lost and that they can only sell to licensed contractorsI said okayI asked around and got a guy's name and called him.He says he has a new furnace for $425 and an A Coil for $175My eyes lit up and I told him I'm intersted.My problem is my house is for sale and it will only cool off to 80 degrees on these hot days.So I really need to do something NOWThe outside a/c is running 24 hours a day.I took the top off and cleaned it from the inside out. Even though it looked really clean, I got cotton out of the coils.I don't even want to think about my electric bill.
i'm going to back up on you a little bit.
i know you hada new condenseing unit put in last year. what size?
next you had someone come look at it this year ,what was his thought?
now with a downflow ,if the acoil is stopped up and dirty it's pretty easy to clean,has this been checked to see if it's clean?the can get a lot of dirt built up on them cause nobody can readily get to them.
i thought a 120 sounded pretty big for your house,75 is on the low side 100 is plenty big so you can pick your poision,i have pretty good luck with being on the small size for heat,on the air side i want to be on the big side.
hows the insulation?i know your selling so if your at 6 in the attic you might get it blown deeper andhave a selling point and get cool.i just got a quote of 60 cents a foot for 8"thick.
if you have a downflow you will get involved with needing a metal box made for the bottom to get tall enough.sometimes you can leave your old a coil box and then set a new a coil box and furnace and end up about right. also if you change your a coil your going to need charged for the air. i hate to say it ,cause i'm all for digging in but this is starting to get a little complicated................
if you found a guy to sell to you,your over that hurdle,thats why i have to buy off ebay. larry if a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
You're right Larry I'm bouncing around and really haven't determined that a new furnace would even do anything to correct this situation.Here's where I'm at.A year ago I had a new outside unit installed.It's 2 and a half ton and 13 SEERIt has R-22 RefrigerantThe old unit that got replaced was a 2 and a half ton Rheem that was 20 years old.A year ago I did not replace the A CoilSo, I'm guessing the A Coil I have is 20 or 21 years old.The small copper line from the A Coil is only 1/4 dia and it's smaller than what they're doing now a daysMy problem may just be the old A Coil.I don't know.About three weeks ago the installer came over and checked the pressures and said they were low and he added some freon.He's coming back over tomorrow to look at things and give his opinion.I really don't know what I'm going to do at this point but it's my understanding they would have to take out the entire furnace to replace the A Coil onlyIf we're going that far, I would rather just replace everything.Today I crawled under the house and made diagram of my entire ductwork system.I have two air supply plenums which measure 8 X 10 I have six inch dia duct sheetmetal duct that feeds to each register.I have one return air register in my hallway.I was tempted to close off the return air and run a new one that would NOT go through my attic space. It's so hot up there it's incredible. But I'm probably going to hold off on that.One other thing.A year ago I put on my new roof.I went from white shingles to dark and the new roof is so much hotter.Even though I installed five roof vents last year. This house had never had any roof vents.they don't seem to be helping that much.If any of this makes any sense and if you have any suggestions let me know.Edited 7/24/2008 11:19 pm by mrfixitusa
Edited 7/24/2008 11:20 pm by mrfixitusa
well first i'm not big on "oh your a coil is 20 years old you need a new one" if it doesn't have a leak ,whats to go bad? the only thing that makes the new ones more efficent is they are bigger,so there is more area for the air to blow thru and cool. the 1/4 line sounds smaller than most,3/8 is common,but that is the high pressure side so your talking 250 psi going thru that. it will flow thru a 1/4,thats only 1/8"smaller than new ones.
i'm still thinking you need to check the a coil for dirt on the side the air blows thru.
if you want to play with the return open the panel up where the blower is,tape open the saftey switch and see if the house cools.it will be getting all the air it can handle at that point.
see what the guy comes up with on pressure,if it is low you have a leak somewhere and it can be at the new unit [i have had that 2 times] along the line's or the a coil. if you open up the a coil box to see if it's dirty look at it real well for oily places,thats a sure sign of leakage.
you are right on a downflow you have to pull the furnace out of the way to replace the a coil and case,but if you find a coil that fits in the case you don't have to disturb the furnace. larryif a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
How'd you get the condenser switched out for a 13 SEER and not the coil at the same time?
I've been told that is "less than kosher."
I guess I was just lucky?LoL, I don't know.Whatever I did was wrong(can I put that in a tagline?)
You are like the BILLY JACK of the big box stores.
Fighting injustice where ever you see it.
Kicking there askk.
I cant wait for the movie to come out.
Who do you think would do a good job playing alwaysover budjet????.
Clint and deniro are too old me thinks, Woody Allen is not macho enough, Howsbout Will Smith he can add a good rap?????.
We need a hot chick for the checkout clerk that falls for you after you kick the manager upside the head.
jessica simpson????.
>G<
he tells me no way were not taking this hd coupon.
American management at its best -
Let's see, given the choice between taking 20% off of a purchase or taking the whole thing as a loss.....oh, yeah, I vote for the loss!
if the mangerment was on his toes, he make you pay for the cuts anyway
You're so right! When I worked at HD, I believe the first 3 cuts were free, then there was a charge for each additional.
Blind-cutting was free. I lost track of how many wasted hours I spent at that machine, away from my own department, trying to get orders cut!
heh heh The girl working blinds at the Lowes tells me these horror stories about people returning wanting the blinds cut a tad shorter 'cause they at first gave exact widths with no room for movement.
Not too pleasent of a job.
I think that's generally the policy. I've gotten stuff cut there dozens of times, and probably only been charged once. Usually the associates don't want to bother filling out the little paper for $0.50 a cut.
Most of the time, I find the sheet cutter to be pretty helpful. Although once when I was at Lowes, the thing was so darn out of alignment that the cut veered about 2" across a 48" cut. After they cut it I said "No thanks".
thats smart! i bet u feel bad to
I've been following this thread and withholding my judgment. After all, I have tried to milk as much out of any coupon deal as the next guy.
Bottom line: You went in knowing that you had a coupon that did not really apply. Maybe you should have asked for a manager in the first place.
Maybe I would have tried the trick too just to see if it worked. I have made similar explorations, sometimes being pleased at the results and sometimes finding out that I was wrong.
Back to the main problem: But... Once they cut the wood, I would just have accepted the results and paid the full price. No harm no foul. You were the one with the most knowledge of the situation when you went into the store.
You would not be wrong to say that your were right based on what the employee told you. OTH, I have sometimes been given information by an employee that was later not approved by the management because the employee got it wrong. In those cases, I just accept the verdict and move on. Life is too short to worry about small stuff.
Wasting all that wood is bad for the store and bad for your conscience. It's like stealing from the government. All the rest of the country pays for it, and you are a part of them.
I guess the fact that you were willing to drive to HD and pay more than you would have paid at Lowe's anyway and still feel good about it is the hardest thing for me to understand.
Has the question of why the OP didn't use the coupon at HD been answered?
I think it was not a coupon that was valid for him as a customer, if I got it right.