I’m such a bonehead, I was fastening my laminate vanity top to the cabinet, and although I measured and used a screw that was short enough to not go through the laminate, I didn’t dill my pilot hole deep enough and the screw pushed a dimple up through the surface.
I have a dime sized dimple that has cracks in it. The cracks go through the laminate.
My options are:
1. Replace the top $250.00
2. Wait until water seeps through the cracks and expands the particle board and wrecks the top, then replace it.
3. Try to repair it and hope that I never have to face option two.
Any suggestions?
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Electricity is made by GREENIES.
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1. Replace the top $250.00
It belongs to DW right?
Tim
buy a big candle to set on top of it.2+3=7
Depends. Some laminate colors can be repaired with lam-in-a-tube. It's some sort of putty that dries hard and exactly matches the lam color. Talk to the supplier.
Andy Engel
Senior editor, Fine Woodworking magazine
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
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None of this matters in geological time.
Can you get a c-clamp on the spot. If so, maybe some waterproof glue, a good clamping overnight, and a surface cleanup tomorrow.
Might be worth $250 to give it a shot.
Bos'n -
I used to help building and installing laminate tops. The tube stuff works somewhat, depending on the particular manufacturer and the color itself. If it's a solid color, you can usually see the scar. A multicolor, like a marble, you might be able to disguise it a little better.
I suspect this is near the front, and a dime sized set of cracks (with a bump too) is likely never going to be right. Every time you look at it, you will see it (and over time any repair will standout more.) Every time you polish or clean it, you'll think you feel it.
I would bite the bullet and go back for a new one.
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
put another sheet of plastic laminate over the old sheet.
First score the damaged top good with 60 grit in a belt sander, then contact cement the new sheet onto the old.
Get your router out and inlay a nice piece of hardwood, or a strip of accent tile, and tell everybody that's what you were up to all along.
The heck, you say?
I saw someone do that with a laminate kitchen counter top once. Someone had set a hot pan down and melted the laminate. So he routed out an area for four ceramic tiles in a square and created a place to set hot cookware. I thought it was pretty clever.
I've done the inlays myself as a design accent, I agree it can look really good, and it does give you a place for hot pans.The heck, you say?
Lets see...
If DW is Dear wife, then yes and no. I'm the craftsman and stickler for perfection, she's the cheap one. Even so, neither one of us want's to wait for a new piece to be made and neither of us want to buy the dang thing either.
Can't just glue a new piece on top, it's a half-round, manufactured edge.
It is a dark brown picture of granite with a glossy, textured finish. Fools a lot of people into thinking I spent the cash for granite.
I thought about using a forstner bit to make a counterbore to set a coin in. We like the Caribbean, so maybe a Cayman Islands coin from this year to date the job. Epoxy would set it and waterproof the top. And the bad spot is at the outside corner where one would do such a thing. I not sold on this idea, nor is my wife, but it is starting to sound promising.
There are no electrons! It is all made up. Don't believe it.
Electricity is made by GREENIES.
Edited 11/14/2005 8:08 pm by bosn
That is exactly what i would do! Only I would use a jamaican coin, they have a lot of cool looking coins. I just rooted trrough my desk and pulled out a "One Dollar jamaican coin. it is about the size of a dime and is hexagonal.
I say go for it! Put a matching coin on the other corner!" If I were a carpenter"
Only I would use a jamaican coin>>>>>>>>>Personally, I'd use the Jamaican leaf and poly over it <W>.
Be Kaya now
andyThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
That is a Ire idea man. Go fo it.
Lataa
Mark,Where will he find a hexagonal Forstner bit? I second Workshop Jon's suggestion, if a clamp will reach. If it is back a foot, spend the $250 on the baddest clamp in your neighborhood, and you're still ahead!Bill
Or, forgo clamp buy, set your anvil on it for a day.
Long time ago drilled a wrong hole in 2 of the teak kitch cabinet doors, teak was pricey even then, not to mention the labor of making the doors. Did the inlay type thingy with a walnut inlay, got nothing but compliments until told people why that effect, and showed them the back of the door.
Flip side, had nice walnut verneer table top (unfortunately was on 1-1/2" thick hdf core) that had been damaged in one spot, used it for a coffee table top for DIL, did a heart (ugh, but she likes them) inlay over the damage . Polyurethane buffed finish. 15 years later, small differential expansion gap developed with corresponding crack in the poly, grandkids spilled juice on table not seen till next AM, hdf expanded and made a real mess of the top.
Moral of story from experience, glue it down and try to seal it for awhile, then when that swells to a 25 cent piece size, do an inlay of a quarter! That will be at least another 5 years from now -- after that, do the hotplate inlay thingy. Now you are at year 2020, and DW will want a different countertop decor by then anyway - wait to replace it then and then only.
BTW bosn, betcha your DW aint as cheap as mine, and she's a long way behind me on cheap. <G>
Edited 11/14/2005 11:09 pm ET by junkhound
I couldn't sell the coin idea. My DPW has decided that we will get a new vanity top. She remembered the actual price (I was guessing) . It was only about $150.
Still, I don't want to buy a new one. I'm not opposed to having a new top, I just know that I will keep the old one for several years in my too-small shop waiting for a place to use it....it's five feet long and the dimple is 6" from one end.There are no electrons! It is all made up. Don't believe it.
Electricity is made by GREENIES.
I would try and pull the screw out and clamp it or tap it with a finish hammer. If it is a faux granite look it may just disappear.
My DPW has decided that we will get a new vanity top
I win . <G> In the end its belongs to her and should be her decision. You could make the decision but she might hold it against you silently . You would never know until later years when she decided to use it . Id take the ammo away now . Below is what I thought she would think.
You do all this work for other women making them happy. You didnt think enough of me to do my job right. On other jobs you are finicky about apearance but you left me with this ?????????? Where was all that pride in your work when you did my job?
I would not go there .
Tim
Man when you put it like that you better change that thing out now.
Good day Jeff
Dont they normally get around to saying those things?
If this was for a customer we wouldnt be having this conversation would we?
So for the one chance mebbe DW has to get a new kitchen ,.......
All I know is not here . Not in this house. <G> I hear it enough already not to put her in second chair violin.
Tim
Edited 11/15/2005 11:33 am by Mooney
"You do all this work for other women making them happy. You didnt think enough of me to do my job right. On other jobs you are finicky about apearance but you left me with this ?????????? Where was all that pride in your work when you did my job? "
Or she could be thinking:
"It took 10 years of nagging for him to finally do the d__n thing. I am so relieved not to have that ugly plywood countertop anymore. Hmmmm, that color isn't quite what I thought it would be. We need a new counter. And since inertia has him doing it, we need the counter now, or I'll be living with this color for another 10 years. How can I work this? Oh right, that nearly invisible dimple he's been stressing over. Oh Honey, I hate that dimple. I thought I could live with it, but we need to replace the vanity top"
whats wrong with plywood counters??? I spent a long time making these for DW.....The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
;)
So Andy, there is your sub-z.
I would never let it stand in the middle of the room like that, I get goosebumps just looking.
actually that "was" a sub Z wannabe...It "was" a GE.Its dead. Never really worked which is why they left it here. Pretty much everything they left didn't work.
Now we have a Sub Z...brand new and I HATE IT! Oh well. It'll look good thay we have it when we go to sell one day.Its a horrible design for 5G's.DW just HAD to have it.
Be a GE any day
andyThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
What is there to hate about a sub-z?
Yeah the price is a bit steep but I thought you said you paid 3G, did she change her mind?
Who said appliances have to be practical, look at those thousand $ Miele vacuum cleaners that break down at least once a year. Like my Eureka better.
What is there to hate about a sub-z?>>>>>>>>>>I said 5 G's. First of all its very generic inside. Zero bells or whistles. What is most annoying to me are the pull out doors for fruits and veggies. The main door has to be "completly" open for them to pull out. they should have made them split drawers at least so the things I pull out most often can be gotten to by only opening the main door part way.
The freezer below is way to small. The light goes on when you pull out the top drawer but when you close it to see whats in ther bottom drawer which is where you actually need the light more...the light goes out.
Forget about installing the ice maker. That'd take up a good 1/4 of the whole thing.
I wanna sell this house just so I don't have to look at that thing.
DW says she loves it but she's lying...I know it.
Actually I have cabinetry over the door so it looks built in which looks fantastic but most any fridge can have that done to it with a kit.
What about it thats worth 5G's is beyond me other than the name.
Now the Viking 6 burner gas stove that came with the house I like...the ignitors don't work and Viking only sells parts to appliance A-holes (I can't stand them) !!! The appliance guys want $150 per ignitor. A THOUSAND DOLLARS !!!???? What a rip. I've already taken it apart half a dozen times or more trying to fix them but they need replacing. Each one takes about five minutes or less. These expensive appliances are like owning a Jaguar where the tune up is $800 without parts.
Maybe who ever looks to buy this dump will be in awe of the name.
Bad Feng Shui. Its sooooooo annoying. Maybe I'll loose more weight..lol.
Be starved
andy
PS...If snyone knows where they'll sell me parts for my old Viking, I'd appreciate it. Right now we use a lighter.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
Now I know why.
First off, you got the wrong model, the fridge not DW.
The side-by-side Sub-Z does have split draws so you don't have to open the door fully to open the draw. The ice- maker takes up only one shelf of the freezer so there are still enough shelves left for all the goodies. The light thing in the bottom freezer of the model that you have is real dumb though.
Sometimes you have to go through a purchase like this so that you can say you didn't miss anything. Your Jaguar analogy is exactly what I had in mind.
Re the Viking ignitor, have you try searching the net? Some sites show you the pictures of the parts and remember I told you about a Sub-Z condensing coil cooling fan I bought for more than $100 and I found out later that other makes use the same fan and I could have had it for a little more than $20 if I had bought it under a different brand.
If you can't find it, stay with the lighter.
Good luck.
Yeh...I was all over the net...Forget it. Lighter is fine.
I think its called sub zero cause thats what you have left after you pay for it...LOL
andyThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
Andy, I use one of those long lighters too.But something to consider would be salvaging the ignitors out of old propane barbeques.Or just buying new ones made for that.
Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
But something to consider would be salvaging the ignitors out of old propane barbeques.Or just buying new ones made for that.>>>>>>>Vega...I mean Luka,
It has to be an exact fit and NO ONE will sell me the part.I called every company on the internet. Must be a secret club.
The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
Dangit. I wish I lived closer. I'd bet almost anything that given time, I could have them fixed and working without having to know the secret handshake with Viking.
Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. >>>>>Thats cause people forget that we're all just Bozo's on the bus......once you "know" that...then you've won all battles. Think about that. Its true! Works fer this Bozo.
Be Bozo....nahhhhh, Clarabell
andyzobell DasThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
My wife wants to marry you now,,ya dick
Just when i getthe house almost done..sure.
Lost aversion, just lost, we write cuz the drums are too cold to slap..be getting the giggity with both hands..knock it, you'll like it....I hate you ya know?
I think I am listening to 'Seal",,,or Raoul Midon, eitherway, "Point of view" is way heady for a day like this..
Check that e-veil, I promise to pester Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
HOW ABOUT THAT REZ GUY? UH HUH? ...He ain't Silesien I bet....wimp
" Nie dajê siê olĹ“niæ statkami parowymi i kolejÂą ÂżelaznÂą. Wszystko to nie jest cywilizacjÂą. - Francois Chateaubriand (1768 - 1848) "
Raoul Midon>>>>Yeh, real good dude. Saw him on TV. Never knew he was blind. Doesn't sound blind....geezzzz.
Wanna know the worlds worst name for a band.......I keep hearing it and wanna shoot the radio. don't know why I hate it sooooooo much.
"My Morning Jacket".echhhhhhh. I know Iknow...they're from Kentucky, no offensive intended. What a gay name!!! I think I'd like,
"My Barbara Striesand Jacket" better...or "My Morning jacko-f" LOL
PS...Hope you hate me for the reason I think!! You cool or what? Or am I gonna have to get Grant to make you a copper lightening rod hat?I'm still writtin' away...I'd send it to ya but I really need to keep goin' on it...stupidsticous I think...its all about the momentum. Just keep writing no matter what.
Heard Neil youg say the same thing last week...was advice from his daddy.
Did ya know his grandpappy was from down south.then they moved up to Canada?Maybe you should have DW mixin' the cee-ment on Sunday morning and you cruise up here with Gunner. He'll be here Monday morning and leaving Wednesday morning! Kentucky Blue??? Hmmm.
Be....just friggin Be
anbeThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
Hey my bro.
DW's mom died last night..so I have to cool the jets a bit with what I am doing, and help her get a grip.
I'll call ya when I can get a grip on me, if at all possible.
Be 'no longer 80 ish'.. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
HOW ABOUT THAT REZ GUY? UH HUH? ...He ain't Silesien I bet....wimp
" Nie dajê siê olĹ“niæ statkami parowymi i kolejÂą ÂżelaznÂą. Wszystko to nie jest cywilizacjÂą. - Francois Chateaubriand (1768 - 1848) "
try here for Viking parts: http://www.repairclinic.com
I already checked them and they even sent me to someone else who couldn't help either. Viking won't sell to anyone but licensed appliance guys. Its so lame! you'd think these guys have medical licenses between always getting paid for estimates and having the handle on all prescriptions/parts.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
You can cut the end off at the dimple, Try to remove the laminate on the
scrap peice, use a iron to heat it as you pull up on it. Then use the
salvaged laminate to cap the cut end.
It would look better if you recut the end, cut about 1/2" off the end
on a tablesaw,with the blade height set just under the laminate.Then install the end cap. Hope this makes sense!
At least that way your new shop table wont bug you so much.<G>
Rob Teed
Dream Builders
Bath,Mi
I did a similar faux pas on one of my first solo kitchen jobs. Money was the object then so I decided to inlay a $25.00 marble pastry slab to hide my mistake. The HO had no clue why I was upgrading but she loved the idea and look. It was removable for cleaning and ended up looking intentional rather than incidental...
BOSN,
Water thin cynoacrylate followed by a wipe with acetone. If you don't like the current dimple, clamp in overnight with a piece of teflon over the dimple,
WSJ
Any chance of drilling it and installing an undercounter pump bottle for hand soap or lotion ? Or maybe a pedestal type magnifying mirror ?
Greg
Years ago I repaired a top that a plumber dropped a wrench on. I got a silver dollar from the homeowner. Then routed a hole for the coin to sit flush. I made up a template for the router, laquered the coin with a can of spray laquer. The homeowner resprays the coin evry so often to keep it from tarnishing. You could do something similar, doesn't have to be a coin.
mike
Do that in a bar..with superglue..bet on how many drunks lose a thumbnail trying to pick up a dime..LOL Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
HOW ABOUT THAT REZ GUY? UH HUH? ...He ain't Silesien I bet....wimp
Do that in a bar..with superglue..bet on how many drunks lose a thumbnail trying to pick up a dime..LOL
Are you like the guy who got bounced on the comedy tour and resemble that remark? <G> Couldnt resist it .
Tim
Nope, I grew up in a yankee bar, mom was the tender..I flipped a dime into a shot glass for money on call, at 8 yrs old. I also hoodwinked a many few pool sharks, cuz at that time, i was short.
I did dishes in the back and betted drunks on every imaginal bet that could be thought of..and got to sweep the floor on SAt and Sun ams and keep the findings..I made a bunch of money..more'n mom made in tips some nights.
I had a wedding ring about size 8 I found and passed a genuine silver dollar thru it..at 9 yo..the bar bet was 100.00, 21 patrons partook..mom came home and got me a new hampster cage..I wadn't quite impressed by that, but we had food on the table.
Lemme email ya. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
HOW ABOUT THAT REZ GUY? UH HUH? ...He ain't Silesien I bet....wimp
You should write a book man... you've got some good stories in your history.
As a fellow follower of reminders of our misspent and misapplied beginnings..I have a written legacy , I musta been sober enough at the time...yrs. of journals, songs, poetry, and bull.
This ain't no friends of billw here, and I really dont need any accoutremonts of the favorite program du jour.
I'd rather just spell it out, I am pissed, I am conforming to my predisposed disposition ( look at that)..AKA known as being dealing with your feeelings, I vent, I engage, I deal and go away in my mind..I vent, I alter y place biologically when it hurts too bad.
When the bio gives up, so do I..short time.
So the book? When..and why? For me it is a wonderful read..for you it may be a flash in the pan..self importance, self grandition ( no spell) is pointless, but to those who love us. When we die it is something, until then, it is unfinished. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
HOW ABOUT THAT REZ GUY? UH HUH? ...He ain't Silesien I bet....wimp
Don't feel too bad. A few years back they remodeled our offices (alas, not the ones I'm in now) and the guys who do such things were assembling two large (probably 12 feet long) conference tables. They got the first one done OK, then turned the top of the second on top of the first to assemble it upside down.
Somehow one of the guys got the wrong length screw in one of the holes....
They didn't discover this, apparently, until they tried to move the top table and ripped a big chunk out of the bottom tabletop -- not just a screw hole, a two-inch-diameter divot.
(The tables were eventually replaced, presumably on their dime.)
happy?
(The tables were eventually replaced, presumably on their dime.)
Thats what is fixin to happen to him. I hate it when that happens.
Tim
This is what you do!!
-First put in shorter screw next to problem screw, so its secured were you wanted it.
-then remove problem screw
-get a clear quick drying epoxy, 5min,15min,whatever. Just not 1min as it sets up to quick.)Preferably one with the tip that mixes it for you.
- then put down a rag, squeeze as much glue up in the hole as you can, maybe use a popsicle stick to help push in there.
-then quickly put a peice of tape over the hole.(good tape, not scotch tape).
-then get a hairdryer, hard plastic putty knife and some acetone or alcohol just to clean up expoxy.
-use hairdryer and heat up spot a few inches away. Dont set it directly on it, and while it heating start pressing on dimple with putty knife. If it made a hole or crack in surface hopefully you can get some epoxy to come up thru it.
( you can press on the tape underneath the cabinet to help it come up,and if epoxy comes up just wipe off with cleaner.)
-just keep pressing with putt knife and hairdryer until flat and the epoxy is about dry.
If your plastic putty knife isn't strong enough, you can use metal just be careful not to scrach it. (also can use a butter knife, but it may get a little too hot ti handle).
And then your done in 5-15min.
Easy peasy fresh and squeezy.
In this situation, 2 options.
1) It is to use putty and hope that it will blow it and it will not fall apart due to cracks, because there are no guarantees;
2) Pay and do not think about this problem.
Of course, I don’t want to pay, but it's up to you. For mistakes, you have to pay, unfortunately.