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   wallyo | Jan 15, 2010 11:12pm | #1

   Why ITT tech what about a university that has a dergree in it.

   Wally

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   Nuke | Jan 16, 2010 10:01am | #2

   What university offers such a soft education program in Construction Management? I would find this really curious of the university in question if one finds an example.

   The whole idea behind ITT and others akin to it is that they make money offering education in subjects no university in their right mind would offer.

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   brownbagg | Jan 16, 2010 12:05pm | #3

   university of mississippi, southern mississippi, auburn, I even think university of michigan had one.

   if the school does not have an accredited degree thats honored at other schools for additional credits, its a joke. Itt and others are in business to make money not to offer a degree that worth the paper its printed on.

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   brownbagg | Jan 16, 2010 12:10pm | #4

   http://www.universities.com/edu/Bachelor_degrees_in_Construction_Management.html#

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   Nuke | Jan 26, 2010 06:49am | #11

   Suggesting that any public university or college isn't in the business of making money is absurd. While some do a better job at making it than others, they are not in the business of losing money.

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   wallyo | Jan 16, 2010 02:31pm | #5

   Boise State University in my backyard (dam good football too!)

   http://www.cm.cahs.colostate.edu/

   Colorado State University, Fort Collins, Colorado. graduate and under grad

   http://www.cm.cahs.colostate.edu/

   By the way construction management is not soft sorry to say!

   Construction Management

   2008-2009

   Course Number and Title Credits

   ENGL 101 English Composition

   ENGL 102 English Composition

   3

   3

   AREA I

   Area I core course in one field

   Area I core course in a second field

   Area I core course in any field

   3

   3

   3

   AREA II

   COMM 101 Fundamentals of Speech Communication

   ECON 202 Principles of Microeconomics

   Area II core course in any field

   3

   3

   3

   AREA III

   MATH 160 Survey of Calculus OR

   MATH 170 Calculus I

   4

   PHYS 111 General Physics OR

   PHYS 211, 211L, Physics I with Calculus and Lab

   4

   PHYS 112 General Physics OR

   PHYS 212, 212L Physics II with Calculus and Lab

   4

   ACCT 205 Introduction to Financial Accounting

   ACCT 206 Introduction to Managerial Accounting

   3

   3

   BUSSTAT 207 Statistical Techniques for Decision Making I

   3

   CE 210 Engineering Surveying and Lab

   CE 211 Engineering Surveying Lab

   CE 360 Engineering Properties of Soils

   CE 361 Engineering Properties of Soils Lab

   3

   1

   3

   1

   CMGT 141 Construction Materials and Methods

   CMGT 240 Introduction to the Management of Construction

   CMGT 245 Construction Drawings, Specifications and Codes

   CMGT 246 Construction Engineering Graphics

   CMGT 320 Construction Equipment and Methods

   CMGT 350 Mechanical and Electrical Installations

   CMGT 367 Construction Estimating

   CMGT 374 Construction Operations and Improvements

   CMGT 380 Advanced Estimating

   CMGT 385 Construction Contracts and Law

   CMGT 410 Concrete and Formwork Construction

   CMGT 417 Project Scheduling

   CMGT 420 Reinforced Concrete and Steel Construction

   CMGT 441 Construction Project Management OR

   CMGT 475 Construction Supervision Lab

   CMGT 460 Project Cost Controls

   4

   3

   3

   1

   3

   4

   3

   3

   2

   3

   3

   3

   3

   3

   3

   ENGL 202 Technical Communication OR

   BUSCOM 201 Business Communication

   3

   ENGR 205 Mechanics/Statics OR

   ENGR 210 Engineering Statics

   3

   ENGR 306 Mechanics of Materials OR

   ENGR 350 Engineering Mechanics of Materials

   3

   ENGR 360 Engineering Economy OR

   FINAN 303 Principles of Finance

   3

   GENBUS 202 The Legal Environment of Business

   1

   ITM 104 Operating Systems and Word Processing Topics AND

   ITM 105 Spreadsheet Topics

   2

   MATH 147 Precalculus

   5

   Management chosen from

   MGMT 301, MGMT 410, MGMT-ENT 320

   3

   Labor Relations course chosen from

   MGMT-HR305, MGMT-HR 330, or MGMT-HR 340

   3

   Specialty Construction elective chosen from

   CMGT 441, CMGT 470, CMGT 475, CMGT 487, CMGT 488, CMGT 493, CMGT 496, CMGT 497, CE 310, CE 340, CE 352, CE 390

   3

   Technical electives chosen from any Area III, ITM, OR College of Engineering courses

   3

   Electives to total 132

   0-6

   Total

   132

   I have taken a few courses to add to my business degree.

   Wallyo

   
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   wallyo | Jan 16, 2010 03:03pm | #6

   Nuke if that is too soft for your taste how about going this route a degree in civil Engineering with a minor in CM.

   BSU offers it as do others because CM is usually in the engineering school and both compliment each other. Go Broncos.

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   Nuke | Jan 26, 2010 06:50am | #12

   CE with a minor in CM is a great idea.

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   [email protected] | Jan 16, 2010 10:23pm | #7

   My opinion: Stay away from the private, for profit institutions. They tend to have low graduation rates, and do a really good job of managing to gear their fees and tuition to maximize thier income from all available means of student financing.

   I'm not familiar with the public higher education options in New York, but in most states they tend to be more reasonable in thier costs, and the graduation rates are higher.

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   TomT226 | Jan 17, 2010 07:40am | #8

   Look at the disclamer at the bottom: "Credits are not likely to transfer."

   That means the degree isn't recgonized by other institutons.

   Check with your local Community College for a CM path.

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   ChicagoMike | Jan 19, 2010 10:33pm | #9

   So far what I have found out is that the credits themselves will not transfer but the degree is legit and is recognized by the state. In other words, they are an accredited school.

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   boiler7904 | Jan 22, 2010 09:26pm | #10

   I wouldn't waste my time with
   I wouldn't waste my time with ITT. As others have said, they're all about making themselves money. You'll spend as much or more there than at any of the other universities offering construction degrees.

   There are too many good construction programs around the country (and the midwest specifically) to go to a school like ITT since ITT is not accredited through ACCE (American Council for Construction Education). The comment earlier about credits not transferring also has the potential to affect you should you decide you want to go to grad school since it is not an accredited degree. Here's a list of all of the ACCE programs:

   http://www.acce-hq.org/baccalaureateprograms.htm

   In Illinois, there are programs at Illinois State, Bradley, and Southern Illinois-Edwardsville.

   Purdue, Michigan State, and Milwaukee School of Engineering are all good programs that are available within a couple hour drive of the Chicago area but at the added cost of out of state tuition. On a nationwide scale, I've only heard good things about the programs at Clemson, Auburn, Cal Poly, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Brigham Young (fantastic residential program).

   If you're trying to save money in getting your degree, go to a community college and only take basic classes. Before Purdue, I went to Joliet Junior College. I got my math, english, and other gen ed crap out of the way for less than $2000 a semester instead of the $14000 a semester Purdue was for out of state residents. As a result I only needed to go to Purdue for 5 semesters and take 2 summer classes. I think they now have an agreement where some AS degrees from JJC will get you the Indiana resident tuition rates.

   I graduated from Purdue in 2004 with a BS in Building Construction Management Technology. The school of engineering also offers a Construction Management & Engineering degree. In the 5 and a half years I've been out of school, Purdue has done a lot to improve various aspects of their program and added a few specialty certificate programs that you can add to your degree.

   I don't know what your exact expectations of a program are but a construction management curriculum is not going to teach you how to build anything. It would be almost impossible to do so as often as technology, materials, methods, and equipment changes in this field. It exposes you to construction methods and materials but the main focus is to teach you how to think and make business decisions in a technical field.

   Besides the program, look at their facilities. What type of environment will you be learning in? Is it all theory or is there hands on work? For instance, In surveying classes at Purdue you take a transit or total station or whatever piece of equipment you're learning about out to an open field and actually survey, even in January - not fun when you have lab at 7:30 in the morning and it's cold and windy but that's how you get the experience. One of the more interesting assignments is to calculate the heights of buildings around campus using triangulation and a couple of defined points around campus. In another class, you use an overhead crane and build a structural steel frame in the lab. The same lab gets used to build a small wood frame building and lay masonry. A lot of universities don't have those types of facilities and can't offer that experience.

   Given today's economy, the ability to land a job at or before graduation is huge. Purdue used to be at 100% placement in the construction field when I graduated. I know it dropped but not sure how much. What does the institution do to help with placement? Do they hold career fairs? Can alumni use job placement services years down the road? What are their industry connections like?

   Student organizations at Purdue were always involved in some sort of construction management competition against other schools. I participated in the NAHB Residential Competition my junior year and where we finished a respectable 4th out of 40+ schools. I wouldn't trade that experience for anything. A week in Vegas at the International Builders Show in January during school didn't hurt either. That competition put everyone from our team in direct contact with the heads of all of the big builders at a career fair with the seniors each getting 4 or 5 job offers out of that one fair.

   Whatever path you choose to take, you will only get out of the program what you put into it. Good luck with your decision and let us know what you decide.

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   Mike_Mills | Jan 26, 2010 03:22pm | #13

   Using that Universities.com web site, I found genuine Bacalaureate Degree offered by Clarkson University (Potsdam, NY), Brooklyn Poly, SUNY Farmingdale and Pratt Institute.

   All of those are very worthy, accredited institutions, a degree from which open doors for you. ITT, meh!, not so much.