This is the view from my new jobsite, 10 miles from home.
Starting from the south and running clockwise around to the north, 180 degs. +/- . At my back as I took these there is a stand of timber that has been partially cleared to make picnic areas. My jobshack will tuck in under a large fir tree there to give some shade.
In the first picture just below dead center vertically and to the right of center and the tree is a large gabled roof structure with ridge line skylight that is the home of the famous Spruce Goose airplane.
Oregon Coast range is the backdrop.
The actual building site is designated by the flags in the foreground of some of the pics.
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Wow. Nice.
What are you building?
"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he can't beat you he will just kill you." Steinbeck
A new winery.
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"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he can't beat you he will just kill you." Steinbeck
The building really isn't much, big box.
First time for me to contract 7 digit job though. Has me plenty nervous.
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We have confidence in you. Keep us posted with pics, OK?
"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he can't beat you he will just kill you." Steinbeck
I'll stay tuned.
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Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
That is pretty country. I'm probably going to Carlton tommorow. May just swing by.
What time of day ? I have a couple of things going late morning but will on site for a good part of the afternoon. Let me know and I can arrange to meet. While you are Carlton drop by the Carlton Winemakers Studio. That was the first one I supered.
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Scrapr, I was happy to see you show up at the site and it was very nice to be able to put a face to a name. I am glad you stopped by the site. Feel free to drop in and check on progress when You are in the neighborhood.
If you are willing to act as an escort for bobbys into the land of liberals here in the valley then feel free to pick him up next time and bring him by as well. ;-)
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Nice view!
Good to be back at work?
Don't worry, big jobs are just a lot of little ones!!!
Yes it is good to be back at work. I resisted going back because I wanted to do another winery and I knew if I picked up something else I wouldn't be able to get in line for one. Ran myself just about out of money doing the wait thing though. But I got most of what I wanted on this by landing a winery so i am happy. I will keep posting pics as it goes. Nothing exciting architecturally though at all. Big bx with stucco ids the plan call out.
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Some footing form photos. Different form system, the contractor generally does foundations and decided to use his form panels for the footing forms and band them together. Footing widths from 2'8" to 5' 9" , 12" to 15" in depth.
Lots of bar , engineer calc'd a minimum soils bearing rather then have a soils test done.
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How big is that building going to be?
Quite some footers there!
Just 2 stories, first story is 20' tall walls , attic truss second story.
Biggest footings (5'9" x 15") are for a 10' retaining wall.
The other large footings are sized for bearing the second story and roof loads (almost a 54' span with attic truss)
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Starting to make sense now, thanks for the pictures. I live vicariously through these and Brians!
Mistakenly opened a new thread instead of adding to this one.
you can see the pour here: http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&msg=107165.1
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No piers of the middle of the spans? why do they do teh raied foundation and not a SOG like we do down the coast.ML
These are the footings for a winery, slab on grade floor. Footings will carry the roof and second story. Trench drains etc will be installed then the footing area is filled to subgrade for concrete.
A decision was made to raise the building instead of digging footings in because of soils conditions.
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Footings for building completed.
Retaining wall still has to be extended, we were waiting for design issues to be cleared up.
I reposted a couple of the pump in action that I had previously mistakenly started a new thread with.
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good picts, hope the finacing gets straightened ouit.
No pics just the latest news. Turned in the bill for the first phase completion today . Was told that the loan for any future work has not come through, and may not. So I gave them 10 days to decide if they want to pay carrying costs for my job shack etc. or I move it out and will look for other work.
I was polite and told them I would be happy to return when they get verifiable and dedicated financing in place so as to protect my subs and myself.
I am not too concerned at this point about being paid what is due. I did ask they pay ASAP rather then wait the contractually agreed upon 3 weeks because doing so would reassure the subs and suppliers as to their intentions for the future and assuage any fears. Nice time of the year for a vacation I guess.
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Unbelieveable huh!
Given the financial institutions situation today and the fact that these people have used credit very little (being old fashioned and having paid cash as they go to date) I am not all that surprised.
Disappointed yes, also less than thrilled they didn't ell me right away about developments but am trying to look at it from their perspective of being so hopeful about what they were told. It is just life in business, I don't think they were attempting to scam anybody so, while disappointed, no hard feelings from me. I will get paid for the work to date and as of today have been paid enough to cover many of the subs and let me live for a month or so . It will all work out.
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Good luck! Hope things work out.
I'd like to see the completion of this thread.
"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he can't beat you he will just kill you." Steinbeck
So would I !! It is tough to be in this position, but I actually feel badly for the owners. All that happens to me is I look for another project, they have to retrench and change their dreams.
I am confident it will work out for everybody, just don't know the time line. The owners are committed to this , have been working towards this project for years so they are really disappointed and frustrated.
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"the loan for any future work has not come through"real sorry to read this - even if they get it straightened out, momentum is lost, continuity is sacrificed, and tension/anxiety will be all over the place when you try to pick back up - as a personal opinion, these guys are on the wrong side of the curve with wine - 15 years ago, OK, right now I believe the wine production capacity of the US will/has saturate the demand - not that that is any reason not to pursue their dreams - "Nice time of the year for a vacation I guess"well, there's still time to get to peachfest...."there's enough for everyone"
""...these guys are on the wrong side of the curve with wine - 15 years ago, OK..."" I am in agreement with you on that one. About the only saving grace here is that the local Pinot Noir have gained such a reputation world wide that I think they will sustain themselves somewhat.
A big problem for the small local wineries is the invasion of their turf by major players from other areas. Huge $ backing up big boys. One outside group is funded by California's state retirement plan, that makes for some deep pockets when it comes to spending to succeed.
For me that also means only the biggest construction firms get looked at for the jobs. I would like to do them for another 3 years if I can , then call it quits.
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"Huge $ backing up big boys"this is kinda what happened to the NW apple industry - the outside money came in, picked a new location, planted trees by the thousands of acres and told the family farmers/co-op system of Wenatchee and Yakima valleys that they were history - and that is pretty much the case - new production and economies of scale - "there's enough for everyone"
Big companies will eventually gobble up everything of financial consequence.
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"A little 'enthusiasm' and all problems seems small!"
makes my strategy of poverty look pretty smart, eh?"there's enough for everyone"
I forgot to mention that this family has had a producing vineyard for 15 years, making wine at another facility and they have an established and year over year growing list of clientèle and sales. Each year has exceeded the sales projections they had for that year.
They are trying to grow in a controlled manner and make a family business work for them. I don't know if they can , but I certainly applaud what they are trying to do. I will take a shot in the dark on their financial situation and say that they may not be willing to encumber the family farm (currently owned F&C) with the loan and that is what the problem is. They have the equity , just may not be willing to risk it completely in today market.
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Fruit and nut production here has been a cycle of boom and busts since back into the 1890's.
Prunes, plums, apples, cherries, filberts (hazelnuts), walnuts, peaches, and berries of different types all have had there day out here. Grapes are just the latest version of the agri business cycles here. My hat is off to any of you stay with the land , I love working the land, enjoy the country life, but don't know if I would have the courage and dedication to stay when things get really tough. Family farming has got to be one of the toughest business ventures there is.
I see that the ones making the real money are the equipment suppliers and the labor managers. Small vineyard owners and wine makers do it as a labor of love IMO.
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I hope this all works out. I have been tuned in since Post #1.
BTW How does a bank pull a loan before the project is complete?
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Well pulling a loan before completion isn't the issue here so I assume you talking about the other case I mentioned.
I don't know all the details but from what I have heard the bank simply decided mid stream that the project was too great a risk given the owners financial situation so simply refused to allow any further draws on the loan. If you had a business plan or payback plan based on projected income and the income evaporates the banks don't want to risk any more than they already have.
A lot of spec builders are being caught in that vice, too far extended without sales to back up the borrowing they need to do to finish projects. Banks simply shut you off like a faucet. I think that is one reason the local lender here is waiting for SBA approval because that will underwrite 45% of the loan amount on my project. That will limit the potential loss the local bank has in the loan.
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any progress on your situation?
thinking good thoughts
I talked to the bank yesterday. I never gave upon the job happening, but for sanity sake just allowed it to take it's course and trust that it will.
Bankers words are that we are still on hold but all but the last SBA paperwork has been filed , getting closer is all I can say.
At this rate you will need snow chains to visit the next time though!
Entire summer lost before I can even get to the roofing, no amount of hustle is going to catch us up before the storms hit unless we have a really late onset of winter.
Been playing with my canoes and kayaks so all is not lost, actually been just laid back and enjoying life.
I will post "homecoming" pics when I get the word to go again.
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So August and Sept. were spent canoeing and playing while waiting for financing to actually come through. Contract finally signed and it is that time again, 5:am on the alarm clock until I get into the habit of the work day again. Oct. arrives and brings with it financing and the start of the stormy season. Comparison of the weather is evident by going back and looking at the first photo's I posted.
The tall trees in a line that stand alone were having their tops blow in 15' arcs last Saturday when I visited the site. Gonna be a nasty winter site!
1st. days back at work this week.
Extending the retaining wall footings, graded and rocked the parking area and had plumbers out to lay out sub grade plumbing. Nice day today as seen in the last pic.
Time to Rock and Roll!
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Caught your mention in another thread that this was back on. Glad to see it.What's the winery specializing in? Pinot? Syrah? Interested to hear about that, too.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Pinot. Vineyard started sometime in the early/mid 80's IIRC.
Small family owned and run operation that has been mostly bottling only a portion of their own grapes by using another winery. The balance of their grapes get sold to other wineries here.
It is one of the older ones around actually.
The "neighborhood" is one of some of the oldest and wealthiest vineyards/wineries in this area.
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Gonna have to high lift the block for the retaining walls?ML
CIP concrete on the retaining wall, ICF for the building walls. (16'-20' high)
Retaining wall starts at 10' (58' L.) drops to 5' over the next 49', 107 ft. total length. Pump trucks.
Edited 10/8/2008 2:05 pm by dovetail97128
cool, glad to see you back at work!!!!!!!!!!!
2 weeks of work here. Underground plumbing in, footing for retaining wall, wall poured, everything backfilled for final slab prep except placement of trwnch drains and final grade.
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Continuing on from previous post....
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End of week . ICF started on Wednesday about 10 am.
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Thought about your job when I read a WSJ article last night.
State of the Pinot
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122479781453564359.html
might want to show it to your owners. Make em feel better
Thanks , I will pass that on to them. Ponzi has a brand new huge facility that just went up this year. I have worked for the family.
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Lookin' gooood!!!!!
dove.... what brand are the icf's ?
keep on keepin on....
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Formtech is the brand that is being used.
One of the production facilities for them is less than 30 miles from me. http://formtechsys.com/ They are the only ones I know of that are delivered in a flat package and are assembled onsite. Easy assembly and the packing method saves ton's of storage space on site not to mention the freight savings. My first ICF experience so I am relying on a company that has been doing this for quite a few years. One of the leads on the job has worked ICF's for over 14 years.
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End of week shots. Pour scheduled for Monday morning. First lift of a 20' tall wall. Pour Monday , strip braces Wednesday , excavate for trench drains , install drains and pour slab within the following week, weather permitting.
Unfortunately the weather forecast is solid rain as far out as they forecast right now.
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If you've not seen this before, I offer my detail for doing a window in ICF that permits tapered walls inside, like those seen in the thick stone walls of a church or monastery.
The windows are purchased without any jamb extender at all, which in the case of an Andersen, makes the frame about 3.5" depth.
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"A stripe is just as real as a dadgummed flower."
Gene Davis 1920-1985
I have seen that opening detail. Used it once before in a CIP concrete wall that was 10" thick before.
Here the archy has the windows draw outboard on the wall and simple wraps on the inside. This is a production facility so "trick" finishes are at a minimum.
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So the walls all got poured, braces stripped and the trench drains installed. Camera refused to work the day we poured the concrete under the trench drains so all you get are prep pics. I will try for some more pics Monday morning when we pour the 100 yd. slab. Everything is ready to go and the weather looks great for a pour, overcast and temps hitting near 60 no rain for 2 days afterward.
Stripping braces and putting trench drain in plus a little back fill was all done under heavy rains, hit hard a couple of days with over 1" a day of rain and high winds.
Managed to persevere though and stay on schedule so pour will happen and still get my ICF contractor back right on the scheduled day.
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Love the picts John, keep them coming!!!!!!!!
Be more today , pour is under way right now.
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The pour. Ended up at 94 yds. Calc'd out to 93 1/4 yds. , not bad for a slope to drains under grade. Fog until late afternoon.
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Troweling and soft cutting. Last pic was a test to see if I could see my hand in front of my face in the fog, amazing how the pic doesn't show how foggy it actually was. We were right at the top of the fog and every time the sun came out at all the fog rose up out of the valley below and we lost sight of the sun again.
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tough to see who is working.
Great looking job. It's great to see someone embracing the new technologies in building.Which block were you using?
These:http://formtechsys.com/
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Nice work.
Bet your happy to get that slab in.No Tag
Boy you have that right. Rains come back in another day so timing for the prep and pour worked out just right!! This time of year here any day without rain is a blessing for flat work . Waiting a few days before getting on it, materials delivered today , scaffolding delivered tomorrow and then the ICF sub starts the next lift. Wish I could backfill the hole but can't until the upper floor and roof are in place.
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Edited 11/19/2008 12:45 am by dovetail97128
So here are the last 2 weeks effort. ICF walls up to "top out" heights of 16' and 20' being poured. (First 12' lift was already done.) Outside piers for steel columns formed and poured.
(After discovering a 2" discrepency between archy and engineer's dimensions at 3:30 pm the day before the pour and no one in their offices , no problem , make the decision, carry on and we will find a solution if I guess wrong as to which one had the right dimension.) Water proofing partially installed, still needs protection board and more fasteners. And a couple of scene shots of fog in the valley below the site. Next up will be the trusses, probably a week at least before we get started on that work. Need the walls to set up , framer to wrap up his current job , materials to get dropped etc.
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be fun watching the truss sets go upMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Those are my greatest concern. Big trusses and a very wind prone area. When we have our usual winter weather storms they have a straight run up the valley for 40 miles to the hill top and when we get our dry north/east wind it turns out that local geology funnels the wind right down the the cleft in the hills behind the site. Up shot is we can have high winds come through at almost time.
We are going to have to be very careful when picking those big trusses.
Plan is to set the mono trusses that make the shed roof over the lower walls first then sheet that area then move out front where there is a 23' x 12' covered entry and build that so we have platforms at each end of the big roof. Sure wish this job had started back in June when it was supposed to instead of October like it did. Be praying for some nice late December weather.
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This is good stuff- watching it come together.
I am interested to see the exterior finishes...No Tag
Really nothing special there. (Unfortunately) Base panels of Hardie panel maybe 4' up then switch to Hardie board and batt then switch again at the gable ends.
Archy and owners still working on trim and details. Gable ends and some dormers gables have Nichia Shingles on them. http://www.nichiha.com/prod_shake.htm Nichia is a Hardie like product, pre-stained and comes in panels . Very nice colors and looks pretty good as far as the samples I have seen go.
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You make it up today?
looks like after Christmas for supplies
do the Wineries have pull with the Road Dept to get that plowed?
I did drive up this morning, 19 deg., several inches of snow, some drifting and a strong east wind blowing at 7:30 am. Hill Top right in front of Domaine Serene was swept clean by the wind but the drive into my site had some places with 6" on from drifting. Once there I had to thaw the lock on the job shack to get into my office.
4 wheel all the way from the valley floor, road is snow covered black ice. Going up wasn't bad, coming down was low gear in 4-wheel the whole way. Two rigs already in the ditch when I descended. Called off the work for a few days and we will see if the road gets cleared. Forecast is for more of the white stuff Wednesday and I am pretty sure they aren't getting that forecast correct in terms of accumulation so you may well be right about the Christmas delivery schedule.
I expect to see more than the 2" they are calling for. Plows aren't going to help with the ice, so sanding trucks will have to visit. I wouldn't doubt that the wineries have the ear of a few people at the county level. Lot of tax dollars tied up on that hill. Here are a few pics from the site. Nothing to see really construction wise so just shot some scenery.
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purty pictures
was that at dusk? cause that's a West view.
be careful out there.
just got a notice from HBA safety (fwd from OSHA) about slip and falls.
guy fell off a lumber truck strapping it last year. He is now dead
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we shut down today. Wasn't sure how the roads were going to be. We got 4.5 inches in Tigard. We're going to get a late start Tues and quit early
Edited 12/15/2008 9:34 pm ET by Scrapr
That was sunrise this morning. Sun starting to light the coast range hills west of the job. The red color was reflected from the east. The slips and falls are why I called work off, before the snow hit it had rained hard at the site so everything had a good coating of water to freeze up and get covered with the powder snow. Shoveling snow isn't going to do much good at reducing the slip/slide factor. Just not worth the risk since all the work has to occur 16-20' in the air. Wise move on your part shutting down early.
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beautiful picts - - would be more beautiful if they didn't reflect the inefficiencies of trying to work under poor conditions - I lament that your project isn't weathered in - hope all the principals understand, and hope no one becomes discouraged - we've accumulated 1500+ heating degree days this season - average for a heating season is ~6000 - short days and cold weather doesn't get much done around here - remain cautious - nothing's worth serious injury - "there's enough for everyone"
Actually I had a conversation with the owners last week about weather shut downs. Their attitude was that snow and freezing happens infrequently enough here we should all stay home and enjoy the weather with our families. Not a big deal to them , all I have to do is finish the job by mid summer next year. MY pressure is the cost of keeping the job open that long, overhead would eat me alive. I can handle a month if need be, but after that it will start to cost me.
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So we have been having a real unusual weather pattern here.
SNOW, MORE SNOW and YET MORE SNOW Forecast.
Town I live in apparently has been hit hardest out of all the Willamette Valley towns. I haven't tried to access the site since last Saturday. On Sat. I was up to the owners house which is down the hill from the site on the hill.
They had over 16" then and it snowed hard Sat. evening and all Sat. night. Might give it a shot today . I want to rescue my laptop computer from the job shack if I can.
Here are some pics of my yard with what measured a total of 23" of snow as of Monday morning. This is more snow than I have ever seen on the valley floor here.
No (or barely any) travel in or out of Portland up I-84, Hwys. to the coast are closed, train service shut down, bus stations in Portland and Seattle closed, major airport delays. Weather for Wednesday calls for either all rain (which will mean major floods) or 4-8" more snow. So far so good as to having power but I expect that when the rains come and we have the transition through freezing rain we will lose power.
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Wow! You are being hit hard.
I've been slowed by the snow too last week--but not too badly.
Hope you can dig out soon!
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Me Too! I love the winter weather , but this is getting a bit old.
I had a premonition about this winter and bought a used jeep cherokee 4x4 this last Nov. just because I had a hunch things were going to get rough here and access to my site would get difficult.
Haven't had it out of 4 wheel for a week now.
No real plows here so the roads are about 4" deep of packed ice/snow, chains now required on everything but 4x4 with traction tires. Side streets are deep in snow and the hills are all but impassable.
Today should give a break and a chance for sanding rigs and county/state plows to hit a lick on the major roads. I will post some pics of the site if I can make it up to it later today.
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Sounds like Wisconsin. My grandmother called me (she's 96) this evening and said they don't have anywhere to put all the snow!
Good move on the 4x4. Now you can get all 4 wheels stuck.
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The hills are what gets people out here. They just slide and slide and bonk...
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Hijack! David, I've been trying to email you, they keep getting returned... snow bounce? drop me a line, at your leisure,if you would...back to your regular programming...DT, that's why I moved south!http://www.tvwsolar.com
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Shouting the word "NOW"
And you say, "For what reason?"
And he says, "How?"
And you say, "What does this mean?"
And he screams back, "You're a cow
Give me some milk
Or else go home"
I hear you about the move south. These shots are from about 1/2 up the road to the site. I made it to the beginning of the unplowed and untraveled drive way into the site but was too about around keeping forward momentum happening to stop and take pictures.
Road surface turns to all snow covered ice just above the stretch shown last photo.
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I'm shocked you made it to the top. Maybe Monday we will get back to work. Or sandbaggingMerry Christmas
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So the snow disappeared over last weekend and we were able to get back to work on Monday.
Wind and rain replaced the 20" of snow but we were able to set the first of the trusses and take delivery to the site of the big ones ( still on the truck, 53' long 8/12 pitch with "piggy back" tops) which we will try to get set next week, weather permitting.
Also got some of the backfilling done. We used 3/4"- round washed drain rock against the building where the slabs will be because there was no way we could use the stock piled dirt from the dig due to excess moisture. I needed this backfill to have happen to allow the framers access to what will be a large (20'x53')covered work area on one end of the building.
Still need the capping rock placed on the backfill we placed but have electrical, plumbing and gas sleeves to be placed on Monday before we finish up the fill in that area.
Carps finish the week up placing columns and beams for another covered entry roof (12'x23')at the main entrance of the building as well.
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Main trusses being set.
53' long, 8/12. these will have "piggy back " tops placed on them to finish off up to the peak. Took all week to set these due to the weather. Gusts to 30 mph, pretty constant wind above 15 mph every day except Friday. Area between the 3 ply girders are for dormers.
In fill for floor are series 560 14" TJI @ 12" O.c. to make the span for the 24' attic room. Bottom chord of truss is special 14" x 1 1/2 LSL Truss Grade material.
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I don't know hoe I missed this thread in Dec.. Your snow looks like what we have and had. Of course we have plows>G<
Looking like you may get her dried in this week!!
I am thinking late this week/ early the following week. At least this week we get a weather break according to the forecast. First step is finish laying the joists/decking for the second floor , then build the gable ends that stand on that floor plus 7 Dormers to frame, and the front entry roof. Then we finish sheathing the lower main trusses.
We want to get as much framing/sheathing as possible down below the "piggy backs" before setting them so that everything is rigidly braced by the structure.
Part of the time issue this last week was each truss/girder had to be flown in separately because of crane limitations and permanent hold downs, hurricane anchors and blocking added as they were set. Just no good way to brace them off with out doing that.
Every time I build one of these places I develop a new awe of those who engineer and construct really large structures. This place, while bigger than the average house, really isn't all that big on a scale of buildings. "Catch 22" in that we can only use the ICF wall to a limited extent for a place to laterally brace off of for the trusses because the 2nd. floor diaphragm has to extend all the way to the outside of the PT plates of the ICF walls. That floor makes the shear diaphragm for the tops of the ICF walls.
No shear plane and we can't depend on the ICF to stay in place if a large load is applied to them.
Having the 2nd. floor down will also make setting the "piggy backs" a lot easier because we have it as a working platform work off of. Going slow is better than adding another war story to the thread about injurious/fatal accidents.
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On large places, like yours, we just had long 2x4's prenailed to grther and screwed blocks to the cement floor. Lot's and lot's of 2x4's. When we no longer needed them as braces to the floor, they wer used as permanent truss bracing. I bet you have a cube or two of truss bracing!
Have a unit of 2 x 4 sitting on site for bracing. I was able to use the one 53' wall to brace off of because we had installed pipe bracing used for tilt ups on it as temporary bracing for the back filling operation, a second wall (66') at the heel of the trusses was braced by having the low slope trusses in place, permanently braced and with a Simpson connector between each of those trusses and the ICF wall at 12" below the top of the ICF wall.
So we had two out of four ICF walls braced before beginning the operation. To brace the first truss which sat 8' inside the building line we used adjustable form braces I own that nail to 2x4's as the diagonal brace members. Used the anchor bolts at the top of the braced ICF wall to anchor the bottom of those braces, had them approx. every 10'.
You can see the temp. vertical brace member on the truss in the first pics, those were attached when the truss was on the ground, horizontal members were nailed between PT plate and the bottom chord once it was where it was supposed to be.
We stayed hooked to the crane for maybe an hour on that first one as everything was put in place and secured, after that it went a bit quicker. We were trying to keep the floor space clear of obstruction to facilitate the use and movement of the scissors lifts. If the crew couldn't get the lift where it needed to be they would have resorted to being "monkeys", something I didn't want to have happen.
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monkeys", Been one many times and on the big truss jobs it scared me.
Whole lot safer your way!
End of yet another week. Good weather this week with the minor problem of heavy fog frost in the mornings that we have to wait to melt off before working high. "Piggy backs" set, a lot of the roof sheathed off, dormers in place.
Also have the front covered entry gable roof framed in . Next week brings building a site built truss that is comprised of a 40' x 5 1/8" x12" GL bottom chord, 4- 24' 2x12 rafters (2 each side of 5 1/8" GL blocking). Truss will sit on yet another set of glue lams that make intermediate supports for the entire rafter run which is 34' in length. That set of GL sit on top of 14'x 5" sq. TS posts Rafters will top out into a bucket that also supports the ridge beam which is a 5 1/8" x 18" x 24' glue lam . No supporting post.
Gonna be fun figuring that one out. Can't set the ridge without the truss and can't easily support and brace the the truss without the ridge beam in place.
Good thing I have a full head of hair yet, might be losing some next week.
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End of week review. Material deliver delays meant we didn't get the truss built so that will happen next week.
Focused on some interior framing and buttoning up what we had done of the roof. Building is 90% dried in now and just in time for this weekends rain. Pics were taken Friday afternoon, roofers came back on Saturday and finished up the felt on the front side of the building.
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it just looks like a big house.... then you find the little midget wqorking on the dormer
what is the exterior finish going to be ? it may have been discussed, but i don't rememberMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I agree, it does look like a house. The attic room trusses created a room the size of most houses though. 2300 sq./ft. +/- Exterior finish as of right now: Bottom 4' will be a band of Hardie panel over 3/4 ply (to reinforce the Hardie against impact in the fork lift zone), batts every 4'
Above that the walls will be Hardie panel with batts every 16"
Then the Gable ends and dormer gables will have Nichia (sp?) Concrete shingles.
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will you anticipate any typ of solar applicathion for future use ? such as electic and plumbing
Owners have dreams/plans for future solar panels of both water and electric. Site actually is rated as excellent for wind turbine electric generation, a fact I can attest to!!
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so are they temping in a 1" line from the hwh to the roof capping it off for supply and return so when the time arrives it gets hooked up , or are they just planning on demoing walls poping through roof at installation time ?
Upstairs of building will be left unfinished when I am done. Rough plumbing for supply and waste will be in place but that is the extent of it. What happens after that is up to them.
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Just caught your thread. Great job! I have used ICf'S in the past and love them. How have your subs been? Here is an ICF I did a few years back. We used Form-a-drain, ARXX ICF's, Insul-deck for the 1st floor floors, and electric radient for the floors. Keep is posted.
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Thank You. First time with ICF for me.
ICF sub was very good. They also are closely associated with a concrete supplier so they handled everything. The rest of the subs are all guys I have worked with many times before except for the plumber, my usual plumber retired last year. I bid a job that called for for the Insul-deck but didn't get the job.
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I can say I was the 1st person to use insul-deck in USA. The manufacturer was located 1 mile from me. They since moved to Ga. It is a great product! I use it allot on front porches for a simple tornado room. Do to the span I usually do not need any shoring.
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There for a while I thought it was a large house just like Mike did.
It is lookin' good!!
yea- I just checked in and saw the last series of pics and thought
"Wait a minute- not the same place. The foundation and coming out of the ground pics the place was massive."
looks good Dovetail.No Tag
Finally got the big truss built (40', 8/12 pitch) and set today. Weather wouldn't co-operate on Monday or Tuesday,then access and crane availability set me back. But here it is being built and placed.
Perfect fit! Oops posted with the pics. see the next post.
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Different. Is there a barrel vault going there?
No.
It is an outside covered work area where the picked fruit will start the process of becoming wine. Just has 24' rafters 16" o.c. (run of 20') that run from the ridge down to the lower GLB's. Rafters mirror the top chord of the truss. Designed this way to allow fork lifts to work under the area as they pick up 4' x'4'x 3'"Totes" full of fruit and dump them into the sorting, Destemming equipment and then drops down into more totes or tanks to be carried to the "Press" to be crushed for the juice. Head room for the fork lift masts is the key to the design. Now I have to figure out a warning system for the lift drivers so they don't hit the bottom chord of the truss as they come and go from the work area.
That happened on the very first day of operation at the first winery I built. Owner jumped on a big fork lift and drove the mast right into the roof. Destroyed the gutter, fascia, Lexan roofing and 4 rafters that had been installed less than 4 days earlier.
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I see. A lot of thought in that!
This weeks pics.
Just a few, almost got the entire roof dried in before last Thursday nights rain , ran out of felt at 3:45 pm and had to leave a few sq. unfelted over night so I ended up with some water on my exposed ply. First real rain since we started the roof sheathing, amazing for us this time of year.
Managed to get a 20' x 20' portion of the exterior slab poured on Thursday (covered with the white plastic tent), A wood framed electrical room (6' x 13'sits on a small portion that portion of the slab and that is the last of the framing.
Last pic is of the floor framing of the second floor.
Dried in by Friday afternoon and moving on to the inside stuff come Monday morning. Exterior finish is still being chewed over by archy/owners.
Had a glitch last week when the engineer called me after viewing the same pics I posted here of the site built truss and had concerns about the notches in the top chord for the outriggers.
Seems he hadn't calculated the top chord members to be notched (this despite giving me a detail on exactly how and where to notch them!) so we had to scramble to come up with a fix (sister on S.S. 2x10 ea side), get the materials onsite (24' long KD 2x10 material isn't readily available from the yards here, had to do some whining, crying and begging to get it here as soon as I did) and do the work before we could finish out the roof.
Fortunately for me their is a KD operation in my home town that uses microwaves to dry the lumber and they had some we could get.
Just another day and a few more gray hairs, and raised BP points.
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thanks for the updates - I initially thought the place was going to look awkward, but with the addition of the shed roof, the proportions become pleasing - are those a couple of sad neglected apple trees in the one pict? - I'm jealous - would love to have a facility of that nature for my fruit - but there's no way - money's in grapes, not apples - glad to see it turning rain - nothing amounts to much until the roof sheds water - keep up the good work - "there's enough for everyone"
I believe they are apples though I am not sure.
Probably a wild seed though. The area around here used to be orchards of various types.
Walnuts, Fruit trees (apples, pears, plums/prunes, cherries , peaches and Filberts (Hazelnuts)were all common and popular farm crops in the hills here.
One of the earlier pics shows a still existing Filbert orchard bordering the drive into the site I believe.
Filberts and Walnuts are really the only big orchards left of any size anymore.
One of the interesting things to me as a builder is the specific barn designs for each type crop. Walnut dryers fired by wood, same with filberts, Prune dryers also had wood fired furnaces and complicated machines to move the fruit through the drying kilns. Also had "air" drying barns with unique to the crop ventilators and hoists in them.
I visited one old place that had 6 "dryers" or furnaces in it side by side, each big enough to walk into, brick lined, fruit was run through them on racks that slowly moved up via an elevator system, then racks were pulled and hand dumped onto a conveyor that carried it to a bagging room in a loft where the nuts were bagged , then bagged nuts were dropped onto another conveyor to be brought them to a huge storage barn and from there to a shipping dock. Everything run off of belts with only 3 big old electric motors powering everything through "jack shafts" and hand levers for control.
Dryers were originally wood fired and had been converted to propane at some point. Place was so big I got lost in it trying to trace the working of the machinery, had to head to the nearest window and stick my head out to see which floor I was on and approximately where in the building.
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David, I asked the owner about the fruit trees you inquired about. He tells me they are regrowth/sucker from hardy root stock of a variety of plum that is used for root stock in a numerous fruit trees (plum, apricot, peach I think is what he told me). Not truly a "wild" plum and I nor he knew the correct designation for it.
After he told me that I realized I have the same tree growing in my yard (neighborhood used to be orchard)and that it is present all over the hills around here. Small fruit, fruit clings to the pit, yellow to burgundy color when ripening, never really gets the blueish color usually associated with plums, very good to eat and prolific ( I have to use a flat wide snow shovel to clean my driveway of the mess after they drop). Since this area was a large producer of plums and prune plums for years I would guess the source is part of an old orchard on that hillside. A sure sign of spring coming here, the Filbert trees in the remaining orchards have their catkins swelling and filling out and the trees are changing from stark branches to softer more ghostly shapes covered in light green.
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we built some timber trusses out of 4x10 many years ago and had to use them at all our bolted connectionsMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
No , nothing special spec'd for that connection.
Grade 5, Galv. 5/8" bolts/washers/nuts through bolted.
The lay out of the bolts was specified though. I have had to use both "Split Ring" , "Bridge Washers" (Malleable Iron) and "Claw Plates" or "Spike Grids" on some previous projects.
I really like the malleable iron washers for exposed timber work , I think they add to the look of the project. Too many $ though. http://www.portlandbolt.com/products/washers/malleable_iron_washer.html http://www.portlandbolt.com/products/others/spikegrid.html
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What is the "eye" that is off center of the bolt hole? And the small hole on the outer portion?
Thanks for the thread, real nice work.
Well now you have me. I know the small hole it used to drive a nail/spike through so the washer can be locked in place. Some that I have used had notches around the perimeter for the same purpose but had no small hole.
I have never seen the key hole style of large hole that the picture shows. None of the ones I have used had that style hole in them. Might have to post a picture of that particular style in a "Why is it Thread" and see who here knows the answer. Be betting Notchman might.
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Roof completed. and a pic of the building as seen when driving the driveway . HVAC, Plumber, Electricians working inside now.
Trench drains to set outside before pouring slabs around the building.
Holding off siding until some details get worked out and some of the slabs get poured.
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Time for an update?
You must be nearly completed by now.
Really enjoyed the thread.
Been running my #### off lately. Not much time for photos or posting. Really not much to show, all the hidden mechanicals are in, more exterior concrete poured,drywall up and primed, painter starts today on the re-prime after drywall touch up , then on to epoxy paint. I have held off work on the exterior finish hoping for a stretch of better weather but now we will get started later this week. I will post some photos later tonite when I am at my home office.
Should be one the mid. of May, one week behind behind schedule given the six I lost due to weather related slow downs and stops.
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Misplaced my camera the other day. So here are the latest batch of photos. Not a lot to see really as most of the work is hidden, or small details that were time consuming and I didn't get photos of. Sorry that I haven't had time nor energy to create them as imbeds , I am running to low on energy to try to conquer new computer territory by the time I get home at night. Starts with the last snow we had, works it's way through more concrete pours in there completed states, septic install, drywall and a couple of other items.
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Continuing on ....
Some electric , new service, and some interior shots.
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Thanks for the update dove.
Looks like you really got walloped by the weather throughout much of this project.
I built a 3000sqft two family in 95/96 and calculated that i shoveled about 1000 cuyds of snow out of the house as I built it.
Looks like you do real nice work. You should be very proud and hopefully booked doinf work like that.
I've enjoyed the thread from the start.
Thanks.
It has been a less than pleasant winter/spring . Colder than average so far except for the last few days. One of the last photos shows the stacks of siding, trims and gable end shingles that were just delivered. starting the outside finish tomorrow. The one owner is an avid gardener and just as soon as we get something backfilled she has it filled with bulbs , place is already being surrounded with daffodils, crocus, and a few tulips (gophers here thrive on tulips so not many survive the winter). Building is being painted inside , should be done inside on Fri. Started exterior doors today , then 2 weeks of mechanicals then 1 week of epoxy floors and finish up .
Still needs process waste water system installed and the fire pond built. Hoping we can keep getting stretches of dry weather . On the final stretch here now.
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Last weeks work. Didn't manage any photos Thursday or Friday of the siding , just to busy . Dormer gables and main gables will get Nichiha fiber cement shingles, prefinished. Some electrical and HVAC stuff and some plumbing . Tanks are for process waste water. Each of the man holes has a removable filter to trap solids. Process waste water then gets pumped out to the fields via 2" line and used as irrigation water via rainbirds.
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More.. 2 of the 4 HVAC fans/ducts to purge CO2 ( A definite hazard in these buildings)
Each fan is controlled by sensors that read the CO2 levels and also can be manually switched on to provide ventilation for heating/cooling.) Air inlet is the big louver by the big overhead door. Electrical is being run in what the sparkies call a "Gutter" one large chase that allows for future expansion or remodel of the system without having to run more conduit except for the drops to outlets.
Few more pics of the process waste system.
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What an accomplishment so far! I forget if you said you're making it turn-key, installing the wine-making equipment, too?
No , actual equipment installation is owners responsibility.
(But if the past jobs are any indication I will be asked to "lend" my advice/skills.) I have responsibility to see to it that all the connective issues (Water, steam lines, electrical )are dealt with in advance. Fork lift charge station ready for charger, steam pressure washer connections in place and active, special electrical boxes for connection of pumps, press, sorting tables, destemmer etc..
Pressure tested the steam/pressure washer lines today to 2300psi. The lack of concrete and solid info is a pain. As usual with these jobs the owners are buying used so exact requirements change with the winds of whats available at what price. I have gone through 4 pump changes on the process waste water alone as the owner kept moving the location of his "drain" field. Sparkies still don't know pump HP., amperage etc, nor any information on the alarm system that accompanies it. "Build to suit" and plan for worst case loads and experiences.
I am starting to suffer the inevitable burn out and looking forward to a vacation but will move right on to a barn repair (snows collapsed a 14' x 80' shed roof wing on a pole barn and perhaps an interesting little job of making a well head house out of an old feed silo. Silo is about 6' diam and 10' tall, raised up on steel legs with a hopper at the bottom. Owner wants to dismantle it and create a house over his well head out of it.
figure I can take the vacation when I run out of work or fest occurs, which ever happens first.
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I've seen some cool little houses made of those feed silos. I've always had a yen for a quonset hut house with glass ends. They're really, really cheap!I'd think your weather alone would boost the burn-out into the stratosphere! Or maybe i'm just projecting...it's been so windy here that i find all sorts of excuses not to be outdoors. After reading one of Frenchy's "desperation...just kidding!" threads, i kicked myself in the ash and decided to go out there with earplugs in and deal with things.Are the owners waiting to the last minute, vulturizing bec other wineries are having to fold and auction off partz? I guess the winner is whoever is left standing...though i've heard that alcohol sales, at least in bars, is going well in these drear times. Hmmm....I suppose you can reflect on your good fortune to be working when so many aren't. A fellow down my lane who makes custom closets stopped in today when he saw me dismantling my new truck: he hasn't worked since before Christmas, and the guy is just a real go-getter so i know it's not due to slackin'.Anyway, i'm glad to see your new progress pics.
From what I have overheard and heard the winery business is doing just fine. These owners had a great weekend sales just two weeks ago, one wholesale client took all of the balance of their 2007 wine.
Memorial Day weekend will tell the story, it is a HUGE weekend for wineries around here, some places sell more that weekend (depending on the the weather year to year) than they do the entire rest of the year so if the recession is hitting the retail end of the business it will show that weekend. These owners and others I have worked for simply are seemingly incapable of making equipment decisions. Most start out with equipment that has been used and outgrown by other wineries or breweries so they hold off deciding, hoping someone puts some other piece of equipment up for sale.
Easy to drop several hundreds of thousands if one went all new and the latest and greatest, so most ( at least in the price range I build in ) start with used and upgrade as things grow.
And yes I am grateful for having the work, as well as the follow up barn work. Just can't see not using the chance to make the $'s given the uncertainty of the times*** 1 months full time work pays the bills for 3 months down time.
Already fishing a future client with an archy friend of mine... maybe next spring I can get started on a new one. If things fall right I get the winter off to play and then start all over again . Life is good. (*** but then I am one of those lazy/liberal/lefties used to depending on the govt. hand out according to some of the more "asstute members here yanno.) ;-)
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<<These owners and others I have worked for simply are seemingly incapable of making equipment decisions.>>I can relate in my small way. I find all kinds of materials for almost nothing that way. I have all the framing for my new shop for $400, 5 new Pella windows for $225. Amazing the deals you can do if you keep your eyes open and stay flexible...but i don't drive anyone else bonkers with my dilly-dallying, though, only me!A month of work pays for only 3 off? Man, you need a hoophouse! <G>
A month of work pays for only 3 off? Man, you need a hoophouse! <G>>>>>>>
I was going to suggest raising rates!
Compared to a lot of people in this country right now who are working a month and finding themselves further behind I am not complaining. Property taxes, insurances on house and vehicles, utilities, food, fuel and general expenses eats up just about 2 k a month.
toss the govt it's bone and that just about does it . Of course there is always that tool addiction.....
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I hear
you!
Find a truck yet?
Yes,
Picked up a 2008 GMC 1500 4x4,Extended cab 4 door, Standard bed, 5.3 litre, 4,700 miles .
cost me 25k including trade in on my 2000 silverado 2 wheel drive with 110 k on it.
Truck sold last Sept. from the same dealer for 32 k. Could have saved a bit by shopping and spending time but when checking things out it was still a good price and local dealer so minima time invested. Figure it will be the last truck I will need to buy.
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Figure it will be the last truck I will need to buy.>>>
Know the fealing.
Last weeks photos.
Very frustrating week. Tuesday was the day from hells subbasement. What we had was a basic failure to pay attention and comunicate as the saying goes.
Siders kept putting the wrong size trim pieces over the doors and vents. (Photos show that , some of it still isn't replaced correctly yet.) Excavator ran his road grader across the one slab with his blade so close to the slab it caught gravel and scratched the surface.
Overhead door installers drilled about 12 holes into the ceiling looking for blocking that was 12" from where they were looking,then while impact driving the anchors failed to hold the angle bracket and tore the ceiling up in a 2' diameter circle.
Owners wanted to change trim details yet again, and relocated the intended site for the process waste water drain yet again which required a new round of pump engineering. Concrete sub dropped the ball on his schedule and after I spent a full day clearing out the area he needs to pour and blocking it to traffic he doesn't show. I broke the tap off in a door frame and misdrilled another door. Yet some things did get done and I still am aiming at about the middle of May for completion(assuming I don't get arrested for killing someone before then).
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Well, it could have been RAINING! Is that your new truck?
Yes, only color that it came in. LOL
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dang, that box truck JUST fits under the eave. Izzat hardie panel siding? What are the batten strips? The whole project is pretty cool... so what kinda wine? and are you at liberty to disclose the brand, just in case I want to have a break from vodka?http://www.tvwsolar.com
Now I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
He could die happily ever after"
Thank you. The truck actually is just outside the eave line. Not quite under the fascia. Optical illusion in the picture. That is my tool and misc parts truck. All of 66, 000 original miles on a 78, "Crate" motor has about 32,000 on it. Pinot Noir and Pinot Gries are the wines I believe, some other special fruit "Dessert" wins as well.
"Winter's Hill" is the winery name on the bottles. Family owned and run operation and most of their sales are (as I am given to understand ) though their buyers club and a few Or. and Wa. wholesalers. I don't know that it is sold elsewhere, sure can check though. Yes, smooth Hardie, battens are treated pine , pre primed as is all the rest of the exterior trim . Here we call it "white wood" but the yards sell it under the name "Radia (sp?) Pine". Stuff seems to hold up well , paints well and available smooth side or resawn.
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We get radiata pine. I've only used it for interior trim. Most finger jointed stuff is made of it. I've never used it outside. It sure does pretzel up in the trash pile.Neat project. Seems like it went pretty smoothly. Nice coordinatin'.http://www.tvwsolar.com
Now I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
He could die happily ever after"
Yea, thats the stuff. It is the common ext. trim here.
Cedar is out of sight price wise as (on for this job's budget ) were the newer synthetics. Added plus for the Radiata was the available lengths. And Yes, if not applied with plenty of fasteners and caulk it does move around a lot. I am fairly pleased with the operation overall. The glitches I did have astounded me because of the sheer stupidity involved, both mine and the subs. Everyone of them was a real DUH!! moment.
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Mid week progress. Finally getting the dormers finished up and the entry gable. Steel stair stringers moved into position and hoisted and anchored.
Protective concrete post bases to fend off the errant fork lifts.
2 weeks and counting.
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Nice gable colors, but i really want that strip of galvanized flashing painted! ;^PMust feel good to be looking at a change, if not a rest.
It will be... Painters still have the entire body of the building and a lot of touch up to do. Rest ? The next guy in line is already asking can I squeeze a couple of days in at his place between now and the middle of May!! Things in this area are picking up a bit it seems.
talked to the local BO and the local yards, all said they are seeing more action, not a tidal wave or anything , but movement anyway.
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I had to do some community garden stuff in my little town today, so i dropped in on my friends who have a jewelry gallery; they were swamped with wholesale orders! Next door to them is a microbrewery that opened up a couple months ago in an old blacksmith/welding shop....also going gangbusters beyond the owners' wildest dreams. It appears a manifestation of the idea that small pleasures are taking the place of the previous larger ones, but like you say, at least there's movement.
You bout finished up?
Big weekend for the vintners this weekend. You going to be open?
Been seeing some limos this last week out in wine country
Unofficially ? Yes Fire pond is a hang up for the BI. Owners decisions on size , location, excavator delays and weather have slowed that part.
Punching out the rest of the place this week. Painting is problematic due to weather, painter ended up roller and brushing to get done what has gotten done on the exterior due to weather.
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Funny, i just came in from putting up purlins in my second HH and the same thought crossed my mind, to ask if you were done/ready/finished by the mid-month as anticipated. I was supposed to have it planted by May 1. I sympathize on the weather...sheesh, what a Spring!
Well the owners did have a special event for their buying club last weekend.
Best event ever for them ( also best weather we have had in weeks and we couldn't work ), so they are happy and accepting the timing. wearing me down though....
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The owners are no doubt very happy with YOU, for making their best event possible. I hear you on wearing down. I'm hopefully putting my last day on the tiller at the community gardens tomorrow. Blowing like mad now, feels like winter....88 degrees yesterday.
Well not quite finished. But good enough to fake it for this weekends wine crowd. Got electrical final (pending arrival of back ordered lights) and plumbing final.
Building final awaits the pond being finished, which will happen next Thursday.
Almost got it all painted as well.
Pics of nearly final product. And No, I am not responsible for the color scheme.
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More of the exterior.
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I still can't get over how normal it looks...until you park a truck next to it for scale! That shot from the driveway...what a great impression it makes. Attaboy! Big piece, but you chewed it. Would you do it again?
Normal, just what they wanted. Had visitors from Europe tour it yesterday , they were seemingly unimpressed by the outside, asking if this was going to be the new sales building.
Once inside where the scale hits you again one of them turned to me and commented that they were surprised at how much the inside showed that the place was a production facility compared to the exterior view. Yes I would do it agin.
Still haven't done final billings and check writing but as of now it looks as if I came very close to projected income, don't expect any big surprises so that part looks good.
I would do many things differently , hire help for a lot of the paper work side of stuff would be the biggie. I was spread way too thin trying to handle it all myself.
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You mentioned a couple of times when mistakes were made and cost you some money, so i'm glad to hear you caught up and such an effort was still worthwhile. Nice to add to the portfolio, too. What's the mentor think of the deal, now you've pulled it off?
Saw him yesterday , he was the guide for the tourists.
he seemed pleased with what he saw and I expect he will keep promoting me to his winery associates. More pics... Inside.
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Couple things occurred to me: Why is a safety shower req'd in a winery? I was trying to think what could be toxic or flammable and came up blank.And...it seems kinds un-lit in there. Is that on purpose or will more lighting be added at the work level?
Shower/Eyewash is mostly for the caustic cleaning solutions and some chemicals that are used to change the chemistry of the wine.
I was amazed to learn just how sophisticated the chemistry of the wine making world is. Good winemakers have to be quite the chemists. I think the lighting perception is more my camera and it's operator than the reality. I am still using a cheap Canon Power Shot A-10 given to me 8-9 years ago.
Actually the building is really well lit. 6 Phillips (IIRC maybe TEK?) T-5, 4 tube florescent fixtures in the main room. More light than metal halides for way less $ in operating costs, longer bulb life and not as dangerous to the eyes as the metal halides or sodium lamps (which are somewhat the industry standard).
Wall fixtures are only for "ambiance" when holding tasting events. Wine makers actually prefer dim light as too much light effects the wine they tell me. Indirect natural light is acceptable, north facing glazing is the rule. In this case the wine maker actually argued for no windows allowing natural light into the building at all. Storage cellars of course have no natural light at all.
Apparently ( since she is French and learned her business there) it is the "Old World Way" to not have natural light inside the winery.
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Since wine is packaged in dark glass, i thought there might be some concerns with light even during the brewing. I know what you mean about the chemistry. I had a customer in Boise i became friends with and would visit for dinner when i did a show. She got so into her wine-making, that when she got wound up about a process, the sentences became unintelligible jargon peculiar to the industry. She thought i was way smarter than i was, but she went on to win some awards. She even grew her own grapes at her home on the hillside above the town. It was so incredibly dry that summer, but she didn't water them much, if at all. I must have planted two dozen grapes vines so far and killed every one with kindness. Interesting about the halides and sodium lamps being dangerous to the eyes. I did my student teaching in a shop lit with halides lamps. I warned TPTB they created just a bizarre environment that it was dangerous to work under them, but i didn't know they could affect one's eyesight longterm. In my shop, i used fluorescent for general lighting but halogen for local lighting bec fluorescent just wouldn't show up every last flaw i wanted to see.
Grapes are grown on the hills here because the top soil is "thin".
There are some vineyards that drip irrigate , but many do not and rational is it forces the vine to send roots deep into the poorer soil and the grapes actually thrive because of that.
Apparently grape vines do not like to be coddled, and there are very few vineyards down on the valley floor where the top soils are deep. The jargon of that industry when they get to discussing flavors, colors, texture etc is enough to drive me nuts. Being an old drunk my thinking is like ..."Really, Hmm, Amazing you are concerned about that but screw it. How quick will it have the effect I crave?, is it faster than Jackie D" <G> Just for the fun of it one day a couple of carps and I started talking about the "color", "texture", "finish" , "taste", "hidden nuances", "hints of... " etc. of the concrete that we were finishing while a couple of snooty wine makers stood nearby. My then boss ( also a wine maker, but one with a sense of humor) stood by laughing his butt off at the other winemakers consternation.
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<<the "color", "texture", "finish" , "taste", "hidden nuances", "hints of... " etc. of the concrete>>ROFL! Nothing worse than not having one's superiority acknowledged by the laity!
To add insult to injury a bit later on that project one of the crete finishers was approached by a really arrogant wine maker and asked about some side work.
Wine maker had disdained the crew throughout the entire project... But he was super nice when he wanted his patio poured (cheap) . Offered to trade the finisher some of his premium $85.00 a bottle wine for payment. Finisher never looked up from his job but replied he wasn't interested , then turned to a co-worker and commented in a voice loud enough to be overheard......
"If he would of offered a six pack of "Blitz" beer I would have jumped on it." (For those unfamiliar with Blitz ... think the worst stuff ever to be bottled and sold.) That one I had to stuff my hand in my mouth to keep from laughing out loud at .
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No stuffing my hand in my mouth here...that was great! One of the former Mr. Splintys took me out to an expensive restaurant with an eye to playing Professor Higgins to my Eliza Doolittle. I made a point of greeting the waiter with the cloth folded over his arm with a big "Howdy!" My well drillers are showing up tomorrow to drill my well deeper and set a new pump. They requested chocolate. I'm trying out my new stand mixer i bought for mixing hot mud on their brownies today. In the past, i've given them a $20 tip to buy a bottle of whatever to forget i ever called until the next time. Three brothers have the biz...great guys and a joy to observe working. Talk about water ballet...no wasted moves and perfect synchronicity. If i were rich, i'd break stuff on purpose just to enjoy watching those guys do their job.
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LOL...one of my fantasies is to be in on a grape stompin' session. I never thought past the grape squishing to the aftermath, but i can imagine a combination of gravity and water would be much appreciated afterward. I did a Jello Jump for charity years ago where we flailed away in a pool of green jello looking for pokers chips that corresponded to prizes. The firetrucks stood by...at a safe distance, LOL.
Looks real nice, except for the color combo which you commented on.I am glad the pickup and mandoor were there to give us a sense of the scale!
Thanks for the pictures!!!
Thanks You .. Here are the balance of the inside shots. Posted some to splintie in my previous post.
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Congratulations on a job well done.
Head of the drive way pic. What a beautiful place to go to work everyday.
I enjoyed the exterior shots more than the interior pictures.
But I can appreciate all of the utilites and the coordination it took to put it all in place.
Rich
Thank You. The views from these places always seem to be incredible.
One of the bonuses of the job,.
I don't like building in towns or cities, never have. I joke that my truck dies at the county line here, and that I won't hire on unless a view is provided.
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Nice.Looks like some bleak weather to be setting trusses!
Looks great.
You must be as happy about the weather as I am.
Taking care of a roofing job I had right now.
I am , now if you can deliver a couple of days of clear sunshine say second week of November I will be in heaven. Gonna shoot for the slab pour about then.
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We need to get bobbys and you and me together for a WestFest
Lavrans too. There's somebody else in Portland too. Notchman?
I'll definitely stop by. What you don't see in your pictures in very very pretty. I love driving through those vineyards.
There are actually quite a few I know of from Ore. at BT. It would be fun. Just let me solve my start up problems first!
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A WestFest?Don't forget those in WA and CA!We are far overdue for a fest.. "Historic preservation is an essential part of a civil society; historic buildings form the core assets of many communities, and their restoration is key to neighborhood revitalization. Preservation is an essential part of any conservation-minded approach to human settlements. Historic buildings serve as anchors in time, preserving cultural richness and providing essential lessons for contemporary work." Kevin Pierce
id be up for a west fest. Waters is down here too.
Not much this week. I had to lift the building 6" to avoid a hassle with digging even deeper into the rock strata for footings. Talked it over with the excavator and determined it was about a wash $ wise so gave it the go ahead. Couple of pics of footings area being filled, compacted and tested for compaction.
The house is one I worked on about 35-37 years ago. Young carp, barely into apprentice time. Octagon with a 5 out of 8 facets for the 1st. floor poured walls , then frame for the other 3, Second floor stacked on that then 3rd. floor canted out and was supported on poles. Uses a "compression ring" at the roof center to hold things together. 4 x 12 DF beams for the roof, 2 to a corner thru bolted at the poles, at the peak each rafter was thru bolted two steel rings.
Poles for the house were stet with a drilling rigs boom. Oh yeah, after that there were no man lifts, forks lifts or air tools used at all. you wanted that 4 x 12 lifted up three stories? Roof sheathing, up the ladder you go , shingles on your shoulder, Pick it up and carry it there. Lost one roof beam before it got fastened and had to carry it one twice because it slid off the wall and fell down the 3 stories to the ground. Had a treat today at the end of the day . Watched a couger walk out of the woods stop in the driveway and look at myself and the owner (cat was about about 1/4 mile away) , then disappear into the vineyard. Awesome and the first one I have seen that close.
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Where's the cougar? I would have liked to see that!
Unfortunately I couldn't reach my camera from where I was sitting in the truck and didn't want to open the door and scare it off. Missed a couple of nice deer this morning for the same reason. Guess I will be packing the camera on my seat from now on.
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Very nice. And you gotta spoil that view with a winery? <G>
I'm going to guess on your location. Off 99W just west of the scales. i don't know what they call that hill. Domaine Serene is up there.
Few years ago we did Domaine Serene. She said she was going to have a party for the crew. And she did!!!
I tried to trade out a load for a case of wine. Her assistant didn't think it was a fair trade so I sent her a bill.
You are spot on. Past Domaine Serene to the end of the road and take a left.
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congrats! I'll be watching.
Bob's next test date: 12/10/07
I will post pics as it goes I hope.
Be a slow start out of the ground because we have only partial contract to get us to footings being poured. Waiting for banks on the balance of the loan.
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That's gorgeous. If that were my site I don't think I'd go home at night.... I'd just set up one of my telescopes and wait for the guys to come back!
Seriously though, congratulations on landing a big fish. Please keep us posted with pics as it moves along. You know we're whores for that sort of stuff. :)
I understand I love the country views here. Course on the other hand sometimes I think about staying on site because I will only be gone for 8-10 hours anyway !
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Heh. Couldn't remember your location and clicked on the 1st pic before I did your profile. I says to myself, "Gee, that looks like the Willamette Valley in Oregon." Sure enough...
Was there about 10 years back. Lovely place.
Jason
Excavation down to sub-fill/slab level complete, dig the footings tomorrow.
Picked up a few marbles during the dig out. 4 piles the size of this one .
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Nice potato pile!
Thanks for posting pics.... I'm psyched to watch this thing come along. I love being a jobsite voyeur.View Image
Lots of fall there. Looks like a good place for a septic line.
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You must have got that figured out.
I'm out in Dundee tommorow. Might stop by
Smart ####!! Yea I did , Why we even have 3" in the 175' to the drain field to spare!
The fear though when we started hitting that rocky ground was that we would have to do something more than just run ripping teeth across the ground to get the needed depth. I should be onsite all day so do come by if you can. They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
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Pic 1300 in your first post is a great shot.
Oh, and I'll take a case of pinot noir when you're done.
Is this job for the guy that owns the Spruce Goose? I met him, Del Smith, on a couple of occasions. Heck of a guy with a wonderful personal story. Hope you get to meet him and his group, will do wonders for your self esteem and business. be well...dan
No the job isn't for Del Smith. I have never met him , used to take my kids up to his back forty to see his lion and "Liger" that he kept about 3/4 mile from my house.
Know a lot of people who have worked for him and you can't miss his presence here.
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I don't care about about the winory...
I wanna see the spruce goose!!
that plane is a carpenters dream or nightmare....
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Well come on out and visit.
I haven't even visited the museum . I help pay for it through tax breaks for the owners though.
;-) I also did a job for a guy who helped build that bird, he has since died but was living here when the Goose came up from S. Cal. to here. I was working for him on his house when the final leg of the trip was made from the river to the museum site.
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