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Actually Joe, I’m not too good at creating problems, but I’m pretty good at solving them.
Okay, I’m assuming that you are willing to take the bet. Here’s the problem:
I’m going to make it simple (that way I can figure it out too!)
How can you cut a nail (a 16d cement coated spike) with a freshly honed handsaw ( stanley 26″ crosscut) without dulling the teeth?
I lost $5 on that one many years ago!
Blue, chuckling with anticipation
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This should be good. Is this open to all???????
*blue eyed devil,So how is this going to work? Does Joe get to post a problem also? What happens if neither one of you can answer the other person's question?bill curry, Adirondack Jack, Joe, blue eyed devil, and all others.......When I get my computer back from Houston next week, You'll see a new thread soon afterMILKBONE MATH FRAMING CHALLENGEAnyone can accept the challenge. All questions will be related to framing a custom home, so there will be something to learn from it.
*Who is Houston, and why does he have your computer?
*Fred, I assumed Houston was a last name as in Sam Houston, the parent lariat of Texas, and not a first name as in Whitney Houston. As an undergraduate math major in the 60's I often found it necessary to take a doobie to school.
*Houston.... a city in Texas, where the computer was shipped for repair....???????Final Jeopardy, how much did you risk,Jack : )
*Ok , so if you don't have a computor, how did you post? Is this the real trick question?
*Cut only on the forward stroke. Or - the opposite of the cutting direction of the teeth. It takes a long time though.Or - hit it really hard with the back of the blade!!!-Rob
*Rob,Ken uses a friend's computer at their house....Final, final jeopardy,Jack : () )(
*Blue,And the answer is????Jack : () )(
*Joe, this is not a trick question, and your first attempt is not fair! I didn't say a hacksaw!!!Are you ready to give up the milkbones yet?chuckling a little harder,Blue
*Ken, don't you worry, I know how to make them 8/12's into 7.132/12's cause I know where his homepage is!Blue
*I layed all my bones on the sawhorses! If he gets it, I gotta go dumpster diving!Blue
*Well it looks like joe capitulated rather easily, anyone want to go for the bones?Blue
*b No...fess up.
*Is that what the little nib at the end of old saws is for?BB
*You're a good sport Joe, and I don't blame you for only giving it three seconds!I lost $5 bucks years ago to a good old boy who insisted on using my saw. That's the only way to do it!Heres how he did it.First, he drove the spike halfway into a stud.He then Turned the saw upside down, and with the back of the saw cut vigoriously for about 20 seconds. This will heat up the nail, as well as saw halfway through. He then rapped the nail sharply and it broke easily in half.Remember, don't do this one for free!The rookies on my site aren't sure if it worth buying a handsaw for!Blue
*That was the last time I lost a bet on the jobsite!Blue
*who's victor?Blue
*Nope. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that the nib is driven into some wood when it's time to sharpen the saw. This helps to stabilize it.Blue
*That is an old one. Cut the wall?where has all the pvcgone?Well whats your question?Lots of bones are riding on this one!Blue
*Joe,I figured out the backside "heat cutmethod" too but didn't want to take your bone from you...Your "3 second hacksaw blade"answer was good for half a bone at least thoughGot my own bag of milk bonesJack : () )(.
*Joe,b I second motion...All in favor say aye...Such a peacful Breaktime lately,Jack : I)
*2 things guys:1 - sad that this is how you spend a saturday night. I happen to be at work finishing details of my new roof, checking in. So, no I am not as sad off as you.2 - Peaceful except for the questionable post by "damage control" in Energy folder.G'night.-Rob
*Who's Tommy B, and what's all this fuss about a 12 story roof?Build ranches!Blue
*There is nothing sadder, I repeat NOTHING SADDER, than being at work on saturday night at 11:05 pm!Blue
*"..not a first name as in Whitney Houston" I am curious, where is Houston the first name in Whitney Houston? :)Rich Beckman
*The original question didn't say anything about using a hammer.Rich Beckman
*If he could introduce a hammer, I don't see why you can't introduce a hacksaw. I'm not so sure you aren't the winner.Rich Beckman
*Joe, 'Ya might still! I think you wack it with the back of the saw.Jerry
*When I ignorantly used the male pronoun "he" to refer to someone named Houston, I was corrected by FredL. I subsequently was trying to conceal my original ignorance by distinguishing between the male name "Sam Houston" and the female name "Houston, Whitney". Further research reveals that I was also mistaken about the former. He was the Pirate Laureate of Texas.
*I'm Tommy B.We don't build ranches around here. We like a challenge.Tom
*Right on Jerry! If you want, you can just keep sawing. The nail will eventually fall off either way. It's just a little faster to tap it after your halfway through!Joe still owes!Blue
*Just kidding Tommy.By the way, the dodegramma looked good. Did you get a pic of it sheathed?One question regarding it. Why the double headers? I'm guessing that you doubled them to compensate, cause I couldn't see a structural need. The frame itself looks good, and the headers are a much faster/aesthetically pleasing way to frame than attempting side cuts. The side cut method would look better if you were willing to make them fit tight. That's a lot of work for no additional benefit. I would have done it your way using only one header.I also always have the pine installed, prior to the roof frame installation. I find it fairly easy to hang over the walls, and get the parts to fit. This usually invovles a simple scaffold system set up about 3' down on the inside. The same scaffold is pretty useful for installing the rafters, but sometimes I have to install another pair of planks as a scaffold to reach the peak.I'll snap some pics on the next one I do, probably in april. Blue
*Its time for part two of our bet Joe, I'm willing to go double or nothing.What problem do you have in store for me to solve?furiously studying all my resources,Blue
*Bleu, (I think my spelling is classier) Sorry but didn't get any pictures of the cone sheathed. I think the double header you referred to is a dutchman for a rafter that was cut short (gosh, I hoped no one caught that). I was able to scaffold the inside of the cone at the base and set one section of scaffold to reach the peak. We also set the first row of plywood, felt, etc. from inside like we always do. The cone was fun to build but we did it too quick and went on to more mundane framing chores.Enjoying for now,Tom
*I do like the spelling, and I might start using that for my hotmail address. Currently it's [email protected], but bleu_eyed-devil looks better.I kinda figured that it was a Dutchman, it's hard to pull the wool over my eyes 'cause I've done so many dutchmans, they almost started calling me dutchie!I don't normally have to do dudogramamamas, but usually have to do an octogon on the rear of the houses that we frame. I've done enough of them that I have it down to a science. I've never timed one, but I'll time the nest one form soffit to sheathing.They are interesting, but after a while, I'd rather frame a simple wall. I guess this old dog is on his way down!But I still have some tricks up my sleeve for Joe if he's willing to throw some good bones after the one he's lost!Blue
*Blew, never tried sharpening a handsaw, but I have hooked the nib on a nail,and used the back of the saw w/ a pencil to scribe a circle. Not sure if anybody really knows what it's really for. Eh?BB
*I'm looking forward to gracefully re-losing my ample supply back to you, what problem do you have in store for me?!Eating the profits up quickly!Blue