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   woodguy99 | Mar 08, 2007 10:51pm | #1

   http://fastcap.com/prod2.asp?page=2p10kit

   http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=10954

   I use either of these two brands all the time with great results.  Make sure you get the debonder.  I didn't think I'd need it either.  I did.

   CA glue is amazingly strong.  No need to pin joints.  Works great on Azek too.

   "This is a process, not an event."--Sphere
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   davidmeiland | Mar 08, 2007 11:20pm | #2

   Just got a Fastcap catalog yesterday. They have several 2P10 kits with everything needed. A few other nifty items in there too--they'll probably get me for an impulse buy.

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   DonCanDo | Mar 09, 2007 02:39am | #7

   I'm sure it's good stuff, but it seems a bit expensive.  I used to build model airplanes and I used CA a lot.  Here's the stuff I used to use:

   http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPT38&P=ML

    

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   woodguy99 | Mar 10, 2007 09:46pm | #16

   I got the Fastcap catalog the same day.  They always come up with something clever, a real "why didn't I think of that" company."This is a process, not an event."--Sphere

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   Pierre1 | Mar 08, 2007 11:23pm | #3

   Thx.

   Do these CA glues work well on MDF? 

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   ChuckKiser | Mar 09, 2007 12:29am | #4

   I've been using it some mdf trim on a job I'm doing now and it seems to be working just fine, I'm using the jel (thickest) version.

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   woodguy99 | Mar 09, 2007 01:39am | #5

   Have to listen to Chuck, I've never tried it on mdf.  Don't see why it wouldn't work though."This is a process, not an event."--Sphere

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   oops | Mar 10, 2007 04:18am | #10

   I really hate to show my ignorance (though you would think that I should be use to it by now) but what does CA stand for?

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   tashler | Mar 10, 2007 04:40am | #11

   Cyanoacrylate.http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=10562Hope that works.Glenn

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   Pierre1 | Mar 10, 2007 07:13am | #12

   Thanks. No CAs available locally, but Lee Valley sells two products:

   HOT STUFF (very thin) and SUPER T (thin syrup). Gees, this stuff is expensive. None of it has the convenience of the spray that Katz uses on his crown dvd.

   Thanks for the input guys. 

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   1muff2muff | Mar 10, 2007 07:56am | #13

   Try this, http://www.indform.com/  they are in poco. Great products, I use them all the time.

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   Pierre1 | Mar 10, 2007 08:44am | #14

   Thx. I've used their G2 epoxy and found it to be excellent in every way. 

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   1muff2muff | Mar 10, 2007 09:12am | #15

   When I discovered their epoxy, I made some hockey sticks, just to test the strength.

      Indestructible!

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   RW | Mar 09, 2007 02:37am | #6

   It'll work on almost anything. The 2P-10 from Fastcap is what Gary is probably using. As an aside, that whole story lends a little credibilty to Katz to me. Fastcap and him dont actually get along too well. They dont sponsor him or anything. He just likes their stuff. That takes a little wind out of the sails of the argument that he hawks peoples wares for the money. I dont buy that.

   But I wouldnt use it on traditional miter joints. I suspect in his video he has a small crown return piece. Returns are the perfect place to use the stuff. On a long board, you've still got other forces at work on the joint over time, and in the long run, yellow glue will probably hold better. CA is very strong but very brittle and subject to fracture.

   If you glued two short boards edge to edge, you'd never be able to break the bond trying to shear them. But if you dropped the two on the floor it'd split apart clean.

   Real trucks dont have sparkplugs

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   woodguy99 | Mar 09, 2007 09:32pm | #8

   RW, have you ever actually used 2P10? 

   I learned about it watching Gary Katz glue up 4 or 5 inch miters, in person at JLC Live a few years ago.  Since then I have used it a lot--probably a gallon of adhesive total.  You can't break a long grain joint, I don't care how you apply the force.  Even end grain joints are sturdy.  I haven't had any complaints yet after three years.

   The only downsides are that it's expensive and it sets up too quickly for traditional glueups."This is a process, not an event."--Sphere

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   RW | Mar 10, 2007 12:40am | #9

   I use it all the time. Its still a CA. Whack it hard once and see what it does.Real trucks dont have sparkplugs

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   rnsykes | Mar 10, 2007 09:49pm | #17

   We use the Hi-Pur hot melt.  The 30 second set in the green tube.  I'm pretty happy with it, and it dries nice and strong.  But being a polyurethane, it tends to expand the joint a little, so you have to use it sparingly.