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Kitchen cabinets too short

connie363 | Posted in General Discussion on January 19, 2006 12:46pm

Have new overlay cherry kitchen cabinets in a 10′ ceiling, made by brother-in-law, that only come up to 105″ high, including the 3″ crown. What I really want is for them to go all the way to ceiling and it seems there are several ways to do that: adding a 14″ crown down from the ceiling, all wood; building sheetrock soffit and adding crown to that; or adding custom 14″ crown to rest on top of the existing crown?
Looking for feedback as to how best to raise the visual height of these cabinets without moving the existing cherry cabinets.

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  1. calvin | Jan 19, 2006 12:51am | #1

    Welcome Connie, a built up crown that tall might overpower the cabinets below.  Is there a reason you want to close that space in above the cabinets?  If so, maybe a drop soffit which could include crown at it's ceiling/soffit connection, as well as the crown you already have figured for the cabs, would look good.

    A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.

    Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

    Quittin' Time

     

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    JDRHI | Jan 19, 2006 01:07am | #2

    Perhaps some open shelving to match?

    Rather than a sheetrock soffets, maybe finished in plywood to match cabs.

    I agree with calvin....a 14" crown is going to overwhelm the cabs.

    J. D. Reynolds

    Home Improvements

    1. calvin | Jan 19, 2006 01:25am | #5

      Just so connie gets the full fervor that is Breaktime.........

         J. D. 

      How've you been?  Have you lost that loud obnoxious IM greeting when you get on?  I've had the sound off since you ruined a nice romantic interlude with that boisterous entry.

      Make yourself at home connie, this is Breaktime.  A little bit of information and alot of BS.

      A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.

      Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

      Quittin' Time

       

      Edited 1/18/2006 5:26 pm ET by calvin

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        JDRHI | Jan 19, 2006 04:16am | #15

        Doin' good brotha man...how bout yerself?

        Feel safe to turn your sound back on....I got rid of the tune. (Why you were attempting a romantic interlude in front of the computer is beyond me though)

        You planning on attenting Teepee-Fest? Looks like I'll be in Disneyworld that week.

        Don't youse guys take family vacations? I was all set for the second week in August....but by the next time I checked in on the thread, the date had changed.

        Be well!

        J. D. Reynolds

        Home Improvements

        1. calvin | Jan 19, 2006 04:38am | #16

          you sack of crap (just trying to keep up with the boys in the cathedral, you are a mutha ####, strap this buddy, etc. thread).

          Don't tell me, you can't make this one either.  "We always go up to the cape"...........damn man.

          Andy kind of motivated around one of the guests birthdays even tho said guest said "no, you don't have to do that" but you know those hinjews.

          There's so much time now, why don't you talk to him about it.  I don't think it's etched in stone just yet.  And that guy with the birthday sure as hell won't give a hoot.

          My daughter lives away from home now, anyplace it a good place for the interlude, dude.

          I think it should almost be mandatory for folks that have been here, however long we've been here, to meet.  Hell, Taunton should even subsidize the travel for the good of the cause.  Or, at a dime a post, you'd have some miles now wouldn't you?  NOTE:  just checked, you'd be in for 791.00 @ dime/post.  Not bad.

          Speaking of which (see above about the brutal posts), isn't it remarkable how some people of extremely differing political beliefs can get along just fine, while others with the same differing views couldn't say hello without insulting each other?  Man, gets me everytime.

          Then there's the non thinking..............better not go there.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.

          Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

          Quittin' Time

           

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            JDRHI | Jan 19, 2006 05:43am | #17

            Sounded as though Katrina was lookin' at week 3 as being better overall. Truth be told...week 2 would be pushin' it as well. We get home from the Cape that Saturday. I'da been pullin the minivan into the driveway only to kiss the wife and kids before jumpin' in the truck and headin' to Andys. Disney isn't locked in yet.....still kickin' around a few options...but it's likely. Thing that kills me is Andy is probably the closest BTer contemplating a Fest. I figgered his I couldn't miss. We'll see what happens.

            And yes.....I do think its funny how some folks can't put differing views aside and take in the bigger picture. That we all enjoy this place so much gives us much more in common than whatever differences we may have. (I gotta find this catthedral thread though.....you've peaked my interest.)

            But to the original poster.....don't let our little deviation from the topic deter you from returning. I liked someones idea of cabs with glass doors and lighting to display crystal. Just make sure its crystal you never plan on actually using. You will never take the time to pull out a ladder and grab one down for a glass of wine.

            J. D. Reynolds

            Home Improvements

  3. doodabug | Jan 19, 2006 01:14am | #3

    How about another set of 12" tall cabinets on top of what you have?

  4. kate | Jan 19, 2006 01:20am | #4

    Hi!

    I like to have shelf space above the cabinets - lots of nice brass, copper, & stoneware pieces on display.  The crown molding gives the shelf a finished look.

    I agree with the others that a huge crown will overpower th cabinets.  If you absolutely hate the open shelf, go with the 12 in. cabs.

    Welcome to BT - you have definitely come to the source for answers!

  5. FastEddie | Jan 19, 2006 01:57am | #6

    Raise the cabinets to the ceiling, and install an open shelf below. 

     

     

    "When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it."  T. Roosevelt

    1. Hackinatit | Jan 19, 2006 02:18am | #8

      Nice idea! Keeps the kids outta the cabinets!

      Oh, and the tallest in the family gets permanent "dish duty".

      I'd install 12" cabinets with glass doors to show off some china without the dusting.

       Troy Sprout

      Square, Level & Plumb Renovations

      1. doodabug | Jan 19, 2006 03:54am | #13

        With lights inside. I like it.

        1. Hackinatit | Jan 19, 2006 04:11am | #14

          Thanks... so?

           Troy Sprout

          Square, Level & Plumb Renovations

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    JeffBuck | Jan 19, 2006 02:17am | #7

    how about some pictures?

     

    close up detailed stuff ... and a far back wide angle shot to get a good "feel" of the general theme.

     

    here's another thot ... add a recptical and high liet it with rope lighting.

    Jeff

        Buck Construction

     Artistry In Carpentry

         Pittsburgh Pa

    1. connie363 | Jan 19, 2006 10:46am | #20

      Not sure what you mean by a receptacle. Just an open cabinet? I'm going to try to attach photos but I'm not sure I will succeed.

  7. Shaken_not_Stirred | Jan 19, 2006 02:22am | #9

    I would say at this point leave it open.  I would also say that I hate having to go up there (worse with a 10 foot ceiling) and clean the stuff up there.  And count on the dirt being greasy from cooking.  Ugly job.

    So my second, or would that be first choice?, would be a drywalled soffit with a largish crown molding along the ceiling.  I think a light colored paint not the soffit would look sharp!

    Just my humble vote.  If I get a vote. LOL!

  8. Svenny | Jan 19, 2006 02:26am | #10

    If your couting votes, I vote for the existing hight with the existing crown and left open on top. If you really don't like the open look, then I vote for the soffit.

    BTW- over the years i have removed a lot of soffits for the open look. Most people seem to prefer it that way.

    John Svenson, builder,  remodeler,  NE Ohio

  9. JonE | Jan 19, 2006 02:36am | #11

    I hate soffits.  A second "layer" of shorter cabinets with glass doors would look nice, with a small crown at the top.

    I personally prefer an open space where vintage kitchen gadgets, decorations, glassware and pottery can be displayed.   Not too awful to go up there once every year or two, pull everything down, run it through a dish cycle and put it back.

     

  10. sully13 | Jan 19, 2006 03:00am | #12

    Connie:

    I agree with JeffBuck, some pix would be great.  Short of that, how about some info.  You said that the cabs go to 105" with 3" crown; so then the cabs themselves stop at 102"?  What is the hang height from finished floor?  Standard is 54" to bottom of cabs, that leaves 18" finished dimension between tops and bottom of cabs assuming a standard top height of 36".   If cabs are hung at standard height then they are made 48" tall?  If all that is true then don't move the cabs up, you will never be able to reach the top shelves without a ladder, unless you are 8 feet tall. In fact if the wall cabs have a make height of 42", I would still leave them at a hang height of 54", maybe go to 56" because of the ceiling height.  I will disagree with everyone who feels that an impressive crown buildup would over power the cabs, especially if they are 48" tall.  Depending on the layout of the cabs and the overall size of the space, 14" of crown on top would give a good spatial balance to the wall elevations.  Of course the least expensive method would be to create a soffit above.  It all depends on what type of look you are trying to achieve.

     

    1. connie363 | Jan 20, 2006 03:12am | #28

      Sorry, I forgot to reply to your specific questions. Cabinets are hung at 56" off floor, 36" counter height, cabinets 42". Finished hang height = 105 with some shorter side cabinets at 97"(includes a 3" crown that will hang down from what you see in the photo). On range hood wall, copper hood of 42" wide is 105" tall and two side cabinets are already made to be at 97" height. Ceiling is 10'; that adjacent soffit between the kitchen and the vaulted family room is at 9'. Any other creative ideas on how to add more visual height? My goal is to have that range hood really be the focal point but right now, it looks very small and short and I think something different has to be done to make it more grand.

      1. IdahoDon | Jan 20, 2006 06:32am | #29

        My vote goes with a staingrade buildup above the cabinet, starting with a bullnose, then smooth section in the same plane as cabinets to ceiling height.  Crown, as tall and complicated as desired, is attached to the smooth section.   Simple, clean, looks good. 

        Cheers,

        Don

        1. connie363 | Jan 20, 2006 09:16am | #31

          This sounds great! What do you mean, though, by "staingrade" buildup? Do you mean continue with cherry on the build up or use wood that can be stained to match? Cabinets are cherry with a clear finish, no stain.

          1. Svenny | Jan 20, 2006 03:02pm | #32

            Staingrade simply means wood that is appropriate for a stain and/or clear finish. As opposed to paint grade, which only needs to look good with a coat of paint. Typically, poplar, finger jointed pine, or MDF are used for paint grade.John Svenson, builder,  remodeler,  NE Ohio

  11. DougU | Jan 19, 2006 06:45am | #18

    Connie

    Here is a picture of some cherry cabinets that we did that has a 9" crown buildup.

    sorry the pic is a scan so its not all that clear.

    Doug



    Edited 1/18/2006 11:00 pm ET by DougU

    1. connie363 | Jan 19, 2006 10:39am | #19

      Thank you! That helps to see your pic. Was that soffit built first and cabinets installed after? Forgive me if this seems an obvious question. We have 10' ceiling adjacent to a vaulted ceiling family room, so am afraid building a lower 9' soffit would look out of scale with the high ceiling room next to it. That's why I'm trying to figure out how to build the cabinets up higher or else possibly add a wide ceiling crown that comes down. I have photos and will attempt to attach them.

      1. BryanSayer | Jan 19, 2006 07:14pm | #24

        If you do add 12" cabinets and you want doors on them, I suggest sliding doors, as it it harder to open swinging doors while standing on a step ladder or step stool, which, unless your husband is the Shack, will be necessary at that height.Personally, I like the idea of open shelving up there.

  12. maverick | Jan 19, 2006 04:36pm | #21

    the easiest solution would be to raise the cab's to where you like them and install apothecary drawers underneath

    1. Adrian | Jan 19, 2006 05:37pm | #22

      I'd vote against raising the cabinets....the top shelf of standard 30" cabinets is already high for average sized people, people don't seem to really use the top shelf on 40" cabinets much from what I've seen...if those cabinets are already taller than 40" like someone asked, and they get moved up....I don't think they'll get used much.

      Would vote for a soffit, or another bank of cabinets on top of the main ones for storage....maybe glass doors.Cabinetmaker/college woodworking instructor. Cape Breton, Nova Scotia.

  13. Tejanohombre | Jan 19, 2006 07:02pm | #23

    Hi Connie!

    I'm in the process of building our new home and just ordered the custom Cherry cabinets last week. Also have 10' ceilings but what I'm planning to do is lay in simple flourescent fixtures on top, out of sight. Also planning for undercabinet downlighting as well. In preplanning, we ran all the wiring with the switches in one box for the uplighting, downlighting and recessed cans. This way, you can get several different light effects at one time. Personally, I plan to use the uplights for sort of a "night light" effect as I just like the flourescents better than the rope lighting. (Ropes just not bright enough IMO) Also plan to add some greenery and other items on top as DW sees fit.

    Just a thought but if your cabs end at 105", you're only talking about 15" of space. Are you doing any crown moulding in the kitchen? Ours is a two piece moulding and comes down a pretty good ways softening the look of that bare space. Anyway, just a thought...

    All the best!

    1. connie363 | Jan 19, 2006 08:15pm | #25

      Loved your lighting ideas! Also, I have been thinking about crown molding like you mentioned and would love to see pictures of what you have done showing size of molding, look of it, is it cherry or painted trim, etc. That is exactly what I am pondering over, what to do with that 15" of space above the cabinets - I really don't want a bunch of knick-knacks up there collecting cobwebs! My brother-in-law, cabinetmaker talked me out of going all the way to the ceiling with cabinets but I regret not doing that. I have an issue with the wall with the copper range hood also and what to do with that 14 1/2" space to the ceiling as well. Your idea of a ceiling crown coming down is probably the easiest. I am thinking also of putting a cherry crown on the top of the range hood to give it more visual prominence and then perhaps also a ceiling molding?
      Check out the attached photo- shows the cabinet above the opening for the fridge/freezer. Right now, the plan is for a 3" crown to come down from the top of that cabinet you see. So the finished cabinet height with crown will be 105" (just under 9'). The soffit to the left is at 9' and I think the cabinet crown should be raised to bring up the finished height to be at least 9'. What do you think?

    2. connie363 | Jan 20, 2006 01:11am | #26

      Just reread your email and realized your cabinets are on order and not in to take a photo! How high are your cabinets going and what size crown? RE fluorescents to lay on top of the cabs, do you mean just the long tube type? I actually have some lower cabinets at 95" and above those are where I have outlets to use for over-cab. lighting, not over the 105" height ones. If I raise up the two lower side-cabs on either side of my 42" range hood to be at equal height(105") with my hood, I will be covering up my electrical outlet! Making any changes now is not easy, I am finding. I feel that I need to do something with the copper hood wall to make that entire wall more of a visual focus of the kitchen. Tell me more about your ceiling crown.

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        CapnMac | Jan 20, 2006 02:03am | #27

        Here's a post:  http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=68010.35

        This from a recent thread we had on over-cabinet lighting, with some good pictures of finished install, along with some commentary on lighting both over and under the cabs.

        This link is to the first post in the thread:  http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=68010.1Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

      2. Tejanohombre | Jan 20, 2006 06:42am | #30

        Thanks Connie! Yeah, I'm anxious to see how the lighting looks when it's all finished. I really like light and am disappointed at how many high-end homes are so dismally dark! But anyway... Guess that's why I'm building my own home - I get to do it my way! (Which is why I have over 70 recessed cans in that house!)For the flourescents I'm still debating which fixtures to use but am leaning towards the higher end units from GE that are connectable. They're advertised as *no hum* but given the height they'll be at I'm not so concerned about that. Otherwise I'll just use simple 48" tubes. Rope lighting does look really nice but seems to work better with 9' ceilings where the flourescents wouldn't look as good. Gotta have the high ceilings for them! But when you have a wide open kitchen, they really give a nice relaxing glow at night and still be light enough for a quick trip to the fridge during commercials.Our crown molding is a basic two piece where they take two separate pieces, separate them by about an inch or so and then you paint the whole thing. (You've probably seen this.) Ours will simply be painted white. Don't know the exact dimensions but I'm guessing it'll come down about 8 or 9 inches from the ceiling. For our cabinets, I believe they're basically the same dimensions as yours.Since I'm such a visual person, without seeing your home or the blueprints, it's hard really to offer too many ideas. However, I would suggest talking with your people (trim, cabinet-maker, electrician, et. al.) and see what kind of creative ideas they can come up with - you might be surprised. And your electrician should be able to move your receptacles up higher. Not as easy after drywall but they know how. It can be hard trying to figure out everything up front so nothing has to be moved later but... this is homebuilding! In fact, I had my electrician out today for the very same thing.Sounds like you're on your way to a beautiful kitchen! Enjoy!

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