I’d like to here from some of you guys with kitchen design and install experience. I think I know the answers to my q’s but I am looking for a reality check just the same.
Take a kitchen with full inset doors and drawers, or partial overlay. Assume you have a 1 1/2″ bottom rail to work with.
Toe kick on the cabinet fronts is 4 1/2″ high. If you wish to apply furniture base 3/4 thick, proud of the frame, how tall would you specify it fabricated?
Now to cabinets at the end of the run. And lets through in a boner. The furniture base is decorative. Meaning; it is like gingerbread or scalloped if you like. It touches the floor for several inches or so at the two ends of a given cabinet, but is mostly open in between. You can see back to the recessed toe kick.
So, when you get to the end cabinets, do you spec a toe kick or a dropped or full side panel that goes to the floor. Deco furniture base goes over that, 45’s to the piece on the front………..
What about where an appliance is placed? Return the deco base to itself at the end of the cab? You would need the full side panel again right?
I’m trying to hash out a mess I’m trying to fix. 4 1/2″ toe kick, 4 1/2″ furniture base means I have to add down to the bottom rail and I still have a joint or seam to deal with. Pluse the cabs were shimmed not scribed to the finished floor so that some of the toe kick heights are greater than 4 1/2″.
Nice mess.
What are your thoughts?
Eric
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What are your thoughts?
Take pictures when you're done, it's bound to be beautiful.
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Thanks you commie bastid! My head was about to explode looking at this pile of sh!t today.
Boss will tell me that they can't order the base taller than 4.5.............yeah; right.
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I had all sorts of interesting ways to get around this job and come up smelling like a rose.
That is until you mentioned the 4-1/2'''s.
what you have to cover with is 4-1/2''. What you need to cover is more than 4-1/2''.
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Yeah, 4 1/2" toe kick height, cabs were set on finished floor and shimmed not scribed.
Some are close to 1/2" off the floor. Now cover that with 4 1/2" material. Yeah, build down the bottom rail; hah! No easy button there and now we have ANOTHER seam.
All painted material too.
If production and design had gotten together on this, I believe the chance of this happening would be greatly diminished.
See my other thread re on the clock or off in the buss folder.
This is complicated stuff, but brain surgery it aint'.
Pics later.
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I'll tell you what. When you deal with prebuilts/store bought you bemoan the fact that the toekick cover needs ripped when you set 'em on the floor and they send slightly wider goods. Then sure as hell, when you need that extra 1/2'' they send a cover that barely runs up where you can't see it. In your case, the furniture style finish is what it is. No hiding or fudging anything there.
At least when you spec the job and then install it you MIGHT have a handle on it and take care of it b/4 it comes back to haunt you.
As to your business thread. See if you can have a mtg first thing in the morning. Not early, but at regular start time. Your meeting is for the good of the company and certainly worthy of remuneration.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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As to your business thread. See if you can have a mtg first thing in the morning. Not early, but at regular start time. Your meeting is for the good of the company and certainly worthy of remuneration.
Thanks Cal, I value your opinion.
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value?
no ####?
thanks.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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Eric
Here is one example of a decorative foot that I applied on a set of cab's that I built, I usually return the foot around the corner when I apply them, I don't like the side coming down thing like you mentioned, but that's just a matter of taste.
If I had an appliance next to it then I would have the side coming down to the floor. No sense putting a foot where it cant be seen, plus it would make a catch for dirt and such.
My toe kicks are set level and then I skin them so an unleveled toe kick never shows. Something you can do to hide the shimming.
Doug
Eric, I just went back and re-read your post, I didnt catch the part about needing the deco piece to be taller then the actual height of the toe kick and that you cant get it that tall! Maybe you can add a decorative piece under the foot. Not real sure without seeing the actual foot that your going to use.
Edited 8/30/2006 10:19 pm ET by DougU
eric, that's a beautiful look.
Hope they don't own a collie.
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Yeah, it looks good and that's about it. Five years from now we'll see. The floor is a joke. It's trash waiting to happen.
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Eric
Those are nice, what brand are they?
Are those some you installed?
I'm following the thread about the pow-wow, or should I say the iminant pow-wow.
Hope it works out for ya, sometimes the boss cant see past his nose and wont/cant listen to his people, its to bad because most/some of us see whats going on and can add something to the mix.
Doug
Cuisine Lauriea (sp) out of Quebec.
I do installs but not this project. I have become the fireman for the co. fixing all the fu's and installing all the missing damaged mis-ordered pieces. This is pretty typical of wha we do. I don't like doing installs on painted cabs; they are typically problematic because of the finish.
This one came in with no touch up and no filler stick. That was 2 months ago. We STILL don't have either one. Phenoseal to finish a 90k kitchen.......sweet! No wonder the owner is holding 17k and my head is about to explode!
Hope it works out for ya, sometimes the boss cant see past his nose and wont/cant listen to his people, its to bad because most/some of us see whats going on and can add something to the mix.
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