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Ladder safety

FastEddie | Posted in General Discussion on August 14, 2008 08:53am

Just took these pictures out my 14th floor window of a couple of painters working on the building next door.  They are caulking and painting the outside air louvers and other metal trim on the roof of the building.  Notice how the old wooden ladder is propped against the metal roof ladder, on an angle, resting on the top rung, not tied off.  Actually nothing is tied off.  And the surface he is standing on is sloped.

“Put your creed in your deed.”   Emerson

“When asked if you can do something, tell’em “Why certainly I can”, then get busy and find a way to do it.”  T. Roosevelt

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  1. FastEddie | Aug 14, 2008 08:55pm | #1

    Ok, here's the pictures.

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    "Put your creed in your deed."   Emerson

    "When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it."  T. Roosevelt

    1. blownonfuel | Aug 14, 2008 08:57pm | #2

      I'm getting dizzy just looking at it!!!

    2. Piffin | Aug 15, 2008 03:11am | #4

      I was gonna say - "That's OK, he's an illegal" but then I saw he is wearing gloves for safety gear 

       

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      1. blownonfuel | Aug 15, 2008 08:25pm | #17

        "That's OK, he's an illegal" Man thats kinda rough Piffin, I hope you were joking.

        1. Piffin | Aug 15, 2008 10:02pm | #26

          yeah, did I forget he smiley? 

           

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    3. andyfew322 | Aug 15, 2008 05:44am | #7

      At first I was like, it wouldn't be that bad of a fall, but then I saw the second pic..... 

      The next level is here.... Turning.

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      Sphere | Aug 15, 2008 03:21pm | #11

      Shoot, thats nuthin. If any one saw us with a ladder held by vice grips onto a standing seam copper 40' up or higher they'd have apoplexy..but in reality all the weight is on the roof.

      Same there, he's not doing anything I'd deem as foolhardy.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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      You gonna play that thing?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Ln-SpJsy0

      1. FastEddie | Aug 15, 2008 07:17pm | #13

        I think the issue is the way the top rung of the wood ladde is leaning against the edge of the building ladder.  If he shifts his weight and the wood ladder twists and slides, theree's nothing to keep it from falling off the building ladder.  And then down he goes.

        I had a hispanic crew doing a slate roof on my branch last week, 12/12 slope 40 ft to the ridge, and everyone was tied off with ropes to anchors at the ridge.  Didn't seem to slow them down at all."Put your creed in your deed."   Emerson

        "When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it."  T. Roosevelt

        1. theslateman | Aug 16, 2008 12:11am | #31

          Eddie,

          Lets see some pictures please !!

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      ToolFreakBlue | Aug 16, 2008 04:55am | #32

      So, how's he going to caulk the other side of that louver?Betcha he said he did it already.TFB (Bill)

  2. GregGibson | Aug 15, 2008 12:14am | #3

    He's okay - he has the drop cord in his left hand.  I decided a long time ago that if I ever take up rock climbing, I won't use a rope, I'll use an extension cord or a water hose, since they get hung up on EVERYTHING !

    Greg

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      IMERC | Aug 15, 2008 06:02am | #8

      or an air line... 

      Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

      WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

  3. gfretwell | Aug 15, 2008 04:51am | #5

    Must be a city thing to worry about stuff like this. I guess you never watched a Mexican walk a tie beam on a 2 story with a concrete pump hose. ;-)

    1. Jim_Allen | Aug 15, 2008 05:33am | #6

      I get an eyefull every day in this sub. I gotta admit...they have glue on their feet. I was pretty good up on the roofs but I'd never be able to compete with them. Never. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

      Quote of the day: "...can't be done, it will take too long, not enough pipeline capacity, yada yada but yet they don't apply the same skepticism to their own "solutions" such as wind and biofuels"

  4. alwaysoverbudget | Aug 15, 2008 06:23am | #9

    somebody should steal that ladder and burn it,what a favor you would be doing someone.

    if a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?

    1. FastEddie | Aug 15, 2008 02:15pm | #10

      I sent that around to several of my colleagues.  One replied that she knows the owner of that building, and passed it on to them.  I think somebody stepped in doo-doo."Put your creed in your deed."   Emerson

      "When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it."  T. Roosevelt

    2. Marson | Aug 15, 2008 04:33pm | #12

      Yeah, what's the deal with wood ladders? I drove by a commercial roofing job the other day, and they had wood extension ladders. WTF? I thought they quit using those back when buffalo roamed the plains.

      1. Piffin | Aug 15, 2008 08:08pm | #14

        What is wrong with a wood ladder? Heavy, expensive, and more work to maintain, but a fine choice when properly taken care of. 

         

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        1. Marson | Aug 15, 2008 08:13pm | #15

          Well, nothing wrong with them. Just something you expect grandpa to have in his garage, not on a commercial roofing crew.

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            Sphere | Aug 15, 2008 08:20pm | #16

            Thats all Local 30 and 30B ( union roofers) used in Philly. As recently as the early 90's.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            You gonna play that thing?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Ln-SpJsy0

          2. Marson | Aug 15, 2008 08:30pm | #18

            Any idea why?

          3. Jim_Allen | Aug 15, 2008 08:50pm | #20

            Yes: wood is better choice in many situations. The conform to irregular surfaces much better. They are far less slippery against wall when they are leaned up against them. They are easier on the hands to carry and climb. They are easier to adjust for height. They don't conduct electricity. They are cheaper in the initial outlay of cash. I much prefer wood ladders. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

            Quote of the day: "...can't be done, it will take too long, not enough pipeline capacity, yada yada but yet they don't apply the same skepticism to their own "solutions" such as wind and biofuels"

          4. Marson | Aug 15, 2008 08:57pm | #22

            Must be a regional thing. I haven't seen a wood ladder in professional use ever, I think, except for that one commercial roofer I mentioned. I'd have to special order a wood ladder if I wanted one. I'm hoping the ladders I got will last as long as I'm needing to be climbing them, anyway.

          5. Piffin | Aug 15, 2008 10:08pm | #27

            Well, you are only 48 years old so that you have not seen one doesn't mean that much, LOL.they can be harder to set up, but more comfortable to climb all day. some are more expensive than AL, but when they loosen up, they can be tightened again. AL has to be thrown away.I think one reason roofers kept on with them is that the equipment and rigging we had was made for round rungs, not the newer D-style flat rungs. 

             

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          6. Marson | Aug 15, 2008 10:11pm | #28

            Well I don't mind being called a youngun:)

          7. Marson | Aug 15, 2008 10:16pm | #29

            Hey you old-timers, there is this newfangled material that they make ladders out of now. It's called fiberglass:)

          8. Piffin | Aug 15, 2008 10:37pm | #30

            got me onadem tooIt is as heavy and expensive as wood, but will loosen the rungs.It doesn't grown splinters which is a good thing, and will handle being left out in the weather too. 

             

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            deadmanmike | Aug 16, 2008 10:05am | #33

            An added bonus to FG for me is temperature.

            I'm not exactly sure why, but after driving across Phoenix at 108 degrees the glass ladder can be handled no problem. The aluminum one is roughly the same temp as a solar flare.

             

          10. Piffin | Aug 16, 2008 03:54pm | #34

            and the wood one handles as well at thirty below zero!;) 

             

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            deadmanmike | Aug 17, 2008 09:01am | #35

            Ha! I'll take your word on that one...

          12. Piffin | Aug 17, 2008 05:07pm | #36

            I'm good for it!;) 

             

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            Sphere | Aug 15, 2008 08:51pm | #21

            Not a clue, but I got a free 40' triple section when one guy coming down had the very bottom rung break under his 320lbs on one foot.

            He hollered to have it tossed in the dumpster, I took it home. I weighed 175 soaking wet and could hardly move it once it was up, so a few yrs later I sold it..it was only a 39' after I cut the rails where the rung broke..LOLSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            You gonna play that thing?

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          14. dovetail97128 | Aug 15, 2008 09:07pm | #23

            yea they are heavy, here is an old memory.
            I remember when I was a kid my dad and my uncle, both of whom were pro firefighters, painting the gable ends on our house.
            House was 2 story with 12/12 pitch roof (full attic) plus about 3' of basement wall above of the ground.
            Dad weighed maybe 150lbs at the time, my uncle was a giant to me , 6'4"' and the size of a grizzley. Dad went up the fully extended wooden ladder, painted along for awhile then would holler down to my uncle who would pick Dad, ladder and all the gear up and walk him to the next space to be painted. Dad would "finger walk" along the wall as he was being moved. Uncle would also go up the first section and raise and lower the upper section while dad was still standing on it so Dad didn't have to climb down to do that. Years later my dad asked if I wanted his ladders, weighing all of about the same 150 lbs. I declined the offer!
            They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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            Sphere | Aug 15, 2008 09:19pm | #24

            I did a similar deal a few yrs ago in NC..was painting a peak of a gable with "Cliff" a 350lb born again , ex-biker. Looked a LOT like Luka ( but heavier, of course).

            We strapped a 16' alum ladder to the top fly of a 40' ( alum) ladder and Cliff would stand it all up...I climbed to paint ( and swat wasps with a 4'' brush) and when I got up, I'd extend the 16' as far as needed and climb THAT.

            When I couldn't reach far enough left or right, Cliff would scootch me over and then pick up the bottom and move it under me.

            Man, it was crazy those days, but we thought nothing of it.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

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            You gonna play that thing?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Ln-SpJsy0

          16. Piffin | Aug 15, 2008 10:02pm | #25

            so call me gramps.But that is a person painting - possible general maintainance guy not a roofer. Ladder may have been there since the structure was built. 

             

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        2. Jim_Allen | Aug 15, 2008 08:47pm | #19

          I loved my wooden ladders. My preference was 20' eastern style type 1a of course. I'd personally keep two of these with me at all times. When I split them, I would lean them against most any wall and be able to "walk" across the top of them without ever coming down. I could cover a lot of ground that way. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

          Quote of the day: "...can't be done, it will take too long, not enough pipeline capacity, yada yada but yet they don't apply the same skepticism to their own "solutions" such as wind and biofuels"

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