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Let’s fill the house!

TessaK | Posted in General Discussion on September 24, 2003 11:21am

Yay, a corresponding forum to the new magazine! And nobody is here yet. Mark, I think the first order of business should be to solicit names for this forum, because let’s face it ‘house chat’ is a bit on the boring side, no?

Other than that, I can’t wait for this forum to get going. Even though I haven’t signed up for the magazine yet (but I definitely will).

Edited to say: and beige? Did it really have to be beige? I mean, what is inspiring about beige? 🙁 Sorry to be whining.


Edited 9/24/2003 4:22:26 PM ET by Tessa

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    SYSOP | Sep 24, 2003 11:39pm | #1

    Tessa,

     Well it looks like your the first so welcome and be sure to spread the word about Taunton's new Forum, House Chat! -M

    SYSOP
    [email protected]

    1. Theodora | Sep 25, 2003 12:52am | #2

      Hey, Tessa, Mark........

      What da heck is dis?

      There's a new magazine? I have to get out more......

      I don't know if men are going to show up someplace called "chat," are they?"Our whole American way of life is a great war of ideas, and librarians are the arms dealers selling weapons to both sides."-James Quinn

      1. Newf | Sep 25, 2003 12:45pm | #3

        Probably not!

        But then again, I thought it was about a talking house...Peace

        Newf

        Sometimes, when you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

        Pooh

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        SYSOP | Sep 25, 2003 06:30pm | #9

        Yes The Taunton Press is now publishing Inspired House. Our latest publication. Its always exciting to have a new product come out especially one that has such a buzz about it.

        SYSOP[email protected]

        Edited 9/25/2003 1:34:04 PM ET by SYSOP

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          aimless | Sep 25, 2003 09:11pm | #10

          Everything here is so BLANK. So, instead of beige, how about purple? Instead of House Chat (and for those of us who read too fast this looked like a discussion of pets), how about just plain 'Inspirations'. Or even 'Whole 9 Yards', since the new mag covers everything including gardening and sewing, giving us 2 puns for the price of one?

          1. TessaK | Sep 25, 2003 09:25pm | #11

            Gatherings is purplish already. The only color that isn't taken is yellow, but I'm not sure that that works well visually unless it's darker, and then you get into Orange. Which is taken by Knots.

            I did notice that none of the board colors are really a straightforward version of that color. The red of Cooks Talk is burgundy-ish, the blue of Breaktime is teal-ish, and the purple of Gatherings is, well, I don't know what to call it but it's not a straight purple. I wonder if that was a conscious decision (probably) and why that is.

            I do like Inspirations.

          2. AnnL | Sep 25, 2003 09:28pm | #12

            There's no fuschia.  Or, it could be more of a hunter green or forest green.   Or turquoise.  Jade?  Indigo?AnnL; MotherHen/Hobby Farmer

          3. Theodora | Sep 27, 2003 03:20am | #17

            How about persimmon? Or puce. Does anyone really know what puce is? Here, we are "Inspired," we can design our own scheme!

            http://simbut.future.easyspace.com/HTML/rgb.htm

            http://home.i1.net/~dwolfe/hexmixer/index.html

            "Our whole American way of life is a great war of ideas, and librarians are the arms dealers selling weapons to both sides."-James Quinn

          4. rreeger | Sep 30, 2003 10:37pm | #18

            How about "Wall Talk" as in, "If these walls could talk..."??  The color doesn't bother me, but then again, I am a guy!

          5. Fledge | Sep 30, 2003 11:14pm | #19

            There is a new magazine? And no one told us? Mark...what diss here about?

            I am house hunting, selling and painting.

            Fledge

            "...my home is going to sell within 30 days for a whole bunch over our asking price" (thats somewhere between asking price and fantasy island)

             

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            SYSOP | Oct 01, 2003 05:23pm | #20

            Thats great! Yes there is a new magazine called inspired house which will be shipping out to subscribers/ Newstand shortly.

            -Mark

            P.S. Click on the link above to get more info about the inspired house project.

            SYSOP[email protected]

            Edited 10/8/2003 4:50:02 PM ET by SYSOP

          7. Fledge | Oct 02, 2003 05:18pm | #22

            Okie dokie, will do.

            Do we get to post our murals in the maggie? hahahahaha

            Don't worry, I don't have that much nerve.

            "...my home is going to sell within 30 days for a whole bunch over our asking price" (thats somewhere between asking price and fantasy island)

             

          8. bobhallsr | Oct 03, 2003 06:09am | #28

            Hey Mark, we had lunch just last week and you didn't tell me about the house cat or the new mag.  Holdin' out on me, man?  Wooops, that's House Chat. Well, we did walk out to the car to meet the Azul cat.

            BJGardening, cooking and woodworking in Southern Maryland

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            SYSOP | Oct 03, 2003 06:53pm | #29

            Sorry BJ its just that there is so much going on here these days that I have trouble keeping track of it all myself. We weren't hiding anything we have had the Inspired House site live for a while now.  Next time we do lunch I'll be sure to give you the inside scoop on everything we are doing...;)

            We just got our copies here on Wed. the new issue looks great! Be sure to Subscribe!... And don't forget to tell all of your friends, family and anyone you meet about Inspired House!

            P.S. It was nice to meet the famous Azul!SYSOP[email protected]

          10. JoanneB17 | Oct 02, 2003 09:47pm | #23

            I don't like the word "chat" because it implies, well, chat rooms or shallow conversation. Of course THAT isn't what we do here, it it?;)

            How about just House Talk? Or House Files. Or About the House. Or....

            oops, I meant to ALL, but hi anyway, full-fledged!

            Edited 10/2/2003 2:49:00 PM ET by Jo

          11. Theodora | Oct 03, 2003 12:19am | #24

            We could have a folder for rants named House Grouse, or Castle Hassle."Our whole American way of life is a great war of ideas, and librarians are the arms dealers selling weapons to both sides."-James Quinn

          12. JoanneB17 | Oct 03, 2003 04:43am | #25

            Cute! Or Home Groan.

          13. CTI | Oct 03, 2003 05:17am | #26

            I don't care what you call it (These Walls Talk!) but what is non-intuitive to me is the placement of these chat areas. They should be right underneath the corresponding magazine in the banner IMO. Where you put Tool Talk, I don't know. Regardless, I am looking forward to your new publication.

          14. Fledge | Oct 11, 2003 07:33pm | #71

            HIya Jo!

            "...my home is going to sell within 30 days for a whole bunch over our asking price" (thats somewhere between asking price and fantasy island)

             

          15. Fledge | Oct 11, 2003 07:45pm | #72

            Open House sounds good....will there be food? Gotta have food.  Do we get to decorate seasonly too?

            "...my home is going to sell within 30 days for a whole bunch over our asking price" (thats somewhere between asking price and fantasy island)

             

          16. mulch52 | Oct 13, 2003 01:12am | #77

            hey, there's a folder named "The Hearth."  Is that where Taunton wants our Ipke-like threads to go?  Maybe I'll go find out.Sent my "yup, send it to me" card today. 

          17. bobhallsr | Oct 03, 2003 06:03am | #27

            Where's this bad biege and even worse curtains?  I'm so confuuused.  There's a new mag?

            BJGardening, cooking and woodworking in Southern Maryland

          18. MissD | Oct 08, 2003 06:28am | #30

            Most of the "house" magazines I see, show and write about huge houses with huge rooms, huge furniture and huge yards. I wish someone would concentrate on the "regular" size rooms, etc.  I know there are many of us who live in smaller homes, apartments, townhouses, etc.  I live in a TH and would love to talk about new designs, paints, dividers from kitchen to living room etc. 

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            SYSOP | Oct 08, 2003 05:50pm | #31

            Rip,

            That is more along the lines of what Inspired House is all about. Sarah Susanka Author of The Not so big House is one of the contributing editors for IH magazine. So you will see a good amount of that type of information within the pages of Inspired House. We just got the first issue and it looks great!

            -MarkSYSOP[email protected]

          20. thebttmline | Oct 08, 2003 11:22pm | #32

            More on the name ideas ('cause House Chat could really use something better)...

            If gardeners talk Over The Fence and builders talk during BreakTime, wouldn't homeonwers talk on the Front Porch or maybe in the Living Room??

            playing in the dirt in beautiful East Tennessee, zone 6B

          21. Tish | Oct 08, 2003 11:54pm | #33

            Steve, my preference is to talk at the kitchen table.  But then I have no porch to speak of.

            Since I moved in, the kitchen is the only room I've gotten around to repainting.  And I still haven't finished.  Boy do I need this magazine. 

          22. user-7006886 | Oct 09, 2003 06:13am | #34

            Good ideas, Steve.

             

          23. Wolvie | Oct 09, 2003 02:33pm | #35

            yeah per normal, drat the boy. ;-)Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.

          24. RuthWells | Oct 09, 2003 03:32pm | #36

            Good suggestions, Steve.  How 'bout homeowners gathering to chat at an Open House?

            Ruth Wells

            "Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job." - G.B. Shaw

          25. CTI | Oct 09, 2003 04:27pm | #37

            Open House

            Bingo!

          26. user-7006886 | Oct 09, 2003 06:03pm | #38

            I like it!

             

          27. RuthWells | Oct 09, 2003 06:11pm | #39

            Let's see if we can get Sysop on board.... Sysop, where are you?

            Ruth Wells

            "Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job." - G.B. Shaw

          28. thebttmline | Oct 09, 2003 06:14pm | #40

            i like it!

            playing in the dirt in beautiful East Tennessee, zone 6B

          29. AnnL | Oct 09, 2003 06:41pm | #41

            Another vote for Open House!  :-) AnnL; MotherHen/Hobby Farmer

          30. RuthWells | Oct 09, 2003 06:42pm | #42

            My goodness!  I feel like I should make a speech, or something...

            (Thankyou, thankyouverymuch!)  <spoken in an Elvis mumble>

            Ruth Wells

            "Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job." - G.B. Shaw

          31. user-7006886 | Oct 09, 2003 08:02pm | #43

            Yeeees! Speech! (al least until Sysop comes by). OK, here is a dummy question to fill the time while waiting for the big change. What does Sysop stand for? I never had the nerve to ask before, but it will be interesting to hear the truth.

             

          32. AnnL | Oct 09, 2003 08:07pm | #44

            Sysop=System Operator.  He's the one that's responsible for the technology that keeps these forums running.  He installs the software, configures it, resolves problems, installs updates, works with Prospero on fixes and enhancements, etc.  He's da man!  :-)

            AnnL; MotherHen/Hobby Farmer

          33. user-7006886 | Oct 09, 2003 08:13pm | #45

            Why not S.O. then? Is there an IT person or is this one and the same?

             

          34. AnnL | Oct 09, 2003 08:24pm | #46

            Well, I don't work for Taunton, so I shouldn't be jumping in here, but, what the heck.   Mark could be I.T., it depends on the size of the company and how they define the different responsibilities.  IT is usually the person who is responsible for the computer equipment used BY it's employees.  So, I am a computer programmer, but I work on the equipment that my company's customers use, the equipment we sell.   When my laptop has a problem or if I need the latest virus update, I go to the IT department. 

            So, Mark could be part of the IT department, he could be the whole IT department, or might not have anything to do with IT.  Clear as mud, eh?  ;-)

            I'm sure Mark will come along at some point and answer your questions.  AnnL; MotherHen/Hobby Farmer

          35. Tish | Oct 10, 2003 12:02am | #47

            So Ann, are you saying that Mark has *IT*?  or is he the *IT guy* for our generation? 

            Eroom, the term Sysop goes back a long ways, certainly predating Taunton's online presence.  If we called him our S.O., our significant others might want to know what we're doing here-- especially if our sysop is the *IT* guy.

             

          36. user-7006886 | Oct 10, 2003 12:52am | #48

            Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. We can't give out any clues! :-)

             

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            SYSOP | Oct 10, 2003 02:56pm | #49

            O.K. since you asked heres the explanation:

            SYSOP is systems operator as Anne pointed out. This was a handle that our old forums used for the person in charge of the forums. These Prospero forums use another term which I didn't really like so when we changed I kept the SYSOP handle. What is my job hmmm that's a tough one to answer, No I do not work for IT (although sometimes I feel like I do) I work for Taunton New Media and although we work very closely with the IT department we are separate groups. We design the look and feel and build all the pages and communicate with our Taunton customers. They build the "back end" of the site, the behind the scenes stuff that users don't see but that make the site functional. My background is in Photography and Graphics I worked for Tauntons Prepress department for 15 years doing the Color work for the magazines until I became a Web geek. So when I cam over to the web some of my early responsibilities where making the graphics for our website look the best they could but then one day someone went on vacation and said can you "watch" the forums while I am out so I said sure and when they returned the forums stayed my responsibility that's how I came to be SYSOP.

            As far as the forums go we work with the different interest areas to make the forums work but the decisions about things like Colors names and the rest are made by the interest area that "owns" the forums. For instance Inspired House Magazine owns House Chat. So any changes to names color etc are made by them and their design folks although we can recommend certain things we leave it up to them to make the final decisions as it is their forum. But when there is problems it is me here in New Media that works with Prospero to make things right.

            So there you have it the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth! At least for the most part...

            Mark (AKA SYSOP) Not the "IT" guy...SYSOP[email protected]

          38. Wolvie | Oct 10, 2003 03:38pm | #51

            color, eh? Could you go and give the FC folks some help?? Their reds and greens have been off now for about a year. ;-)Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.

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            SYSOP | Oct 10, 2003 04:58pm | #53

            Well I would like to say its because I left the prepress group but that was more than a year ago...

            SYSOP[email protected]

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            IMERC | Oct 11, 2003 10:45am | #70

            But why the Hospital Green??? 

            Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

          41. andybuildz | Oct 31, 2003 12:31pm | #82

            Hey IMERC

                     I thought Mark was spose to watch us ball busters over at BT.....now I know where he's been spending his time..........with the ladies here.....in house chat.....teehee..house chat.dainty sounding ain't it?

            Be well

                      andy

            edit: I think they should call this," You want me to do what, Bwahahahha????"

            My life is my practice!

            http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM

            Edited 10/31/2003 5:34:27 AM ET by Andy Clifford(Andybuildz)

            Edited 10/31/2003 5:35:12 AM ET by Andy Clifford(Andybuildz)

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            IMERC | Nov 01, 2003 07:50am | #83

            Did you catch this???

            http://forums.taunton.com/tp-housechat/messages?msg=30.27

            Can you blame him? He just looking to see who slipped out of the corral and gonna herd us back. 

            Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

          43. andybuildz | Nov 01, 2003 04:53pm | #84

            herd us back in..back into where? We're just mavericks and wild stallions that can't be controlled....deleted maybe.

            BE well

                     andyMy life is my practice!

            http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM

          44. RuthWells | Oct 10, 2003 03:55pm | #52

            For instance Inspired House Magazine owns House Chat.

            So who do we petition to change the name from "House Chat" to "Open House"?  Are you sure you don't want to be our IT guy?

            ; )

            Ruth Wells

            "Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job." - G.B. Shaw

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            SYSOP | Oct 10, 2003 05:01pm | #54

            That would be Anne your House Chat Moderator. I just trained her on the forums stuff the other day so she should be along any time now to introduce herself...

            I'll be your IT guy if you buy a subscription to IH... ;)SYSOP[email protected]

          46. RuthWells | Oct 10, 2003 05:20pm | #55

            Wow, you're cheap!!  ; )

            I'm waiting to buy the first issue on the newstand, and then will decide about subscribing...

            Ruth Wells

            "Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job." - G.B. Shaw

          47. thebttmline | Oct 10, 2003 05:56pm | #59

            "I'm waiting to buy the first issue on the newstand, and then will decide about subscribing.."

            You know you can "subscribe risk free" if you want. You can do so from the Inspired House web page. They'll send you an issue and a bill. You then pay the bill if you like it or cancel it if you don't.

            playing in the dirt in beautiful East Tennessee, zone 6B

          48. RuthWells | Oct 10, 2003 06:16pm | #61

            But does the "risk-free" include the box to check to make Sysop my IT guy?

            Oh never mind, eroom beat me to it...

            ;)

            Ruth Wells

            "Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job." - G.B. Shaw

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            SYSOP | Oct 10, 2003 06:44pm | #62

            You bet!SYSOP[email protected]

          50. AnnL | Oct 10, 2003 06:47pm | #63

            I've subscribed weeks ago when the webpage first came up, so I beat Eroom!  ;-)  But, ladies, I think we can share...I'm sure Mark can handle it.  

            AnnL; MotherHen/Hobby Farmer

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            SYSOP | Oct 10, 2003 07:03pm | #64

            You give me far to much credit...SYSOP[email protected]

          52. RuthWells | Oct 10, 2003 07:11pm | #65

            Oh dear, he's blushing.

            Ruth Wells

            "Gardening is the only unquestionably useful job." - G.B. Shaw

          53. Tish | Oct 10, 2003 10:40pm | #67

            I'm sure Mark can handle it.  

            As the classic shampoo ads made clear-- If you've got *it* you can handle anything.

             

          54. user-7006886 | Oct 10, 2003 05:34pm | #57

            I just subscribed! You know what that means, then. Also, will I be getting the first issue or do I have to buy it at the stand? What was or is the cut-off for the first issue being sent?

          55. User avater
            SYSOP | Oct 10, 2003 05:41pm | #58

            I believe that your subscription should start with the premier issue but I will go check to confirm that. -MSYSOP[email protected]

          56. User avater
            SYSOP | Oct 10, 2003 06:13pm | #60

            Well I just checked and yes you will receive the premiere issue and also become a charter subscriber by starting with issue #1. It looks like subs will start with issue #1 for some time to come. We will post on the IH web site when that changes.SYSOP[email protected]

          57. user-7006886 | Oct 10, 2003 08:56pm | #66

            That is fabulous! Charter member and one of the charter users of the new forum. Tessa beat us to the first charter user. I wasn't really sure about which issue, or how long I would have to wait for it, because the information said that they would send me the "next" issue. Thanks, Mark!

            Now, Ruth, I really don't mind sharing the, I mean, "our" IT man.

             

          58. user-7006886 | Oct 10, 2003 05:29pm | #56

            Thank you very much, SYSOP. That is very interesting. The real truth is very enlightening. This site is very nice! We all appreciate everything you do. Thanks, Mark.

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            IMERC | Oct 11, 2003 10:37am | #69

            As I undersand it each forum has their own moderator, policeman and hIT guy.

            Jim Kidd is over at BT 

            Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

          60. AnnL | Oct 11, 2003 11:56pm | #73

            Yes, each forum has it's own moderator, but there's only one Sysop for all of us. 

            AnnL; MotherHen/Hobby Farmer

          61. Theodora | Oct 12, 2003 01:41am | #74

            So I wonder if I went to the IH website and subscribed now, would it be weeks before I got the first issue?"Our whole American way of life is a great war of ideas, and librarians are the arms dealers selling weapons to both sides."-James Quinn

          62. Wolvie | Oct 12, 2003 03:08pm | #75

            I subscribed for the charter issue and have not yet received it. :-(

            I think I may have to contact Taunton soon. I even pre-paid. That was probably my mistake!!Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.

          63. AnnL | Oct 12, 2003 03:29pm | #76

            Yes, I pre-paid, also.  Haven't gotten my issue, yet, but neither have I seen it on the newstands.  Hopefully, it will come this week. 

            AnnL; MotherHen/Hobby Farmer

          64. User avater
            SYSOP | Oct 20, 2003 10:41pm | #79

            That is correct. I am the sorda moderator for the Sandbox though. Does that mean I do double duty. I guess so.

            Been out of the "house" for the past week on Vaca but am now back in the "house"... -MSYSOP[email protected]

          65. Fledge | Oct 21, 2003 01:00am | #80

            Welcome back.  You were very popular while you were gone.

            Reality  check.....30 days is up.Le Sigh

          66. Wolvie | Oct 10, 2003 03:35pm | #50

            I'm sure you'll get to it. ;-0

            Good name!!Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.

          67. MissD | Oct 11, 2003 06:24am | #68

            Mark, thank you for describing your position and offering a clear separation of the different companies/entities.   You're doing a super job and we wouldn't be able to be here without you nor would this site. 

            You are a geek, in the best sense of the word. 

          68. User avater
            SYSOP | Oct 20, 2003 10:39pm | #78

            Rip,

            I'll take that as a compliment, (the geek part) thanks...

            MarkSYSOP[email protected]

      3. Perennialguy | Oct 24, 2003 06:00pm | #81

        True, if you want men to join the 'chat' don't use the word 'chat.'  How about 'House Huddle-Up" or just 'House Talk' 'Houseworks"

        Perennialguy

    2. TessaK | Sep 25, 2003 03:35pm | #6

      Thanks Kindly Sir. Now, about that beige... :)

      1. Theodora | Sep 25, 2003 03:57pm | #7

        I think it's khaki, even worse...........on the other hand it does make me think of coffee."Our whole American way of life is a great war of ideas, and librarians are the arms dealers selling weapons to both sides."-James Quinn

        1. Newf | Sep 26, 2003 12:56pm | #15

          ...I think it's more closely an interpretation of  light medium beige-green, and it matches ALL my pants, so...I'm rather  fond of  it!

          But those curtains...they HAVE to go...And that upholstery on the chaise lounge next to the armoire!!!! What WERE they thinking...

          And the lighting...well...

          ...<g>...

          TTFNPeace

          Newf

          Sometimes, when you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

          Pooh

          1. RJMR | Sep 26, 2003 02:57pm | #16

            Magazine looks great based on the preview, esp. with articles by Sarah Susanka and Paige Dickey.  So I subscribed.  Just what I need another subscription…

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      IMERC | Sep 26, 2003 08:42am | #14

      House Chat??? You folks can do better than this. Now we have talking houses.

      The colors ya'all picked!!! You guys hit the bottom of the Crayola box? 

      Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

      1. ANDYBUILD | Mar 26, 2004 02:37pm | #85

        Heyyyyyyyyy....what are you and Boss Hog doing over here? We're spreading ourselves a lil thin doncha think?

        Be on the other side of the fence

                                                               andy"My life is my practice"

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          IMERC | Mar 26, 2004 02:58pm | #86

          I quit coming in here a long time ago and I'm gone again...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....                                        WOW!!!   What a Ride!

          1. ANDYBUILD | Mar 26, 2004 03:09pm | #87

            me2"My life is my practice"

  2. AnnL | Sep 25, 2003 02:43pm | #4

    I agree, the beige has to go.  That's one of my biggest complaints when I look at pics of houses in design magazines--everyone decorates in shades of beige/brown/tan and it's all so blah looking.  I can  understand not wanting lots of color, but at least a little bit! 

    I've already signed up for the mag and I'm anxiously awaiting delivery.

    AnnL; MotherHen/Hobby Farmer
    1. Wolvie | Sep 25, 2003 03:28pm | #5

      I signed up for the mag as well - timely - just as I am going to be building!!

      as for a forum name: Inspired meanderings? ;-)

      Or one of the actual folder names: Design Talk.

      Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.

      Edited 9/25/2003 8:33:03 AM ET by Wolvie

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        BossHog | Sep 25, 2003 05:24pm | #8

        Dang, Wolvie - I ain't seen your name around in a long time.

        You been avoidin' us over at Breaktime ???Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. [Ronald Reagan]

        1. Wolvie | Sep 26, 2003 12:52am | #13

          Yes! ;-)

          Got a bit to ..... shrubby for me. That's about as nice as I can be about it. I do miss a lot of the guys, tho.Nothing valuable can be lost by taking time - Abe Lincoln.

  3. ak373 | Oct 01, 2003 11:50pm | #21

    If we imported some of the political threads from Breaktime Tavern and darken up the beige a little we could call it the Mud Room...

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