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Life in a coffee cup

| Posted in General Discussion on November 15, 2002 02:08am

There are a number of ‘can-o-worms’ threads on this site. I think I will be opening up another one…

I built a small outbuilding (garage/shop) this summer that I have been planning to stucco. I am in a northern climate (Toronto), but it does not need the insulating properties of the plastic stucco over foam approach.

My plan was/is to to a traditional stucco over wire lath (over tar paper). Currently the structure is sheathed in 1/2″ CDX.

My neighbor just built a new house and had the stucco over foam done on it. The contractor gave me a quote for my building (670 Sq foot area) of $4500 CDN (gasp!).

Even after all the horror stories about this stucco technique in our climate, I am considering it for two reasons.

One, I can have it done now, whereas I won’t have time myself until spring.

Two, these guys are pros and even though I’m ok with a trowel, I’m not thaaaat good.

So I have three questions.

What do you guys really think about the stucco over foam technique, material etc? Personally I think it is like living in a coffee cup, but..

Secondly, does $4500 CDN (about $2900 US), sound like a reasonable quote? This is a one story structure, easy access to all surfaces, no special moldings, only a couple of openings to work around.

Finally, If I were to approach the contractor about doing all of the prep myself, such as paper, installing and scuffing the foam. How much, in your opinion, could I talk him down? I would like to hire these guys for their real skill, not the grunt work.

 

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  1. ReinTaul | Nov 16, 2002 07:40am | #1

    Just shaking the bait up to the surface...

    1. finebuilder | Nov 16, 2002 08:38am | #2

      It never hurts to just ask; explain what you are willing to do and see it they take the bait. (trying to stick w/ your fishing analogies)  ]:-)

                                          Miami

    2. RalphWicklund | Nov 16, 2002 08:42am | #3

      You might think that the preparation is just "grunt work" but in reality it is the heart of the job. I wouldn't offer any guarantee for finish work done over anyone elses prep. Water has a nasty habit of showing up under EIFS and completely ruining the structure. Proper flashing with an effective drainage plane for water that does get thru is imperative.

      You need a contractor with knowledge, experience and insurance in force just in case.

      1. ReinTaul | Nov 16, 2002 07:46pm | #6

        Thanks for the feedback.

        I did not mean to diminish the importance of proper prep.  I have a good knowledge of how to flash and maintain the drainage plain behind the stucco. 

        My goal was to pay the big bucks for the experienced hands on the finishing.

        I understand a contractor's reflectance to expose themselves to someone else's work.  I think I will discuss this with these guys and look for a middle ground.

        Given that this is my home and I have long term intentions of owning it, I will be looking for quality in my own work as well as the contractor's.

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    G80104 | Nov 16, 2002 05:52pm | #4

    I had Stucco  done on my present home 2yrs ago & I don't think the price has changed much. Traditional stucco with wire mesh on 1" foam with acrylic textured top coat (from 5gal buckets) . $3.50 per sq.ft. U.S.  Most of the EIFS problems were caused by wrong flashing and no paper behind the foam. The traditional is a harder finish. Stands up better with kids,golf ball & woodpeckers!

    1. mercer88 | Nov 16, 2002 06:37pm | #5

      Every commercial building seems to have gone to stucco over popcorn insulation.  My take on it is throw a baseball at it.  The result will tell you traditional is far superior.  Price seems reasonable.

    2. ReinTaul | Nov 16, 2002 07:48pm | #7

      Yeah, I would prefer traditional too. Finding a contractor who isn't pushing the new stuff is proving to be harder than I thought...

      I guess I could wait until spring, rather than rush into something I don't really want.

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