I received a quote last week for materials (not installation) on a McElroy metal roof (their Maxima line) – $8,120 for an approximately 21 square roof (about $386 sq) – Ouch!!!!!
The quote includes 24 guage Kynar 500 painted panels, delivery, mechanical seamer lease, and everything needed for installation down to the caulk, tape, and boot for the waste vent.
I have low-slope roof, 2/12, so I had to go with a 2-inch rib that is mechanically seamed. However, the roof has no hips or valleys that might add to the materials cost.
I love the look of metal and the leak protection I think it would provide, but given the high cost, I’m thinking about covering the entire roof with I & W Shield and going with shingles. Aside from the potential for leaks on my low-slope, my other concern about shingles is the fungus the grows on them – Seems like every shingled roof in town is discolored from it.
I’ve looked at Certainteed’s new Centennial Slate line which is supposed to have lifetime warranty (not that I put much stock in warranties). I haven’t priced it yet, but I can’t imagine it’s near $386 a square.
We’re not looking to leave this house anytime soon, so I’m wanting something that will last for the long haul. What would you do?
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If you're staying put for awhile,I'd go with the metal.You'll have the satisfaction of knowing it's leak free and won't stain up and look like crap.
Even with Grace over the whole roof 2/12 is an iffy prop. for shingles.
Cost per year over the life span of the two would likely favor the metal.
Hoosier,
I don't think thats all that much for metal. In our area its hitting $700. a square.
And I agree, if you're staying in the house, go with the metal. If you are moving in two years, shingle it!
Mike
C'mon, Mike. Who are you buying 24 gage prefinished roofing products from at $700 per square? We are talking about the materials package here. Just the metal, and maybe some accessories like fasteners and foam closures.
Gene,
I'm not a roofer just the building contractor but the two jobs we've had that have "speced" this type of roofing, the roofing subs have given me these prices. That is materials and labor.
I should have said that included labor in my original post...Sorry
Mike
Edited 8/6/2006 2:53 pm ET by Oak River Mike
That is fairly high for metal... I did a 24ga standing seam/Kynar 500 this summer, materials about $260/square including all of the flashings, fasteners, etc. This was not a hand-seamed roof but a snap-loc type. Are you getting your quote from a roofing wholesaler, from the manufacturer, a lumberyard, or where?
I dealt directly with a McElroy rep at first, buy when it came to getting a price, they put me in contact with an independent distributer in Indianapolis. I thought the price seemed high for metal at first, but I searched some more recent threads here and it didn't seem out of line based on what others were paying.
I was trying to look at from an economic perspective, metal vs. shingles - For $8k, seems like I could replace the shingles a couple times or more and equal the life of the metal.
On the other hand, if the shingles ended up leaking in short order, I'm sure I would wish I had gone with the metal. The current shingle roof is leaking, and there are only two penetrations in the whole roof, furnace vent and waste vent. The former owner had the roof put on, so I know it's at least 7 years old, but I don't think it's more than 10 years old. It was also evident from ceiling drywall damage that the shingle roof that preceded the current one also leaked.
The current roof appears to be a cheap 20 year shingle, and I suspect it was installed on 15lb. felt - The former owner did everything low-quality. So, it's probably surprising it's lasted as long as it has.
Your choices are false. It's a 2 in 12 slope. Shingles are not an option.Your choices are metal, EPDM, or others that have been recommended here on BT (Polyglass???).Be sure the manufacturer of the metal roof you are considering approves of it's use on such a low slope. Not all of them do.Rich BeckmanAnother day, another tool.
Edited 8/6/2006 12:19 pm by RichBeckman
Thanks. I have EPDM on an even lower sloped porch roof section, but the main roof is visiable from the road, so appearance is a factor. The metal line I'm looking at is definately rated for 2/12 (I believe it goes down at least 1/12). I'm looking at a 2" rib, but they have a 3" rib that good for slopes down to 1/4:12.
Most dimensional shingles are rated for 2/12 roofs if installed over a double layer of 30# felt or I&WS. You are correct about 3 tabs.http://www.certainteed.com/NR/rdonlyres/68B200A2-0892-4510-B27D-E5C6FC88F0B4/0/SAMv7_ch15_Laminated.pdf
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Edited 8/6/2006 12:49 pm ET by seeyou
Wow, what a coincidence. I guess I did make the right choice considering my options.
We did IandW the whole thing, but I was short by 2 rolls...so lucky I had 4 rolls of 30lb deliverd with the order.
Kinda glad Los guys did a noshow today, I think I need the rest. I am more mentally tired than physically strapped...there seems to be quite a bit of stress when ya realize you just opened the roof to GOD and it is YOUR house.
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I haven't ever looked into the slope limits of other types of metal roofing, but I'd suggest you talk to a roofing wholesaler and see if they can supply a snap-lock type standing seam material that can be installed on your house. Like I said above, the 24-gauge I used recently was $260 per square (materials only) and I could have gotten 26-gauge for maybe $210 or so. There may be other choices than the McElroy. As is said around these parts, they sound mighty proud of their stuff.
Also, are you planning to install? There is quite a bit of skill involved in getting metal roofing on there correctly. I have done one simple shed in metal but leave the real work to good roofers. If you're going to do a hand-seam yourself you must be da' man.
David, will you please post us some pics on the photo gallery here of your fully-roofed shop and studio?
I really enjoyed doing the metal roof install on a new house completed a couple years ago.
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It was 24 ga, by Fabral, the 12-inch width version of what is shown above, and Fabral specifies it down to a 1:12 pitch. Bought well before the huge jumpup in steel prices, the package, complete with flashing and accessories, cost me roughly $170 per square.
Gene-
I assume the Fabral panel you're referring to is the snap-lock variety? Do you happen to know anything about Fabral's paint coatings? The Kynar 500 coating sounds like the high-quality standard.
Dave -
I was definitely going to do the snap-lock myself, but when McElroy said I had to go with mechanically seamed . . . well, that was scaring me off. The distributor has hooked me up with an installer to get a quote on the install, but he also assured me it wasn't rocket science, and that "if I (the distributer) can do it, anyone can." The ribs are preformed to overlap, and from there, it just appears to be a matter of running the electric seamer up the joint. Of course, I may be over simplfying and someone with more experience may differ.
Fabral's paint system for the SSR (Standing Seam Rib) product line is something called "Enduracote 2000."
If it was Kynar they would have said so. It might be something like a siliconized polyester.
Gene, here's an early morning shot, not the best. It's all done now but my roofer had a struggle getting this side on. It's 12" panels, but after about 20 of them were on they realized that the layout had grown to about 20'-6"--the dormer would not center and the last panel would be very small. They cursed me but I had them remove it and move it over. Cost me a few new pieces of material and some tense moments. The roof is exactly 36' long and the dormer is 20' exactly centered in it, so it's obviously gotta center.
I suppose I could have installed this myself, but they are very good at their metal detailing, there are four of them (as opposed to two of us) and they have the gear to work steep pitches. You cannot safely walk anywhere on this roof.
Great looking building, David!
Now, in a brand new thread you can start, over in the "photo gallery" section, let's see a whole portfolio of detail photos showing the inside and outside, plus some wideangle room shots, exterior elevations, etc.
Wait for one of those rare sunny days. ;-)
It's been sunny every day for about 3 months and I'm worried my well is going to dry up. That shot was before sunrise.
Dave-
Great looking building and roof. The roof is exactly the look I'm going for. Who was the maker/supplier of your panels?
Hoosier, I see you are in Indiana. Being there, it is highly unlikely that David's panel maker has distribution all the way back as far east as you are. David is in the very top left corner of Washington.
Fabral is a possibility for you, and I see from their website that Carter Lumber is their dealer in all the parts of Indiana they cover. Don't you have a Carter Lumber near you?
I did a roofing job like David's using Fabral's 1-1/2" x 12" snap-together standing seam panel called SSR. Carter Lumber will be happy to quote you a complete package.
What you will need is Fabral's guidebook for installation and specifications, that will show you how to figure all your materials, your flashings and accessories, and put together your entire package for pricing and delivery.
Gene -
Thanks for the response. I do have a Carter Lumber within 15-20 miles from me. I did see them on Fabral's Web site as a supplier and was planning to give them a call as well as send them a completed copy of Fabral's order form.
http://www.nuraymetals.com/pr/profiles/index.html
Scroll down a little bit to 'Series 5000'. They have 24 gauge and 26 gauge, depending on the color you want. The roof in the photos is 'Pre-weathered Zinc.' It looks quite dark in the photo but when the sun is on it it's very, very bright.
As far as I know, metal roofing is a fairly regional thing, i.e. you buy from a nearby producer, or someone with regional distribution. Shipping from WA to IA would probably be a major expense. Metal roofing is common here, partly because of the agricultural influence... lots of barns with metal roofs and people started to use them on homes also. We have at least four producers in WA that I can think of, probably several more that I haven't met yet. Anyway, that roof was manufactured about 70 miles away.
That is one sharp looking structure!
In the interest of full disclosure, the other side is only partly done. I finished the three sides visible from the road so that people will think I'm a builder who completes his projects promptly. The fourth side is awaiting doors. My wife calls it the Disneyland effect, where the part you can see is done and the rest isn't even there.
Thanks for the nice comments. It was designed by a local designer who often does major vacation homes for the rich and famous. It's a simple building but he has a great sense of size and shape, and it's way better that I stick to banging nails and let guys like him draw plans.
A couple of other comments, and then I'll stop hijacking.
The window trim details are per your drawings sent to me. It's a very, very slick way of installing b&b. I'll get together some photos of that down the road a bit.
The final siding color is significantly darker, to match the usual brown/grey weathered barns around here. There's one coat of semi-trans oil stain at the moment.
certanteed won't give you any warrantee at all on a 2/12
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>>>>>>>certanteed won't give you any warrantee at all on a 2/12They say they will, as does GAF, and I think OC. Dimensionals, not 3 tabs, and they must be installed over ice and water shield or a dbl layer of #30 felt. I posted a link to Certainteed's installation manual in this thread.
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I see that link.Suprised me. I still would not do it in snow or wind country. Maybe over a porch roof, but not the whole baby
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Another consideration is whether you want your whole roof covered with ice and water shield.There is lots of discussion wheter it's a good idea or not.
The only upside I can see to shingles is a lower initial cost-but the downsides are numerous.