What is this mooney wall that I’m hearing so much about? I’ve tried to find it on the internet, but I don’t come up with anything. Is it known by another name? What are it’s advantages? Thanks
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If I'm not mistaken (and I may be) The Mooney wall is a wall where the studs are offset. Consider a 2x4 top and bottom plate with studs that are 2x3. These studs are spaced at 12 inches but against oppostie edges of the top and bottom plates. Therefore you have studs against the interior that are spaced on 24" centers and also studs on the exterior at 24" centers. (Would be easier if I knew how to post a diagram)
On my house which is traditionally framed 2x4 walls with FG batts in the bays, on cold and humid mornings you can easily identify where the studs are on the outside of the house because they telegraph through the siding and there is no condensation or frost in vertical stripes where the studs have transferred heat through from the inside. The MOONEY wall solves this problem by providing a continous shield of insulation that weaves between the offset studs. There used to be a poster here (Eugene Leger- don't know if he still hangs around) - he wrote a book called "Complete Building Construction". I bought a copy and there is a description of it in there- along with lots of other good stuff for those that are interested but don't work in the trades.
I have heard some complaints from guys re the 24" spacing on interior walls and hanging sheetrock. I read that it's more difficult to get a flat plane with the rock with 24" centers on the interior studs rather than 16" centers. Since I've never worked with it, can't comment. But if I ever build a new house, I will either go with SIPS or this type of wall. Pack this thing with cellulose and I'm sure it makes a pretty efficient barrier.
My question would be how do you frame door and window openings and headers. I guess in this example you would frame those with the same size lumber as the top and bottom plates so that things will hang properly.
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I've also heard of it called a Trome (or Tromb) wall. I remember building one for sound abatement several years back in a doctor's office.
Mike
mike .. a trombe wall is a term from the '70's.. it refers to a "heat sotrage wall" set in the path of the sun's winter rays inside a building.. it often had water-mass containers..
it would absorb heat during the day and release it at night..
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
mike .. a trombe wall is a term from the '70's.. it refers to a "heat sotrage wall" set in the path of the sun's winter rays inside a building.. it often had water-mass containers..
Yeah, a trombe is a passive solar strategy. Always seemed a bit odd to me. Some of them are designed to have a whole wall of glass in front of them, shinning onto the water-filled (or sometimes just concrete) wall...creating a greenhouse like space between the glazing and wall (just a few inches between glazing and wall). Seems like the long way 'round the barn to me. Other tombe's simply had water-filled containers in the path of regular window sunlight. The water absorbs the sunlight's heat during the day and then releases it into the room at night.
Mike Smith, I'm surprised you didn't say anything to original poster's question. thought you were one of the champions of the Mooney. ;)
jt8
Mike Smith, I'm surprised you didn't say anything to original poster's question. thought you were one of the champions of the Mooney. ;)
Hes a piece of work alright. I got tickled over the same thought. But , Boss did post the threads. He didnt need to say anything so he didnt I guess and neither did I.
Mikes the one who designed the wall for Breaktimers to see it . He dont say that either but I do.
Tim Mooney
sometimes i think we should see oursels as other see us.. ..
i think robert bruce said that.. or sorta...
i'll give you a " piece of work".. have you made your reservations for JoyceFest yet ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Not yet . Are you for sure goin? I havent read the thread in a while.
Edit ;
I went back and the thread was untouched. Thers not a date. Toledo Ohio . I didnt know it was the windy city either cept a long time ago I asked where it was cause Calvin had it on tag.
DW was POed we didnt come to yours. I wouldnt take off my stupid job. I asked the other day bout this one and she said go for it . As long as we can get a flight in , its not a big deal. I didnt respond mainly because of the date not set . Its still a long time off and I figgure there will be several threads if it holds up.
I dont know anything , but I would guess the airport thing helps make them well attended. We were flying quite a bit and I took notice that fares to several cities are quite cheap no matter where their location in distance. I think Baltimore has been our cheapest flight and its a good ways off from here. The rooms are out of sight however. They are nice though over looking the bay. That part was awsome , much like the pic you posted of the bridge. New Orleans is another good destination. Air fare , rooms , eating , and fair taxis.
Ill see about the airport connections to Toledo.
Tim Mooney
Edited 12/23/2004 3:03 pm ET by Tim Mooney
"JoyceFest"
what'd I miss now?
thread??
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry in Carpentry
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Mike,
Ah-ha! Thank you! I knew I remembered the name from somewhere just couldn't place the term. I even did a huge study paper in college on the Trome wall for an engineering class I had. You think I should have remembered?
Well college was 12 years ago and I only got a B in the class. Maybe thats why?
Thanks
Mike