We have threads called “Most common errors made by builders” and “Most common errors made by architects”.
So why not a thread about the most common errors made by Breaktimers?
Obviously I don’t personally have anything to contribute, since I don’t make mistakes. But I figured most of you would have plenty to post about.
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When you lick a stamp, you consume 1/10 of a calorie. But I’m calorie free.
Think about that.
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My most common error is hitting the "reply" button.
blue
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keep looking for customers who want to hire YOU.. all the rest are looking for commodities.. are you a commodity ?... if you get sucked into "free estimates" and "soliciting bids"... then you are a commodity... if your operation is set up to compete as a commodity, then have at it..... but be prepared to keep your margins low and your overhead high...."
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rotflmao!!
well said... I've upped my standards...so up yours
ditto.
I hope you don't quit, I enjoy most of your replys.
Thanks for the positive vote. Sometimes, when the string of negatives are pouring in, I think about life after BT...
blue"...
keep looking for customers who want to hire YOU.. all the rest are looking for commodities.. are you a commodity ?... if you get sucked into "free estimates" and "soliciting bids"... then you are a commodity... if your operation is set up to compete as a commodity, then have at it..... but be prepared to keep your margins low and your overhead high...."
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blue
I need to clarify something. A side effect of my job is that I'm wired by the end of the day. Sorta like being stuck in fast forward if you know what I mean. <g>
Your post came across to me as... "most common error is hitting the "reply" button." I completely missed the >MY< my bad. With that said, I took this as an answer that would apply to all BT'rs and I still think it's worthy of laughing my rocks off ;) In fact it rates up there in the top 3! However my second line of "well said" might have been out of line in regards to implying your posts are a mistake...far from it IMO sorry for any misinterpretation
be living in the fast lane... I've upped my standards...so up yours
Thanks for clarifying....although you really didnt have anything to explain. Actually, I'm more confused than ever because there isn't anyting offensive in any of the above posts. This is just another one of those happy, humorous threads...which we all love.
blue
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keep looking for customers who want to hire YOU.. all the rest are looking for commodities.. are you a commodity ?... if you get sucked into "free estimates" and "soliciting bids"... then you are a commodity... if your operation is set up to compete as a commodity, then have at it..... but be prepared to keep your margins low and your overhead high...."
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Never made a mistake.
Thought I did once, but that was a mistake.
Regards,
Scooter
"I may be drunk, but you're crazy, and I'll be sober tomorrow." WC Fields, "Its a Gift" 1934
Talk about j-boxes ;~`)
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you mean E-Box
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i have a habit of repeating myself
i have a habit of repeating myself
The most commonly mispelled word on BT is 'definitely'.
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be definitly
defanitely
definately
deffinetly
Parolee # 53804
Mentioning anything about mixing cement in a wheelbarrow . . .
....you forgot the rake.[email protected]
Mixing CONCRETE in a wheelbarrow. I could not help myself. Not enough space to list my mistakes.
Edited 4/11/2007 6:54 pm by Hiker
if you mix cement in a wheelbarrow with a pitchfork you are a mortar forker!
And segundo receives the Mr.T oneliner award!
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Parolee # 53804
LOL, Yeah, I've made that mistake too in mirror image
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IdontmakemistakeDontknoowwhatyallaretalkingabout
Okay, ya deserve a least one serious reply. Every so often I read my rule upside down and am off by one inch.
**Bonus for non-yanks** If I used a metric rule I'd be off a lot less.
Being a lefty, I almost always read my tape upside down. I'm used to it, but it can take a while for someone who hasn't been around me to realize that it works just fine. - lol
I too, am a southpaw. I usually don't misread my tape but do it often enough to be cautious about it.
A lefty that used to work for me always blamed that on his tape. Claimed they were made for the right handers.
To the contrary, tapes are one of the few things made to be easier for left-handers.Most right-handers (myself included), find it most natural to hold the tape in their left hand and feed the tape in and out with the right hand, with the numbers reading upside down. This leads to the common error of cutting things an inch to short (12-1/2" is pulled to the 12" mark and the 1/2" is added to the right of the 12" yeilding 11-1/2" erroneously).Fast Cap makes a tape that reads right-side up when fed out to the right.
Now I know why on an entertainment table I was an inch off of a couple of pieces.
I think the most common mistake is hitting the backspace on your keyboard. Does it mater if you waste time spell checking yourself!
Woodnuck
No, you cut an inch too short because you set the tape on the one-inch line to get an accurate measure.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
Most right-handers (myself included), find it most natural to hold the tape in their left hand
FWIW, I think most right handers hold the tape in the right hand - it's much more natural and comfortable, IMHO. Never seen a right hander hold the tape in their left hand.
If you watch people use tapes, the dominant hand is usually controling the action.If a right-hander is feeding out the tape with the left hand, it is often for an "inside measurement", or just to hook the tape on the left end of a board. They tend to use the left just to start the tape and then control the action with the tape in the right hand (really pulling the tape housing rather than feeding out the tape).All things being equal, it is easier to dispense the tape with the dominant hand. This does mean that for measurements where the tape is pulled out of the housing (vs. the housing pulled), that the tape will read upside-down for right-handers.As a trim carpenter, I am often standing in front of my SCMS, working with 16' molding stock. When measuring and marking trim on the saw stand, it is easier to feed the tape out to the end of the work piece than run out to the end of the board to hook the tape on.The house I am trimming right now has about 5000' of casing, base, and crown (nearly a mile of trim. So just moving back and forth from one end of the trim on my saw stand to the other end I will be walking about a mile or two.I mention that to explain that feeding the tape out of the housing, rather than walking to the end of the board to hook the tape on and walking back to pull the tape, can save a lot of steps--literally.It is just a simple fact that it is easier for a right-hander to hold the tape in the left hand and feedout the tape with the dominant hand.
--- It is just a simple fact that it is easier for a right-hander to hold the tape in the left hand and feedout the tape with the dominant hand. ---Not for this right-hander. But I'm not a carpenter, so maybe I do'nt count.Rebeccah
Perhaps with practice, you can be ambidextrous with your tape.As others have noted, it will make writing easier too.
Basswood,
That is exactly how I do it. I throw with my right, bat right handed, ... I also write right handed, so it is tough to hold the tape with my right and write with my right at the same time.
Woodnuck
I am right handed and keep my tape on the left side of my belt.
I usually hold the tape with my right hand and feed or hook the blade with my left hand.
This tape measure conversation is really something that I've never thought of. I'm right handed and I've always held the tape box in my left hand and held a pencil in the right. I can't imagine trying to mark an accurate ^ on a board with my left hand holding the pencil. For those right handers that hold the tape box in your right hand, do you mark your ^ with your left? Seems odd, but then again, I've spent my whole life reading the tape upside down, so what the heck do I know?
<G>
Nope, hold the tape in my left and mark with my right. If I'm not marking but just measuring I have the tape in my right.
But what has bugged me is my occidential nail bags having the tape holder in the right side. I prefer to reach for my tape on the left. I finally ordered a new bab from occidential that has the tape holder on the left and a small pocket that holds my chalk box. Heaven, just where it wants to be.
I generally hold the tape in my mouth and measure with my thumb. (Doesn't look as bad as measuring with the tape while I hold my thumb in my mouth.)
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
If I have to make a mark, then I usually do it with my right hand- tape in the left.
Sometimes I will hold the tape on the right and mark lefty, but not too often. Depends on the situation I am trying to get out of...
Upside down numbers don't bug me.
Upside down numbers don't bug me.
Yup, but anymore having to look over the top of my glasses to read the numbers does.
be it's hell getting older
In the large towns and cities, where civilization especially prevails, the number of those who own a shelter is a very small fraction of the whole. The rest pay an annual tax for this outside garment of all, become indispensable summer and winter, which would buy a village of Indian wigwams, but now helps to keep them poor as long as they live.
Parolee # 53804
Yeah, that's where I have trouble -- Unless the light is good and the vision angle acceptable I can't read the hatchmarks with any accuracy. And holding my arms crossed in front of my face (to hold tape with one and mark with the other) doesn't help much either.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
Rule one.
"don't drink and post"
Rule two.
"Do NOT drink and posts"
Rule fee
:dunno what the pots mean
fii
the entwer key is fum.
oh, and never , ever...forget your name.Parolee # 40835
Are you saying you have made a Breaktimer error and yer wagon is red?
be off
In the large towns and cities, where civilization especially prevails, the number of those who own a shelter is a very small fraction of the whole. The rest pay an annual tax for this outside garment of all, become indispensable summer and winter, which would buy a village of Indian wigwams, but now helps to keep them poor as long as they live.
Parolee # 53804
Ayup. I failed today. I lost 6+ months of sober judgement.
I bought a 6 pack of ale, drank em all in a heartbeat ( fugging with the meds notwithstanding)...I can't do that again.
I volunteered to hit an AA meeting tonite..the wife behind the wheel of course..but be sucking, be sucking, be sucking. be sucking.
Gotta be there at 800..and tell how it is, and how it was...bTDT never stuck.Parolee # 40835
Duane,
I'm holding two medalions in my hands for you.
To thine own self be true they bespeak thou.SamT
Well yeah... I have all the 30 day, 90 day and a year ...My Brass Yr. is a Shakesphere quote emblazoned upon a coin....
( oh crap, I just hurt my brain with that soliloquousism, of Sphere and shakes)
Here it comes Sam, get off the bus. This is our stop.
See: sun.today.Parolee # 40835
"it is easier to feed the tape out to the end of the work piece than run out to the end of the board to hook the tape on."Sums up my thinking pretty much, I use which ever direction is most convenient for where or what I'm cutting. No sense in picking up the stock and turning it around cause I don't wanna read one way or the other.My bads: Typing in " 1/4" to the foot on a question about garage slab slope when I meant 4", and not bothering to proof before i posted or go back and check it.- not proofing my writing all the time
- not reading the threads before replying
- replying to the wrong party in the conversation (when I first came on this thing, I didn't even notice that one could direct to a specific person)
- worrying about what people think that I've never met and who have no impact on my life other than this forum.
> Never seen a right hander hold the tape in their left hand.I do it all the time. The pencil is usually in my right hand. And, yes, sometimes I wind up marking half an inch off or so 'cause the numbers are upside down, just like the guy said.George Patterson, Patterson Handyman Service
PSS-Rhttp://www.fastcap.com/prod2.asp?page=procarp
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter WFR
"But when you're a kibbutzer and have no responsibility to decide the facts and apply the law, you can reach any conclusion you want because it doesn't matter." SHG
Discussing the D-mix. I know it's Blue's favorite subject.
Just seeing the word D-mix makes me laugh.
Thanks for the chuckle.
blue"...
keep looking for customers who want to hire YOU.. all the rest are looking for commodities.. are you a commodity ?... if you get sucked into "free estimates" and "soliciting bids"... then you are a commodity... if your operation is set up to compete as a commodity, then have at it..... but be prepared to keep your margins low and your overhead high...."
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D-mix D-mix D-mix D-mix
D-mix D-mix D-mix D-mix
D-mix D-mix D-mix D-mix
D-mix D-mix D-mix D-mix
D-mix D-mix D-mix D-mixMade you fall off your chair laughing, didn't I?
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Yeah, that D-mix thing was sort of like the old fashioned medicine show barker who blew into town, got everybody all heated up, and then was gone before they saw the flim - flam.Like Starbuck the Rainmaker.
I actually tried the dmix thing once. I might try it again. I'm still clueless about it LOL!
blue"...
keep looking for customers who want to hire YOU.. all the rest are looking for commodities.. are you a commodity ?... if you get sucked into "free estimates" and "soliciting bids"... then you are a commodity... if your operation is set up to compete as a commodity, then have at it..... but be prepared to keep your margins low and your overhead high...."
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I'm clueless about Dmix too.I don't have a clue what it is...
When push comes to shove, somebody's gonna figure out that "push" and "shove" mean the same danged thing.
I thought Dmix was Dino's stuff? ? ?SamT
There are three kinds of people: Predaters, Prey, and Paladins. The really strange thing is that Prey feels safer from Predators by disarming and emasculating Paladins.
Yeah, Dino was the guy extolling the virtues of D-mix (as he called it). It's really just a technique and not something he was selling. he was probably just trying to give something back to a forum that he found valuable. Unfortunately, we don't see him around anymore, but he did spend a lot of time "pushing" the products that he did have for sale.
I do a lot of drywall repairs so I was interested in his techniques. It's really nothing more than adding paint and plaster of paris to joint compound in the right ratios (which no one seems to know). It makes a smooth, rollerable mix which dries from the outside and cures from the inside at about the same rate thus remaining workable a little longer than either POP of JC by themselves.
It does work to a degree, but I use a lot of setting compound and rarely do texture finishing where D-mix might be more useful. Setting compound seems to behave something like D-mix in that it remains pretty workable until it starts to set up.
And while I'm at it, I'll share another technique that I used only once, but it worked well: I mixed plaster patch with setting compound about 50/50. It make a compound that was almost as easy to work as compound and cured almost as hard as plaster. Sort of the best/worst of each.
Back on topic: I tend to go off topic. Did someone already say that? Okay then, I tend to repeat what others have already said. Somebody probably already said that too, which makes it a recursive error.
-Don
IIRC Dmix=5gal JC+1`gal PVA +1small dunkin donuts cup(10oz) of POP use 3/4 lamb roller first soaked in water
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter WFR
"But when you're a kibbutzer and have no responsibility to decide the facts and apply the law, you can reach any conclusion you want because it doesn't matter." SHG
But where do I get a 6 gal. 10 oz. bucket to mix it?Wait, I know of some guys with an almost new wheel barrow I might could borrow.But mix it with a rake so nobody calls me a hoer.-----My biggest mistake is hitting reply, followed closely by thinking I can be funny.
I don't think it's 5 full gallons of JC. It was more like 3, with 1 gal prime, and 1 c. pop.Been skimming walls and plastering since '78 and I have my own "Jer-mix" that I think only I can work with. Maybe that's why I'm so cantankerous about this D-mix stuff. It's territorial and very ancient.
So... how about starting a new thread on Jer-mix? I'd love to hear more about it, even if it might take me another 29 years to learn how to use it.
-Don
OK. First you get a cup of coffee at Krispy Kreme..._______________________________________________________________
I been wanting to procrastinate, but I keep putting it off
Why are men watching other men use thier tape measures, it just sounds like you drank to much Dmix!
Does that include krispy kreme donuts for the texture part?
nailerman
Yes, it is Dino's stuff and as much as he trys to explain what it is, it's still a secret.
blue"...
keep looking for customers who want to hire YOU.. all the rest are looking for commodities.. are you a commodity ?... if you get sucked into "free estimates" and "soliciting bids"... then you are a commodity... if your operation is set up to compete as a commodity, then have at it..... but be prepared to keep your margins low and your overhead high...."
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>>> I might try it again.
make sure you use the right size coffee cup for your POP measurement.
Was that a tall, or a grande?
blue"...
keep looking for customers who want to hire YOU.. all the rest are looking for commodities.. are you a commodity ?... if you get sucked into "free estimates" and "soliciting bids"... then you are a commodity... if your operation is set up to compete as a commodity, then have at it..... but be prepared to keep your margins low and your overhead high...."
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"...sometimes I wind up marking half an inch off or so 'cause the numbers are upside down, just like the guy said."Gawd, I'm glad to know some other guys make that boneheaded error too! It most often happens to me when I don't have another piece of sufficient length to replace it.The other bonehead goof I occaionally make is cutting a miter the wrong direction; then it's an inch too short with the heal of the miter on the wrong side.
BruceT
Some weeks I feel like I chop at least a board a day an inch too short.
It's always something expensive and hard to replace, cut down to a length that I have no use for. Someday I'll get better, right?zak
"When we build, let us think that we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone." --John Ruskin
"so it goes"
>>> I chop at least a board a day an inch too short.
Get yourself a board stretcher. An inch on a long board is easy to correct with such a tool. Available at most big box stores (as the guy in the orange apron).
Taking time to read a 300 post thread and Knowing less at the end than when I started.
There's a few old guys with no sense of humor out there, isn't there?
"There's a few old guys with no sense of humor out there, isn't there?"I couldn't agree more. Not knowing how to lighten up is a problem for some.
And just what the bloody hell is that supposed to mean??
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
Are you the D-mix guy in New Jersey? I'm sorry if I came on too strong, I'm sure what you have works for you and some others. I will E-mail you with further stuff as to why I posted what I did.
Boy you're just getting in deeper, accusing me of being from New Jersey. Keep going -- I'll clean your ##### clock!
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
Yeah, I think it may be time to zip the lip and just listen. Sometimes I can let go with some real doozers that I have no idea where they came from. Lost a love relationship that way once. I think it may be my Vulcan roots.
Hey, lighten up! New Jersey is a great place to be from! Looks beautiful in the rear view mirror.George Patterson
Dunno -- I've seen it in my rear-view mirror and it still ain't pretty.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
I could not find Andy E's name in the "To:" menu, but this is meant for him (and others)
My opinion as to the most common error made by breaktimers?
"wrestling with the pig and/or trying to teach it to sing"
CAN I GET AN AMEN! ?
I've developed the habit of marking the end of my miter, then making a light mark showing the angle. Nothing fancy, just a quick mark showing the general direction of the miter.
I was helping a friend case some doors a few months ago and he told me that this job was the first time he had ever done it without miscutting at least one piece of casing. - lol
You write with your off hand?SamT
There are three kinds of people: Predaters, Prey, and Paladins. The really strange thing is that Prey feels safer from Predators by disarming and emasculating Paladins.
That's what I was thinking. I am a right-y and I hold the tape in my LH and mark with my right - Hence the numbers are usually upside down unless I mark "cross armed"
Time for a thread on tape handling
You write with your off hand?
No. Now that you mention it, it's kind of weird - never really thought about it. I do hold the tape in the right hand, mark with the left, but if I need to write or make a bigger mark, I set down the tape and use my right hand.
Doesn't sound very efficient, does it?
I'm a left hander who holds tape right handed...
What I would like to find is a tape with the numbers on the bottom, so that I can measure stuff on ceilings.George Patterson, Patterson Handyman Service
I don't get the tape measure thing. I don't always measure from the same end of the board so sometimes it is upside down and sometimes it isn't.
"I don't get the tape measure thing. I don't always measure from the same end of the board so sometimes it is upside down and sometimes it isn't."It's a convienent excuse. Kind of like saying that you have a left handed hammer.
I see your 5 year anniversary is coming up next week.
So are plumb bobs! ;-)
Got married. May not be my most common mistake, but certainly my biggest one!
(You get some stamps in dark chocolate, we'll talk.)
Opening Break Time on the computer.
Not picking up that .17 / ft walnut flooring before Frenchy cornered the market :)
Edited 4/11/2007 5:53 pm ET by FatRoman
Well, this is a good thread.
I'll tell you one error that Breaktimers don't make, and that is to go into a hissy-fit when a DIYer posts a q here.
I populate the forums at other sites (HeatingHelp, Woodweb, Greenbuilding's ICF place, True32, and others) and rarely see posts like that, but there is a site where it happens frequently. And it sounds so bush-league, it's plain silly.
"I'll tell you one error that Breaktimers don't make, and that is to go into a hissy-fit when a DIYer posts a q here." Yeah, that's true. I think it used to more that way. There is a whole lot less flaming here now than there was 5 years ago. It helps to be able to remember a time when you knew a lot less than you thought you did.
Can't you tell us the name?
OK, I haven't looked at this thread since early on, but I now see that the most common mistake in this thread is talking about how you measure & mark and hold your tape measure. I mean really, do you care how anybody does this? I made the mistake once of buying a tape that had 1/32" graduations. Didn't buy it because of the graduations, but becuse it was cheap. Used it for about an hour; it's been an emergency backup ever since. It basically forces me to buy a new tape as soon as there is any hint that the old one might be going bad.
Pictures too friggen large!
Mike
Oh good!
A true confessions thread.
one error I make most days is getting out of bed
Then there are days I forget something
I've been told my typos are legendary but I want to make it clear right now that only 99.98% of them are really errors.
The rest are plain old mistakes
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Coming here in the first place.
Coming back after that.
Replying first thing in the morning often gets me in trouble. Replying in general is often a bad idea for me, come to think about it.
The other one I make sometimes is being too honest in reporting in on what's going on on my jobs. And then the guys who always have perfect customers, perfect weather, perfect drawings, perfect subs, and perfect employees jump on the pile to let me know that it's always my fault... regardless of the circumstances. I guess I should just stick to talking about the good days.
And sometimes I sneeze with a mouthful of tobacco.
...sneeze with a mouthful of tobacco
Now that's funny right there!
Parolee # 53804
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This sneeze - is it thru your nose?
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Parolee # 53804
That's happened before too. Although that particular scenario is far more of a problem for me than it is for anyone else in my vicinity. Makes my eyes water for about 36 hours.View Image
Mentioning the word Architect or Engineer in a post and not starting a war... =)Ed
And sometimes I sneeze with a mouthful of tobacco.
God bless you![email protected]
Probably using ALL CAPS (at least for one or two posts until someone tells them to quit yelling). Closely followed by lack of punctuation
The breaking of huge paragraphs into small manageable pieces is a problem for some too.
Edit: Forgot to mention that the search button doesn't get used as often as it should.
Edited 4/12/2007 1:01 am by boiler7904
Hey Boss,
I've read all 46 posts and mostly it's been good natured replies, but not alot of serious answers to your question. I made a big mistake once here asking Piffin to track a thread by describing it's content and you, Boss, got on me about it. Said the least I could do was post a link to the thread so he wouldn't have to search for it. I didn't even know that was possible, so through trial and error I learned how to do it and am glad you did what you did. Never stop learning. :)
Kevin
I dno't know if you're patting me on the back or bitching at me.(-:But I intended this thread to be in fun - Not at all serious.
The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency. [Eugene McCarthy]
Not bitching at all, appreciated the constructive criticism.
Allowing our candor to sally forth.
Not reading the thread completely and replying. I have done that.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Don't make mistakes?
You know what they did to the last perfect carpenter don't you?
“When politicians and journalists declare that the science of global warming is settled, they show a regrettable ignorance about how science works.” Nigel Calder, editor of New Scientist
This is probably pretty common...
Was a working super for a company doing home remodels. We were doing a big job for a lady lawyer and her husband, and they kept adding stuff on almost a daily basis. 10 change orders a week.(We don't like the old gate, can you make one that will match the siding on the garage? OK, they don't make that kind of plywood anymore, we'll have to mill it, can you fix all the sticky doors and replace the hardware? etc.)The business manager put up with it as he was dating a friend of the lawyers. We were finally at the tail end of the job.
On Thursday the lady told me she'd like new outlets in the kitchen, because she didn't like the old ivory color ones. They were going out of town for a long weekend. I got white ones to install myself, because I didn't want to drag the electrician out there for 4 outlets.
On Friday afternoon,I pulled the old outlets. Then I noticed a note on the counter that said she wanted the "Decora" type. It was 4:30 by then, and, oh well, I'll get it on Monday, and left the circuit turned off.
When they got back on Monday, all the fancy food in their refrigerator was ruined! Doh! At that point I "found" another job before they could can me.
That's my worst mistake.
Edited 4/12/2007 12:42 pm by Jencar
using the "search" feature...
but now I know what size pipes I need.
Mentioning screws to be used instead of nails?
ah,... giving women the right to vote?
In the savage state every family owns a shelter as good as the best, and sufficient for its coarser and simpler wants; but I think that I speak within bounds when I say that, though the birds of the air have their nests, and the foxes their holes, and the savages their wigwams, in modern civilized society not more than one half the families own a shelter.
Parolee # 53804
I think a lot of folks would say the problem was giving MEN the right to vote.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
uhoh, I inadvertently used the word 'vote' in a BT post. Hope that doesn't end up putting this pleasent thread off into polijive hell.
So there it is, another one of the 'Most Common Errors Made by Breaktimers' is changing a good thread to bad.
be bad to the bone
In the large towns and cities, where civilization especially prevails, the number of those who own a shelter is a very small fraction of the whole. The rest pay an annual tax for this outside garment of all, become indispensable summer and winter, which would buy a village of Indian wigwams, but now helps to keep them poor as long as they live.
Parolee # 53804
Edited 5/1/2007 12:51 pm ET by rez
"giving women the right to vote?"
OUCH.
You're really wanting to get your butt kicked, aren't you ???
(-:
But this thread is for mistakes made by BTers. That was done back before Al Gore invented the internet.
I'd rather vote for what I want and not get it, than vote for something I don't want and get it. [Eugene V. Debs]