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Mudsill size

hqian | Posted in Construction Techniques on August 10, 2007 10:50am

In New Hampshire and Massachusetts, most concrete foundation walls are about 8″ or 10″ thick and mudsill used on the wall is usually in 2×6 size.  The weight load on the wall is then only on 1/2 to 2/3 side the wall.  Why don’t we use 2×8 or 2×10 to evenly distribute the weight on total top surface of the wall?

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  1. DanH | Aug 11, 2007 12:00am | #1

    Why should you? Concrete distributes weight far better than wood.

    So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
  2. Stilletto | Aug 11, 2007 12:38am | #2

    4-5" of bearing is plenty for any floor joist.  Joist hangers only have 1-1/2-2". 

     

    Matt

    1. GOLDENBOY | Aug 11, 2007 01:39am | #3

      Why don't we use 2x4 and save a few bucks on lumber? 

      1. Stilletto | Aug 11, 2007 01:59am | #4

        Trying to get foundation subs to hit a 2x4 right on here is a small miracle. 

        That would also put the J-bolts really close to the edge of the poured wall.  Possible cracking in the future. 

        Matt

        1. hqian | Aug 12, 2007 04:47am | #6

          Good explanation why we want to use 2x6 instead of 2x4, thank you.  But I still feel that a house sits on the foundation walls only partially through 2x6 mudsill.  It's like I sit on a chair but only sit on part of the chair.

          1. DanH | Aug 12, 2007 06:01am | #8

            Think of it this way: It would make more sense to use a concrete piece to bear the weight -- it's a lot stiffer than wood and will spread the weight out over a wider area. Then consider that the top few inches of the foundation are indeed that concrete piece -- the mudsill just provides a convenient way to attach the framing.
            So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin

  3. Frankd479 | Aug 11, 2007 02:06am | #5

    I agree, if a concrete block is 7 1/2" wide, why wouldn't you use a 2x8 that fits perfect over the block? Looks better too over a 2x6 . Use the 2x8,no inspector in their right mind would fail the work.

    1. paulandre | Aug 12, 2007 04:59am | #7

      7.5 concrete blocks?

      1. JTC1 | Aug 18, 2007 04:12am | #15

        Uhhh, yeah.

        Don't know about CA, but in DE if I ask at the yard for 8" block it will actually measure 7-1/2" to 7-5/8" depending on which manufacturer.

        Mortar joint takes it to 8" gain in hieght. Nobody sweats the width so 7-1/2" or so with no parging added.

        Jim

        Never underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.

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    dieselpig | Aug 14, 2007 12:46am | #9

    No need to reinvent the wheel brother.  If all these 10" pours with 2x6 sills start crumbling then we'll revisit it at that time.  But I ain't holding my breath.

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    1. hqian | Aug 14, 2007 07:27am | #10

      You have a nice philosophy there :-)

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    JFink | Aug 17, 2007 05:56pm | #11

    Hey Joe,

    Heard you were dealing with R yesterday...can you post something to me so we can doublecheck that everything is in order now? Thanks, sorry for the trouble.

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    1. Framer | Aug 17, 2007 06:03pm | #12

      Can you read this?Joe Carola

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        JFink | Aug 17, 2007 07:41pm | #13

        Yup, everything is back to normal. Thanks for your patience while I was out of the office.Justin Fink - FHB Editorial

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        1. Framer | Aug 18, 2007 12:06am | #14

          Thank You, Justin.Joe Carola

      2. Stilletto | Sep 03, 2007 03:23pm | #16

        Is this the thread you emailed about?  Alot of replies/posts got deleted.  I didn't get anything on my end.  Sorry for getting to this so late. 

        Matt

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