Here’s what my apprentice did today. Senco 10d from 12″ range. He’s in surgery this afternoon because it stuck in one of the wrist bones.
Let’s be careful out there.
Mike
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Hope he doesn't get a Jesus complex now.
The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
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I see an immediate urine sample was taken.........
Joe H
ouch!
Hmmm. I see that you drove twenty miles away from the hospital to pick up the digital camera from home. What the heck he's young, tough and expendable. ;)
Cool shot. Was well worth tweaking the gun so it misfired. Dropping the pressure was pure evil genius. I won't breath a word. If he found out you would have to kill him. ;)
Don't shoot the piano player.
Let's be safe out there. Construction is hard enough without having to take take job site pain home on unpaid time.
I NEVER leave home without the digi-cam, you never know what you'll see.
The "urine sample" was out of the Gatorade jug, the cold pack in our first aid box was broken.
Doc says he tore some cartilage, so he'll be spending the night in the hospital.
Just a reminder, Keep your work-comp paid up.
Mike
Good thing it missed the vessels. You were smart to leave it in until the hospital removed it. Nice picture.
"You were smart to leave it in until the hospital removed it."
Medical reasons aside - I've found you get much better service at the hospital if you leave the nail in.
Pull the nail out yourself, and you go into the ER as a typical puncture wound.
Leave the nail sticking out and you're more of a novelty. You'll get more attention and faster service.Hillary said that when she first set eyes on Bill Clinton back in college he had a beard and he reminded her of a Viking, which is perfect because she reminded him of Iceland. ... Like a Viking, he is still out conquering and exploring virgin territory. [Jay Leno]
Medical reasons aside - I've found you get much better service at the hospital if you leave the nail in.
While I think that's an absolutley brilliant observation ....
I'm sitting here wondering about the testing procedures you undertook to come to such a conclusion!
not that I'm not gonna steat the idea ... as I hate waiting in line ... for anything .. anywhere.
Next time I may or may not need a visit to the ER ... I just might have to stick a 16d outta my forearm to draw their attention.
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
I went to the er once years back ....
I had knealt down on a piece of glass ... got a gusher on my knee ...
it was still bleeding later that night ... figured it was time to go get sewn up ...
we pick the most suburban hospital I can think of ... as this isn't exactly a gun shot wound ... and city hospitals are hard to get noticed in ...
walk in .. great .. the place is empty. Check in ... nurse said it'll be about 20 min ...and sit down....
it's the middle of summer ... nice warm... dry .. night.
Thru the ER doors come streaming in a bus load of old people .... all wet ... all covered and wrapped in blankets ... all on deaths door step ...
I have no idea what could have brougt them all there ... had to be 30 victims ...
fire with misaimed firehouses? Tour bus driven into the river??
so after they're all taken into the back ... I go back to the registration desk.
Get the nurses attention .. ask nicely ...
"Uh ... they're all probably gonna go ahead of me, huh?"
she looks at me like I'm nuts ...
I look at the clock ... got in there at 9pm ... it's now 11 ...
I say to the nurse ... "I'm guessing the earliest I'll get back there is like .... 3am?"
again the same look ... "Yeah ... it's going to be a while now..."
she thinks I'm complaining ... while I'm just doing a little fact checking.
I say ... "OK .. thought so ... just cross me off the list" ...
she looks at me again .. then at the blood still running down my leg ...
and I call over to the wife and tell her "Don't know about U .. but I'm leaving".
We stopped at the all night pharmacy ... I got supplies ...
by the next morning ... I clotted.
I hate to wait in line.
Jeff
Buck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
The only thing I have that's comparable is a fishing story. I had some friends out for a weekend of fishing for bluefish. In Cape Cod Bay you have to watch the time and tides if you want to get back into port. They were into a competition to see who could catch more bluefish. I was counting down the last five minutes when one guy hooked his 10th blue and was tied for the lead. He wanted me to get it off fast so he could get one more before the gun sounded. Anyway, as I was trying to get the hook out of a 5 lb blue when cided to flop around some more and I got a treble hook burried deep into my finger. Here I was with a nasty fish flopping around with my finger attached. I managed to cu the hook that was in the fish's mounth with my pliers and then drove the boat into port with an Atom Popper attached to my finger. Next was a trip to the hospital where I sat in the emergency room waiting area with a large fishing lure attached to my finger. Got a lot of attention. The hook went thru a tendon in my finger and I can still feel it five years later..."When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." ~ Henny Youngman
OHH! HERE WE GO!
Back in the eighties I sliced my leg open with a buck knife cutting tape off some cable we were pulling. Nice little three inch gash, we were out in the woods in Virginia quite a little ride from the hospital, and really really had to get done. So my brother dared me to go Rambo on it and sew it up. So that's what I did on my lunch break. It impressed the heII out of the other guys and put another notch on my legend stick.
About a month ago I aquired a nasty little gash on my eyebrow and had to go to the ER for stitches. The other guys were squimish and I couldn't do it in the truck mirror by myself. So I bowed down and drove myself to the ER. The doc that was sewing me up started bragging about practicing on himself in med school. He said the shot was the hardest. I popped off with. "I never use shots when I do my own." He clammed up and wouldn't talk to me again. That night I went back to work (to everyones surprise) and finished up my shift. That was a twenty some hour day. Sometimes it sucks to be tough don't it?Who Dares Wins.
Apprentice I worked with once stood on a 3" nail that for some weird reason was stanting point up on the concrete all by itself. He jumped off a saw horse and got it in the sole of his foot and out the top.
He got the fella he was working with to pull it out with his nail nippers, then went back to work. Tough lil ba$tid.
Everything, 100% of it, depends on how you look at it.
DW
I worked with a guy from Penn. one time. His dad worked on an oil rig back in the woods there somewhere. He dropped something on his feet and broke every toe on both feet. This was in the middle of Winter. He went over to a creek and soaked both his feet in the icey water then went back to work. I guess the arthiritis is pretty bad now.Who Dares Wins.
Yowch.
I dont care how tough ya are, THAT would hurt.
For 20 minutes when I smooshed my finger I was in another world, that was bad enough.
Everything, 100% of it, depends on how you look at it.
DW
I never stitched myself ...
but had occasion to stich a buddy a coupla times ....
he had ... uh ... issues?
outlaw biker tring to turn his life around .... guess that sorta thing takes time, huh?
anyways ... for some reason ... he knew I'd do it. Did bother me one bit ... not my skin? btw ... I do pretty nice work ... been a coupla years now ... so I'm probably out of practice.
Years later ... I heard he took a long walk off the Grand Canyon ... watch yerself on steel hills ....
Jeff
Buck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
If we hook up at the JLC live show in Columbus we'll have to compare techniques.Who Dares Wins.
when is that again?
I actually called Doug a coupla months ago to see if I was still sleeping on his couch that weekend ... he said ... "Sure ... why?"
First time in my life I wasn't late for something ... just a coupla months ahead.
I'll probably remember it the very first weekend after it happens .....
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
Sept. 15-17th be there or be square.Who Dares Wins.
gee, kinda makes my story about having a tooth drilled and filled with no meds of any kind seem a little tame...
m
Ah, you're all a bunch of wimps... {G}
Woman gives herself a Caesarean
Regards,
Tim Ruttan
I never stitched myself ...
Big deal, been on plenty of hockey or box lacrosse benches being' stitched up.
but had occasion to stich a buddy a coupla times .
Okay yer tougher than me..............lol
"Relief at last. Is there any better feeling?"
how 'bout fiiiiiiinnnnnnnaaaaaaalllllyy getting rid of that zit in/on your nose after a week or so?
m
I read a book some years ago and could probably dig up the title. The guy was a belgian who took an administrator job in congo while it was under colonial rule. He had several harrowing tales, and good pictures of the different stuff.
One was during a famine he was dynamite-fishing a lake from a canoe. He had two Africans helping him. One stick had a short fuse and it blew up in his hand, taking his arm off up past his elbow. He went into the water, infested with crocs or alligators. The two Africans were gone when he came to and he was in the water, they thought he was dead and were afraid of being blamed. He said when you're in alligator-infested water you have to doggy paddle because if you swim they can get their jaws on you, but the were nipping him.
When he got to the shore he had to drive the manual truck in reverse like a mile to get out from where they had pulled down. The dynamite injured his leg as well. From there it was like ten miles on backroads to the Hospital.
Another story he had pictures of was hunting tigers. One jumped on his lead man's back. This guy was big and burly and wrestled the animal off of the man's back. He said all the strength in a big cat is the arms / legs parallel to the animal's body, he wrapped his arms and legs around the cat's and splayed them out. He said they have no strength to pull their arms/legs back in when like that. Except that his knife was in his belt, and he held the animal for some period of time trying to figure out how to let go of its arm and get his knife. He killed it after it mauled him.
He ended up becoming a lion tamer and was killed by one of his animals.
remodeler
That's one tough hombre. I'd like to check that book out if you come up with a title let me know.Who Dares Wins.
I think you need to invest in some super glue. I have had a couple of run - ins with a utility knife, piece of galv flashing and after i irrigated the wound with peroxide i was able to pinch the laceration together and dribble a few drops of super glue on it.
Amazing how well it works. Although the deeper cuts seem to heal quickly on the outside while staying tender down deep.
preaching to the choir my friend ...
I'm well known around this site for glueing myself and others back together!
btw ... construction adhesive is for deeper puncture wounds ...
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Been a bit since I bragged about my JLC pic -
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Forrest - enjoying a Friday night libation
Edited 10/12/2007 8:06 pm by McDesign
What the hey happened there?
I jumped off a falling ladder - like just four feet! Broke my arm some.
Forrest
Uber hair removal gone amuck.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"If you want something you've never had, do something you've never done"
So, your Erector Set didn't come with the motor, right?
"I cut this piece four times and it's still too short."
JB,
I did not realize it was a 3 yr old thread until after I sent.
It is scary some of the situations we get into when we dont have time for stitches or real medical attention.
The first time I used super glue was on the loose knuckle skin between my pinky and ring finger on my right hand. I was using a piece of sheet metal to protect carpet as I was painting baseboard (Dont ask about the sequence of that fiasco) and I drug my hand across the sheet metal on a brushstroke and .... yeeeeow!
Because of the location of the cut I could actually see into the knuckle joint. Sent my helper down the road for a bottle of peroxide and whatever else he could get his hands on. I was amazed how well I clotted, taped it up tight and glued it shut when I got home.
Little Italy, Been there done that . And ended up having to visit the Docs two days later with an infection, then after they cleaned it and closed it again I was back in 3 days with blood poisoning (or perhaps lymph system poisoning) . Nice blue/black tracks running up my arm to the arm pit. Lost use of the arm for about a week and was on antibiotics for several weeks. Not Fun! Be careful of deep cuts on the knuckles that you can actually see bone or deep tissue.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
OK ... back to my official medical training ...
confirmed by ER Doc customer years back ...
infection starts between 24 and 48 hrs after the gash.
nothing in the first 24 means nothing ...
but after 48 ... if yer clear ... yer clear.
and for something as deep as his knuckle ... that's why I'd use const adhesive.
That burning feeling ... that's all them germs dying!
have a small puncture wound on my shin at the moment I'm keeping an eye on ... dirty demo ... decided to drive my shin into a broken piece of lath ... so far ... no red lines on the leg.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
"I'm sitting here wondering about the testing procedures you undertook to come to such a conclusion!"
I've had the pleasure of taking several guys to the ER with nail wounds. So it's my observation based on experience.Little Miss Muffet sat on her tuffet, and what a big tuffet she had. So if you're feeling insecure, just stand next to her, then you won't feel quite so bad.
Boss, I beg to differ, the absolute best ER service is obtained by actively bleeding onto their floor.
Blood on clothes is just a novelty, bleeding on the floor makes a mess that they will have to clean up - bio-hazard and all of that. :-O
Jim
Never underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.
Edit: Jeff Bucks' knee story has extenuating circumstances which makes his bleeding story very unusual.
Edited 10/11/2007 4:27 pm ET by JTC1
what'sa matter?
ain't ya got no hacksaw or pliers on site?
Jeff
Buck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
>ain't ya got no hacksaw or pliers on site?
I second Jeff. Young guys on job sites whine too much.
16d through the arm last year. clean in, clean out. Didn't hurt till the 2nd day after.
but damn I've got arthritis at 34 y.o.
remodeler
but damn I've got arthritis at 34 y.o.
Get used to it, the rest of us have! :)
Hey remodelerdw,
Get your Doctor to hook you up with some Bextra arthritis medicine.
I've been in pain for years with arthritis in knees and hands and one month ago I went to the sports Doctor who does the Chicago Bears football team and he started me on this drug. I feel a decade younger now with almost no pain at all.
Well worth it.
Cork, no longer hurting in Chicago
>but damn I've got arthritis at 34 y.o<
Yea, quit whining, will ya? ;^}
Mike,
Come on, that pic is a fake, where is the blood? LOL.
Jon
of course its a fake - just look at the shadows.
Jony
You know that you should be a P.I don't you?
Look at all you've revealed here at BT....Honestly.......you do rock bro
Be Magnum P.I
aThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
http://CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
"You know that you should be a P.I don't you?"
Yeah OK.
Honestly, I think the pic is real, and a good reminder of how dangerous the tools we use can hurt and maim. A close co-worker lost his right thumb and index finger to a shell mill one day. Talk about a mess.
....So who's going to clean up the machine??? eeiche
Jon
whatsa shell mill?
EricEvery once in a while, something goes right!
Firebird,
This, ~4" in diameter, used for metal cutting.
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Jon
1970, I was working in a machine shop, mainly sweeping up the place. One day while I was while pushing the broom, I heard a scream. Seems a new guy had tied his long hair into a ponytail, but as he was stooped over a drill press, the hair swung back in front and the chuck caught it. I saw the head snap back after the scalp tore loose. He fainted and was lying in a pool of blood when they took him away. Fist size clump of hair still wrapped around the chuck. Thank God the boss didn't ask me to clean it up. The guy came back a few weeks later, hair much shorter and under a hat.
I never met a tool I didn't like!
"Senco 10d from 12" range."
So...how did the gun fire from 12" out? Is it yours? I would be real careful loaning modyfied tools to anyone.
My table saw has no gaurd. Freind came over to use it and despite he's claim of being an expert once he reached behind the blade I finished the job for him and sent him on his way.
Lucky...???
W
Call Mel Gibson! Need more blood!
The same thing happened to a sub of mine last August. How he shot himself in the left wrist when he was nailing a header together is beyond me.Cost my insurance company $14,000, I asked how I could be considered responsible for such an accident they said that the judges are so Liberal that it is just easier to pay.
" judges are so Liberal that it is just easier to pay."
Well I don't know if "liberal" is the proper term but insurance companies don't fight a lot of that sort of thing it seems.
Freind owns a bike shop, customer wants one of those old fashioned foam "banana helmets" like from "Breaking Away" ( greta movie!) Owner says no, not safe, customer whines and complains and owner caves in a orders one for them. They crash bike and suffer head injury and sue store for selling the hemet/hat. Insurance co. pays $500,000 without a fight!
All our insurance rates go up.
W
I've never sewn my hand back on or anything like that, but these stories of extreme manliness made me think about the splinters we get that just won't come out...
you know, the ones that will only come out after you've let it fester for a week. Then the pus acts as a lubricant and you can just give it a good squeeze. Relief at last. Is there any better feeling?
my understanding is that under labor laws, there is no defense an insurance company can take if a sub is injured on a job and goes after the gc. better check your policy to see if it covers injury. some don't."it aint the work I mind,
It's the feeling of falling further behind."Bozini Latinihttp://www.ingrainedwoodworking.com
If you are talking about a worker's comp claim then you are responsible because he is your employee, period.
In general worker's comp is a no-fault insurance. If he was hurt on the job then worker's comp pays.
Does not need to faulting equipment, lack of training, or any fault of yours.
bump
be worth the mileage
If he just wanted to take a break, couldn't he have just said so?
Ouch that hurts!
My DH wears the pants in the family. But I control the zipper!
Looking through some old photo's last night I unexpectedly came across this photo of my foot with a nail in it pretty solid. The black around the head is the remains of my converse hightops and the white is my nice white sock, No blood, not much pain. (until a few days later when I got water on it in the shower just as the Percocet was wearing off)
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"You cannot work hard enough to make up for a sloppy estimate."
If it were me, man, i'd get that thing removed.
Got it in a jar in the bedside table. Why??? Don't know, never could stand to throw the thing away.------------------
"You cannot work hard enough to make up for a sloppy estimate."
My Brit husband carried around with him in a specimen jar a piece of jatoba about an inch long and 1/4" in cross section that he'd had taken out of his thigh in Australia years before after a kickback accident. It seemed the natural thing to take cremains and the sliver back to the family plot in England, leave them there to go back to the earth together. That was one well-traveled stick!
Yet one more definition for toe nail.