Any thoughts on using staples to fasten red cedar shingles vs. using ring shank coil nails?
Been using Nails for years but just met up with a sub who swears by the staples.
Also any thoghts on Galvinized versus stainless fastners on red cedar shingles that will stay natural when nailing above the weather line?
Thanks,
Jay
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Ive seen some real messes with the staples.
If wind is an issue I would say no deal.
Production guys like them because they are fast and cheap, and the guns are light.
-zen
Did several cedar exteriors as a trim sub to a contractor who wanted to try using divergent point staples, meaning the "chisel" points on the legs of the staples are cut in opposite directions. As they enter the material, one leg goes north and one goes south, so to speak. You cannot pull them out. I suppose there's still a chance that the cedar could pull off of the staple, making nail heads more secure, but it hasn't happened on these homes.
Personally, I would stick with hand driving ring shanks, unless you could show me a gun nail that has that nice little head, and a dull fuinish, and will set just flush.
Bruce
Between the mountains and the desert ...
Sure, theoretically nails may be "better", but only in the same way a 2 x 10 header is "stronger" than a 2 x 6 header when installed over a 2' wide window in a non load bearing wall. A couple of years ago I did my first shingle siding job on my own house. I already had a narrow crown stapler and I was curious about the same question, so I nailed some shingles using both hand driven nails and galv. narrow crown staples into some 1/2" ply. Using either method I destroyed the shingle trying to pry them off, and after clearing away the scraps of wood left stuck around the fasteners, each seemed to require the same amount of effort to remove with a small cats paw.So I went with the staples (1 1/4" galv., prestained white cedar fastened above the overlap, 5 1/2" exp.) Every so often I had to remove a shingle or two due to a screw up, and the difficulty of this excercise removed any doubts I might have had about the holding power of staples.
I always use stainless in exposed situations, galvanized can stain the shingles. I have used both staples and ring shanks, I don't think there is much difference between the two. I use my Bostich fence/siding nailer usually, set to flush or just proud. It's cake to finish off with a finish hammer if the nail is protruding slightly. My .02.
I agree w/ stainless to prevent staining, but can you get them with a dull gray finish? I hate that little shiny spot.Bruce
Between the mountains and the desert ...
what model is that bostitch fence/siding nailer you mention? I think I want one of these...
Thanks,
Pat
Bostich N66C-1 Siding and Fencing Nailer
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0006FKI5G/sr=1-2/qid=1133554755/ref=sr_1_2/002-6475005-0451252?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance
Hitachi NV65AH Siding Nailer
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000225JZ/sr=1-1/qid=1133554755/ref=sr_1_1/002-6475005-0451252?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance
I haven't tried the Bostich, but really love my Hitachi.
Greg
The older I get, the better I was....
Yep, that's the one. Those coils do alot of shingles, too, before needing a reload. The tip is adjustable so you don't have to fiddle around with the air pressure. Don't ask me how I know this, but if you forget to turn the compressor back on, it'll shoot consistently till the pressure drops to a point that the gun just won't fire.
I have the Hitachi.... uh... somebody... yeah ... somebody told me that it will run without a compressor too.
Don't remember who, any more... The older I get, the better I was....
Thank you Greg.
"uh... somebody... yeah ... somebody told me that it will run without a compressor too.
Don't remember who, any more...
The older I get, the better I was...."
You must have "CRS." New discovery in neurological disorders...
"Cant remember ####."
Cheers,
Pat
Another vote for the green gun...
I am confused though.....why will the nails be visible? Mine were always tucked up under the next course.
is it a situation where the exposure is greater than the appropriate nailing "span", and the nails have to be visible? All the ones I have used have been "bright", but some have had a waffle head, which dullls them.
And I am another stainless only user.Jake Gulick
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CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
How do you get a course under the window sill?
Pat -
To be honest, I've had CRS for longer than I can remember.
Then again, I probably needed to forget some of it.
The older I get, the better I was....
So you have "early onset" CRS...
I have this too, at 35 yrs of age..
;-)
Cheers,
pat
What everyone else said but: you can use galvie nails. You can use dbl dipped ring shank. Stainless steel as has already been said is for exposed nails and the dbl dipped galvies are for nails that are covered by the proceeding courses.
I found the MAX nail gun awesome!! I did the entire wood roof and walls with them . I ended up buying three of those guns for this house. One for each one of my guys to use. I'll be selling one soon if youre interested. I have no need for three anymore and I only used it on this house.
Be gettin nailed!!
andy
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